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    Trump is a Very Good President.. Let's be honest

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    lovethedough
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2026 - 12:03 PM ET #1

    Economy is booming...  people can't afford groceries is fake news..  I have never met anyone that can't afford groceries..  if you can't afford groceries, it's your own fault, and to be blunt... you're a loser!!   Go outside, this economy is booming everywhere.  Forget the really poor, they have been voting democrat for 40 years, and they're still broke.

     

    The funniest thing is the fake polls for the past 12 years.  Trump is so underwater he could never beat Kamala.  Look how desperate Trump is working at McDonalds so nobody looks at the polls.  Kamala will win every swing state after that debate.  They're eating the pets..  no way Trump wins.   30 percent approval..  they still say the same stuff..  it's ridiculous.  Republicans will easily win the white house in 2 years.  Stop with these same dumb polls.

     

    Healthcare will never be fixed by anyone after Obama and democrats destroyed it.  Go back and look at the tapes... Obama said by now, we would be raking in cash because it's so affordable.   I love when democrats talk Healthcare... it's ridiculous. 

     

    Border closed.  Mass deportations.  Crime at historical low.  

     

    Straight of formula is Trumps fault, but for a dollar a gallon it is totally worth Iran's military being destroyed.   In 2 years nobody will use that straight.  There will be many alternatives, and Iran is done.

     

    Venezuela.   Lower prescription drugs.  Crime down everywhere.   Trump cleaned up DC in 24 hours.  All this success with the democrats completely blocking him from fighting crime, fighting terrorism.

     

    Trade wars, these countries play games with trade.  He not just going after Canada for fun.  Look into what they charge us for cheese compared to Europe for instance.   The fake news makes us out to be bad, but look at Europe, Canada.   

     

     

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    Economy is booming...  people can't afford groceries is fake news..  I have never met anyone that can't afford groceries..  if you can't afford groceries, it's your own fault, and to be blunt... you're a loser!!   Go outside, this economy is booming everywhere.  Forget the really poor, they have been voting democrat for 40 years, and they're still broke.

     

    The funniest thing is the fake polls for the past 12 years.  Trump is so underwater he could never beat Kamala.  Look how desperate Trump is working at McDonalds so nobody looks at the polls.  Kamala will win every swing state after that debate.  They're eating the pets..  no way Trump wins.   30 percent approval..  they still say the same stuff..  it's ridiculous.  Republicans will easily win the white house in 2 years.  Stop with these same dumb polls.

     

    Healthcare will never be fixed by anyone after Obama and democrats destroyed it.  Go back and look at the tapes... Obama said by now, we would be raking in cash because it's so affordable.   I love when democrats talk Healthcare... it's ridiculous. 

     

    Border closed.  Mass deportations.  Crime at historical low.  

     

    Straight of formula is Trumps fault, but for a dollar a gallon it is totally worth Iran's military being destroyed.   In 2 years nobody will use that straight.  There will be many alternatives, and Iran is done.

     

    Venezuela.   Lower prescription drugs.  Crime down everywhere.   Trump cleaned up DC in 24 hours.  All this success with the democrats completely blocking him from fighting crime, fighting terrorism.

     

    Trade wars, these countries play games with trade.  He not just going after Canada for fun.  Look into what they charge us for cheese compared to Europe for instance.   The fake news makes us out to be bad, but look at Europe, Canada.   

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2026 - 9:12 PM ET #2

    You grew up around power lines?

    We should stop eating bananas.
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    You grew up around power lines?

     
    SarasotaSlim
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2026 - 2:09 AM ET #3

    @benhogan76 

     

    Under President Trump’s leadership, this FBI delivered the most prolific year of crime reduction in U.S. history.

    ?? Murder rate DOWN 20%

     Carjacking DOWN 47%

     Robbery DOWN 17%

     57,000+ criminal arrests

     54,000+ violent crime arrests

     11,000+ child victims located

      14,756+ pedophiles arrested in the act 

     5,000+ predators and traffickers arrested

     3,258+ kg of fentanyl seized

    Eight of the top 10 most wanted fugitives on Earth — off the board.

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    @benhogan76 

     

    Under President Trump’s leadership, this FBI delivered the most prolific year of crime reduction in U.S. history.

    ?? Murder rate DOWN 20%

     Carjacking DOWN 47%

     Robbery DOWN 17%

     57,000+ criminal arrests

     54,000+ violent crime arrests

     11,000+ child victims located

      14,756+ pedophiles arrested in the act 

     5,000+ predators and traffickers arrested

     3,258+ kg of fentanyl seized

    Eight of the top 10 most wanted fugitives on Earth — off the board.

     
    Calde13
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2026 - 2:19 AM ET #4

    Considering most criminals have joined ICE and their actions are not considered crimes - it would make sense thumbs_up (btw crimes have been on the decline since the 90s pretty much around the globe - with a spike only happening around the COVID19 time)

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    Considering most criminals have joined ICE and their actions are not considered crimes - it would make sense thumbs_up (btw crimes have been on the decline since the 90s pretty much around the globe - with a spike only happening around the COVID19 time)

     
    Calde13
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2026 - 2:28 AM ET #5

    And you are factually not experiencing an economic boom what are you even talking about ? Your job numbers are basically stagnant and your paycheck doesn’t outpace inflation - that is literally the definition of a declining economy ! thumbs_up
     

    I can only assume you are talking about the stock market ! Spoiler alert no matter where you are in the world - you can invest in other countries stock markets - so the American stock market is not your economy more than it is mine - as long as they don’t contribute to your society paying taxes etc. - and them not doing that and gaming your system to their advantage is the only reason they are rich and are big companies in the first place (because your system is made by idiots, for idiots and defended and upheld by idiots) — oh yeah and also because of AI - so the market price in a future that will make you obsolete for profit ! Well hurray for that 

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    And you are factually not experiencing an economic boom what are you even talking about ? Your job numbers are basically stagnant and your paycheck doesn’t outpace inflation - that is literally the definition of a declining economy ! thumbs_up
     

    I can only assume you are talking about the stock market ! Spoiler alert no matter where you are in the world - you can invest in other countries stock markets - so the American stock market is not your economy more than it is mine - as long as they don’t contribute to your society paying taxes etc. - and them not doing that and gaming your system to their advantage is the only reason they are rich and are big companies in the first place (because your system is made by idiots, for idiots and defended and upheld by idiots) — oh yeah and also because of AI - so the market price in a future that will make you obsolete for profit ! Well hurray for that 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2026 - 3:00 AM ET #6

    I am reserving my opinion on whether President Trump is a "Wartime  President".........

    I keep thinking of that part from the "Godfather".............. Tom Hagen:  Michael, why am I out?   Michael:  You're not a wartime consigliere, Tom.

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    I am reserving my opinion on whether President Trump is a "Wartime  President".........

    I keep thinking of that part from the "Godfather".............. Tom Hagen:  Michael, why am I out?   Michael:  You're not a wartime consigliere, Tom.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2026 - 6:31 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    @benhogan76    Under President Trump’s leadership, this FBI delivered the most prolific year of crime reduction in U.S. history. ?? Murder rate DOWN 20%  Carjacking DOWN 47%  Robbery DOWN 17%  57,000+ criminal arrests  54,000+ violent crime arrests  11,000+ child victims located   14,756+ pedophiles arrested in the act   5,000+ predators and traffickers arrested  3,258+ kg of fentanyl seized Eight of the top 10 most wanted fugitives on Earth — off the board.
    That number would be much higher if they weren’t protecting everyone associated with Epstein.  Mind you they wouldn’t be caught in the act but still seems like a worthy pursuit.  

     I noticed that you didn’t mention anything about the economy confused  U.S. is hottest country in the worldan_light What other country could give out dividends of 1.35 trillion dollars while having a national debt of 40 trillion? win

    We should stop eating bananas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    @benhogan76    Under President Trump’s leadership, this FBI delivered the most prolific year of crime reduction in U.S. history. ?? Murder rate DOWN 20%  Carjacking DOWN 47%  Robbery DOWN 17%  57,000+ criminal arrests  54,000+ violent crime arrests  11,000+ child victims located   14,756+ pedophiles arrested in the act   5,000+ predators and traffickers arrested  3,258+ kg of fentanyl seized Eight of the top 10 most wanted fugitives on Earth — off the board.
    That number would be much higher if they weren’t protecting everyone associated with Epstein.  Mind you they wouldn’t be caught in the act but still seems like a worthy pursuit.  

     I noticed that you didn’t mention anything about the economy confused  U.S. is hottest country in the worldan_light What other country could give out dividends of 1.35 trillion dollars while having a national debt of 40 trillion? win

     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2026 - 8:43 AM ET #8

    @benhogan76

     

     I noticed that you didn’t mention anything about the economy confused  U.S. is hottest country in the worldan_light What other country could give out dividends of 1.35 trillion dollars while having a national debt of 40 trillion? win

     

    Has to be the hottest in the world to do that...fo sizzle..

    I really don't have a feel the economy as much as I use ,,,,to since about 10 years ago I got completely out of any investments in the market

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    @benhogan76

     

     I noticed that you didn’t mention anything about the economy confused  U.S. is hottest country in the worldan_light What other country could give out dividends of 1.35 trillion dollars while having a national debt of 40 trillion? win

     

    Has to be the hottest in the world to do that...fo sizzle..

    I really don't have a feel the economy as much as I use ,,,,to since about 10 years ago I got completely out of any investments in the market

     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2026 - 8:46 AM ET #9

    I have to admit that when the Market is hot and going up ..i think I could be on that ...However with my investments in low risk high as I can get interest ...Iam doing just fine,,

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    I have to admit that when the Market is hot and going up ..i think I could be on that ...However with my investments in low risk high as I can get interest ...Iam doing just fine,,

     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2026 - 9:06 AM ET #10

    Democrats are going to fix affordability by raising everyone's taxes.   That will definitely help everyone.   

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    Democrats are going to fix affordability by raising everyone's taxes.   That will definitely help everyone.   

     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2026 - 12:47 PM ET #11

    U.S. real wages have been rising recently.

    Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy.

    The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point.

    There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level.

    But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers.

    Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021.

    The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations.

    So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.

     

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    U.S. real wages have been rising recently.

    Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy.

    The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point.

    There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level.

    But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers.

    Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021.

    The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations.

    So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2026 - 6:20 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.
    Is that what is being said?

    We should stop eating bananas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.
    Is that what is being said?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2026 - 8:50 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

    You grew up around power lines?
    That would explain things. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

    You grew up around power lines?
    That would explain things. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.Is that what is being said?

    No sir. That is what the numbers show.  The news does not headline this.  But this is what is being said by the economic numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.Is that what is being said?

    No sir. That is what the numbers show.  The news does not headline this.  But this is what is being said by the economic numbers.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.

     

    Yes if payment growth doesn’t outperform inflation - that is the definition of economic decline ! thejester - btw it is hard arguing with GDP numbers when you also are the only country in the world that borrow at the rate you do - and calculate inflation the way you do - both of which are the main explanation for your GDP growth (because your GDP figure is basically just companies borrowing money and buy stakes in each others companies - your economy is the country equivalent of a bunch of gay guys jerking each other off)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.

     

    Yes if payment growth doesn’t outperform inflation - that is the definition of economic decline ! thejester - btw it is hard arguing with GDP numbers when you also are the only country in the world that borrow at the rate you do - and calculate inflation the way you do - both of which are the main explanation for your GDP growth (because your GDP figure is basically just companies borrowing money and buy stakes in each others companies - your economy is the country equivalent of a bunch of gay guys jerking each other off)

     
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    If you want your real GDP growth numbers you should also factor in the rate your companies borrow money and also your population (that is maxing out their credit cards all of which fuels your GDP) - both of which hasn’t been higher in my lifetime - and of course also calculate inflation the same way as everyone else (this is probably the biggest one) that you can keep the wheels running - on borrowed money is hardly impressive - it will at least not get my applause ! So don’t wait for that an_popcorn

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    If you want your real GDP growth numbers you should also factor in the rate your companies borrow money and also your population (that is maxing out their credit cards all of which fuels your GDP) - both of which hasn’t been higher in my lifetime - and of course also calculate inflation the same way as everyone else (this is probably the biggest one) that you can keep the wheels running - on borrowed money is hardly impressive - it will at least not get my applause ! So don’t wait for that an_popcorn

     
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     Yes if payment growth doesn’t outperform inflation - that is the definition of economic decline ! 

    Correct -- to a point.  But it is not the definition of economic decline. When it does outperform inflation it is also a sign of growth -- to a point.  But it is not the definition of economic growth.

    That is why I pointed out: Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation.

    peace_5

    If you want your real GDP growth numbers you should also factor in the rate your companies borrow money and also your population (that is maxing out their credit cards all of which fuels your GDP)

    Real GDP already accounts for inflation.  So you do not subtract borrowing costs or population from real GDP to "get" real GDP.

    Population can also show a different perspective.  That is why we sometimes will use:  GDP per capita at PPP, which will adjust for variance in price levels.  Looking at it this way the USA is around 11th.  For comparison, Lichenstein would be first and UAE would be 12th, China would be around 85th, India about 133rd, and Germany around 24th.

    So, there are some nuanced ways to view it for sure.  But by all of those standards it has been growing.

    peace_5

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     Yes if payment growth doesn’t outperform inflation - that is the definition of economic decline ! 

    Correct -- to a point.  But it is not the definition of economic decline. When it does outperform inflation it is also a sign of growth -- to a point.  But it is not the definition of economic growth.

    That is why I pointed out: Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation.

    peace_5

    If you want your real GDP growth numbers you should also factor in the rate your companies borrow money and also your population (that is maxing out their credit cards all of which fuels your GDP)

    Real GDP already accounts for inflation.  So you do not subtract borrowing costs or population from real GDP to "get" real GDP.

    Population can also show a different perspective.  That is why we sometimes will use:  GDP per capita at PPP, which will adjust for variance in price levels.  Looking at it this way the USA is around 11th.  For comparison, Lichenstein would be first and UAE would be 12th, China would be around 85th, India about 133rd, and Germany around 24th.

    So, there are some nuanced ways to view it for sure.  But by all of those standards it has been growing.

    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.   Yes if payment growth doesn’t outperform inflation - that is the definition of economic decline !  - btw it is hard arguing with GDP numbers when you also are the only country in the world that borrow at the rate you do - and calculate inflation the way you do - both of which are the main explanation for your GDP growth (because your GDP figure is basically just companies borrowing money and buy stakes in each others companies - your economy is the country equivalent of a bunch of gay guys jerking each other off)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.   Yes if payment growth doesn’t outperform inflation - that is the definition of economic decline !  - btw it is hard arguing with GDP numbers when you also are the only country in the world that borrow at the rate you do - and calculate inflation the way you do - both of which are the main explanation for your GDP growth (because your GDP figure is basically just companies borrowing money and buy stakes in each others companies - your economy is the country equivalent of a bunch of gay guys jerking each other off)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @Calde13  Yes if payment growth doesn’t outperform inflation - that is the definition of economic decline !  Correct -- to a point.  But it is not the definition of economic decline. When it does outperform inflation it is also a sign of growth -- to a point.  But it is not the definition of economic growth. That is why I pointed out: Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. If you want your real GDP growth numbers you should also factor in the rate your companies borrow money and also your population (that is maxing out their credit cards all of which fuels your GDP) Real GDP already accounts for inflation.  So you do not subtract borrowing costs or population from real GDP to "get" real GDP. Population can also show a different perspective.  That is why we sometimes will use:  GDP per capita at PPP, which will adjust for variance in price levels.  Looking at it this way the USA is around 11th.  For comparison, Lichenstein would be first and UAE would be 12th, China would be around 85th, India about 133rd, and Germany around 24th. So, there are some nuanced ways to view it for sure.  But by all of those standards it has been growing.

     

    You factor in product improvement in your inflation numbers - because you use quality-adjusted inflation - of course that scew your numbers when your economy mainly is tech related - and that is also the reason why it is used - if you think it is by mistake you are one of the only countries to use that while simultaneously being the country having its numbers flawed the most by using it is by mistake ! I have a bridge to sell you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @Calde13  Yes if payment growth doesn’t outperform inflation - that is the definition of economic decline !  Correct -- to a point.  But it is not the definition of economic decline. When it does outperform inflation it is also a sign of growth -- to a point.  But it is not the definition of economic growth. That is why I pointed out: Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. If you want your real GDP growth numbers you should also factor in the rate your companies borrow money and also your population (that is maxing out their credit cards all of which fuels your GDP) Real GDP already accounts for inflation.  So you do not subtract borrowing costs or population from real GDP to "get" real GDP. Population can also show a different perspective.  That is why we sometimes will use:  GDP per capita at PPP, which will adjust for variance in price levels.  Looking at it this way the USA is around 11th.  For comparison, Lichenstein would be first and UAE would be 12th, China would be around 85th, India about 133rd, and Germany around 24th. So, there are some nuanced ways to view it for sure.  But by all of those standards it has been growing.

     

    You factor in product improvement in your inflation numbers - because you use quality-adjusted inflation - of course that scew your numbers when your economy mainly is tech related - and that is also the reason why it is used - if you think it is by mistake you are one of the only countries to use that while simultaneously being the country having its numbers flawed the most by using it is by mistake ! I have a bridge to sell you

     
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     The BLS clearly points out that quality inflation is not inherently downward -- it can go in either direction.

    The USA is not the only country that uses this method. This is a pretty standard way several international agencies deal with products and technologies that change.

    The reason this is used is to maintain measurement accuracy as much as possible.  Without this method, using a new and better technology or product to replace an old one would create what is known as fake inflation.  So, this is used to avoid that.

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     The BLS clearly points out that quality inflation is not inherently downward -- it can go in either direction.

    The USA is not the only country that uses this method. This is a pretty standard way several international agencies deal with products and technologies that change.

    The reason this is used is to maintain measurement accuracy as much as possible.  Without this method, using a new and better technology or product to replace an old one would create what is known as fake inflation.  So, this is used to avoid that.

    peace_5

     
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     Your first mistake - believing any government generated economic reports.

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     Your first mistake - believing any government generated economic reports.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.Is that what is being said? No sir. That is what the numbers show.  The news does not headline this.  But this is what is being said by the economic numbers.
    What is this administration saying?

    We should stop eating bananas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.Is that what is being said? No sir. That is what the numbers show.  The news does not headline this.  But this is what is being said by the economic numbers.
    What is this administration saying?

     
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    @Raiders22  Your first mistake - believing any government generated economic reports.


    Why?  You understand how easily and quickly we would pick it apart if it was not easily verifiable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    @Raiders22  Your first mistake - believing any government generated economic reports.


    Why?  You understand how easily and quickly we would pick it apart if it was not easily verifiable?

    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.Is that what is being said? No sir. That is what the numbers show.  The news does not headline this.  But this is what is being said by the economic numbers.What is this administration saying?

    Who cares?  I prefer what the data actually says. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: U.S. real wages have been rising recently. Even if real wages were falling, that wouldn't be the “definition” of a declining economy. The U.S. actually had a 2.7% year-over-year real GDP growth in Q1 2026, the strongest annual growth among the G7 at that point. There are legitimate reasons to criticize the U.S. economy: the OECD says U.S. labor-market tightness has weakened, employment growth has slowed, and real wages remain below their 2021 level. But only South Korean is really having a solid growth over the 2021 numbers. Real wages in the USA increased 0.6% over the year to Q1 2026, so it is definitely wrong to say USA wages haven't been beating inflation. But real wages were still 1.4% below Q1 2021. The August jobs report was fairly strong as well.  It was the largest gain in five months and substantially exceeded expectations. So, you could word it as not booming nor collapsing.  But you can certainly say it has shown signs of stabilization and reaccelration.Is that what is being said? No sir. That is what the numbers show.  The news does not headline this.  But this is what is being said by the economic numbers.What is this administration saying?

    Who cares?  I prefer what the data actually says. 
    peace_5

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @jpot34 Quote Originally Posted by jpot34: @Raiders22  Your first mistake - believing any government generated economic reports. Why?  You understand how easily and quickly we would pick it apart if it was not easily verifiable?

     

    You are not cooking the books in that sense ! You are doing it like all other third world governments cook the books - they change what factors they use for their calculations - just like you do with your inflation numbers - that you hire healthcare personnel for instance isn’t good for your economy - yet they are part of your jobnumbers report - why is that ? When you remove all “noise” in reports where you want as low numbers as possible - it is because they want to “fake” your numbers - it is by design - because people like you don’t ask questions about their numbers or when they change in what way they collect and conduct said numbers - which has changed under Trump btw 

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    @jpot34 Quote Originally Posted by jpot34: @Raiders22  Your first mistake - believing any government generated economic reports. Why?  You understand how easily and quickly we would pick it apart if it was not easily verifiable?

     

    You are not cooking the books in that sense ! You are doing it like all other third world governments cook the books - they change what factors they use for their calculations - just like you do with your inflation numbers - that you hire healthcare personnel for instance isn’t good for your economy - yet they are part of your jobnumbers report - why is that ? When you remove all “noise” in reports where you want as low numbers as possible - it is because they want to “fake” your numbers - it is by design - because people like you don’t ask questions about their numbers or when they change in what way they collect and conduct said numbers - which has changed under Trump btw 

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