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    Playoffs....tech angles part III

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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2025 - 12:39 AM ET #126

    Cases for the Chiefs :

     

    D and playoffs=1 and t:conference!=o:conference and p:points>32  

     

    This is 1-4 ats for the dog Eagles. BUT! The one victory for the dog was when their opponent made an appearance in 3+ playoff games the previous season 

    tpS(playoffs)>2 

    D and playoffs=1 and t:conference!=o:conference and p:points>32 and opS(playoffs)>2. 1-0 Eagles.  

    Look we can all find different query results for the team we lick to back.  What I find most trustworthy long term is 

     

    pp:F and p:F and F 

     

    Bettors that were successful the last 2 weeks betting on one of the best teams in the league get debunked in the Super Bowl.  See the undefeated Patriots  and 14 teams included in the 0-14 results.  I will make the  Chiefs beat me.  

    One concern in my opinion is the Eagles high output of points last week.  When dogs score 33+ points in the conference final the previous week they are 1-4 ats in the superbowl.  

    Bettors trust high scoring teams and that can create a false narrative as well.  

    Bottom line I like the Eagles but can find reasons for the Chiefs. 

    peace_5

     

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    Cases for the Chiefs :

     

    D and playoffs=1 and t:conference!=o:conference and p:points>32  

     

    This is 1-4 ats for the dog Eagles. BUT! The one victory for the dog was when their opponent made an appearance in 3+ playoff games the previous season 

    tpS(playoffs)>2 

    D and playoffs=1 and t:conference!=o:conference and p:points>32 and opS(playoffs)>2. 1-0 Eagles.  

    Look we can all find different query results for the team we lick to back.  What I find most trustworthy long term is 

     

    pp:F and p:F and F 

     

    Bettors that were successful the last 2 weeks betting on one of the best teams in the league get debunked in the Super Bowl.  See the undefeated Patriots  and 14 teams included in the 0-14 results.  I will make the  Chiefs beat me.  

    One concern in my opinion is the Eagles high output of points last week.  When dogs score 33+ points in the conference final the previous week they are 1-4 ats in the superbowl.  

    Bettors trust high scoring teams and that can create a false narrative as well.  

    Bottom line I like the Eagles but can find reasons for the Chiefs. 

    peace_5

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 3:28 AM ET #127

    week > 21.5 and p:points > 40.5 and p:RY > 140

    SU and ATS:   1-1 --- PHL isn't necessarily dead just because of that scoregasm vs. WAS.

    week > 21.5 and p:points > 40.5 and p:RY > 200 --- No query results; Barkley's post-season is quite an outlier.

    Spottie2935 said, "Bettors trust high scoring teams and that can create a false narrative as well."  He is dead right, I was shocked when ESPN Bet Live today stated that the early tickets were mostly on PHL.  I certainly expected the worship of Mahomes to give KC the edge, but that 55 points has created some recency bias.

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    week > 21.5 and p:points > 40.5 and p:RY > 140

    SU and ATS:   1-1 --- PHL isn't necessarily dead just because of that scoregasm vs. WAS.

    week > 21.5 and p:points > 40.5 and p:RY > 200 --- No query results; Barkley's post-season is quite an outlier.

    Spottie2935 said, "Bettors trust high scoring teams and that can create a false narrative as well."  He is dead right, I was shocked when ESPN Bet Live today stated that the early tickets were mostly on PHL.  I certainly expected the worship of Mahomes to give KC the edge, but that 55 points has created some recency bias.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 3:30 AM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    week > 21.5 and p:points > 40.5 and p:RY > 140 SU and ATS:   1-1 --- PHL isn't necessarily dead just because of that scoregasm vs. WAS. week > 21.5 and p:points > 40.5 and p:RY > 200 --- No query results; Barkley's post-season is quite an outlier. Spottie2935 said, "Bettors trust high scoring teams and that can create a false narrative as well."  He is dead right, I was shocked when ESPN Bet Live today stated that the early tickets were mostly on PHL.  I certainly expected the worship of Mahomes to give KC the edge, but that 55 points has created some recency bias for PHL despite all of the Reid-Spagnuolo-Mahomes post-season success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    week > 21.5 and p:points > 40.5 and p:RY > 140 SU and ATS:   1-1 --- PHL isn't necessarily dead just because of that scoregasm vs. WAS. week > 21.5 and p:points > 40.5 and p:RY > 200 --- No query results; Barkley's post-season is quite an outlier. Spottie2935 said, "Bettors trust high scoring teams and that can create a false narrative as well."  He is dead right, I was shocked when ESPN Bet Live today stated that the early tickets were mostly on PHL.  I certainly expected the worship of Mahomes to give KC the edge, but that 55 points has created some recency bias for PHL despite all of the Reid-Spagnuolo-Mahomes post-season success.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 3:40 AM ET #129

    @DogbiteWilliams

     but that 55 points has created some recency bias.

    EXACTLY!

    Recency bias may claim more victims before this year is done................................................gl pal

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     but that 55 points has created some recency bias.

    EXACTLY!

    Recency bias may claim more victims before this year is done................................................gl pal

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 4:25 AM ET #130

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    Thanks.  Good luck to you too. 

    PHL has fewer wins, so that's a plus in NFL playoffs:

    PO = 1 and wins < o:wins

    SU:  92-127-1 (-2.9,42.0%)

    ATS:  125-91-4 (1.8,57.9%)

    I would never act on such a small ATS edge in and of itself, but that is a great query because it has such a huge sample size.

    FYI:  Those are GTD's figures; I did not pay to join KS because spending that money makes NO sense for small bettors like me.  However, GTD has a flaw; SDQL adepts should know that using "wins > o:wins" (or <) will generate an accurate query but not current matchups.  That is easy to deal with during NFL playoffs but a nightmare for anyone handicapping NCAABB on a Saturday.

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    Thanks.  Good luck to you too. 

    PHL has fewer wins, so that's a plus in NFL playoffs:

    PO = 1 and wins < o:wins

    SU:  92-127-1 (-2.9,42.0%)

    ATS:  125-91-4 (1.8,57.9%)

    I would never act on such a small ATS edge in and of itself, but that is a great query because it has such a huge sample size.

    FYI:  Those are GTD's figures; I did not pay to join KS because spending that money makes NO sense for small bettors like me.  However, GTD has a flaw; SDQL adepts should know that using "wins > o:wins" (or <) will generate an accurate query but not current matchups.  That is easy to deal with during NFL playoffs but a nightmare for anyone handicapping NCAABB on a Saturday.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 8:05 AM ET #131

    The false narrative of 55 points also effects the total.

     

    playoffs = 1 and p:points > 34  and total < 57 and op:points>13 and D

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    The false narrative of 55 points also effects the total.

     

    playoffs = 1 and p:points > 34  and total < 57 and op:points>13 and D

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 9:33 AM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    The false narrative of 55 points also effects the total.   playoffs = 1 and p:points > 34  and total < 57 and op:points>13 and D

    Thx spottie.

    that query cements a teased total of under 56 for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    The false narrative of 55 points also effects the total.   playoffs = 1 and p:points > 34  and total < 57 and op:points>13 and D

    Thx spottie.

    that query cements a teased total of under 56 for me.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 10:29 AM ET #133

    According to the query, PHL has the same amount of season wins but in more games.  

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    According to the query, PHL has the same amount of season wins but in more games.  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 12:02 PM ET #134

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     I’m teasing this with some hoops and philly plus 8 ish….

     Any other over/under query.  ?    7 point tease.   Either over 42.5 or under 56.5.    ??   Thank you sir.  

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     I’m teasing this with some hoops and philly plus 8 ish….

     Any other over/under query.  ?    7 point tease.   Either over 42.5 or under 56.5.    ??   Thank you sir.  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 6:11 PM ET #135

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    Maybe that "wins > o:wins query" is deceptive.  In the regular sesason KC was 15-2 and PHL was 14-3.  KC had a first-round bye, so naturally PHL has one more PO win.

    Maybe it is more accurate and productive to query for losses.

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    Maybe that "wins > o:wins query" is deceptive.  In the regular sesason KC was 15-2 and PHL was 14-3.  KC had a first-round bye, so naturally PHL has one more PO win.

    Maybe it is more accurate and productive to query for losses.

     
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    PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5

    SU:  13-6 (3.5,68.4%)

    ATS:  17-2 (6.6,89.5%)

    This query certainly makes PHL look live.  I only have a rudimentary understanding of football, and I believe my next conclusion is me being guilty of "Zombie GroupThink (ZGT)," the tendency of many sports bettors to act on their first impressions.  In this case, ZGT is "Reid > Sirianni and Spagnuolo > Fazio and Mahomes > Hurts."  That shaky conclusion makes me have a "mental bet" on KC, and I think it is wise in general to avoid ZGT. 

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    PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5

    SU:  13-6 (3.5,68.4%)

    ATS:  17-2 (6.6,89.5%)

    This query certainly makes PHL look live.  I only have a rudimentary understanding of football, and I believe my next conclusion is me being guilty of "Zombie GroupThink (ZGT)," the tendency of many sports bettors to act on their first impressions.  In this case, ZGT is "Reid > Sirianni and Spagnuolo > Fazio and Mahomes > Hurts."  That shaky conclusion makes me have a "mental bet" on KC, and I think it is wise in general to avoid ZGT. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2025 - 9:19 PM ET #137

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 SU:  13-6 (3.5,68.4%) ATS:  17-2 (6.6,89.5%) This query certainly makes PHL look live.  I only have a rudimentary understanding of football, and I believe my next conclusion is me being guilty of "Zombie GroupThink (ZGT)," the tendency of many sports bettors to act on their first impressions.  In this case, ZGT is "Reid > Sirianni and Spagnuolo > Fazio and Mahomes > Hurts."  That shaky conclusion makes me have a "mental bet" on KC, and I think it is wise in general to avoid ZGT.

    Great post DBW.

    That ats record is to die for. For me, I stay on my toes trying to avoid outliers to these historical trends. Coaching is imo a valuable consideration  (for outliers)rough this SB

    in whether or not I pull the trigger. I absolutely agree with your coaching/qb equation and will tiptoe through this SB with minimal exposure and if PHI

    does win by (0-4) and total lands (42-56) I will be a happy camper........................................................gl

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 SU:  13-6 (3.5,68.4%) ATS:  17-2 (6.6,89.5%) This query certainly makes PHL look live.  I only have a rudimentary understanding of football, and I believe my next conclusion is me being guilty of "Zombie GroupThink (ZGT)," the tendency of many sports bettors to act on their first impressions.  In this case, ZGT is "Reid > Sirianni and Spagnuolo > Fazio and Mahomes > Hurts."  That shaky conclusion makes me have a "mental bet" on KC, and I think it is wise in general to avoid ZGT.

    Great post DBW.

    That ats record is to die for. For me, I stay on my toes trying to avoid outliers to these historical trends. Coaching is imo a valuable consideration  (for outliers)rough this SB

    in whether or not I pull the trigger. I absolutely agree with your coaching/qb equation and will tiptoe through this SB with minimal exposure and if PHI

    does win by (0-4) and total lands (42-56) I will be a happy camper........................................................gl

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 SU:  13-6 (3.5,68.4%) ATS:  17-2 (6.6,89.5%) This query certainly makes PHL look live.  I only have a rudimentary understanding of football, and I believe my next conclusion is me being guilty of "Zombie GroupThink (ZGT)," the tendency of many sports bettors to act on their first impressions.  In this case, ZGT is "Reid > Sirianni and Spagnuolo > Fazio and Mahomes > Hurts."  That shaky conclusion makes me have a "mental bet" on KC, and I think it is wise in general to avoid ZGT.

    Great post DBW.

    That ats record is to die for. For me, I stay on my toes trying to avoid outliers to these historical trends. Coaching is imo a valuable consideration  (for outliers)rough this SB

    in whether or not I pull the trigger. I absolutely agree with your coaching/qb equation and will tiptoe through this SB with minimal exposure and if PHI

    does win by (0-4) and total lands (42-56) I will be a happy camper........................................................gl

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 SU:  13-6 (3.5,68.4%) ATS:  17-2 (6.6,89.5%) This query certainly makes PHL look live.  I only have a rudimentary understanding of football, and I believe my next conclusion is me being guilty of "Zombie GroupThink (ZGT)," the tendency of many sports bettors to act on their first impressions.  In this case, ZGT is "Reid > Sirianni and Spagnuolo > Fazio and Mahomes > Hurts."  That shaky conclusion makes me have a "mental bet" on KC, and I think it is wise in general to avoid ZGT.

    Great post DBW.

    That ats record is to die for. For me, I stay on my toes trying to avoid outliers to these historical trends. Coaching is imo a valuable consideration  (for outliers)rough this SB

    in whether or not I pull the trigger. I absolutely agree with your coaching/qb equation and will tiptoe through this SB with minimal exposure and if PHI

    does win by (0-4) and total lands (42-56) I will be a happy camper........................................................gl

     
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     I think  PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 is close to duplicating my query. The better team and or favorite fails a lot.  On the other hand look at what the query doesn’t like:  

    PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 and p:points>38

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     I think  PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 is close to duplicating my query. The better team and or favorite fails a lot.  On the other hand look at what the query doesn’t like:  

    PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 and p:points>38

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    @DogbiteWilliams  I think  PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 is close to duplicating my query. The better team and or favorite fails a lot.  On the other hand look at what the query doesn’t like:   PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 and p:points>38

    Yikes!  One extra parameter can destroy a query.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    @DogbiteWilliams  I think  PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 is close to duplicating my query. The better team and or favorite fails a lot.  On the other hand look at what the query doesn’t like:   PO = 1 and losses > o:losses and week > 21.5 and p:points>38

    Yikes!  One extra parameter can destroy a query.

     
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    Maybe a powerful rushing OFF should be avoided by bettors, so all those pro-PHL/fade KC queries deserve a note of caution.

    PO = 1 and p:RTD + pp:RTD > 5.5 and line > -5.7

    SU and ATS:  3-11-0.

    Good luck everybody.  Every day brings more contradictions.  Of course if everybody loved one side the price would be exhorbitant.

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    Maybe a powerful rushing OFF should be avoided by bettors, so all those pro-PHL/fade KC queries deserve a note of caution.

    PO = 1 and p:RTD + pp:RTD > 5.5 and line > -5.7

    SU and ATS:  3-11-0.

    Good luck everybody.  Every day brings more contradictions.  Of course if everybody loved one side the price would be exhorbitant.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2025 - 3:07 AM ET #142

    I will coin the term "Munchkin query" for a small sample-sized query which is more likely a simple outlier or statistical fluke whereas a large sample-sized query should offer more future reliability and predictability, although my horrible results this season certainly undercut that reasoning.

    This is a Munchkin query that I am posting because of the HUGE OU margin.  I do not deem it worthy of action in and of itself:

    PO = 1 and p:RY - po:RY > 100 and total > 45.2 and week > 21.5

    OU:  0-4-0 (-14.9,0.0%)

    Try flipping the "week > 21.5" to "week < 21.5" to see how worthless it is for regular PO games.

     

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    I will coin the term "Munchkin query" for a small sample-sized query which is more likely a simple outlier or statistical fluke whereas a large sample-sized query should offer more future reliability and predictability, although my horrible results this season certainly undercut that reasoning.

    This is a Munchkin query that I am posting because of the HUGE OU margin.  I do not deem it worthy of action in and of itself:

    PO = 1 and p:RY - po:RY > 100 and total > 45.2 and week > 21.5

    OU:  0-4-0 (-14.9,0.0%)

    Try flipping the "week > 21.5" to "week < 21.5" to see how worthless it is for regular PO games.

     

     
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    [Quote: One extra parameter can destroy a query.[/Quote]

     

    its the same as mine and the Superdowl is basically 3 major things. 

     

    Fade 1.)  Against a back to back favorite in their previous play off games, and a favorite in the superbowl, Query: pp:F and pp:F and F and t:conference!=o:conference

    Take 2.  A higher seed (for instance, 6,5,4 seed vs. a 1 or 2 seed in the other conference, I cant find a query for this one. 


    Fade 3.) A team coming in the the superbowl off a huge scoring game, this it at its best with a team under 4 season losses.   query: playoffs=1 and p:points>38 and p:playoffs=1 and t:losses<4

     

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    [Quote: One extra parameter can destroy a query.[/Quote]

     

    its the same as mine and the Superdowl is basically 3 major things. 

     

    Fade 1.)  Against a back to back favorite in their previous play off games, and a favorite in the superbowl, Query: pp:F and pp:F and F and t:conference!=o:conference

    Take 2.  A higher seed (for instance, 6,5,4 seed vs. a 1 or 2 seed in the other conference, I cant find a query for this one. 


    Fade 3.) A team coming in the the superbowl off a huge scoring game, this it at its best with a team under 4 season losses.   query: playoffs=1 and p:points>38 and p:playoffs=1 and t:losses<4

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2025 - 10:19 AM ET #144

    Now for those interested in some college hoops tonight, I found this gem.

     

    League: NCAA BB 

    Query:

    season>2018 and AFC and rank>10 and -2>=line>=-7 and o:losses>7 and 8>t:losses>2 and p:W

     

    query results are 8-47 ATS and play against the favorites Memphis and Illinois.

     

    Take Tulane and Nebraska

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    Now for those interested in some college hoops tonight, I found this gem.

     

    League: NCAA BB 

    Query:

    season>2018 and AFC and rank>10 and -2>=line>=-7 and o:losses>7 and 8>t:losses>2 and p:W

     

    query results are 8-47 ATS and play against the favorites Memphis and Illinois.

     

    Take Tulane and Nebraska

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    [Quote: One extra parameter can destroy a query.
      its the same as mine and the Superdowl is basically 3 major things.    Fade 1.)  Against a back to back favorite in their previous play off games, and a favorite in the superbowl, Query: pp:F and pp:F and F and t:conference!=o:conference Take 2.  A higher seed (for instance, 6,5,4 seed vs. a 1 or 2 seed in the other conference, I cant find a query for this one.  Fade 3.) A team coming in the the superbowl off a huge scoring game, this it at its best with a team under 4 season losses.   query: playoffs=1 and p:points>38 and p:playoffs=1 and t:losses<4

    Great thinking!  This query works when one team had a bye and the other didn't:

    PO = 1 and week > 21.5 and pp:rest > 10.5 and opp:rest < 10.5

    SU:  2-8 (-5.2,20.0%)

    ATS:  0-10 (-8.1,0.0%)

    Go PHL!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:

    [Quote: One extra parameter can destroy a query.
      its the same as mine and the Superdowl is basically 3 major things.    Fade 1.)  Against a back to back favorite in their previous play off games, and a favorite in the superbowl, Query: pp:F and pp:F and F and t:conference!=o:conference Take 2.  A higher seed (for instance, 6,5,4 seed vs. a 1 or 2 seed in the other conference, I cant find a query for this one.  Fade 3.) A team coming in the the superbowl off a huge scoring game, this it at its best with a team under 4 season losses.   query: playoffs=1 and p:points>38 and p:playoffs=1 and t:losses<4

    Great thinking!  This query works when one team had a bye and the other didn't:

    PO = 1 and week > 21.5 and pp:rest > 10.5 and opp:rest < 10.5

    SU:  2-8 (-5.2,20.0%)

    ATS:  0-10 (-8.1,0.0%)

    Go PHL!

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2025 - 3:10 PM ET #146

    I don't know how I screwed up Comment #145, but it kind of goes with the lousy NFL season I am having.

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    I don't know how I screwed up Comment #145, but it kind of goes with the lousy NFL season I am having.

     
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    Your query in Comment #144 is only 18-15 ATS at GTD.  Sometimes there is a game or two difference in the query results between GTD and KS, but this should be double-checked before risking heavy coin.

    Good luck with Tulane and Nebraska.

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    Your query in Comment #144 is only 18-15 ATS at GTD.  Sometimes there is a game or two difference in the query results between GTD and KS, but this should be double-checked before risking heavy coin.

    Good luck with Tulane and Nebraska.

     
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    I find it difficult and inconsistent finding info on GTD.  Tht site is frustrating to me.  ON Killer you have 5 free queries in each sport.  see if you can see if the query is 8-47 ATS like i see. 

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    I find it difficult and inconsistent finding info on GTD.  Tht site is frustrating to me.  ON Killer you have 5 free queries in each sport.  see if you can see if the query is 8-47 ATS like i see. 

     
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     I did confirm the 8-47-1 query.  Good luck tonight.

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     I did confirm the 8-47-1 query.  Good luck tonight.

     
     
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    @DogbiteWilliams

     an_cheers

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