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    DogbiteWilliams
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2025 - 5:22 PM ET #151

    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    I find it difficult and inconsistent finding info on GTD.  Tht site is frustrating to me.  ON Killer you have 5 free queries in each sport.  see if you can see if the query is 8-47 ATS like i see.

    Yes.  I am annoyed when the query is written correctly, the query results are displayed but the current matchups are missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    I find it difficult and inconsistent finding info on GTD.  Tht site is frustrating to me.  ON Killer you have 5 free queries in each sport.  see if you can see if the query is 8-47 ATS like i see.

    Yes.  I am annoyed when the query is written correctly, the query results are displayed but the current matchups are missing.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2025 - 12:07 AM ET #152

    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    Cases for the Chiefs :   D and playoffs=1 and t:conference!=o:conference and p:points>32     This is 1-4 ats for the dog Eagles. BUT! The one victory for the dog was when their opponent made an appearance in 3+ playoff games the previous season  tpS(playoffs)>2  D and playoffs=1 and t:conference!=o:conference and p:points>32 and opS(playoffs)>2. 1-0 Eagles.   Look we can all find different query results for the team we lick to back.  What I find most trustworthy long term is    pp:F and p:F and F    Bettors that were successful the last 2 weeks betting on one of the best teams in the league get debunked in the Super Bowl.  See the undefeated Patriots  and 14 teams included in the 0-14 results.  I will make the  Chiefs beat me.   One concern in my opinion is the Eagles high output of points last week.  When dogs score 33+ points in the conference final the previous week they are 1-4 ats in the superbowl.   Bettors trust high scoring teams and that can create a false narrative as well.   Bottom line I like the Eagles but can find reasons for the Chiefs.

     

    In yr opinion how many points did the spread tighten in SB bc of PHI's win vs WAS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    Cases for the Chiefs :   D and playoffs=1 and t:conference!=o:conference and p:points>32     This is 1-4 ats for the dog Eagles. BUT! The one victory for the dog was when their opponent made an appearance in 3+ playoff games the previous season  tpS(playoffs)>2  D and playoffs=1 and t:conference!=o:conference and p:points>32 and opS(playoffs)>2. 1-0 Eagles.   Look we can all find different query results for the team we lick to back.  What I find most trustworthy long term is    pp:F and p:F and F    Bettors that were successful the last 2 weeks betting on one of the best teams in the league get debunked in the Super Bowl.  See the undefeated Patriots  and 14 teams included in the 0-14 results.  I will make the  Chiefs beat me.   One concern in my opinion is the Eagles high output of points last week.  When dogs score 33+ points in the conference final the previous week they are 1-4 ats in the superbowl.   Bettors trust high scoring teams and that can create a false narrative as well.   Bottom line I like the Eagles but can find reasons for the Chiefs.

     

    In yr opinion how many points did the spread tighten in SB bc of PHI's win vs WAS?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2025 - 12:12 AM ET #153

    Patrick Mahomes is 100-25 SU

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    Patrick Mahomes is 100-25 SU

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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2025 - 12:43 AM ET #154

    Playoff games above 0.5 EPA/Play: MAHOMES 7

    Brady 3 Allen 3 Peyton 3 Warner 3 Wilson 3 Big Ben 2 Flacco 2 Brees 1 Rodgers 1 Rivers 1

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    Playoff games above 0.5 EPA/Play: MAHOMES 7

    Brady 3 Allen 3 Peyton 3 Warner 3 Wilson 3 Big Ben 2 Flacco 2 Brees 1 Rodgers 1 Rivers 1

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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2025 - 2:31 AM ET #155

    @begginerboy

     

    Mahomes is great in the playoffs, but that is built into the betting line (mostly KC -1.5 or -2).  Based on just the power ratings, respected gentlemen all rate PHL as stronger:

    Ken Massey:

    PHL -3.00, 60% chance of a SU win

    Jeff Sagarin:

    PHL -4.08 on his basic PR, 63% 65% 60% chances of a SU win based on various PRs

    As Joe Fortenbaugh has said on ESPN Bet Live, bettors are basically paying a tax to take KC based on PM's post-season magic.  I have more queries favoring PHL than KC, but it is certainly easy to see KC getting yet another one-score victory.

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    @begginerboy

     

    Mahomes is great in the playoffs, but that is built into the betting line (mostly KC -1.5 or -2).  Based on just the power ratings, respected gentlemen all rate PHL as stronger:

    Ken Massey:

    PHL -3.00, 60% chance of a SU win

    Jeff Sagarin:

    PHL -4.08 on his basic PR, 63% 65% 60% chances of a SU win based on various PRs

    As Joe Fortenbaugh has said on ESPN Bet Live, bettors are basically paying a tax to take KC based on PM's post-season magic.  I have more queries favoring PHL than KC, but it is certainly easy to see KC getting yet another one-score victory.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2025 - 4:58 AM ET #156

    @stinkroach

     my best guess is 3+  but 55 last week was ridiculous.  What if Philly won last week 24-23?  +4 to  +7. ??? 

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    @stinkroach

     my best guess is 3+  but 55 last week was ridiculous.  What if Philly won last week 24-23?  +4 to  +7. ??? 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2025 - 6:43 AM ET #157

    Regardless of the line & basic...teams in their 4th playoff game & were in the playoffs last year:

    tS(playoffs=1)>2 and tpS(playoffs=1)>0

    7-0 s/u...dog or fav

    Philly s/u

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    Regardless of the line & basic...teams in their 4th playoff game & were in the playoffs last year:

    tS(playoffs=1)>2 and tpS(playoffs=1)>0

    7-0 s/u...dog or fav

    Philly s/u

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2025 - 7:39 AM ET #158

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Playoff games above 0.5 EPA/Play: MAHOMES 7 Brady 3 Allen 3 Peyton 3 Warner 3 Wilson 3 Big Ben 2 Flacco 2 Brees 1 Rodgers 1 Rivers 1
    Quote Originally Posted by Riderx:

    Regardless of the line & basic...teams in their 4th playoff game & were in the playoffs last year: tS(playoffs=1)>2 and tpS(playoffs=1)>0 7-0 s/u...dog or fav Philly s/u

    OUTSTANDING.,............Thankyou

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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Playoff games above 0.5 EPA/Play: MAHOMES 7 Brady 3 Allen 3 Peyton 3 Warner 3 Wilson 3 Big Ben 2 Flacco 2 Brees 1 Rodgers 1 Rivers 1
    Quote Originally Posted by Riderx:

    Regardless of the line & basic...teams in their 4th playoff game & were in the playoffs last year: tS(playoffs=1)>2 and tpS(playoffs=1)>0 7-0 s/u...dog or fav Philly s/u

    OUTSTANDING.,............Thankyou

     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2025 - 4:10 PM ET #159

    GL on the big game peace_5peaceclover

    Learn, be content and stay disciplined.
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    GL on the big game peace_5peaceclover

     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2025 - 4:29 PM ET #160

    There are several queries that show PHL is a risky bet coming off that 55-point scoregasm vs. WAS.  This query likes PHL in a likely competitive game (based on the line) because KC's previous game was not a standout DEF effort:

    playoffs = 1 and p:points > 33.5 and opo:points > 26.5 and -4.7 < line < 4.7

    SU:  9-1 (5.5,90.0%)

    ATS:  9-1 (6.3,90.0%)

     

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    There are several queries that show PHL is a risky bet coming off that 55-point scoregasm vs. WAS.  This query likes PHL in a likely competitive game (based on the line) because KC's previous game was not a standout DEF effort:

    playoffs = 1 and p:points > 33.5 and opo:points > 26.5 and -4.7 < line < 4.7

    SU:  9-1 (5.5,90.0%)

    ATS:  9-1 (6.3,90.0%)

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2025 - 4:34 PM ET #161

    Great nuggets gentlemen peace_5clover

    Sip on that plus money honey!
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    Great nuggets gentlemen peace_5clover

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2025 - 3:44 AM ET #162

    PHL's OFF is extremely unbalanced.

    PO = 1 and tS(rushes)/tS(passes) > 1.38   12 games   SU 10-2 (6.5,83.3%), ATS 8-4 (7.1,66.7%)

    PO = 1 and tS(rushes)/tS(passes) < 1.38   534 games   No trends, everything is about 50/50.

    The 2004 PIT, 2005 PIT, 2009 NYJ and 2024 PHL teams were/are extremely unbalanced and skewed toward rushing.  Their opponents ALL knew this and couldn't stop them.  Some RB's are big, fast, powerful and elusive.  Some have coaches with innovative blocking schemes.  Some are blessed with dominant OFF lines.

    Some might actually be able to defeat a dominant DEF coordinator with a great record.

    This game is shaping up to be mighty interesting to the point that I am considering watching it.

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    PHL's OFF is extremely unbalanced.

    PO = 1 and tS(rushes)/tS(passes) > 1.38   12 games   SU 10-2 (6.5,83.3%), ATS 8-4 (7.1,66.7%)

    PO = 1 and tS(rushes)/tS(passes) < 1.38   534 games   No trends, everything is about 50/50.

    The 2004 PIT, 2005 PIT, 2009 NYJ and 2024 PHL teams were/are extremely unbalanced and skewed toward rushing.  Their opponents ALL knew this and couldn't stop them.  Some RB's are big, fast, powerful and elusive.  Some have coaches with innovative blocking schemes.  Some are blessed with dominant OFF lines.

    Some might actually be able to defeat a dominant DEF coordinator with a great record.

    This game is shaping up to be mighty interesting to the point that I am considering watching it.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2025 - 12:34 PM ET #163

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    Hi DBW peace_5

    according to the outputs, youre still allowing lower scoring in previous games to dominate.  Thus the 55 point "scoregasm" becomes irrelevant.  The fact is the 55 point point :"scoregasm" is a main point in my opinion because its such a rarity.  I just the way i see it thru all kinds of data and the data clearly shows when omitting the bigger previous scores its misleading to take Philly. 

     

    playoffs = 1 and p:points >38 and opo:points > 26.5 

     

    the results are 1-1 here when the lines you selected are in place.  I omitted the lines and it 4-5ATS. 

     

    This game according to my data is a fade of Philly and A fade of KC both.  I have found the under however is in play (post #131)

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    Hi DBW peace_5

    according to the outputs, youre still allowing lower scoring in previous games to dominate.  Thus the 55 point "scoregasm" becomes irrelevant.  The fact is the 55 point point :"scoregasm" is a main point in my opinion because its such a rarity.  I just the way i see it thru all kinds of data and the data clearly shows when omitting the bigger previous scores its misleading to take Philly. 

     

    playoffs = 1 and p:points >38 and opo:points > 26.5 

     

    the results are 1-1 here when the lines you selected are in place.  I omitted the lines and it 4-5ATS. 

     

    This game according to my data is a fade of Philly and A fade of KC both.  I have found the under however is in play (post #131)

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2025 - 6:31 PM ET #164

    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    @DogbiteWilliams   Hi DBW  according to the outputs, youre still allowing lower scoring in previous games to dominate.  Thus the 55 point "scoregasm" becomes irrelevant.  The fact is the 55 point point :"scoregasm" is a main point in my opinion because its such a rarity.  I just the way i see it thru all kinds of data and the data clearly shows when omitting the bigger previous scores its misleading to take Philly.    playoffs = 1 and p:points >38 and opo:points > 26.5    the results are 1-1 here when the lines you selected are in place.  I omitted the lines and it 4-5ATS.    This game according to my data is a fade of Philly and A fade of KC both.  I have found the under however is in play (post #131)

     

    Good adjustments to discard inapplicable games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    @DogbiteWilliams   Hi DBW  according to the outputs, youre still allowing lower scoring in previous games to dominate.  Thus the 55 point "scoregasm" becomes irrelevant.  The fact is the 55 point point :"scoregasm" is a main point in my opinion because its such a rarity.  I just the way i see it thru all kinds of data and the data clearly shows when omitting the bigger previous scores its misleading to take Philly.    playoffs = 1 and p:points >38 and opo:points > 26.5    the results are 1-1 here when the lines you selected are in place.  I omitted the lines and it 4-5ATS.    This game according to my data is a fade of Philly and A fade of KC both.  I have found the under however is in play (post #131)

     

    Good adjustments to discard inapplicable games.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2025 - 6:43 PM ET #165

    For spottie2935:

    PO = 1 and p:points > 50.5

    SU 3-2, ATS 2-3, OU 3-2.  All as close to 50/50 as a 5-game sample can be.

    I view scoring 51+ points as a definite outlier with little predicitive value for the next game.  However, since we disagree and I am having a terrible NFL season, you are probably correct.

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    For spottie2935:

    PO = 1 and p:points > 50.5

    SU 3-2, ATS 2-3, OU 3-2.  All as close to 50/50 as a 5-game sample can be.

    I view scoring 51+ points as a definite outlier with little predicitive value for the next game.  However, since we disagree and I am having a terrible NFL season, you are probably correct.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    For spottie2935: PO = 1 and p:points > 50.5 SU 3-2, ATS 2-3, OU 3-2.  All as close to 50/50 as a 5-game sample can be. I view scoring 51+ points as a definite outlier with little predicitive value for the next game.  However, since we disagree and I am having a terrible NFL season, you are probably correct.

    That should be "predictive."  I am under a spell trying to predict Super Bowl LIX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    For spottie2935: PO = 1 and p:points > 50.5 SU 3-2, ATS 2-3, OU 3-2.  All as close to 50/50 as a 5-game sample can be. I view scoring 51+ points as a definite outlier with little predicitive value for the next game.  However, since we disagree and I am having a terrible NFL season, you are probably correct.

    That should be "predictive."  I am under a spell trying to predict Super Bowl LIX.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: For spottie2935: PO = 1 and p:points > 50.5 SU 3-2, ATS 2-3, OU 3-2.  All as close to 50/50 as a 5-game sample can be. I view scoring 51+ points as a definite outlier with little predicitive value for the next game.  However, since we disagree and I am having a terrible NFL season, you are probably correct. That should be "predictive."  I am under a spell trying to predict Super Bowl LIX.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: For spottie2935: PO = 1 and p:points > 50.5 SU 3-2, ATS 2-3, OU 3-2.  All as close to 50/50 as a 5-game sample can be. I view scoring 51+ points as a definite outlier with little predicitive value for the next game.  However, since we disagree and I am having a terrible NFL season, you are probably correct. That should be "predictive."  I am under a spell trying to predict Super Bowl LIX.

     

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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2025 - 8:36 PM ET #168

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     Hey Spottie… based on y’all’s math… if you were teasing total… 7 point… where would you lean.  Ova or under.  42 or 56.  ??   

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     Hey Spottie… based on y’all’s math… if you were teasing total… 7 point… where would you lean.  Ova or under.  42 or 56.  ??   

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mskeets:

    @spottie2935  Hey Spottie… based on y’all’s math… if you were teasing total… 7 point… where would you lean.  Ova or under.  42 or 56.  ??

    He leans under post #163, so tease the total up and play UNDER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mskeets:

    @spottie2935  Hey Spottie… based on y’all’s math… if you were teasing total… 7 point… where would you lean.  Ova or under.  42 or 56.  ??

    He leans under post #163, so tease the total up and play UNDER

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2025 - 2:40 AM ET #170

    This is another Munchkin query.  It's only 7 games, but all of the margins are impressive.  PHL and Under.

    PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and tA(o:points) < oA(o:points) and week > 21.5

    SU:  6-1 (7.5,85.7%)  Doubly impressive because 5 of the 7 were dogs.

    ATS:  7-0-0 (11.9,100.0%)

    OU:  0-7-0 (-14.1,0.0%)

    Dadgummit, I wish I had run this query before last year's Super Bowl.

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    This is another Munchkin query.  It's only 7 games, but all of the margins are impressive.  PHL and Under.

    PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and tA(o:points) < oA(o:points) and week > 21.5

    SU:  6-1 (7.5,85.7%)  Doubly impressive because 5 of the 7 were dogs.

    ATS:  7-0-0 (11.9,100.0%)

    OU:  0-7-0 (-14.1,0.0%)

    Dadgummit, I wish I had run this query before last year's Super Bowl.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    This is another Munchkin query.  It's only 7 games, but all of the margins are impressive.  PHL and Under. PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and tA(o:points) < oA(o:points) and week > 21.5 SU:  6-1 (7.5,85.7%)  Doubly impressive because 5 of the 7 were dogs. ATS:  7-0-0 (11.9,100.0%) OU:  0-7-0 (-14.1,0.0%) Dadgummit, I wish I had run this query before last year's Super Bowl.

     

    And the Oscar goes to DogbiteWilliams for his latest " Munckin"

    Kudos my man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    This is another Munchkin query.  It's only 7 games, but all of the margins are impressive.  PHL and Under. PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and tA(o:points) < oA(o:points) and week > 21.5 SU:  6-1 (7.5,85.7%)  Doubly impressive because 5 of the 7 were dogs. ATS:  7-0-0 (11.9,100.0%) OU:  0-7-0 (-14.1,0.0%) Dadgummit, I wish I had run this query before last year's Super Bowl.

     

    And the Oscar goes to DogbiteWilliams for his latest " Munckin"

    Kudos my man!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: This is another Munchkin query.  It's only 7 games, but all of the margins are impressive.  PHL and Under. PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and tA(o:points) < oA(o:points) and week > 21.5 SU:  6-1 (7.5,85.7%)  Doubly impressive because 5 of the 7 were dogs. ATS:  7-0-0 (11.9,100.0%) OU:  0-7-0 (-14.1,0.0%) Dadgummit, I wish I had run this query before last year's Super Bowl.   And the Oscar goes to DogbiteWilliams for his latest " Munckin" Kudos my man!

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: This is another Munchkin query.  It's only 7 games, but all of the margins are impressive.  PHL and Under. PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and tA(o:points) < oA(o:points) and week > 21.5 SU:  6-1 (7.5,85.7%)  Doubly impressive because 5 of the 7 were dogs. ATS:  7-0-0 (11.9,100.0%) OU:  0-7-0 (-14.1,0.0%) Dadgummit, I wish I had run this query before last year's Super Bowl.   And the Oscar goes to DogbiteWilliams for his latest " Munckin" Kudos my man!

    Thanks.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2025 - 7:08 AM ET #173

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     10-4… read that..just curious if there were other queries…. Goin under.  Thanks.  

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     10-4… read that..just curious if there were other queries…. Goin under.  Thanks.  

     
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     post #131 has very strong data on the under and I dont tease any games.

     

    Thanks for asking. Wish you the best and best wishes on your decision peace_5

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    @Mskeets

     post #131 has very strong data on the under and I dont tease any games.

     

    Thanks for asking. Wish you the best and best wishes on your decision peace_5

     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2025 - 11:38 AM ET #175

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     I only like Philly because they are a dog.  KC was the dog in their last superbowl meeting.  I can not find any solid data on either side but the under is my play based upon post #131

     

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     I only like Philly because they are a dog.  KC was the dog in their last superbowl meeting.  I can not find any solid data on either side but the under is my play based upon post #131

     

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