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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2026 - 3:19 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.   Yes if payment growth doesn’t outperform inflation - that is the definition of economic decline !  - btw it is hard arguing with GDP numbers when you also are the only country in the world that borrow at the rate you do - and calculate inflation the way you do - both of which are the main explanation for your GDP growth (because your GDP figure is basically just companies borrowing money and buy stakes in each others companies - your economy is the country equivalent of a bunch of gay guys jerking each other off) User Reported Content maybe harmful or abusive

     

    Considering you are living in the pedophile mekka of the world - you have very thin skin when people talk about your country ? I didn’t say anything about you — I didn’t even consider Grinder going down everytime Trump throws an event - when I made my statement - your economy has worked like a gay club party for ages ! That isn’t just because of Trump 

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.   Yes if payment growth doesn’t outperform inflation - that is the definition of economic decline !  - btw it is hard arguing with GDP numbers when you also are the only country in the world that borrow at the rate you do - and calculate inflation the way you do - both of which are the main explanation for your GDP growth (because your GDP figure is basically just companies borrowing money and buy stakes in each others companies - your economy is the country equivalent of a bunch of gay guys jerking each other off) User Reported Content maybe harmful or abusive

     

    Considering you are living in the pedophile mekka of the world - you have very thin skin when people talk about your country ? I didn’t say anything about you — I didn’t even consider Grinder going down everytime Trump throws an event - when I made my statement - your economy has worked like a gay club party for ages ! That isn’t just because of Trump 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2026 - 3:53 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @jpot34 Quote Originally Posted by jpot34: @Raiders22  Your first mistake - believing any government generated economic reports. Why?  You understand how easily and quickly we would pick it apart if it was not easily verifiable?   You are not cooking the books in that sense ! You are doing it like all other third world governments cook the books - they change what factors they use for their calculations - just like you do with your inflation numbers - that you hire healthcare personnel for instance isn’t good for your economy - yet they are part of your jobnumbers report - why is that ? When you remove all “noise” in reports where you want as low numbers as possible - it is because they want to “fake” your numbers - it is by design - because people like you don’t ask questions about their numbers or when they change in what way they collect and conduct said numbers - which has changed under Trump btw

    Nonsense peace_5

    All of their economists there would easily point out any disparities.  All of us pretty much look at the same numbers.

    Healthcare hiring is economic activity.  The impact, sustainability, or desirability is another economic discussion altogether.

    The BLS that they use there is pretty clear about why they do any changes.  They are not to used to reach a desired result but to make their estimates more accurate.

    A clear example of this is the change they did with the birth/death model change, it actually lowered the numbers for birth/death contributions, so it went in the opposite direction of what was previously used.

    Economists are one of the most critiqued occupations.  No matter how we post the numbers or methodologies we use -- they are always scrutinized for accuracy and potential manipulation.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @jpot34 Quote Originally Posted by jpot34: @Raiders22  Your first mistake - believing any government generated economic reports. Why?  You understand how easily and quickly we would pick it apart if it was not easily verifiable?   You are not cooking the books in that sense ! You are doing it like all other third world governments cook the books - they change what factors they use for their calculations - just like you do with your inflation numbers - that you hire healthcare personnel for instance isn’t good for your economy - yet they are part of your jobnumbers report - why is that ? When you remove all “noise” in reports where you want as low numbers as possible - it is because they want to “fake” your numbers - it is by design - because people like you don’t ask questions about their numbers or when they change in what way they collect and conduct said numbers - which has changed under Trump btw

    Nonsense peace_5

    All of their economists there would easily point out any disparities.  All of us pretty much look at the same numbers.

    Healthcare hiring is economic activity.  The impact, sustainability, or desirability is another economic discussion altogether.

    The BLS that they use there is pretty clear about why they do any changes.  They are not to used to reach a desired result but to make their estimates more accurate.

    A clear example of this is the change they did with the birth/death model change, it actually lowered the numbers for birth/death contributions, so it went in the opposite direction of what was previously used.

    Economists are one of the most critiqued occupations.  No matter how we post the numbers or methodologies we use -- they are always scrutinized for accuracy and potential manipulation.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2026 - 3:57 PM ET #28

    Healthcare personal means more of you are getting old and sick ! And if you guys can’t pay their payments - the government will have to ! You will always need healthcare personal - they are also in a close circuit system - they don’t create value for you as a society ! Any number that represents the same for inflation or any other number you want as low as possible would be removed faster than you can spell “dumb”

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    Healthcare personal means more of you are getting old and sick ! And if you guys can’t pay their payments - the government will have to ! You will always need healthcare personal - they are also in a close circuit system - they don’t create value for you as a society ! Any number that represents the same for inflation or any other number you want as low as possible would be removed faster than you can spell “dumb”

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2026 - 4:08 PM ET #29

    And yes most experts say you are not doing well - because you aren’t 

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    And yes most experts say you are not doing well - because you aren’t 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2026 - 4:42 PM ET #30

    I am not so sure they are correct.  Hasn't their life expectancy increased in the last few years.  I think even their drug-related deaths are down.

    They for sure have some obesity-related illnesses there.

    But the innovations in medicine and treatment has allowed for even those to live longer than they used to.

    It is also a regional and racial thing.

    Take Asian-Americans and compare their mortality rate to Asians in other countries, for example.

    So, this is the same as the economic comparisons.  

    It is too absolute to make sweeping and broad statements without metrics being defined and obvious differences being delineated.

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    I am not so sure they are correct.  Hasn't their life expectancy increased in the last few years.  I think even their drug-related deaths are down.

    They for sure have some obesity-related illnesses there.

    But the innovations in medicine and treatment has allowed for even those to live longer than they used to.

    It is also a regional and racial thing.

    Take Asian-Americans and compare their mortality rate to Asians in other countries, for example.

    So, this is the same as the economic comparisons.  

    It is too absolute to make sweeping and broad statements without metrics being defined and obvious differences being delineated.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2026 - 2:35 AM ET #31

    Life expectancy differences between racial groups is basically a proof of what I am trying to say - you can get all data to show what you want - if you only look for a specific thing when reading the numbers - racial differences is more likely related to aspects like what kind of food the majority of that group eats and the amount of exercise they do - if they have a job where they move their body or sit at a computer at large (stuff like that is also race depended on large in many countries) etc. and not based on their racial DNA being different - it is like when Trump has his meltdown saying Amish lack of autism is due to lack of vaccines! Yeah either that or the million other things they do differently - most likely their lack of testing and reporting !

    And that conduct is also present in the way you conduct economic numbers you can either embrace that or not 

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    Life expectancy differences between racial groups is basically a proof of what I am trying to say - you can get all data to show what you want - if you only look for a specific thing when reading the numbers - racial differences is more likely related to aspects like what kind of food the majority of that group eats and the amount of exercise they do - if they have a job where they move their body or sit at a computer at large (stuff like that is also race depended on large in many countries) etc. and not based on their racial DNA being different - it is like when Trump has his meltdown saying Amish lack of autism is due to lack of vaccines! Yeah either that or the million other things they do differently - most likely their lack of testing and reporting !

    And that conduct is also present in the way you conduct economic numbers you can either embrace that or not 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2026 - 2:52 AM ET #32

    That you deliberately choose to use the inflation measure that makes it look as small as possible doesn’t cheat anyone but the American idiots - the markets of course know and price this in — but don’t believe for 1 sec it is by mistake - it is so they can keep up the facade you are outdoing the entire world forgetting to mention they calculate GDP growth differently

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    That you deliberately choose to use the inflation measure that makes it look as small as possible doesn’t cheat anyone but the American idiots - the markets of course know and price this in — but don’t believe for 1 sec it is by mistake - it is so they can keep up the facade you are outdoing the entire world forgetting to mention they calculate GDP growth differently

     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2026 - 5:05 AM ET #33

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     It has been picked apart for years by the people I read. It's so blatant, it seems they don't care anymore.  peace

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     It has been picked apart for years by the people I read. It's so blatant, it seems they don't care anymore.  peace

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    @Raiders22  It has been picked apart for years by the people I read. It's so blatant, it seems they don't care anymore.

    I would have to see exactly what you are talking about here.  If you are talking about the actual data, that is the part I am saying has to be as accurate as possible or we would all be picking it apart.  But if you are talking about how some present it or interpret it, I can understand that.  

    Because everyone does not have the time or capability to peruse the data so they have to go with what the news presents.  Whereas, economists or financial folks certainly have that access and know-how and would absolutely point out if the data was incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    @Raiders22  It has been picked apart for years by the people I read. It's so blatant, it seems they don't care anymore.

    I would have to see exactly what you are talking about here.  If you are talking about the actual data, that is the part I am saying has to be as accurate as possible or we would all be picking it apart.  But if you are talking about how some present it or interpret it, I can understand that.  

    Because everyone does not have the time or capability to peruse the data so they have to go with what the news presents.  Whereas, economists or financial folks certainly have that access and know-how and would absolutely point out if the data was incorrect.

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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2026 - 11:01 AM ET #35

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     So there is a gulf of sorts between "believing any government generated economic reports" and "believing any government or news interpretation of the generated economic reports".  The data is what it is.  What someone does with the data can be another matter.

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     So there is a gulf of sorts between "believing any government generated economic reports" and "believing any government or news interpretation of the generated economic reports".  The data is what it is.  What someone does with the data can be another matter.

    peace_5

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2026 - 12:51 PM ET #36

    This is all President Trump .................Real median household income rose 2.6% to $87,460 in 2025, new Census Bureau data shows, as the official poverty rate declined to 10.2%.

    TY PDJT................peace_5

     

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    This is all President Trump .................Real median household income rose 2.6% to $87,460 in 2025, new Census Bureau data shows, as the official poverty rate declined to 10.2%.

    TY PDJT................peace_5

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2026 - 9:47 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    This is all President Trump .................Real median household income rose 2.6% to $87,460 in 2025, new Census Bureau data shows, as the official poverty rate declined to 10.2%. TY PDJT................
    Hence the phrase, numbers don't lie, but liars use numbers. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    This is all President Trump .................Real median household income rose 2.6% to $87,460 in 2025, new Census Bureau data shows, as the official poverty rate declined to 10.2%. TY PDJT................
    Hence the phrase, numbers don't lie, but liars use numbers. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2026 - 1:53 PM ET #38

    ‘Hence’ means ‘therefore’.  
    The inference being that true numbers were presented but used to mislead about how good the economy was.  
    How so?  The guy just stated what the numbers were.  He did not follow it up with an analysis of the economy.  The numbers were not used to ‘lie’ about anything.  

    My question would be if the counter could be done?  Use those ‘true’ numbers to ‘lie’ about how bad the economy is?

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    ‘Hence’ means ‘therefore’.  
    The inference being that true numbers were presented but used to mislead about how good the economy was.  
    How so?  The guy just stated what the numbers were.  He did not follow it up with an analysis of the economy.  The numbers were not used to ‘lie’ about anything.  

    My question would be if the counter could be done?  Use those ‘true’ numbers to ‘lie’ about how bad the economy is?

    an_light

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2026 - 4:48 PM ET #39

    This thread is like a trump speech, lot of BS.

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    This thread is like a trump speech, lot of BS.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2026 - 2:20 AM ET #40

     Quote Originally Posted by7272  "numbers don't lie, but liars use numbers." 

    Figures don't lie,but liars can figure.

     

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     Quote Originally Posted by7272  "numbers don't lie, but liars use numbers." 

    Figures don't lie,but liars can figure.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2026 - 3:59 AM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by lovethedough:

    Economy is booming...    Healthcare will never be fixed by anyone after Obama and democrats destroyed it.    Border closed.   but for $4 dollar a gallon it is totally worth Iran's military being destroyed.    Crime down everywhere.   Trump cleaned up DC in 24 hours.    Trade wars, these countries play games with trade.

    US economic growth and jobs creation are greater under Biden.  Trump inherited a strong economy which deteriorated under his bad policies.  US has the most unaffordable healthcare system in the world because millions of Americans are under insured.  Most of the decline in border crossings occurred before Trump second term.  Polls show most Americans think Iran war is not worth the costs.  Crime rates have been declining before Trump second term.  Lack of evidence showing deployment of national guard reduce crimes at Washington DC.  US trade deficits are not due to unfair practices by other countries but via foreign investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovethedough:

    Economy is booming...    Healthcare will never be fixed by anyone after Obama and democrats destroyed it.    Border closed.   but for $4 dollar a gallon it is totally worth Iran's military being destroyed.    Crime down everywhere.   Trump cleaned up DC in 24 hours.    Trade wars, these countries play games with trade.

    US economic growth and jobs creation are greater under Biden.  Trump inherited a strong economy which deteriorated under his bad policies.  US has the most unaffordable healthcare system in the world because millions of Americans are under insured.  Most of the decline in border crossings occurred before Trump second term.  Polls show most Americans think Iran war is not worth the costs.  Crime rates have been declining before Trump second term.  Lack of evidence showing deployment of national guard reduce crimes at Washington DC.  US trade deficits are not due to unfair practices by other countries but via foreign investment.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2026 - 9:26 AM ET #42

    an_roll_laugh

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    an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2026 - 4:17 PM ET #43

    Can’t wait till after midterms, everything is going to be so great.

    We should stop eating bananas.
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    Can’t wait till after midterms, everything is going to be so great.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2026 - 9:08 PM ET #44

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     Say what you want but he has a 36% approval! He will surely lose at least one of the houses ! He has earned every bit of It ! I will enjoy November ! I’m positive of that ! peace_5

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     Say what you want but he has a 36% approval! He will surely lose at least one of the houses ! He has earned every bit of It ! I will enjoy November ! I’m positive of that ! peace_5

     
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    @joe pockets

     Absolutely agree.  The messaging is overwhelmingly against him.  I have been saying for quite some time that the issue was the Republicans were making no attempt to get their messaging out.

    If you let the other side be the only side to set it then they also will have more of a push to get their voters to turn out to vote.

    peace_5

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     Absolutely agree.  The messaging is overwhelmingly against him.  I have been saying for quite some time that the issue was the Republicans were making no attempt to get their messaging out.

    If you let the other side be the only side to set it then they also will have more of a push to get their voters to turn out to vote.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2026 - 11:24 AM ET #46

    Just go outside .. economy booming... everyone driving new cars.. restaurants and stores packed... no crime... border secure.. in public nobody argues over politics. polls say everyone hates Trump.. The polls are always wrong... media is fake 

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    Just go outside .. economy booming... everyone driving new cars.. restaurants and stores packed... no crime... border secure.. in public nobody argues over politics. polls say everyone hates Trump.. The polls are always wrong... media is fake 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2026 - 12:50 PM ET #47

    economy booming... everyone driving new cars... restaurants and stores packed... no crime... border secure... inflation under control... wages rising... gas prices falling... housing affordable... interest rates coming down... small businesses thriving... unemployment low... stock market soaring... manufacturing coming back... energy prices down... grocery bills falling... middle-class families thriving... 401K at alltime highs

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    economy booming... everyone driving new cars... restaurants and stores packed... no crime... border secure... inflation under control... wages rising... gas prices falling... housing affordable... interest rates coming down... small businesses thriving... unemployment low... stock market soaring... manufacturing coming back... energy prices down... grocery bills falling... middle-class families thriving... 401K at alltime highs

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2026 - 2:31 PM ET #48

    Slow on missile production..

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    Slow on missile production..

     
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    Posted: Sep. 23, 2026 - 2:01 AM ET #49

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    economy booming... everyone driving new cars... restaurants and stores packed... no crime... border secure... inflation under control... wages rising... gas prices falling... housing affordable... interest rates coming down... small businesses thriving... unemployment low... stock market soaring... manufacturing coming back... energy prices down... grocery bills falling... middle-class families thriving... 401K at alltime highs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    economy booming... everyone driving new cars... restaurants and stores packed... no crime... border secure... inflation under control... wages rising... gas prices falling... housing affordable... interest rates coming down... small businesses thriving... unemployment low... stock market soaring... manufacturing coming back... energy prices down... grocery bills falling... middle-class families thriving... 401K at alltime highs

    peace_5

     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 23, 2026 - 4:40 AM ET #50

    You lost me at “economy is booming”

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    You lost me at “economy is booming”

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