I'm not spending the next two weeks arguing with fanboys over this one. I'll be back end of next week. I'll lay anything up to 9.5 with Pittsburgh here.
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I'm not spending the next two weeks arguing with fanboys over this one. I'll be back end of next week. I'll lay anything up to 9.5 with Pittsburgh here.
no.1 defenses against no. 1 offenses, are 9-1 in SB, yes, I know AZ wasn't no 1 offense, but they were top 5, they fit the mold. This game really reminds me of Bucs vs Raiders (no.1 def. vs no.1 off.), blowout, way over total, San Diego, nice weather, outside, little like Tampa, tho' it's cold as shit right now (hey, it's windy and in the 40's, alright I'm a little spoiled with the weather, still f#@$ cold!) Hmm...
"I'm afraid all we may have done is awakened a sleeping giant."
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no.1 defenses against no. 1 offenses, are 9-1 in SB, yes, I know AZ wasn't no 1 offense, but they were top 5, they fit the mold. This game really reminds me of Bucs vs Raiders (no.1 def. vs no.1 off.), blowout, way over total, San Diego, nice weather, outside, little like Tampa, tho' it's cold as shit right now (hey, it's windy and in the 40's, alright I'm a little spoiled with the weather, still f#@$ cold!) Hmm...
Last week, nobody believed in Arizona, now you all expect them to win outright against the Steelers?
Arizona is THE sucker bet of the year.
Betting an underdog getting a TD is a sucker bet?? If this line was -3, would Pitt bet the sucker bet?? If the line was -14.5 would Arizona be a sucker bet?? line is perfect for this game.
Betting the favorite on a neutral field with a suspect offense vs a veteran qb with weapons is a recipe for disaster.
But hey, what do I know.
Pitt all the way.
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Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:
Last week, nobody believed in Arizona, now you all expect them to win outright against the Steelers?
Arizona is THE sucker bet of the year.
Betting an underdog getting a TD is a sucker bet?? If this line was -3, would Pitt bet the sucker bet?? If the line was -14.5 would Arizona be a sucker bet?? line is perfect for this game.
Betting the favorite on a neutral field with a suspect offense vs a veteran qb with weapons is a recipe for disaster.
before anything started, the AFC was -3. So, its only +4 pts.
The games I can think of, that Pitt was suspect on O were....Balt (2x), Gmen, Pitt and Tenn. If someone wants to put Zona, in that category, be my guest. Also, remember, so far Pitt has scored a TD with its ST and D. You can literally win a came with your D/St, not too many win with just O unless they score everytime they have the ball and have it last.
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before anything started, the AFC was -3. So, its only +4 pts.
The games I can think of, that Pitt was suspect on O were....Balt (2x), Gmen, Pitt and Tenn. If someone wants to put Zona, in that category, be my guest. Also, remember, so far Pitt has scored a TD with its ST and D. You can literally win a came with your D/St, not too many win with just O unless they score everytime they have the ball and have it last.
Defense wins games...after EXTENSIVE research I've concluded that the team that scored the fewest points ALWAYS LOST. Look it up!!! You will notice that the winner always out scores the loser. I just don't see the Cards outscoring the Steelers.
Give up the points (7) and go with Pitt.
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Defense wins games...after EXTENSIVE research I've concluded that the team that scored the fewest points ALWAYS LOST. Look it up!!! You will notice that the winner always out scores the loser. I just don't see the Cards outscoring the Steelers.
One thing to clarify about the Cards. They PASS to set up the RUN and not the other way around. Arizona completely understands that they are a passing team first and will come into the game knowing that they have 3 1000 yard receivers that they will use to help set up the run.
Do not think they will come out and try to establish the run, because they won't, they will be coming out with guns a blaz'n...and this success will set up the run like it did last week against Philly...
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One thing to clarify about the Cards. They PASS to set up the RUN and not the other way around. Arizona completely understands that they are a passing team first and will come into the game knowing that they have 3 1000 yard receivers that they will use to help set up the run.
Do not think they will come out and try to establish the run, because they won't, they will be coming out with guns a blaz'n...and this success will set up the run like it did last week against Philly...
This has the same feel to me as the Colts / Bears Super Bowl, everyone lining up to take what looks like a nice TD cushion. Back then it was "the Bears defense will keep it close" and this time it's "Arizona's offense will keep it close" Back then I took the Colts with the best offense in the league, and now I'm going to back the Steelers with the best defense in the league. Both of these games have the same spread and total too, very interesting. Arizona Offense = Bears Defense (strength of those teams) Bears Offense = Arizona Defense (weakness of those teams) Indy Offense = Pittsburgh Defense (strenghth of those teams) Indy Defense = Pittsburgh Offense -- this is where the game was won.
Indy defense had a matchup edge in that game, I think the Pitt offense has the matchup edge here.
Hope that makes sense, that's the parallel I'm trying to draw here.
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This has the same feel to me as the Colts / Bears Super Bowl, everyone lining up to take what looks like a nice TD cushion. Back then it was "the Bears defense will keep it close" and this time it's "Arizona's offense will keep it close" Back then I took the Colts with the best offense in the league, and now I'm going to back the Steelers with the best defense in the league. Both of these games have the same spread and total too, very interesting. Arizona Offense = Bears Defense (strength of those teams) Bears Offense = Arizona Defense (weakness of those teams) Indy Offense = Pittsburgh Defense (strenghth of those teams) Indy Defense = Pittsburgh Offense -- this is where the game was won.
Indy defense had a matchup edge in that game, I think the Pitt offense has the matchup edge here.
Hope that makes sense, that's the parallel I'm trying to draw here.
I don't think Arizona has a good defense. 3 playoff games -
Atlanta played them even, in their house. They got a TD for a turnover on a short filed against a rookie QB, that decided the game. I had Zona there. Atlanta did not run the ball enough. Why make the rookie win the game when you have talent in the backfield? Rookie coaching mistake. Atlanta defense was a joke. Arizona did enough to win.
The game at Carolina was a Panther disaster. Carolina went through them like butter on the opening drive, then Jake happened, and John Fox happened. Panther D is not that good to begin with, they had no chance defending short fields or spending the majority of the game on the field. Why they abandoned the run I'll never understand. Your QB sucked out loud, why not use one of the two top RB's in the NFC to take some pressure off him. I had Carolina, I should have taken the points.
Eagles - I've said all year that this team was a fraud, and that their offense sucked on the road. Westbrook was hurt, and he still ran on them when given the chance. Buckhalter was able to run. Good defenses do not give up 3 unanswered TD's in their house against mediocre offenses, ever. If Warner was passing it against the vs Zona defense Sunday they might have scored 50. McNabb blows, he missed so many open receivers.
Good defenses do not give up 56 & 47 points during the regular season.
Ben likes to throw on the move, Favre fits the description, they scored the 56.
Pitt has had one team crack 30 on them, all the rest were 24 (twice) or less. Teams scored over 30 against the Eagles 4 times, against Arizona 5 times.
Road games for Zona, they've given up
SF - 13 Wash -24 NYJ - 56 Car - 27 Stl - 13 Sea - 20 Phi - 48 NE -47 Car -13
There is nothing good about that.
Arizona has thrived on momentum throughout the postseason, it has been THE deciding factor in all three games. They seized it to start the 2nd half vs Atlanta, they had it in the 1st half against both Carolina & Philly. I don't believe they will be able to do this against Pittsburgh, they are far too talented on both sides of the ball to let a game get out of hand.
Let's face it, with the exception of one game against Carolina, the Cards have been a bad team away from home. And with the exception of one bad half at Tennessee, Pittsburgh has done very well away from Heinz field.
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I don't think Arizona has a good defense. 3 playoff games -
Atlanta played them even, in their house. They got a TD for a turnover on a short filed against a rookie QB, that decided the game. I had Zona there. Atlanta did not run the ball enough. Why make the rookie win the game when you have talent in the backfield? Rookie coaching mistake. Atlanta defense was a joke. Arizona did enough to win.
The game at Carolina was a Panther disaster. Carolina went through them like butter on the opening drive, then Jake happened, and John Fox happened. Panther D is not that good to begin with, they had no chance defending short fields or spending the majority of the game on the field. Why they abandoned the run I'll never understand. Your QB sucked out loud, why not use one of the two top RB's in the NFC to take some pressure off him. I had Carolina, I should have taken the points.
Eagles - I've said all year that this team was a fraud, and that their offense sucked on the road. Westbrook was hurt, and he still ran on them when given the chance. Buckhalter was able to run. Good defenses do not give up 3 unanswered TD's in their house against mediocre offenses, ever. If Warner was passing it against the vs Zona defense Sunday they might have scored 50. McNabb blows, he missed so many open receivers.
Good defenses do not give up 56 & 47 points during the regular season.
Ben likes to throw on the move, Favre fits the description, they scored the 56.
Pitt has had one team crack 30 on them, all the rest were 24 (twice) or less. Teams scored over 30 against the Eagles 4 times, against Arizona 5 times.
Road games for Zona, they've given up
SF - 13 Wash -24 NYJ - 56 Car - 27 Stl - 13 Sea - 20 Phi - 48 NE -47 Car -13
There is nothing good about that.
Arizona has thrived on momentum throughout the postseason, it has been THE deciding factor in all three games. They seized it to start the 2nd half vs Atlanta, they had it in the 1st half against both Carolina & Philly. I don't believe they will be able to do this against Pittsburgh, they are far too talented on both sides of the ball to let a game get out of hand.
Let's face it, with the exception of one game against Carolina, the Cards have been a bad team away from home. And with the exception of one bad half at Tennessee, Pittsburgh has done very well away from Heinz field.
1.Can Ariz stop Pitt running game in first half, if the answer is no
then take Pitt - 7 right now. I say Yes Ariz Defense will stop the run in the 1st half, they have played much better down the stretch !!
2. Ariz can stop the run in the first half. Which team is more likely to take the lead thru the passing game and special teams
If you conclude that Warner is going to make some big plays off Pitt blitz and open up a DD lead then you take Ariz +7 and watch Hightower gain at least some good yardage in the 2nd half as Ariz cinderella story plays out! If you think it is Big ben holding on to the ball and creating big plays then take Pitt - 7. I beleive they both will make plays and the special teams play will be even. I forsee after a back and forth 1st half that pitt will take the lead in the third quater, their defense will make a big stop and then Wille Parker will final make a statement in the game. He will both grind out some yards to control the clock and then make the big play that breaks the game open. Ariz being one dimensial Warner will finaly make the mistake and get picked off or fumble. From their it will be all ball control and defense for Pitt as they win a hard fought super bowl.
I will wait and hope the number drops off that 7 or buy it to 6 pts
trying avoid the back door cover ! conservative bet !!
My bigger bet will be to window this game at @ Pitt pk and Ariz +14 both over 39 pts I beleive the scoring will at least hit 40 pts !!! I will take W Parker over the # of yards on prop bet !!
final score Ariz 20 Pitt 27 !!!
Willie Parker gets the MVP !
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My thoughts...
1.Can Ariz stop Pitt running game in first half, if the answer is no
then take Pitt - 7 right now. I say Yes Ariz Defense will stop the run in the 1st half, they have played much better down the stretch !!
2. Ariz can stop the run in the first half. Which team is more likely to take the lead thru the passing game and special teams
If you conclude that Warner is going to make some big plays off Pitt blitz and open up a DD lead then you take Ariz +7 and watch Hightower gain at least some good yardage in the 2nd half as Ariz cinderella story plays out! If you think it is Big ben holding on to the ball and creating big plays then take Pitt - 7. I beleive they both will make plays and the special teams play will be even. I forsee after a back and forth 1st half that pitt will take the lead in the third quater, their defense will make a big stop and then Wille Parker will final make a statement in the game. He will both grind out some yards to control the clock and then make the big play that breaks the game open. Ariz being one dimensial Warner will finaly make the mistake and get picked off or fumble. From their it will be all ball control and defense for Pitt as they win a hard fought super bowl.
I will wait and hope the number drops off that 7 or buy it to 6 pts
trying avoid the back door cover ! conservative bet !!
My bigger bet will be to window this game at @ Pitt pk and Ariz +14 both over 39 pts I beleive the scoring will at least hit 40 pts !!! I will take W Parker over the # of yards on prop bet !!
HEY BRO, JAMES HAD SOME NICE RUNS AGAINST THE EAGLES RUN D.HE LOOKED 10 YEARS YOUNGER THAN HIS AGE!!!! OR ACRED LIKE IT OR SOMETHING IN THAT LAST GAME THEY PLAYED.ZONA MADE ME BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN SCORE ON ANYONE.YOU HAVE TO GIVE RESPECT TO A QB THAT HAS A SUPER BOWL MVP TROPHY IN HIS KITCHEN.STEELERS ARE A AWSOME VENUE TOO.GOOD LUCK 3AL
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HEY BRO, JAMES HAD SOME NICE RUNS AGAINST THE EAGLES RUN D.HE LOOKED 10 YEARS YOUNGER THAN HIS AGE!!!! OR ACRED LIKE IT OR SOMETHING IN THAT LAST GAME THEY PLAYED.ZONA MADE ME BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN SCORE ON ANYONE.YOU HAVE TO GIVE RESPECT TO A QB THAT HAS A SUPER BOWL MVP TROPHY IN HIS KITCHEN.STEELERS ARE A AWSOME VENUE TOO.GOOD LUCK 3AL
How about Wishenhut taking it to the steelers after thay passed up him and grimm? gotta be something there. this is the o cord that made all the right calls when burgh won it last time.
SO TRUE<THESE TEAMS NO EACH OTHER VERY VERY WELL INSIDE AND OUT!! I THINK THAT SCENARIO RIGHT THERE FAVORS POINTS IN MY HUMBLE OPINION!!
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Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:
How about Wishenhut taking it to the steelers after thay passed up him and grimm? gotta be something there. this is the o cord that made all the right calls when burgh won it last time.
SO TRUE<THESE TEAMS NO EACH OTHER VERY VERY WELL INSIDE AND OUT!! I THINK THAT SCENARIO RIGHT THERE FAVORS POINTS IN MY HUMBLE OPINION!!
Nowhere near making a pick here, just thinking out loud.
Pittsburgh defense is the real deal, one of the best in the last decade. They played one of the toughest schedules in the NFL, and gave up 31 at Tennessee in a bad spot, 24 twice (SD & Indy) and less than that every other time they took the field. They'll be facing a hot offense against the Cardinals, and a QB that excels against the blitz. Forget running against Pittsburgh, it's not going to happen. But can you pass against Pittsburgh? Who gets the advantage in the coaching matchup, they know each other (Wisenhunt) How many can Zona score here? in the 20's, possibly.
I do think the other side of things is a bit lopsided, Steelers offense against the Zona defense. Teams have had little problem moving the ball against them, and doing it quickly at times. Ben has the talent and the personnel to take advantage of this mismatch. Receivers that can make plays after the catch seem to be a problem for Zona, and Heath Miller, Hines Ward (he'll play) and most of all Santonio Holmes can do just that. Ben is good at buying time and finding open receivers, and then he delivers. How many can the Steelers score? Will Tomlin grind it out or go for the kill?
Early lean to Pittsburgh, lots of time to make a decision.
leaning taking AZ, waiting to grab the hook
making a big grab on 7.5 right now, can't really say for certain because i'm kind of a big deal in betting circles
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Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:
Nowhere near making a pick here, just thinking out loud.
Pittsburgh defense is the real deal, one of the best in the last decade. They played one of the toughest schedules in the NFL, and gave up 31 at Tennessee in a bad spot, 24 twice (SD & Indy) and less than that every other time they took the field. They'll be facing a hot offense against the Cardinals, and a QB that excels against the blitz. Forget running against Pittsburgh, it's not going to happen. But can you pass against Pittsburgh? Who gets the advantage in the coaching matchup, they know each other (Wisenhunt) How many can Zona score here? in the 20's, possibly.
I do think the other side of things is a bit lopsided, Steelers offense against the Zona defense. Teams have had little problem moving the ball against them, and doing it quickly at times. Ben has the talent and the personnel to take advantage of this mismatch. Receivers that can make plays after the catch seem to be a problem for Zona, and Heath Miller, Hines Ward (he'll play) and most of all Santonio Holmes can do just that. Ben is good at buying time and finding open receivers, and then he delivers. How many can the Steelers score? Will Tomlin grind it out or go for the kill?
Early lean to Pittsburgh, lots of time to make a decision.
leaning taking AZ, waiting to grab the hook
making a big grab on 7.5 right now, can't really say for certain because i'm kind of a big deal in betting circles
Defense wins games...after EXTENSIVE research I've concluded that the team that scored the fewest points ALWAYS LOST. Look it up!!! You will notice that the winner always out scores the loser. I just don't see the Cards outscoring the Steelers.
Give up the points (7) and go with Pitt.
Wow, what an insightful post.
I agree with your infinite wisdom except for one small thing
I just don't see the Steelers outscoring the Cards
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Quote Originally Posted by JB13372:
Defense wins games...after EXTENSIVE research I've concluded that the team that scored the fewest points ALWAYS LOST. Look it up!!! You will notice that the winner always out scores the loser. I just don't see the Cards outscoring the Steelers.
Give up the points (7) and go with Pitt.
Wow, what an insightful post.
I agree with your infinite wisdom except for one small thing
I just don't see the Steelers outscoring the Cards
BOL 3rd..........Steelers are a strong bet here............I just don't know if I should pull the trigger now at 7 or hope that I can get it at 6.5........I'm startin' ta think this line is guna be the kind that keeps movin in Cards favor even tho the public is all over them tho
I emptied the last of my matchbook account on the Steelers at -6.5, about 7 units worth. You're right about this line, people keep betting Zona and yet the line keeps climbing. This will close at Pitt -7.5 or 8. Don't wait for a better number if you are betting Pitt, you won't get it.
And I still plan on putting another 10 units on the Steelers with my local, anything under -9.5 is good here. I won't be surprised to see all those Arizona teasers get blown up too. Currently leaning to the over, 35-17 Steelers.
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Quote Originally Posted by blckndgldfn:
BOL 3rd..........Steelers are a strong bet here............I just don't know if I should pull the trigger now at 7 or hope that I can get it at 6.5........I'm startin' ta think this line is guna be the kind that keeps movin in Cards favor even tho the public is all over them tho
I emptied the last of my matchbook account on the Steelers at -6.5, about 7 units worth. You're right about this line, people keep betting Zona and yet the line keeps climbing. This will close at Pitt -7.5 or 8. Don't wait for a better number if you are betting Pitt, you won't get it.
And I still plan on putting another 10 units on the Steelers with my local, anything under -9.5 is good here. I won't be surprised to see all those Arizona teasers get blown up too. Currently leaning to the over, 35-17 Steelers.
I emptied the last of my matchbook account on the Steelers at -6.5, about 7 units worth. You're right about this line, people keep betting Zona and yet the line keeps climbing. This will close at Pitt -7.5 or 8. Don't wait for a better number if you are betting Pitt, you won't get it.
And I still plan on putting another 10 units on the Steelers with my local, anything under -9.5 is good here. I won't be surprised to see all those Arizona teasers get blown up too. Currently leaning to the over, 35-17 Steelers.
How do you know ppl are hitting Arizona? Could it be the mad rush of ppl hitting Pitt cause the line continues to climb? Maybe they are trying to grab it before it goes higher. From what I see, ppl are lining up and hitting Pitt just like they were lining up to hit Philly the previous week.
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Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:
I emptied the last of my matchbook account on the Steelers at -6.5, about 7 units worth. You're right about this line, people keep betting Zona and yet the line keeps climbing. This will close at Pitt -7.5 or 8. Don't wait for a better number if you are betting Pitt, you won't get it.
And I still plan on putting another 10 units on the Steelers with my local, anything under -9.5 is good here. I won't be surprised to see all those Arizona teasers get blown up too. Currently leaning to the over, 35-17 Steelers.
How do you know ppl are hitting Arizona? Could it be the mad rush of ppl hitting Pitt cause the line continues to climb? Maybe they are trying to grab it before it goes higher. From what I see, ppl are lining up and hitting Pitt just like they were lining up to hit Philly the previous week.
i just dont see arizona shutting down pittsburghs running game. I believe in the first half u will see a lot of ben in shot gun passing to open up the running game. arizona will try to stop the run first and make ben beat them which he will then they will layoff and pitt will run all over them. good luck i cant wait.
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i just dont see arizona shutting down pittsburghs running game. I believe in the first half u will see a lot of ben in shot gun passing to open up the running game. arizona will try to stop the run first and make ben beat them which he will then they will layoff and pitt will run all over them. good luck i cant wait.
i just dont see arizona shutting down pittsburghs running game. I believe in the first half u will see a lot of ben in shot gun passing to open up the running game. arizona will try to stop the run first and make ben beat them which he will then they will layoff and pitt will run all over them. good luck i cant wait.
Where have you been the last 3 games? Fading Arizona?
Pitt's backer here.
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Quote Originally Posted by jlt9889:
i just dont see arizona shutting down pittsburghs running game. I believe in the first half u will see a lot of ben in shot gun passing to open up the running game. arizona will try to stop the run first and make ben beat them which he will then they will layoff and pitt will run all over them. good luck i cant wait.
Where have you been the last 3 games? Fading Arizona?
I emptied the last of my matchbook account on the Steelers at -6.5, about 7 units worth. You're right about this line, people keep betting Zona and yet the line keeps climbing. This will close at Pitt -7.5 or 8.
Sorry to bust your bubble... but if you think that more people are hitting Zona, then you need to take a deep breathe, count to 10, and then go do some more research...
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Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:
I emptied the last of my matchbook account on the Steelers at -6.5, about 7 units worth. You're right about this line, people keep betting Zona and yet the line keeps climbing. This will close at Pitt -7.5 or 8.
Sorry to bust your bubble... but if you think that more people are hitting Zona, then you need to take a deep breathe, count to 10, and then go do some more research...
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Pitt's backer here. 
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