One of these times, the mistake of scoring instead of taking a knee....

I guess the threshold for a miracle is low these days.

One different bounce on the onsides kick, and they have 24 seconds to score to tie.

Unlikely?  Yes.  Miracle?  Maybe biblical scholars would argue that.

I was reading laughing the people who reply to van in this thread. Its a fundamental difference of being able to read and comprehend a man's rational thought and not being able to think of anything other than your own moronic ideas. Thats why this is missing a lot of people.

But, for something that wont be missed by anyone:

Read this hysterical story.

Clearly there are a lot of morons on here.

Scenario A) Greene kneels down at the 1.
Yes, maybe Greene somehow gets injured while kneeling, but highly doubftul since his leg does that type of movement regularly.  Sanchez takes 3 snaps, kneels 3 times & the game finishes.  21-14 Jets.

Scenario B) Greene scores a TD
Patriots get the ball back, drive the field & score a TD.  During all those HARD HITTING plays, the odds of a Jet getting injured is far more likely than Greene kneeling down.  Onside kick, Patriots recover.  Brady gets four hail mary throws in to the endzoen to tie it up.

Which scenario gives the Jets the best possible shot at winning?

I was arguing with my brother about this... (despite me needing the under) and it amazes me how many people would want the score.  It was an AUTOMATIC WIN (barring any fumble on a kneel) if they freaking Greene would just go down and have the Jets kill the clock.  A TD, gave the Pats a chance at miracle, which is not impossible...very unlikely but a chance- nonetheless.

  I knew this wasn't going to slip through, seconds after my little finger lifted off the enter key...

What a fn horses ass I am....   I know remember why I never would have made it through law school...     It's like you make your opening statement laying out your case, and the immidately go about tearing it apart with facts....    what a dumbass. 

Here's another % I believe is true 95% to 100% of the stupid embarrasing things I've said in my life come at the bottom 3 fingers of a fifth of Stoli

It might be a "what if" game to you, but the numbers say you are golden if you take a knee.  To the tune of 100%.  It's not rocket science. 

Perhaps, but what if you fumble the ball during the snap when tying to take a knee?  Ya gotta account for that. It could happen. So nothing is 100%.

i had jets +320 m.l  cromartie falls on the ball it never gets this far...wtf cromartie fall on the ball an the games over u shnook...fla st.. alumni, a.d.,says it all.

If Cromartie falls on the ball, the Pats still had 2 timeouts..(If im not mistaken)..and 3 stops.. with 2 stoppages.. the Pats still will have some time left..

You’re probably right, but I am so glad he didn’t. I was on the 2nd half over LARGE and if he would have taken a knee at the 1 I might have put my remote through my tv screen.    

is taking 3 snaps from center and kneeling without the possibility of fumbling really 100.000 percent?

Exactly nothing is 100%. Just back in 2007, OSU vs. Troy, with 54 seconds left, the Cowboys lined up in victory formation. Cowboy quarterback Brandon Weeden fumbled the snap. Troy linebacker Daniel Sheffield recovered at the Trojan 34-yard line.

Thats college... In the history of the NFL find ONE time when a team knelt on it and fumbled or lost.. GL.. It has never happened .. Thus 100% as of now after 15 or so years.. The biggest transgression in this whole sceniro is the uneccessary risk of INJURY to the team that haves to go back out on the field during the playoffs.. That alone is a strong enough reason to knell.. Revis blows out a knee on the last drive by NE and watch teams start kneeling.. As a gambler wish teams would kneel the comebacks after a TD in this situation never feels as good as a loss in the same situation..

So your argument is that it isnt 100%?

OK. Fine.  You win.  It is not 100%.

So, is it still higher than scoring and kicking off?

Should I adjust it to:  go down instead of score 99.9% vs score 98.5%?  Does that make you happy?

is taking 3 snaps from center and kneeling without the possibility of fumbling really 100.000 percent?

No, no it isn't.

Vanzack is simply making things up.

I think I have made my point.  It will happen one day, or a major injury will occur because of it.

If you are debating the other side, there is no other answer except you are a mouthbreathing moron who shouldnt be walking the streets alone, much less gambling.

Sorry, there is no middle ground here.  Some things are debatable, this isnt, and if you cant see it - or better yet insist on debating that the sky is yellow instead of blue, have at it.

 

Well, historically it is 100%.

Can an earthquake stop the game before the second snap?  yes, but I wouldnt gameplan for it.

You are a mouthbreathing moron.  You are debating a point that makes no difference in this debate.  Until you can say that whatever the odds are (if they are not 100%) are LOWER than the odds of scoring, you have no debate.

Should I adjust it to:  go down instead of score 99.9% vs score 98.5%?

Um, no. Because you can't provide any data to validate those percentages.

Sorry, there is no middle ground here.  Some things are debatable, this isnt,

You can't provide any facts or data to support what you're saying.

So it is "debatable"

I think I have made my point.

Oh, you have. It just isn't what you think it is.

You are a mouthbreathing moron.

Actually, you're projecting.

You can't cite an instance where a team has scored and then lost in the scenario you've outlined.

It is a "mistake" because you, mouth breathing moron, say so.

Until you can say that whatever the odds are (if they are not 100%) are LOWER than the odds of scoring, you have no debate.

Um, you can't say what the odds are because you have no data to support your assertion.

Further, you can't name a team that has lost by doing what you're criticizing.