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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 5:07 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Jose_Reyes:

    ok, thanks kap.  just bored at work


    watch "loose cents"

    how can a fire from 120th floor affect the whole building.... obviously there were explosives in the garage and every 20th floor in order for it to collapse. 


    RIP to the innocent lives that were taken that day.  horrible. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose_Reyes:

    ok, thanks kap.  just bored at work


    watch "loose cents"

    how can a fire from 120th floor affect the whole building.... obviously there were explosives in the garage and every 20th floor in order for it to collapse. 


    RIP to the innocent lives that were taken that day.  horrible. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 5:11 PM ET #27

    Who the hell knows, I dont know..but I do believe some of what I read and saw regarding the other buildings going down soon after without being initially effected.

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    Go the WTC section of the link I posted.  It's all explained there.  It makes 100% perfect sense.  The stuff you hear from the CT's is selective "reporting" and only reporting things that support their claims.  They leave out the stuff that provides the whole explanation.  And they don't have any hard evidence....it's all what people thought they heard and thought they saw.  None of the forensics support anything they claim is the case.  None.

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    Who the hell knows, I dont know..but I do believe some of what I read and saw regarding the other buildings going down soon after without being initially effected.

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    Go the WTC section of the link I posted.  It's all explained there.  It makes 100% perfect sense.  The stuff you hear from the CT's is selective "reporting" and only reporting things that support their claims.  They leave out the stuff that provides the whole explanation.  And they don't have any hard evidence....it's all what people thought they heard and thought they saw.  None of the forensics support anything they claim is the case.  None.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 5:13 PM ET #28

    good post hutch.  thanks for the insight
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    good post hutch.  thanks for the insight
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 5:15 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Go the WTC section of the link I posted.  It's all explained there.  It makes 100% perfect sense.  The stuff you hear from the CT's is selective "reporting" and only reporting things that support their claims.  They leave out the stuff that provides the whole explanation.  And they don't have any hard evidence....it's all what people thought they heard and thought they saw.  None of the forensics support anything they claim is the case.  None.

     

    "The absence of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working"

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Go the WTC section of the link I posted.  It's all explained there.  It makes 100% perfect sense.  The stuff you hear from the CT's is selective "reporting" and only reporting things that support their claims.  They leave out the stuff that provides the whole explanation.  And they don't have any hard evidence....it's all what people thought they heard and thought they saw.  None of the forensics support anything they claim is the case.  None.

     

    "The absence of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working"

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 5:29 PM ET #30

    how can a fire from 120th floor affect the whole building.... obviously there were explosives in the garage and every 20th floor in order for it to collapse. 

    If a plane hit a building in that manner, don't you think there were be reverberations in other parts of the building?  All this stuff is explained if you would bother to read it.  You just hear what you want to believe. 

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    how can a fire from 120th floor affect the whole building.... obviously there were explosives in the garage and every 20th floor in order for it to collapse. 

    If a plane hit a building in that manner, don't you think there were be reverberations in other parts of the building?  All this stuff is explained if you would bother to read it.  You just hear what you want to believe. 

     
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    Much of the case for "controlled demolition" of the WTC Twin Towers (although, curiously, not of WTC 7) rests on the fact that many witnesses reported hearing and seeing secondary explosions after the planes hit. I've never been surprised in the least by these reports. Why wouldn't there be secondary explosions, and things that sound like explosions or bombs, in a disaster of that type and magnitude in buildings of that type and magnitude? I have yet to hear from a CTist why that's surprising.

    One thing we often don't know is exactly when and where those explosions were heard, and this video certainly makes no effort to clarify that. For instance, how many people, in both towers, heard (but didn't see) flight 175 hit the south tower and reported that as a big secondary explosion? How many people were reporting the same event, but when those reports are listed, it looks like many events? We don't know.

    And how many of these explosions were electrical systems shorting, transformers and switchgear blowing, generators failing, steam pipes bursting, flaming debris and steel beams falling down elevator shafts, etc. Several reports call the sound of the actual collapse of tower 2 a "huge explosion."

    Electrical explosions do happen in skyscrapers:

    Electrical Fire Hurts 6 at Trade Center
    An air-conditioning transformer five stories below the World Trade Center caught fire after an explosion last night, the authorities said. Six people were injured, none of them seriously, but the 110-story twin towers did not have to be evacuated, the authorities said. The fire was first reported at 10:02 P.M. in a 13,000-volt transformer in the Trade Center's refrigeration plant, which provides air conditioning and ventilation for the complex, the Fire Department and the Port Authority said. The electrical fire, which went to three alarms, was brought under control at 11:24 P.M., said a Fire Department official, Lieutenant Erick Weekes. NEW YORK TIMES July 24, 1992

    Remarks on the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing by Fire Chief Donald J. Burns
    "Usually, a report of an explosion in a high-rise indicates an electrical problem such as a large short or a transformer explosion. "

    Video of a transformer explosion.


    What the various explosions reported would have to do with CD, I don't know. When you demolish a building with explosives, you set the charges to go off in a precise order at demolition time, not in a random fashion for nearly an hour. Some CTists have suggested that bombs were placed at different locations within the building. I have yet to hear a plausible explanation for why that would be. Large bombs would really mess up your carefully-prepared controlled demolition. What's more, no one I know of has come up with any plausible explanation of how this massive amount of CD work could have been accomplished.

    So, before we get back to the video, I'd like to propose a little thought experiment to the conspiracy believers. I've asked this before but no one has ever answered. Please describe, in as much detail as possible, what you would EXPECT to hear and see after a fully-loaded airliner hit a skyscraper at top speed, causing enormous damage, and the building caught fire to the point of collapse?

    And when a billion-pound building does start to collapse, what would you EXPECT to see and hear at the lower levels?

    Because in order to be surprised by what did happen, you must have some expectation of what SHOULD have happened. So I'd like you to stop and think about that. More than that, I'd like to HEAR what you have to say on the matter.

    And if you can't come up with an answer, then please talk to the experts: structural engineers, fire safety engineers, and failure analysts. Does it bother you that none of them agree with you?

    Once I was driving on the highway and an 18-wheeler blew a tire as it pulled alongside me on the left. The tire was just a few feet from my window. I described it as "like a cannon going off in my ear." But no cannon went off in my ear. I was using a common simile to describe a dramatic event. Please keep that in mind throughout this section.

    Please keep in mind that I'm not disputing what witnesses say they saw and heard. I'm just suggesting that there are many plausible explanations for those phenomena that don't involve implausible bombs.
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    Much of the case for "controlled demolition" of the WTC Twin Towers (although, curiously, not of WTC 7) rests on the fact that many witnesses reported hearing and seeing secondary explosions after the planes hit. I've never been surprised in the least by these reports. Why wouldn't there be secondary explosions, and things that sound like explosions or bombs, in a disaster of that type and magnitude in buildings of that type and magnitude? I have yet to hear from a CTist why that's surprising.

    One thing we often don't know is exactly when and where those explosions were heard, and this video certainly makes no effort to clarify that. For instance, how many people, in both towers, heard (but didn't see) flight 175 hit the south tower and reported that as a big secondary explosion? How many people were reporting the same event, but when those reports are listed, it looks like many events? We don't know.

    And how many of these explosions were electrical systems shorting, transformers and switchgear blowing, generators failing, steam pipes bursting, flaming debris and steel beams falling down elevator shafts, etc. Several reports call the sound of the actual collapse of tower 2 a "huge explosion."

    Electrical explosions do happen in skyscrapers:

    Electrical Fire Hurts 6 at Trade Center
    An air-conditioning transformer five stories below the World Trade Center caught fire after an explosion last night, the authorities said. Six people were injured, none of them seriously, but the 110-story twin towers did not have to be evacuated, the authorities said. The fire was first reported at 10:02 P.M. in a 13,000-volt transformer in the Trade Center's refrigeration plant, which provides air conditioning and ventilation for the complex, the Fire Department and the Port Authority said. The electrical fire, which went to three alarms, was brought under control at 11:24 P.M., said a Fire Department official, Lieutenant Erick Weekes. NEW YORK TIMES July 24, 1992

    Remarks on the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing by Fire Chief Donald J. Burns
    "Usually, a report of an explosion in a high-rise indicates an electrical problem such as a large short or a transformer explosion. "

    Video of a transformer explosion.


    What the various explosions reported would have to do with CD, I don't know. When you demolish a building with explosives, you set the charges to go off in a precise order at demolition time, not in a random fashion for nearly an hour. Some CTists have suggested that bombs were placed at different locations within the building. I have yet to hear a plausible explanation for why that would be. Large bombs would really mess up your carefully-prepared controlled demolition. What's more, no one I know of has come up with any plausible explanation of how this massive amount of CD work could have been accomplished.

    So, before we get back to the video, I'd like to propose a little thought experiment to the conspiracy believers. I've asked this before but no one has ever answered. Please describe, in as much detail as possible, what you would EXPECT to hear and see after a fully-loaded airliner hit a skyscraper at top speed, causing enormous damage, and the building caught fire to the point of collapse?

    And when a billion-pound building does start to collapse, what would you EXPECT to see and hear at the lower levels?

    Because in order to be surprised by what did happen, you must have some expectation of what SHOULD have happened. So I'd like you to stop and think about that. More than that, I'd like to HEAR what you have to say on the matter.

    And if you can't come up with an answer, then please talk to the experts: structural engineers, fire safety engineers, and failure analysts. Does it bother you that none of them agree with you?

    Once I was driving on the highway and an 18-wheeler blew a tire as it pulled alongside me on the left. The tire was just a few feet from my window. I described it as "like a cannon going off in my ear." But no cannon went off in my ear. I was using a common simile to describe a dramatic event. Please keep that in mind throughout this section.

    Please keep in mind that I'm not disputing what witnesses say they saw and heard. I'm just suggesting that there are many plausible explanations for those phenomena that don't involve implausible bombs.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 5:32 PM ET #32

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    Good to see you around bro. 

     
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    The CT's wonder why the south building collapses first even though the north building had been burning longer.  Here is the explanation.  The funniest part is how CT's don't think that fire could cause a building to collapse.  Then why do they fireproof them (see his last point).  It's hilarious. 

    Several factors are involved here.

    1) Because the south tower was struck closer to a corner, the forces on the damaged area may have been more uneven than in the north tower, which was struck head-on and fairly centered.  We've seen how the top of the south tower tilted sharply towards its damaged side as it fell.

    2) Flight 175 was traveling at approximately 550 mph when it struck the south tower,, far faster than flight 11 when it hit the north tower the additional kinetic energy it carried may have done more damage to structural members and fire protection.

    3) The south tower was hit at a point much lower than the north, and had far more weight bearing on the damaged areas: in terms of square footage, the equivalent of the entire Chicago Citigroup Center (right) on top of a weakened, off-center base.

    4) The fire protection on the south tower steel was only half as thick (3.4" or 2 cm) as the insulation in the north tower. Source (interesting side note to CTists; if skyscrapers can't be brought down by fire alone, why do they fireproof them?)

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    The CT's wonder why the south building collapses first even though the north building had been burning longer.  Here is the explanation.  The funniest part is how CT's don't think that fire could cause a building to collapse.  Then why do they fireproof them (see his last point).  It's hilarious. 

    Several factors are involved here.

    1) Because the south tower was struck closer to a corner, the forces on the damaged area may have been more uneven than in the north tower, which was struck head-on and fairly centered.  We've seen how the top of the south tower tilted sharply towards its damaged side as it fell.

    2) Flight 175 was traveling at approximately 550 mph when it struck the south tower,, far faster than flight 11 when it hit the north tower the additional kinetic energy it carried may have done more damage to structural members and fire protection.

    3) The south tower was hit at a point much lower than the north, and had far more weight bearing on the damaged areas: in terms of square footage, the equivalent of the entire Chicago Citigroup Center (right) on top of a weakened, off-center base.

    4) The fire protection on the south tower steel was only half as thick (3.4" or 2 cm) as the insulation in the north tower. Source (interesting side note to CTists; if skyscrapers can't be brought down by fire alone, why do they fireproof them?)

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 6:00 PM ET #34

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    It is possible there was a conspiracy that let 9/11 to happen.  I can't believe anyone would disagree with me.  It is possible.  I believe things didn't add up that day.  Just my thoughts. 

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    It is possible there was a conspiracy that let 9/11 to happen.  I can't believe anyone would disagree with me.  It is possible.  I believe things didn't add up that day.  Just my thoughts. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 6:14 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by routinewin:

    Building 7

    Once again, ignorance.  Everyone says that the building owner told them to blow it.  Well, "pull it" is never a term used in demolition (look it up).  It is used to pull firefighters from a building, though.  And look at this EVIDENCE of the people who were there and saw the building.  They expected it to come down long before it came down. 

    "Firehouse: Did that chief give an assignment to go to building 7?
    Boyle: He gave out an assignment. I didn't know exactly what it was, but he told the chief that we were heading down to the site. Firehouse: How many companies?
    Boyle: There were four engines and at least three trucks. So we're heading east on Vesey, we couldn't see much past Broadway. We couldn't see Church Street. We couldn't see what was down there. It was really smoky and dusty." 
    "A little north of Vesey I said, we'll go down, let's see what's going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what's going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn't look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn't look good.
    But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too. Then we received an order from Fellini, we're going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn't look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn't really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I'm standing next to said, that building doesn't look straight. So I'm standing there. I'm looking at the building. It didn't look right, but, well, we'll go in, we'll see.
    So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody's going into 7, there's creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.
    "They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski  Source
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    Building 7

    Once again, ignorance.  Everyone says that the building owner told them to blow it.  Well, "pull it" is never a term used in demolition (look it up).  It is used to pull firefighters from a building, though.  And look at this EVIDENCE of the people who were there and saw the building.  They expected it to come down long before it came down. 

    "Firehouse: Did that chief give an assignment to go to building 7?
    Boyle: He gave out an assignment. I didn't know exactly what it was, but he told the chief that we were heading down to the site. Firehouse: How many companies?
    Boyle: There were four engines and at least three trucks. So we're heading east on Vesey, we couldn't see much past Broadway. We couldn't see Church Street. We couldn't see what was down there. It was really smoky and dusty." 
    "A little north of Vesey I said, we'll go down, let's see what's going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what's going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn't look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn't look good.
    But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too. Then we received an order from Fellini, we're going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn't look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn't really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I'm standing next to said, that building doesn't look straight. So I'm standing there. I'm looking at the building. It didn't look right, but, well, we'll go in, we'll see.
    So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody's going into 7, there's creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.
    "They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski  Source
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by eriffic:



    watch "loose cents"

    how can a fire from 120th floor affect the whole building.... obviously there were explosives in the garage and every 20th floor in order for it to collapse. 


    RIP to the innocent lives that were taken that day.  horrible. 

    It's actually called "Loose Change" and they selectively report.  Not ONE structural engineer supports their claim.  NOT ONE.  Go to the link I provided and read some of the hundreds of questions that they answer.  They can't even get something as simple as an engine comparison right (see pentagon link).

    I have read every one of those links (sublinks of the one I posted) in their entirety and spent hours and hours of research on this.  All you need to do is to read them to see how utterly irresponsble (and completely wrong) the CT's are.  It is frightening that some people actually believe that B.S....including a former governor of MN, Jesse Ventura. 

    So I guess if you want to be grouped in the same pile of idiots that he belongs to, feel free to continue to believe the government did it. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by eriffic:



    watch "loose cents"

    how can a fire from 120th floor affect the whole building.... obviously there were explosives in the garage and every 20th floor in order for it to collapse. 


    RIP to the innocent lives that were taken that day.  horrible. 

    It's actually called "Loose Change" and they selectively report.  Not ONE structural engineer supports their claim.  NOT ONE.  Go to the link I provided and read some of the hundreds of questions that they answer.  They can't even get something as simple as an engine comparison right (see pentagon link).

    I have read every one of those links (sublinks of the one I posted) in their entirety and spent hours and hours of research on this.  All you need to do is to read them to see how utterly irresponsble (and completely wrong) the CT's are.  It is frightening that some people actually believe that B.S....including a former governor of MN, Jesse Ventura. 

    So I guess if you want to be grouped in the same pile of idiots that he belongs to, feel free to continue to believe the government did it. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JEFFMARKETCAP:

    It is possible there was a conspiracy that let 9/11 to happen.  I can't believe anyone would disagree with me.  It is possible.  I believe things didn't add up that day.  Just my thoughts. 

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    It is possible there was a conspiracy that let 9/11 to happen.  I can't believe anyone would disagree with me.  It is possible.  I believe things didn't add up that day.  Just my thoughts. 

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    What specifically didn't add up for you? 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 6:39 PM ET #39

    Matt Simmons made me instantly think of conspiracy theories. Here's a guy who comes out against the government and big oil, a month later he dies taking a bath. Yeah right.
    911 different story but I would not be shocked but I don't think so.
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    Matt Simmons made me instantly think of conspiracy theories. Here's a guy who comes out against the government and big oil, a month later he dies taking a bath. Yeah right.
    911 different story but I would not be shocked but I don't think so.
     
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    The funny thing is, the CT people are calling the heroes of the day (firefighters) liars.  It's laughable. 

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    The funny thing is, the CT people are calling the heroes of the day (firefighters) liars.  It's laughable. 

     
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    Nobody mentioned anything in this thread about three key points: the dumping of airline stocks in the days before, the withdrawl of WTC security guards before any impact, and the possibility of advanced thermite as explosives.

    The funniest thing I can say about my experiences with 9/11 was when I was in university my prof not only came flat out and said it was an inside job, she used her two or three lectures to outline how the 'facts' 'proving' at least some members of the Bush administration knew in advance, and that many aspects of the official version were false.

    One other thing, what hutch said about no experts or structural engineers etc. supporting the idea that the towers couldn't have fallen as officially stated is complete bullshit. There are numerous experts on both sides of that debate.
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    Nobody mentioned anything in this thread about three key points: the dumping of airline stocks in the days before, the withdrawl of WTC security guards before any impact, and the possibility of advanced thermite as explosives.

    The funniest thing I can say about my experiences with 9/11 was when I was in university my prof not only came flat out and said it was an inside job, she used her two or three lectures to outline how the 'facts' 'proving' at least some members of the Bush administration knew in advance, and that many aspects of the official version were false.

    One other thing, what hutch said about no experts or structural engineers etc. supporting the idea that the towers couldn't have fallen as officially stated is complete bullshit. There are numerous experts on both sides of that debate.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 7:38 PM ET #42

    If you want to research something that is researchable regarding 911. Look up the flight training school Muhammad Atta attended in Florida. It had a long dark history involving the CIA as well as criminal elements. My question is how did he find this school? It's a big country and he found a flight school with a very checkered past, by coincidence?
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    If you want to research something that is researchable regarding 911. Look up the flight training school Muhammad Atta attended in Florida. It had a long dark history involving the CIA as well as criminal elements. My question is how did he find this school? It's a big country and he found a flight school with a very checkered past, by coincidence?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 7:44 PM ET #43

    I do not believe this conspiracy theory just like I don't believe a lot of other theories that have been floated about everything in the world.  It is still a free country (unless Obama wins in 2012) and you can believe what you like.  Good luck, live long, be happy.
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    I do not believe this conspiracy theory just like I don't believe a lot of other theories that have been floated about everything in the world.  It is still a free country (unless Obama wins in 2012) and you can believe what you like.  Good luck, live long, be happy.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ap1Bfreetorun:

    I do not believe this conspiracy theory just like I don't believe a lot of other theories that have been floated about everything in the world.  It is still a free country (unless Obama wins in 2012) and you can believe what you like.  Good luck, live long, be happy.




    At least you believe something....
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    I do not believe this conspiracy theory just like I don't believe a lot of other theories that have been floated about everything in the world.  It is still a free country (unless Obama wins in 2012) and you can believe what you like.  Good luck, live long, be happy.




    At least you believe something....
     
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    All the conspiracy theory group can take comfort the fact, that they are in good company with "The Islamic Rose theory" ...

     “I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics that World Trade Center tower 7—building 7, which collapsed in on itself—it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved. World Trade Center 7. World Trade [Center] 1 and 2 got hit by planes—7, miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.”

                                         Rosie O’Donnell, from The View

     

    Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees F, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. ...steel is made with fire ............

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    All the conspiracy theory group can take comfort the fact, that they are in good company with "The Islamic Rose theory" ...

     “I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics that World Trade Center tower 7—building 7, which collapsed in on itself—it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved. World Trade Center 7. World Trade [Center] 1 and 2 got hit by planes—7, miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.”

                                         Rosie O’Donnell, from The View

     

    Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees F, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. ...steel is made with fire ............

     
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    Welcome back disco. I wonder what you think of the U.S. State Department funding the Imam's trip to the Middle East regarding the Mosque at Ground Zero. Is that not the "state-sponsoring" religion which is a no no in our constitution? Or is it only when Christianity is concerned everyone pipes up? (sorry to go off topic).
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    Welcome back disco. I wonder what you think of the U.S. State Department funding the Imam's trip to the Middle East regarding the Mosque at Ground Zero. Is that not the "state-sponsoring" religion which is a no no in our constitution? Or is it only when Christianity is concerned everyone pipes up? (sorry to go off topic).
     
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    Why won't our elected officials and/or our president respond to peer reviewed scientific evidence that those buildings had explosives in them?

    Wake up people!  If buildings are gonna fall cause of a plane and fire then it doesn't mean every last computer, chair, desk, etc. etc etc gets obliterated to dust and buildings fall straight down.  Bullshit.

    9/11 is an inside job

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    Why won't our elected officials and/or our president respond to peer reviewed scientific evidence that those buildings had explosives in them?

    Wake up people!  If buildings are gonna fall cause of a plane and fire then it doesn't mean every last computer, chair, desk, etc. etc etc gets obliterated to dust and buildings fall straight down.  Bullshit.

    9/11 is an inside job

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revo23:

    Why won't our elected officials and/or our president respond to peer reviewed scientific evidence that those buildings had explosives in them?

    Wake up people!  If buildings are gonna fall cause of a plane and fire then it doesn't mean every last computer, chair, desk, etc. etc etc gets obliterated to dust and buildings fall straight down.  Bullshit.

    9/11 is an inside job

    I completely agree.

    Those planes hitting the building were a diversion to the government agents walking into the trade center and burning every lasgt computer, chair, desk, etc. etc. so that they could blame it on the airplane crashing into the building.

    Amazing that the government has hidden this for so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revo23:

    Why won't our elected officials and/or our president respond to peer reviewed scientific evidence that those buildings had explosives in them?

    Wake up people!  If buildings are gonna fall cause of a plane and fire then it doesn't mean every last computer, chair, desk, etc. etc etc gets obliterated to dust and buildings fall straight down.  Bullshit.

    9/11 is an inside job

    I completely agree.

    Those planes hitting the building were a diversion to the government agents walking into the trade center and burning every lasgt computer, chair, desk, etc. etc. so that they could blame it on the airplane crashing into the building.

    Amazing that the government has hidden this for so long.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    I completely agree.

    Those planes hitting the building were a diversion to the government agents walking into the trade center and burning every lasgt computer, chair, desk, etc. etc. so that they could blame it on the airplane crashing into the building.

    Amazing that the government has hidden this for so long.

    That day was a diversion to take our civil liberties away. That day is an excuse for the war on terror, which is a never ending war they have created.

    That day was an opportunity for the men behind the curtain to plow forward with their agenda.  Kissenger is always referring to "a catastrophe being anything but an opportunity."

    That day I will never forget.

     

    "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
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    I completely agree.

    Those planes hitting the building were a diversion to the government agents walking into the trade center and burning every lasgt computer, chair, desk, etc. etc. so that they could blame it on the airplane crashing into the building.

    Amazing that the government has hidden this for so long.

    That day was a diversion to take our civil liberties away. That day is an excuse for the war on terror, which is a never ending war they have created.

    That day was an opportunity for the men behind the curtain to plow forward with their agenda.  Kissenger is always referring to "a catastrophe being anything but an opportunity."

    That day I will never forget.

     

    "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revo23:

    That day was a diversion to take our civil liberties away. That day is an excuse for the war on terror, which is a never ending war they have created.

    That day was an opportunity for the men behind the curtain to plow forward with their agenda.  Kissenger is always referring to "a catastrophe being anything but an opportunity."

    That day I will never forget.

     

    "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

    And this was set in place by arranging for planes to crash into buildings as opposed to simply arranging for a bombing in times square.

    Amazing who much smarter they are than we.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revo23:

    That day was a diversion to take our civil liberties away. That day is an excuse for the war on terror, which is a never ending war they have created.

    That day was an opportunity for the men behind the curtain to plow forward with their agenda.  Kissenger is always referring to "a catastrophe being anything but an opportunity."

    That day I will never forget.

     

    "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

    And this was set in place by arranging for planes to crash into buildings as opposed to simply arranging for a bombing in times square.

    Amazing who much smarter they are than we.

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