There are winners in life and there are losers in life. This team is a loser in life. DET@DAL
so because in the past, dallas are "winners", and detroit are "losers", they will lose?
so because in the past, dallas are "winners", and detroit are "losers", they will lose?
i dont follow gridiron in any way,shape or form,scalabrine...just watching from the sidelines and playing devils advocate here a bit.....but doesnt detroit have a more talented,well-rounded(tho limited offensively to be fair)team than they have had at almost any time in their history??thereby making their losing history a moot point to at least some degree??
Yes, of course Detroit is more well-rounded and their D is likely the best they've ever had.
And I say to that, look at the season they had and the spot they are in and what is on the other side of the field.
Where are the wins of note?
Giants? In the worst spot of the year for them? A team that lost 7 in a row, including a gift-wrapped game to the atrocious jags.
The Jets. Need I say more?
Atl/New Orleans. And on and on and on.
They had exactly ONE impressive win...over Green Bay. And then when they played them for all the marbles Green Bay in Week 3 took their lunch money and left them in the gutter.
Make no mistake, they deserve to be here Melos. I just can't see them beating a Dallas team that is legit. They roll the bad teams and have had one of, if not the most impressive win of the year in Seattle.
So I don't have them winning. That makes the number the only thing of note. It's big. You don't give 7 out in the playoffs like candy. But these final few weeks to end the season, I see a Lions team that has lost its mojo enough for me to lay the TD.
And your Kings analogy is understood. But this Detroit team is on the road against the cream of the crop of Wild Card teams. They are on the road. It's Stafford who can turn the ball over at a moment's notice.
Dallas hasn't come this far and worked this hard to lose to a team that hasn't won a playoff game since George Bush was president.
And not Bush/Cheney. I'm talking Bush/Quayle! And many here have no idea who Quayle even is! It was that long ago.![]()
i dont follow gridiron in any way,shape or form,scalabrine...just watching from the sidelines and playing devils advocate here a bit.....but doesnt detroit have a more talented,well-rounded(tho limited offensively to be fair)team than they have had at almost any time in their history??thereby making their losing history a moot point to at least some degree??
Yes, of course Detroit is more well-rounded and their D is likely the best they've ever had.
And I say to that, look at the season they had and the spot they are in and what is on the other side of the field.
Where are the wins of note?
Giants? In the worst spot of the year for them? A team that lost 7 in a row, including a gift-wrapped game to the atrocious jags.
The Jets. Need I say more?
Atl/New Orleans. And on and on and on.
They had exactly ONE impressive win...over Green Bay. And then when they played them for all the marbles Green Bay in Week 3 took their lunch money and left them in the gutter.
Make no mistake, they deserve to be here Melos. I just can't see them beating a Dallas team that is legit. They roll the bad teams and have had one of, if not the most impressive win of the year in Seattle.
So I don't have them winning. That makes the number the only thing of note. It's big. You don't give 7 out in the playoffs like candy. But these final few weeks to end the season, I see a Lions team that has lost its mojo enough for me to lay the TD.
And your Kings analogy is understood. But this Detroit team is on the road against the cream of the crop of Wild Card teams. They are on the road. It's Stafford who can turn the ball over at a moment's notice.
Dallas hasn't come this far and worked this hard to lose to a team that hasn't won a playoff game since George Bush was president.
And not Bush/Cheney. I'm talking Bush/Quayle! And many here have no idea who Quayle even is! It was that long ago.![]()
This mush fraud is the worst capper on Covers
Accept he practically called the Jets Fins game from opening kick to finish.
Go find a thread where a guy types:
Det +7 and doesn't even spell the entire word all without a mustard seed of analysis and go trust his pick instead. He's quite the capper!
This mush fraud is the worst capper on Covers
Accept he practically called the Jets Fins game from opening kick to finish.
Go find a thread where a guy types:
Det +7 and doesn't even spell the entire word all without a mustard seed of analysis and go trust his pick instead. He's quite the capper!
Excuse me.
Now you've not only admitted I didn't say Lacy was Murray but now you further insinuate something I didn't say either.
In the biggest game of the year for the NFC North title, Detroit was run on. That was a big function of the Packers success. It says something to all the people lauding the Lions Run D like it's unstoppable who clearly want to forget this.
This game is bigger, is the third road game for Det in a row, with a running back who is clearly better. It's an observation. You draw your own conclusions (which will likely be erroneous once again).
Excuse me.
Now you've not only admitted I didn't say Lacy was Murray but now you further insinuate something I didn't say either.
In the biggest game of the year for the NFC North title, Detroit was run on. That was a big function of the Packers success. It says something to all the people lauding the Lions Run D like it's unstoppable who clearly want to forget this.
This game is bigger, is the third road game for Det in a row, with a running back who is clearly better. It's an observation. You draw your own conclusions (which will likely be erroneous once again).
Wait, I haven't read a single post in this thread yet, but have to chime in. As a life long Dallas Cowboy fan, I am so thankful to play a team in the playoffs that actually takes the focus off of how big of a loserish cross-section of society that Dallas Cowboy fans are.
Because this post MUST be about how Detroit Lions are just a franchise mired in mediocrity (on their good years), right? I'm serious, I didn't read it yet.
Either way, calling either team a "loser" is probably pretty accurate.
I am going to read it now...........
Boy, they come in all shapes, sizes and levels of stupidity, don't they.
Wait, I haven't read a single post in this thread yet, but have to chime in. As a life long Dallas Cowboy fan, I am so thankful to play a team in the playoffs that actually takes the focus off of how big of a loserish cross-section of society that Dallas Cowboy fans are.
Because this post MUST be about how Detroit Lions are just a franchise mired in mediocrity (on their good years), right? I'm serious, I didn't read it yet.
Either way, calling either team a "loser" is probably pretty accurate.
I am going to read it now...........
Boy, they come in all shapes, sizes and levels of stupidity, don't they.
Scal, I don't see Dallas losing here and I've tried discussing it with those on Detroit. History plays a part, and those counting on Dallas to choke can't tell us why (for the love of god) Detroit (the biggest losers in the NFL, as you point out) are ready to win a playoff game. Not to mention, that o-line is fantastic and I think Romo gets time and Murray gets holes tomorrow. I still don't like that number, however. Especially not when I can tease it with almost any 76ers or knicks game (god do I love tanking) and get a guaranteed cover!
BB I have it straight up and teased it with multiple bowl games. Glad to see you are on the same side.
It's a tough number, but I'm not going to take it because the Lions won't win. Therefore, you are trying to middle a loss with 7. That is tough to do when you can't win. If the Lions had a shot to win this game, I wouldn't lay this kind of number.
Scal, I don't see Dallas losing here and I've tried discussing it with those on Detroit. History plays a part, and those counting on Dallas to choke can't tell us why (for the love of god) Detroit (the biggest losers in the NFL, as you point out) are ready to win a playoff game. Not to mention, that o-line is fantastic and I think Romo gets time and Murray gets holes tomorrow. I still don't like that number, however. Especially not when I can tease it with almost any 76ers or knicks game (god do I love tanking) and get a guaranteed cover!
BB I have it straight up and teased it with multiple bowl games. Glad to see you are on the same side.
It's a tough number, but I'm not going to take it because the Lions won't win. Therefore, you are trying to middle a loss with 7. That is tough to do when you can't win. If the Lions had a shot to win this game, I wouldn't lay this kind of number.
Every time I feel great (like now) about the Cowboys and want to bet them they sh!t the mess kit.
Detroit is WORSE in that regard. You have one of the most inept playoff teams OF ALL TIME on the other side of the ball.
Every time I feel great (like now) about the Cowboys and want to bet them they sh!t the mess kit.
Detroit is WORSE in that regard. You have one of the most inept playoff teams OF ALL TIME on the other side of the ball.
IF the Cowboys win and cover, I will be back here on Monday to congratulate you. You know that.
As always, it was a very good read. But I think you were missing a few things when comparing the seasons of both teams and comparing Tony Romo/Matthew Stafford:
1. The Detroit Lions had injury troubles all season long. Their #1 RB had just 72 carries this season while their #1 WR and probably best WR in the league has been injured for a few games and has obviously been dealing with that injury in terms of lack of form/fitness. Yet they were playing in the "AFC North Title Game".
Good point. I'll concede that.
2. Tony Romo has a MUCH better o-line than Matthew Stafford and his offense was at complete strength during the whole season when I remember right. He - probably - had the best running game of all teams taking pressure off him. Nevertheless, he posted an interception rate (interceptions/attempts) of 0.1% worse than Matthew Stafford. With the interception rate of 2.0%, Matthew Stafford is #6 in the league.
Ok, but come on now. If we microanalyze any player in that regard we can find flaws, possibly severe ones. It's a bit much to say that about Romo given the season he just had.
3. You mentioned that Stafford came down from his INTs but had fumbled the ball more often. Well that's most likely a product of having a mediocre o-line and how much pressure you get from the opposite d-line. When talking about fumbles, we have to focus on the whole offense, and look there: The Detroit Lions have an offensive fumble percentage of 1.9%, just 0.1% better than the Cowboys. Want a comparison between both QBs ? Tony Romo fumbled the football six times this season, compared to Stafford's eight, while playing one game less and having 167 pass attempts less to face pressure by the d-line.
Ok, conceded again. But that O-Line as a whole, being so poor will plague Stafford at the worst possible time.![]()
IF the Cowboys win and cover, I will be back here on Monday to congratulate you. You know that.
As always, it was a very good read. But I think you were missing a few things when comparing the seasons of both teams and comparing Tony Romo/Matthew Stafford:
1. The Detroit Lions had injury troubles all season long. Their #1 RB had just 72 carries this season while their #1 WR and probably best WR in the league has been injured for a few games and has obviously been dealing with that injury in terms of lack of form/fitness. Yet they were playing in the "AFC North Title Game".
Good point. I'll concede that.
2. Tony Romo has a MUCH better o-line than Matthew Stafford and his offense was at complete strength during the whole season when I remember right. He - probably - had the best running game of all teams taking pressure off him. Nevertheless, he posted an interception rate (interceptions/attempts) of 0.1% worse than Matthew Stafford. With the interception rate of 2.0%, Matthew Stafford is #6 in the league.
Ok, but come on now. If we microanalyze any player in that regard we can find flaws, possibly severe ones. It's a bit much to say that about Romo given the season he just had.
3. You mentioned that Stafford came down from his INTs but had fumbled the ball more often. Well that's most likely a product of having a mediocre o-line and how much pressure you get from the opposite d-line. When talking about fumbles, we have to focus on the whole offense, and look there: The Detroit Lions have an offensive fumble percentage of 1.9%, just 0.1% better than the Cowboys. Want a comparison between both QBs ? Tony Romo fumbled the football six times this season, compared to Stafford's eight, while playing one game less and having 167 pass attempts less to face pressure by the d-line.
Ok, conceded again. But that O-Line as a whole, being so poor will plague Stafford at the worst possible time.![]()
Nice write up as always Scal.
Nice responses BB, messingo, bk alta and others
Anyone else have comments on the game itself? If not please stop posting you pond scum. I come on here to find winners not waste time trading through your internet tough guy garbage
BOL to those in this thread with a brain
Nice write up as always Scal.
Nice responses BB, messingo, bk alta and others
Anyone else have comments on the game itself? If not please stop posting you pond scum. I come on here to find winners not waste time trading through your internet tough guy garbage
BOL to those in this thread with a brain
ANYONE can start a thread with 9 halftime bets and go 5-4 or 4-5 or 6-3 or 3-6 etc. without a hint of analysis.
I'd rather LOSE going down with analysis and a pick I researched than pick this half, that half, win lose win lose Central Michigan hail Mary lateral covers yadda yadda yadda.
You're here today and you'll be gone soon enough.
I'll still be here.
ANYONE can start a thread with 9 halftime bets and go 5-4 or 4-5 or 6-3 or 3-6 etc. without a hint of analysis.
I'd rather LOSE going down with analysis and a pick I researched than pick this half, that half, win lose win lose Central Michigan hail Mary lateral covers yadda yadda yadda.
You're here today and you'll be gone soon enough.
I'll still be here.
The real question is which Dallas defense shows up?I personally do not think they have a good one.
And Dallas will show up. They have fought too hard to get here. They have a history, unlike Detroit. It's games like this you can trust them. Now it's just about the number.
The real question is which Dallas defense shows up?I personally do not think they have a good one.
And Dallas will show up. They have fought too hard to get here. They have a history, unlike Detroit. It's games like this you can trust them. Now it's just about the number.
Love seeing a Scal write-up that isn't Jets or Giants. You are on the right side here my man, Dallas wins by 17 or so today.
Love seeing a Scal write-up that isn't Jets or Giants. You are on the right side here my man, Dallas wins by 17 or so today.
I like Dallas for the simple reason that Detroit gives up a lot of points against teams with decent QBs. Throwing the first Det/GB away, the teams with crap QBs..Chi, Minn, TB etc. Yeah Detroit did well. What did NE, GB, NO do to them? I argue that Detroits numbers are inflated. Dallas can score even against good defenses (no game under 10) while detroit struggles (three games they score less then 10) Couple that with a hot Romo and the last time Detroit won a playoff on the road was in 57, this is ano brainer.
I like Dallas for the simple reason that Detroit gives up a lot of points against teams with decent QBs. Throwing the first Det/GB away, the teams with crap QBs..Chi, Minn, TB etc. Yeah Detroit did well. What did NE, GB, NO do to them? I argue that Detroits numbers are inflated. Dallas can score even against good defenses (no game under 10) while detroit struggles (three games they score less then 10) Couple that with a hot Romo and the last time Detroit won a playoff on the road was in 57, this is ano brainer.
Warped, I've been 'hitting games' for years. I don't care to start threads with 50 picks in them so my one pick is magnified like I have my entire bankroll on it. I don't of course. It is one pick. It is win or lose and I don't chase.
You'll be gone like a fart in the wind tomorrow. Seeya.
Warped, I've been 'hitting games' for years. I don't care to start threads with 50 picks in them so my one pick is magnified like I have my entire bankroll on it. I don't of course. It is one pick. It is win or lose and I don't chase.
You'll be gone like a fart in the wind tomorrow. Seeya.
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