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#26
Brandon Alberts last 6 games. Dolphins are 6-0 and outscored their opponent 188-70.
You know nothing about the Dolphins 
Why All The Miami Love?
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#27
Miami will have a rematch with NE in January. That game looks more winnable. They also have a rematch with Buffalo the week after this game. I think they do well in this game, but do not cover. In other words, there will not be a complete letdown falling apart and lethargic effort. I think the yardstick for measuring the HC's performance will be in the rematch with division opponents. They can falter here and it is not a bad loss. But in January if NE is undefeated facing Miami the second and final time, they have a shot. I think they lose cover here, but can undo the 41-13 loss (whatever it was) to Buffalo.
The QB Tannerhill is a type of clown. And I look forward to the debacle that will take place. A Thursday PM game in Foxboro will be a good time for a positive performance from the Pats.
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#29
Quote Originally Posted by yzzguy:
HOLY garbage, GOD DAMN relax dude I thought I was the only person in the world to think that the dolphins have an idiot QB I said he will be selling life insurance to all those people down in Miami when they draft him , after his 4th year!! and if that scumbag owner ROSS would finally just sell the team to a real owner then maybe the MIAMI DOLPHINS become relavent once again!!! If Joe Robbie was alive, and if he can see this from his grave I wish that he would go out and haunt that guy till he sells Joe's team to someone that knows something about the history of the Miami Dolphins tradition. keep it up my dude cause someone's gotta make some more noise other then me about drafting a friggin TE as a QB garbage WTF man were you all thinking down there and tannihill if you ever come to my door I would love to say on this public forum what I would do to u so u all can just imagine the worst I can say and do and then X it by a BILLION and that wouldn't even be enough you goofy headed idiot!!!! Go get your Insurance license son cause that's where you are headed next year!!!!
HOLY garbage, GOD DAMN relax dude I thought I was the only person in the world to think that the dolphins have an idiot QB I said he will be selling life insurance to all those people down in Miami when they draft him , after his 4th year!! and if that scumbag owner ROSS would finally just sell the team to a real owner then maybe the MIAMI DOLPHINS become relavent once again!!! If Joe Robbie was alive, and if he can see this from his grave I wish that he would go out and haunt that guy till he sells Joe's team to someone that knows something about the history of the Miami Dolphins tradition. keep it up my dude cause someone's gotta make some more noise other then me about drafting a friggin TE as a QB garbage WTF man were you all thinking down there and tannihill if you ever come to my door I would love to say on this public forum what I would do to u so u all can just imagine the worst I can say and do and then X it by a BILLION and that wouldn't even be enough you goofy headed idiot!!!! Go get your Insurance license son cause that's where you are headed next year!!!!
Yzzguy...... you are so far off that all I can say is WOW. Wake tf@#$ up. You haven't the slightest idea what your talking about. Lmao
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#31
Quote Originally Posted by suuma:
Sorry buddy but that's where I stopped reading. Then I accidentially saw "idiot" QB. Do you follow the NFL at all?
Sorry buddy but that's where I stopped reading. Then I accidentially saw "idiot" QB. Do you follow the NFL at all?
Gee, you're right Suuma, the Dolphins are DANGEROUS with that great qb that they have. How many playoff games have they won in the last 4 years????
Posted:
#32
Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:
Brandon Alberts last 6 games. Dolphins are 6-0 and outscored their opponent 188-70.You know nothing about the Dolphins
Brandon Alberts last 6 games. Dolphins are 6-0 and outscored their opponent 188-70.You know nothing about the Dolphins
Bingo. This is the reason tannehill and that Miami offense has gotten their act together, has nothing to do with the hc change. Albert is perhaps one of the best offensive linemen in the nfl, and unlike ivory they have speed in their backfield, and all over the field. The dolphins are a more talented roster than the jets, and if you don't believe that you'll learn it tomorrow
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#34
Quote Originally Posted by Predictorama:
Gee, you're right Suuma, the Dolphins are DANGEROUS with that great qb that they have. How many playoff games have they won in the last 4 years????
Wow, you're right, Predictorama. Because the Dolphins didn't make a single change in their roster since then, did they? Nor did anyone else in the league?
Please explain how irrelevant examples from past years dictate current match-ups 
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#36
As of right now, Jets vs Miami on a neutral field would be a coin flip. (Slight edge to the Dolphins IMO)
They had the worst coach in all football for too long ! They certainly didn't have the worst team on paper...
We saw the relief in those guys last 2 weeks.
They're playing with a hugeeee energy !
Miami can cover easily with the garbage time, if needed.
Regardless, BOL
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#37
Quote Originally Posted by degengambler34:
Bingo. This is the reason tannehill and that Miami offense has gotten their act together, has nothing to do with the hc change. Albert is perhaps one of the best offensive linemen in the nfl, and unlike ivory they have speed in their backfield, and all over the field. The dolphins are a more talented roster than the jets, and if you don't believe that you'll learn it tomorrow
Bingo. This is the reason tannehill and that Miami offense has gotten their act together, has nothing to do with the hc change. Albert is perhaps one of the best offensive linemen in the nfl, and unlike ivory they have speed in their backfield, and all over the field. The dolphins are a more talented roster than the jets, and if you don't believe that you'll learn it tomorrow
What do you call an Eternal Optimist? An accordion player with a beeper!
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#38
Quote Originally Posted by TheCounselor:
As of right now, Jets vs Miami on a neutral field would be a coin flip. (Slight edge to the Dolphins IMO)
As of right now, Jets vs Miami on a neutral field would be a coin flip. (Slight edge to the Dolphins IMO)
They had the worst coach in all football for too long ! They certainly didn't have the worst team on paper...
We saw the relief in those guys last 2 weeks.
They're playing with a hugeeee energy !
Miami can cover easily with the garbage time, if needed.
Regardless, BOL
I concur to this comment
What do you call an Eternal Optimist? An accordion player with a beeper!
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#40
Tannehill hasn't kept a deficit under 10 points in his career at Gillette (13-41, 17-27, 0-28 were the scores in his three years). He's a Texas kid who goes straight to Miami in the NFL has shown some struggles in cold weather...should be low to mid 40s in Foxboro. Pats dink-and-dunk offensive style should cause Suh and Wake to be non-factors, and I think Miami's linebackers get exposed and worn down throughout the game. I see this being a game where NE scores every possession, while Miami answers only some of the time. Not to mention Belichick will probably do his score right before half and on the opening 2nd half drive stunt that he is best in the biz at. NE 34-20.
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#41
Quote Originally Posted by pdouble:
i think this is an amazing spot for the pats , coming off 2 great wins , but they are discounted . because they didn't cover a big number , coupled with every one falling in lover with miami after two blowout wins , then you factor in the fact that everyone remembers the fins playing the pats tough , but this is foxborough in primetime , and the pats have had back to back pretty terrible 2nd halfs, i expect them to run up the score if they get the chance
i think this is an amazing spot for the pats , coming off 2 great wins , but they are discounted . because they didn't cover a big number , coupled with every one falling in lover with miami after two blowout wins , then you factor in the fact that everyone remembers the fins playing the pats tough , but this is foxborough in primetime , and the pats have had back to back pretty terrible 2nd halfs, i expect them to run up the score if they get the chance
Also very much agree with pdouble that Miami's stock is far too high right now after blowout wins against a high school Texans squad and an injured-Mariota Tennessee
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#42
If Tennessee and Houston are trash teams than you might as well throw the Pats D in with them because they're all trash defensively.
Tennessee gives up 4.4 yards per rush. Trash right?
Houston gives up 4.6 yards per rush. Super trash right?
New England gives up 4.5 yards per rush. But Pats aren't trash, right?
Tennessee is 2nd in Passing defense when it comes to total yards and yards per game. But that's trash right?
Houston is 15th in yards per game. Trash.
Patriots? 18th in yards per game. But that's not trash, that's the Pats.
No one is saying the Patriots aren't going to score, the argument for Miami covering is the fact that the Patriots defense isn't very good. Also, yes, their O-line is weak; but those "trash" high school defenses are statistically the same, if not better, than the Patriots!!
Posted:
#43
Thanks UpperEchelon, I did take a peek at Suuma's post on the other thread as you suggested and appreciate what he is saying. I understand people trying to back Miami in this game and I know they have a solid pass rush and I have a very high opinion of Tannehill (he is a way better QB than most would give him credit for). I certainly don't see this as easy money for those picking the Patriots (having to cover more than a TD isn't easy for anyone), but I was just saying to those backing Miami that caution is key here. I personally wouldn't be looking too much into the last 2 weeks for Miami as I just see a team that is too unpredictable to take confidently. New coach (yes I realize he is not new to the team, but new to the HC role), all fired up, off 2 blowout wins, then I look back and see losses to the Jags, Bills, and Jets. I guess I'm saying if you pick Miami to win tonight or to cover you are hoping that their very recent trend of playing extremely well continues tonight and they don't revert to how they have shown they are capable of playing early in the season. NE hasn't shown that sort of weakness YET, and has put up 28+ points in all 6 of their games this year. That's consistency and I would rather back that, than a team having a hot streak of 2 games (granted, Miami has had a fantastic 2 week 'streak'). As for those stating NE hasn't faced a pass rush like the one Miami can generate, I really don't see that as being a factor in this game. Brady needs a clean pocket to operate, BUT only needs it for a very short time. Shallow crossing routes, pick/rub plays, screens, and slants over the middle which are the majority of NE's attack don't need time to develop, and that in my mind neutralizes a good pass-rush. I think NE has looked at their division and realized teams are investing in pass-rushers so they can rush without having to blitz and bring extra personnel, and NE has simply found a way around it and proven they are again a step ahead of the league. I think they have learned a lot from the past and realized that the times their offense has broken down has been when teams are able to generate pressure on Brady without committing extra personnel. Rather than spending a ton of money on O-line, they just shortened the amount of time between the snap and release of the ball. Simple solution and effective since teams seem okay with allowing 4 yard passes on first down. I would argue there's this perception that you can't allow more than 3 yards per rush on first/second down when a team rushes against you since you are putting them in manageable 3rd down situations consistently. Why is it then okay to allow 4 yards on a catch on 1st/2nd down? Yards are yards no matter how you get them, and while throwing has more risk than running, NE seems comfortable taking those small gains almost in lieu of running the ball, and putting themselves in manageable 3rd down spots. I'm not a NE fan (I have the misfortune of being a Chargers fan), but I have tremendous respect for their willingness to experiment and stay flexible while so many teams seem stuck in their current mindsets. As I said before this is not a game where I would feel super comfortable picking the Patriots-7.5 or more, since anything more than a TD is difficult for any team, but I would feel comfortable teasing this game down to Pats-2 or picking them on ML. Best of luck to all! Let's enjoy the game tonight regardless of what happens.
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#46
Quote Originally Posted by JerryWrasse:
There is no way the line should be 13. I know the rankings say 13 but realistically there is no way bookmakers set that line. The original line was 6, shifted to 10 and back down to 8.
Line is all over the place because the Books and early bettors don't know which Tom Brady or NE Pats team are going to show up. There is no way the line should be 13. I know the rankings say 13 but realistically there is no way bookmakers set that line. The original line was 6, shifted to 10 and back down to 8.
Ditto the Fish after new HC two impressive wins against OK teams - can they keep it up in Foxboro?
Brady and crew even in a shoot out, AT HOME, can run up the score - they are capable, we all know that.
But will they? No one knows which is why this game is a crap shoot.
Not to take anything away from Miami who is more than a worthy divisional opponent here tonight.
Fish just look too easy if you're an Xs and Os guy.
Gun to my head? The question I always ask is "who will win their bets tonight the Joes or the Pros?"
I think the Joes - are they on Miami? I don't think so.
Gun to my head: Pats -8½
I took the Fish this morning +10½ on the buy (-115) and if I see 8 out there later I'll go for a middle.
CRAP SHOOT, me thinks - take whatever small, enjoy the game, drink a few scotches, smoke a cigar and chase women.
GLTA
The pen is mightier than the pigs
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#47
Quote Originally Posted by Humchucker:
Thanks UpperEchelon, I did take a peek at Suuma's post on the other thread as you suggested and appreciate what he is saying. I understand people trying to back Miami in this game and I know they have a solid pass rush and I have a very high opinion of Tannehill (he is a way better QB than most would give him credit for). I certainly don't see this as easy money for those picking the Patriots (having to cover more than a TD isn't easy for anyone), but I was just saying to those backing Miami that caution is key here. I personally wouldn't be looking too much into the last 2 weeks for Miami as I just see a team that is too unpredictable to take confidently. New coach (yes I realize he is not new to the team, but new to the HC role), all fired up, off 2 blowout wins, then I look back and see losses to the Jags, Bills, and Jets. I guess I'm saying if you pick Miami to win tonight or to cover you are hoping that their very recent trend of playing extremely well continues tonight and they don't revert to how they have shown they are capable of playing early in the season. NE hasn't shown that sort of weakness YET, and has put up 28+ points in all 6 of their games this year. That's consistency and I would rather back that, than a team having a hot streak of 2 games (granted, Miami has had a fantastic 2 week 'streak'). As for those stating NE hasn't faced a pass rush like the one Miami can generate, I really don't see that as being a factor in this game. Brady needs a clean pocket to operate, BUT only needs it for a very short time. Shallow crossing routes, pick/rub plays, screens, and slants over the middle which are the majority of NE's attack don't need time to develop, and that in my mind neutralizes a good pass-rush. I think NE has looked at their division and realized teams are investing in pass-rushers so they can rush without having to blitz and bring extra personnel, and NE has simply found a way around it and proven they are again a step ahead of the league. I think they have learned a lot from the past and realized that the times their offense has broken down has been when teams are able to generate pressure on Brady without committing extra personnel. Rather than spending a ton of money on O-line, they just shortened the amount of time between the snap and release of the ball. Simple solution and effective since teams seem okay with allowing 4 yard passes on first down. I would argue there's this perception that you can't allow more than 3 yards per rush on first/second down when a team rushes against you since you are putting them in manageable 3rd down situations consistently. Why is it then okay to allow 4 yards on a catch on 1st/2nd down? Yards are yards no matter how you get them, and while throwing has more risk than running, NE seems comfortable taking those small gains almost in lieu of running the ball, and putting themselves in manageable 3rd down spots. I'm not a NE fan (I have the misfortune of being a Chargers fan), but I have tremendous respect for their willingness to experiment and stay flexible while so many teams seem stuck in their current mindsets. As I said before this is not a game where I would feel super comfortable picking the Patriots-7.5 or more, since anything more than a TD is difficult for any team, but I would feel comfortable teasing this game down to Pats-2 or picking them on ML. Best of luck to all! Let's enjoy the game tonight regardless of what happens.
Thanks UpperEchelon, I did take a peek at Suuma's post on the other thread as you suggested and appreciate what he is saying. I understand people trying to back Miami in this game and I know they have a solid pass rush and I have a very high opinion of Tannehill (he is a way better QB than most would give him credit for). I certainly don't see this as easy money for those picking the Patriots (having to cover more than a TD isn't easy for anyone), but I was just saying to those backing Miami that caution is key here. I personally wouldn't be looking too much into the last 2 weeks for Miami as I just see a team that is too unpredictable to take confidently. New coach (yes I realize he is not new to the team, but new to the HC role), all fired up, off 2 blowout wins, then I look back and see losses to the Jags, Bills, and Jets. I guess I'm saying if you pick Miami to win tonight or to cover you are hoping that their very recent trend of playing extremely well continues tonight and they don't revert to how they have shown they are capable of playing early in the season. NE hasn't shown that sort of weakness YET, and has put up 28+ points in all 6 of their games this year. That's consistency and I would rather back that, than a team having a hot streak of 2 games (granted, Miami has had a fantastic 2 week 'streak'). As for those stating NE hasn't faced a pass rush like the one Miami can generate, I really don't see that as being a factor in this game. Brady needs a clean pocket to operate, BUT only needs it for a very short time. Shallow crossing routes, pick/rub plays, screens, and slants over the middle which are the majority of NE's attack don't need time to develop, and that in my mind neutralizes a good pass-rush. I think NE has looked at their division and realized teams are investing in pass-rushers so they can rush without having to blitz and bring extra personnel, and NE has simply found a way around it and proven they are again a step ahead of the league. I think they have learned a lot from the past and realized that the times their offense has broken down has been when teams are able to generate pressure on Brady without committing extra personnel. Rather than spending a ton of money on O-line, they just shortened the amount of time between the snap and release of the ball. Simple solution and effective since teams seem okay with allowing 4 yard passes on first down. I would argue there's this perception that you can't allow more than 3 yards per rush on first/second down when a team rushes against you since you are putting them in manageable 3rd down situations consistently. Why is it then okay to allow 4 yards on a catch on 1st/2nd down? Yards are yards no matter how you get them, and while throwing has more risk than running, NE seems comfortable taking those small gains almost in lieu of running the ball, and putting themselves in manageable 3rd down spots. I'm not a NE fan (I have the misfortune of being a Chargers fan), but I have tremendous respect for their willingness to experiment and stay flexible while so many teams seem stuck in their current mindsets. As I said before this is not a game where I would feel super comfortable picking the Patriots-7.5 or more, since anything more than a TD is difficult for any team, but I would feel comfortable teasing this game down to Pats-2 or picking them on ML. Best of luck to all! Let's enjoy the game tonight regardless of what happens.
What a good read. Keep posting brother
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#48
Humchuker, I don't disagree with anything you said about the Pats offense. I see them scoring points.
As you said though, -7.5 is a lot for any team to cover, and with the Pats defense the way it is I just don't trust it. I agree that teasing down the points, or taking the Pats ML is a safe bet.
Should be a good game, can't wait to see what happens. Best of luck to your bets.
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#49
1) Pretty decent pass rush from MIA--few sacks, out of pocket passes
2) Good shutdown of Gronkowski
Other than that,
Edleman dominant; Tannehill unable to chip away at a two score deficit in obvious pass downs/situatins
BUT...I think I saw enough to back them potentially in January i F fGAME IS MEANINGLESS FOR PATS
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