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    Indigo999
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2025 - 8:12 PM ET #51

    I was able to post that query from Comment #32 using my preferred SDQL at GTD: PO = 1 and p:PY < 150 and A and -4.2 < line < 4.2 ATS:  15-5-0 (3.1, 75.0%) Good luck everybody.[/Quote]

     

    Yes well, you're a better man than me....I tried multiple times/ways.

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    I was able to post that query from Comment #32 using my preferred SDQL at GTD: PO = 1 and p:PY < 150 and A and -4.2 < line < 4.2 ATS:  15-5-0 (3.1, 75.0%) Good luck everybody.[/Quote]

     

    Yes well, you're a better man than me....I tried multiple times/ways.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2025 - 8:29 PM ET #52

    @hoody

     

    No Rookie QB have been given the chance to go this aggressive too!

    No Rookie QB's team have been this HOT!

    Not saying Commanders or REDSKINS are taking this game but trends of that nature are highly Flawed.

     

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    No Rookie QB have been given the chance to go this aggressive too!

    No Rookie QB's team have been this HOT!

    Not saying Commanders or REDSKINS are taking this game but trends of that nature are highly Flawed.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 12:35 AM ET #53

    21)  Teams with the worse won/loss record their previous eight  games, how do they do in the conference championship round and the Super Bowl?

     

    The short answer is, generally they have done very well....dispelling the notion that the "hot" team is the team to back.

      a)  In the conference championship round they are 25-7 ATS (+6.97)........Bills have gone 6-2 and the Chiefs have gone 7-1 their last 8 games......ON Bills

      b)  In the Super Bowl those teams with the lesser record their past eight games in comparison to their present opponent have gone 14-3 ATS (+7.03)

    Both the Eagles and the Commanders have gone 7-1,.........if we take this to the last 9 games, this moves to Philly 8-1, Washington 7-2.

    Query text.....tS(W, N=8) < oS(W, N=8) and playoffs=1 and game type

     

     

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    21)  Teams with the worse won/loss record their previous eight  games, how do they do in the conference championship round and the Super Bowl?

     

    The short answer is, generally they have done very well....dispelling the notion that the "hot" team is the team to back.

      a)  In the conference championship round they are 25-7 ATS (+6.97)........Bills have gone 6-2 and the Chiefs have gone 7-1 their last 8 games......ON Bills

      b)  In the Super Bowl those teams with the lesser record their past eight games in comparison to their present opponent have gone 14-3 ATS (+7.03)

    Both the Eagles and the Commanders have gone 7-1,.........if we take this to the last 9 games, this moves to Philly 8-1, Washington 7-2.

    Query text.....tS(W, N=8) < oS(W, N=8) and playoffs=1 and game type

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 12:54 AM ET #54

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     How about this one dealing with the luck factor. How do teams like Buffalo and Commanders, that won the turnover battle by 2 or more against opponents that outgained them in total yards in the division games, do in the conference championships? peace_5

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     How about this one dealing with the luck factor. How do teams like Buffalo and Commanders, that won the turnover battle by 2 or more against opponents that outgained them in total yards in the division games, do in the conference championships? peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 2:00 AM ET #55

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     Don’t forget the “ this team is hungrier” logic some folks use to justify their picks. lol 

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     Don’t forget the “ this team is hungrier” logic some folks use to justify their picks. lol 

     
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    22)  Conference championship round away teams with the turnover advantage of at least 2 their previous game have gone 10-3 ATS (+5.8), 6-7 straight up (-0.2).....Bills, Commanders

    23)  Conference championship round home teams that committed zero turnovers their previous game have gone 5-7 ATS (-1.9) and 8-4 straight up (+4.2)......Eagles, Chiefs

    When two opposing teams committed zero turnovers their previous games, the home team went 3-3 ATS (-1.8), 5-1 straight up (+3.2)

    24)  Championship round teams that were out-gained...

      a)  away teams....8-9 ATS, 4-13  straight up (-4.8)......Commanders

      b)  home teams ...4-4 TS, 5-3 straight up (+6.4).....Chiefs, Eagles

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    22)  Conference championship round away teams with the turnover advantage of at least 2 their previous game have gone 10-3 ATS (+5.8), 6-7 straight up (-0.2).....Bills, Commanders

    23)  Conference championship round home teams that committed zero turnovers their previous game have gone 5-7 ATS (-1.9) and 8-4 straight up (+4.2)......Eagles, Chiefs

    When two opposing teams committed zero turnovers their previous games, the home team went 3-3 ATS (-1.8), 5-1 straight up (+3.2)

    24)  Championship round teams that were out-gained...

      a)  away teams....8-9 ATS, 4-13  straight up (-4.8)......Commanders

      b)  home teams ...4-4 TS, 5-3 straight up (+6.4).....Chiefs, Eagles

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 2:17 AM ET #57

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    The lion and the tiger may be more powerful, but the wolf doesn't perform in the circus.
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 2:49 AM ET #58

    25)  A conference championship round away dog who has the better per game scoring margin.....0-5 ATS (-8.3), 0-5 straight up (-10.2)....VERSUS Bills

    26)  A conference championship round away dog whose calculated line using each teams' last eight games is less than the Vegas line....6-12 ATS (-5.6) 2-16 straight up (-10.7)....VERSUS Bills

    27)  A conference championship round away dog whose calculated line using each teams' last eight games is greater than the Vegas line....17-11 ATS..........ON Commanders....in the last 9 games teams in this situation has won outright 6 times and lost by a field goal the other 3 times.

    query text.....AD and line

    Calculated lines, last 8 game scoring averages

      a)  Chiefs 20.6-17.8=+2.8

      b)  Bills 33-23.8=+9.2

      c)  Commanders 29.9-25.2=+4.7

      d)  Eagles 27.1-17=+10.1

    Calculated line, giving 3 points to home team

    Commanders +8.4

    Bills  -3.4

    The disparity of lines mimics Sagarin's power ratings....Vegas is taking a side on the Chiefs and the Commanders.

    Plays:

    1)  Notre Dame +9......loser

    2)  Commanders +6'....2 units

    CANCELLING MY BILLS BETS....lost 1/10th of a unit on the buy-out.

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    25)  A conference championship round away dog who has the better per game scoring margin.....0-5 ATS (-8.3), 0-5 straight up (-10.2)....VERSUS Bills

    26)  A conference championship round away dog whose calculated line using each teams' last eight games is less than the Vegas line....6-12 ATS (-5.6) 2-16 straight up (-10.7)....VERSUS Bills

    27)  A conference championship round away dog whose calculated line using each teams' last eight games is greater than the Vegas line....17-11 ATS..........ON Commanders....in the last 9 games teams in this situation has won outright 6 times and lost by a field goal the other 3 times.

    query text.....AD and line

    Calculated lines, last 8 game scoring averages

      a)  Chiefs 20.6-17.8=+2.8

      b)  Bills 33-23.8=+9.2

      c)  Commanders 29.9-25.2=+4.7

      d)  Eagles 27.1-17=+10.1

    Calculated line, giving 3 points to home team

    Commanders +8.4

    Bills  -3.4

    The disparity of lines mimics Sagarin's power ratings....Vegas is taking a side on the Chiefs and the Commanders.

    Plays:

    1)  Notre Dame +9......loser

    2)  Commanders +6'....2 units

    CANCELLING MY BILLS BETS....lost 1/10th of a unit on the buy-out.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 2:50 AM ET #59

    query text........AD  and line<oA(margin, N=8)+3-tA(margin, N=8) and game type=CH

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    query text........AD  and line<oA(margin, N=8)+3-tA(margin, N=8) and game type=CH

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Indigo999]query text........AD  and line

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Indigo999]query text........AD  and line

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 3:53 AM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999:

    22)  Conference championship round away teams with the turnover advantage of at least 2 their previous game have gone 10-3 ATS (+5.8), 6-7 straight up (-0.2).....Bills, Commanders 23)  Conference championship round home teams that committed zero turnovers their previous game have gone 5-7 ATS (-1.9) and 8-4 straight up (+4.2)......Eagles, Chiefs When two opposing teams committed zero turnovers their previous games, the home team went 3-3 ATS (-1.8), 5-1 straight up (+3.2) 24)  Championship round teams that were out-gained...   a)  away teams....8-9 ATS, 4-13  straight up (-4.8)......Commanders   b)  home teams ...4-4 TS, 5-3 straight up (+6.4).....Chiefs, Eagles

    Thanks. Interesting stuff. Some of these results defy expectations and others are more in line with what one would expect. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999:

    22)  Conference championship round away teams with the turnover advantage of at least 2 their previous game have gone 10-3 ATS (+5.8), 6-7 straight up (-0.2).....Bills, Commanders 23)  Conference championship round home teams that committed zero turnovers their previous game have gone 5-7 ATS (-1.9) and 8-4 straight up (+4.2)......Eagles, Chiefs When two opposing teams committed zero turnovers their previous games, the home team went 3-3 ATS (-1.8), 5-1 straight up (+3.2) 24)  Championship round teams that were out-gained...   a)  away teams....8-9 ATS, 4-13  straight up (-4.8)......Commanders   b)  home teams ...4-4 TS, 5-3 straight up (+6.4).....Chiefs, Eagles

    Thanks. Interesting stuff. Some of these results defy expectations and others are more in line with what one would expect. peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy: Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999: I totally agree that someone with this methodology would help an NFL team to alert a coaching staff to possible poor performance coming into a game. As far as fading trends, I think there is a good rationale for that....Jowchoo on this forum had a massive year this year, probably the best of anyone on this site.  As far as I could tell, his methodology was to find a team that had four or more performances above or below 500 and then to fade that trend in a teaser.  For example if the Raiders were 0-4 to the OVER in the year to date, he would play them OVER their next game in a teaser, the rationale being that everything reverts back to the mean.   It's hard to argue with his results, as he hit over 60% on over 400 plays and I do find it interesting that of all the cappers that I have seen on this forum, he is the only one that has detailed his approach, which is systematic in nature, and he is also been one of the best cappers here....I don't think that is a coincidence, as the universe gives back to those that give. I did this once in a very simplistic manner many years ago in baseball....I would look at home favorites or left handed pitchers, etc....and when they had won or lost three days in a row I would go the opposite...the bookmaker I had at the time said he'd never seen someone who had been as successful as I was over that season. I will definitely look at emulating Jowchoo's methods next season in the NFL. It is interesting that coaches are now well aware of phenomena like let down spots and trap games (I hear them talk about it in interviews) and try to anticipate and prevent it for their team, but those are so obvious compared to the level of influence that hidden historical trends, like those you find, have on the outcome of a game. That’s whole other level of performance related data and predictors.  I believe I have seen Jowchoo’s thread but I did not know what his methodology was until you explained it. One method I’ve been using is watching line movements and comparing the ones between a sharp book and a square book: the difference is sometimes night and day. For instance, I got worried about my Detroit pick last night when the line at the sharp book dropped to -7.5 -110 before the game and it was still at -8.5 -115 at DraftKings. Meanwhile the ML fell to -490 while it was still -550 at DraftKings. When Detroit took a 7 point lead, the line at the sharp book hardly budged while the line at DraftKings went up, making Detroit a bigger favorite.   A big thankyou from the SDQL professor ..indigo beginnerboy; Since my regession model by my definition cannot start until week 5, I approach the first 4 weeks thusly: I have tracked pinnacle's lines for a few decades as I admire their crew, as the best in the business,year in year out. When they have stand alone lines, they are by definition taking a position on that game. This position is more often then not the right side So, together with  my early season SDQL querys I fashion my plays. I way over achieved this year and fully expect to have my regression model regress....lol Going  (+61.2%) on 733 plays is not sustainable. I was reticent about sharing this as books pay attention and I was quite happy with the public thinking 2 team 6/6.5 teasers were book friendly. While, the books finally woke up and now it is difficult finding good prices. My vig this year was between -114 to -121. I have a new challenge this off season and that is to create a props model based on SDQL data. I like the potential.   GOOD LUCK

    There he is...an_worship

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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy: Quote Originally Posted by Indigo999: I totally agree that someone with this methodology would help an NFL team to alert a coaching staff to possible poor performance coming into a game. As far as fading trends, I think there is a good rationale for that....Jowchoo on this forum had a massive year this year, probably the best of anyone on this site.  As far as I could tell, his methodology was to find a team that had four or more performances above or below 500 and then to fade that trend in a teaser.  For example if the Raiders were 0-4 to the OVER in the year to date, he would play them OVER their next game in a teaser, the rationale being that everything reverts back to the mean.   It's hard to argue with his results, as he hit over 60% on over 400 plays and I do find it interesting that of all the cappers that I have seen on this forum, he is the only one that has detailed his approach, which is systematic in nature, and he is also been one of the best cappers here....I don't think that is a coincidence, as the universe gives back to those that give. I did this once in a very simplistic manner many years ago in baseball....I would look at home favorites or left handed pitchers, etc....and when they had won or lost three days in a row I would go the opposite...the bookmaker I had at the time said he'd never seen someone who had been as successful as I was over that season. I will definitely look at emulating Jowchoo's methods next season in the NFL. It is interesting that coaches are now well aware of phenomena like let down spots and trap games (I hear them talk about it in interviews) and try to anticipate and prevent it for their team, but those are so obvious compared to the level of influence that hidden historical trends, like those you find, have on the outcome of a game. That’s whole other level of performance related data and predictors.  I believe I have seen Jowchoo’s thread but I did not know what his methodology was until you explained it. One method I’ve been using is watching line movements and comparing the ones between a sharp book and a square book: the difference is sometimes night and day. For instance, I got worried about my Detroit pick last night when the line at the sharp book dropped to -7.5 -110 before the game and it was still at -8.5 -115 at DraftKings. Meanwhile the ML fell to -490 while it was still -550 at DraftKings. When Detroit took a 7 point lead, the line at the sharp book hardly budged while the line at DraftKings went up, making Detroit a bigger favorite.   A big thankyou from the SDQL professor ..indigo beginnerboy; Since my regession model by my definition cannot start until week 5, I approach the first 4 weeks thusly: I have tracked pinnacle's lines for a few decades as I admire their crew, as the best in the business,year in year out. When they have stand alone lines, they are by definition taking a position on that game. This position is more often then not the right side So, together with  my early season SDQL querys I fashion my plays. I way over achieved this year and fully expect to have my regression model regress....lol Going  (+61.2%) on 733 plays is not sustainable. I was reticent about sharing this as books pay attention and I was quite happy with the public thinking 2 team 6/6.5 teasers were book friendly. While, the books finally woke up and now it is difficult finding good prices. My vig this year was between -114 to -121. I have a new challenge this off season and that is to create a props model based on SDQL data. I like the potential.   GOOD LUCK

    There he is...an_worship

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 2:09 PM ET #63

    @Indigo999

    Glad to read you are on the Commanders now as i already put in an early ticket with Commanders +5.5 and Chiefs ML -118

     

    There are +6 and +6.5 out there now which sucks but feeling better with the information you have posted and you backing them as well. 

    thank you for all the info you provide, i remember your thread for last years superbowl and i dropped a bag on the Chiefs because of it! 

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    @Indigo999

    Glad to read you are on the Commanders now as i already put in an early ticket with Commanders +5.5 and Chiefs ML -118

     

    There are +6 and +6.5 out there now which sucks but feeling better with the information you have posted and you backing them as well. 

    thank you for all the info you provide, i remember your thread for last years superbowl and i dropped a bag on the Chiefs because of it! 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 4:25 PM ET #64

    Here's a small one for ya buddy

    ACD and playoffs=1 and DIV and p:margin>8 and total>46

    It's 4-0 ats   on Wash

    0-3-1         U/N

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    Here's a small one for ya buddy

    ACD and playoffs=1 and DIV and p:margin>8 and total>46

    It's 4-0 ats   on Wash

    0-3-1         U/N

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 5:28 PM ET #65

    For those of you having trouble copying and pasting queries into the Reply field, I suggest trying this:

    Copy the query, then enter the Reply field.  Type a few characters and, without moving your browser, right click and choose "Paste as plain text" and then delete those few added characters.

    I uses Chrome and that nearly always works for me.  Good luck.

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    For those of you having trouble copying and pasting queries into the Reply field, I suggest trying this:

    Copy the query, then enter the Reply field.  Type a few characters and, without moving your browser, right click and choose "Paste as plain text" and then delete those few added characters.

    I uses Chrome and that nearly always works for me.  Good luck.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 7:31 PM ET #66

    @begginerboy

     Teams after playing Lions ended season at 4-13 ats when the Vikings lost to the Rams in the WC round. The Vikes played the Lions in their prior game which was their last reg season game.

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    @begginerboy

     Teams after playing Lions ended season at 4-13 ats when the Vikings lost to the Rams in the WC round. The Vikes played the Lions in their prior game which was their last reg season game.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 8:01 PM ET #67

    @Indigo999

     Do you mind sharing why you bought out of ur buff bet.

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    @Indigo999

     Do you mind sharing why you bought out of ur buff bet.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 8:34 PM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik48:

    @begginerboy  Teams after playing Lions ended season at 4-13 ats when the Vikings lost to the Rams in the WC round. The Vikes played the Lions in their prior game which was their last reg season game.

    From what I saw that game, the Skins left it all out there on the field against Detroit. That took a Herculean effort on a short week no less. We will see what they still have in the tank. Philadelphia is strange team giving off bad vibes. There is no joy. No camaraderie. No chemistry. But as long as they show up and play with any kind of motivation, they should win if not cover. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik48:

    @begginerboy  Teams after playing Lions ended season at 4-13 ats when the Vikings lost to the Rams in the WC round. The Vikes played the Lions in their prior game which was their last reg season game.

    From what I saw that game, the Skins left it all out there on the field against Detroit. That took a Herculean effort on a short week no less. We will see what they still have in the tank. Philadelphia is strange team giving off bad vibes. There is no joy. No camaraderie. No chemistry. But as long as they show up and play with any kind of motivation, they should win if not cover. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 10:23 PM ET #69

    Indigo do you ever look at totals? I like a food total bet lol

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    Indigo do you ever look at totals? I like a food total bet lol

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2025 - 3:03 AM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by doogie43:

    Indigo do you ever look at totals? I like a food total bet lol

    Yeah, one you can sink your teeth into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doogie43:

    Indigo do you ever look at totals? I like a food total bet lol

    Yeah, one you can sink your teeth into.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2025 - 3:33 AM ET #71

    season=2024 and AD and week>16 and 51>total>41.5 and day=Sunday  (8-2)

    Here is an 80% trend to the over with  games this weekend in play.

     

     

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    season=2024 and AD and week>16 and 51>total>41.5 and day=Sunday  (8-2)

    Here is an 80% trend to the over with  games this weekend in play.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2025 - 3:42 AM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    season=2024 and AD and week>16 and 51>total>41.5 and day=Sunday  (8-2) Here is an 80% trend to the over with  games this weekend in play.

     

    These games avg 54 pts scored, so a teaser to the under should have potential

    1. KC over 41/ PHIL over 41 -119 (2%)

    2. KC over 47.5 (1%)

    3. PHIL over 47.5 (1%)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    season=2024 and AD and week>16 and 51>total>41.5 and day=Sunday  (8-2) Here is an 80% trend to the over with  games this weekend in play.

     

    These games avg 54 pts scored, so a teaser to the under should have potential

    1. KC over 41/ PHIL over 41 -119 (2%)

    2. KC over 47.5 (1%)

    3. PHIL over 47.5 (1%)

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2025 - 4:07 AM ET #73

    59 quarterbacks have earned a top 4 pick in the draft since NFL expanded to 16 teams, almost 60 years ago 

    Jayden Daniels will be the first one to start a conference championship game as a rookie

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    59 quarterbacks have earned a top 4 pick in the draft since NFL expanded to 16 teams, almost 60 years ago 

    Jayden Daniels will be the first one to start a conference championship game as a rookie

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2025 - 3:18 PM ET #74

    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo: season=2024 and AD and week>16 and 51>total>41.5 and day=Sunday  (8-2) Here is an 80% trend to the over with  games this weekend in play.   These games avg 54 pts scored, so a teaser to the under should have potential 1. KC over 41/ PHIL over 41 -119 (2%) 2. KC over 47.5 (1%) 3. PHIL over 47.5 (1%)

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo:

    Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo: season=2024 and AD and week>16 and 51>total>41.5 and day=Sunday  (8-2) Here is an 80% trend to the over with  games this weekend in play.   These games avg 54 pts scored, so a teaser to the under should have potential 1. KC over 41/ PHIL over 41 -119 (2%) 2. KC over 47.5 (1%) 3. PHIL over 47.5 (1%)

    Good luck.

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2025 - 4:06 PM ET #75

    Here's an interesting stat; 

    The Chiefs have had 0 Turnovers since 11.17.24.... the last time they played the Bills. 

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    Here's an interesting stat; 

    The Chiefs have had 0 Turnovers since 11.17.24.... the last time they played the Bills. 

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