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    One of these times, the mistake of scoring instead of taking a knee....

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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 6:25 PM ET #251

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:


      So there's absolutely no chance a qb would fumble the snap & the opposing team ends up scoring..........no chance whatsoever......physically impossible........correct?


    actually this is irrelevant... either scenario can be impacted equally by a fumbled snap on a kneel down... as the game played out (without Greene taking a dive), there was an opportunity for the Jets to fumble the snap near midfield at the end of the game... could have happened in either scenario, and in the latter case, it would have happened near midfield instead of near the Patriots goal line (albeit with possibly more time on the clock)... at best, that point is moot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:


      So there's absolutely no chance a qb would fumble the snap & the opposing team ends up scoring..........no chance whatsoever......physically impossible........correct?


    actually this is irrelevant... either scenario can be impacted equally by a fumbled snap on a kneel down... as the game played out (without Greene taking a dive), there was an opportunity for the Jets to fumble the snap near midfield at the end of the game... could have happened in either scenario, and in the latter case, it would have happened near midfield instead of near the Patriots goal line (albeit with possibly more time on the clock)... at best, that point is moot!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 6:46 PM ET #252

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     Since neither has happened but both are possible, you're just guessing on the odds........thanks for playing.

    Is it more likely that the earth blows up because of a kid with a paper clip or a kid with a nuclear arsenal?  Neither have happened, but I think you can safely assume one is more likely than the other

    Surely, you are not trying to say that you cant assign probabilities because something hasnt happened before (a la 14daroad)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:


     Since neither has happened but both are possible, you're just guessing on the odds........thanks for playing.

    Is it more likely that the earth blows up because of a kid with a paper clip or a kid with a nuclear arsenal?  Neither have happened, but I think you can safely assume one is more likely than the other

    Surely, you are not trying to say that you cant assign probabilities because something hasnt happened before (a la 14daroad)?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 6:47 PM ET #253

    Man I haven't posted in years but just like Van I get worked up at how people don't get it.

    Want an example???

    November 4th, 2001 the Bears scored 14pts in the final 28 seconds to tie the Browns and eventually won on a walkoff INT-TD by Mike Brown.  (Of course I had CLE +4)  This game taught me to NEVER think something is in the bag.

     

    https://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=211104003

     

    This is just one example off the top of my head...I'm sure its happened before.  Skins came close against the Eagles down 11 late kicking a FG, getting onside kick and then a late TD but missing 2pt conversion.

    Of course, watch some team fumble the kneel-down before we see another cle/chi ending from 9 years ago.

     

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    Man I haven't posted in years but just like Van I get worked up at how people don't get it.

    Want an example???

    November 4th, 2001 the Bears scored 14pts in the final 28 seconds to tie the Browns and eventually won on a walkoff INT-TD by Mike Brown.  (Of course I had CLE +4)  This game taught me to NEVER think something is in the bag.

     

    https://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=211104003

     

    This is just one example off the top of my head...I'm sure its happened before.  Skins came close against the Eagles down 11 late kicking a FG, getting onside kick and then a late TD but missing 2pt conversion.

    Of course, watch some team fumble the kneel-down before we see another cle/chi ending from 9 years ago.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 6:53 PM ET #254

    Quote Originally Posted by LUNCHBOX:

    Man I haven't posted in years but just like Van I get worked up at how people don't get it.

    Want an example???

    November 4th, 2001 the Bears scored 14pts in the final 28 seconds to tie the Browns and eventually won on a walkoff INT-TD by Mike Brown.  (Of course I had CLE +4)  This game taught me to NEVER think something is in the bag.

     

    https://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=211104003

     

    This is just one example off the top of my head...I'm sure its happened before.  Skins came close against the Eagles down 11 late kicking a FG, getting onside kick and then a late TD but missing 2pt conversion.

    Of course, watch some team fumble the kneel-down before we see another cle/chi ending from 9 years ago.

     

    Thanks.  And Im sure there are others.  I just dont have a way to search them and cite them with a few clicks.

    I still cant believe there are several people who take the position that it is more likely to fumble a kneel down than the other team score twice in 1.42 with 1 timeout (disregarding the injury factor too) - but this thread proves that people will debate anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LUNCHBOX:

    Man I haven't posted in years but just like Van I get worked up at how people don't get it.

    Want an example???

    November 4th, 2001 the Bears scored 14pts in the final 28 seconds to tie the Browns and eventually won on a walkoff INT-TD by Mike Brown.  (Of course I had CLE +4)  This game taught me to NEVER think something is in the bag.

     

    https://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=211104003

     

    This is just one example off the top of my head...I'm sure its happened before.  Skins came close against the Eagles down 11 late kicking a FG, getting onside kick and then a late TD but missing 2pt conversion.

    Of course, watch some team fumble the kneel-down before we see another cle/chi ending from 9 years ago.

     

    Thanks.  And Im sure there are others.  I just dont have a way to search them and cite them with a few clicks.

    I still cant believe there are several people who take the position that it is more likely to fumble a kneel down than the other team score twice in 1.42 with 1 timeout (disregarding the injury factor too) - but this thread proves that people will debate anything.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 6:59 PM ET #255

    what do you think?  Jets & Greenbay

    Over in both games?

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    what do you think?  Jets & Greenbay

    Over in both games?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 7:01 PM ET #256

    No prob Van.  I just remember bc I lost...just like I did with this one when BC scored twice in the final 2:05 at VaTech in October 2007.  TD onsides kick then TD isn't that far fetched.  Score one TD and you're sweating the onside kick...why even take the risk?  Down 14 with the ball and time for 3 plays you have a chance.  Down 14 without the ball and no way to stop the clock you have no chance.

    https://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=272980259&period=4

     

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    No prob Van.  I just remember bc I lost...just like I did with this one when BC scored twice in the final 2:05 at VaTech in October 2007.  TD onsides kick then TD isn't that far fetched.  Score one TD and you're sweating the onside kick...why even take the risk?  Down 14 with the ball and time for 3 plays you have a chance.  Down 14 without the ball and no way to stop the clock you have no chance.

    https://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=272980259&period=4

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 7:20 PM ET #257

    Van,

    as a math guy and someone who uses math to his advantage while gambling, you are correct on point, but you missed one thing.The human element, these players aren't computers. I don't believe Rex Ryan was trying to run the score up, I think they were trying to run out the clock and he doesn't know any better as a young, excited head coach, nor did his team...........the only time I've seen it play out to your 100% factor was MJ Drew against the Jets last year...............Correct  and if Cromartie had fallen on the onsides kick it was over anyway...........

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    Van,

    as a math guy and someone who uses math to his advantage while gambling, you are correct on point, but you missed one thing.The human element, these players aren't computers. I don't believe Rex Ryan was trying to run the score up, I think they were trying to run out the clock and he doesn't know any better as a young, excited head coach, nor did his team...........the only time I've seen it play out to your 100% factor was MJ Drew against the Jets last year...............Correct  and if Cromartie had fallen on the onsides kick it was over anyway...........

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 7:33 PM ET #258

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Is it more likely that the earth blows up because of a kid with a paper clip or a kid with a nuclear arsenal?  Neither have happened, but I think you can safely assume one is more likely than the other

    Surely, you are not trying to say that you cant assign probabilities because something hasnt happened before (a la 14daroad)?


     No, originally I was simply pointing out that it is not a 100% certainty that kneeling on the ball, or trying to, will give you a victory.
      No, I don't argue that you can't assign probabilities on events that haven't occurred.........but in the scenario being discussed can you definitively assign the odds? Do you agree that there is only a .0001% chance of a fumbled snap & resulting score? Would you not agree that that figure is a guess?
     I'm not going to argue against the point of your thread, van. I happen to agree with it. But since either scenario is a very remote possibility, I don't think about it much. Wouldn't it be interesting if the 1st of the two to happen would be the botched snap on an attempted kneel down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Is it more likely that the earth blows up because of a kid with a paper clip or a kid with a nuclear arsenal?  Neither have happened, but I think you can safely assume one is more likely than the other

    Surely, you are not trying to say that you cant assign probabilities because something hasnt happened before (a la 14daroad)?


     No, originally I was simply pointing out that it is not a 100% certainty that kneeling on the ball, or trying to, will give you a victory.
      No, I don't argue that you can't assign probabilities on events that haven't occurred.........but in the scenario being discussed can you definitively assign the odds? Do you agree that there is only a .0001% chance of a fumbled snap & resulting score? Would you not agree that that figure is a guess?
     I'm not going to argue against the point of your thread, van. I happen to agree with it. But since either scenario is a very remote possibility, I don't think about it much. Wouldn't it be interesting if the 1st of the two to happen would be the botched snap on an attempted kneel down?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 7:40 PM ET #259

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:



    Wouldn't it be interesting if the 1st of the two to happen would be the botched snap on an attempted kneel down?


    it wouldn't be that interesting, unless it happened in a game where a player had intentionally not scored a TD that he could have... because the victory formation happens probably 100 times more often during a season, than the scenario we are discussing... maybe more than 100 times more often... so if someone loses on a botched snap during the victory formation before the proposed scenario happens, it is because there are 100s or 1000s of times more opportunities for it to happen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:



    Wouldn't it be interesting if the 1st of the two to happen would be the botched snap on an attempted kneel down?


    it wouldn't be that interesting, unless it happened in a game where a player had intentionally not scored a TD that he could have... because the victory formation happens probably 100 times more often during a season, than the scenario we are discussing... maybe more than 100 times more often... so if someone loses on a botched snap during the victory formation before the proposed scenario happens, it is because there are 100s or 1000s of times more opportunities for it to happen...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:



    it wouldn't be that interesting, unless it happened in a game where a player had intentionally not scored a TD that he could have...

     Which, I believe, is the point of this thread........

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    it wouldn't be that interesting, unless it happened in a game where a player had intentionally not scored a TD that he could have...

     Which, I believe, is the point of this thread........

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:


     No, originally I was simply pointing out that it is not a 100% certainty that kneeling on the ball, or trying to, will give you a victory.
      No, I don't argue that you can't assign probabilities on events that haven't occurred.........but in the scenario being discussed can you definitively assign the odds? Do you agree that there is only a .0001% chance of a fumbled snap & resulting score? Would you not agree that that figure is a guess?
     I'm not going to argue against the point of your thread, van. I happen to agree with it. But since either scenario is a very remote possibility, I don't think about it much. Wouldn't it be interesting if the 1st of the two to happen would be the botched snap on an attempted kneel down?

    Agree it is not 100%, and somewhere I took that back.

    But I cant agree on the relative difference between the likelihood of the 2 scenarios.  Scoring 2 td's in 1.42 with 1 timeout is a much higher likelihood than a botched snap on a kneeldown and a 90 yard TD drive.  If you set a line on which of those would happen first, it would be 100-1.

    So while both are remote, and neither is 100%, the RELATIVE difference between the two IMO is not close - which is precisely the debate at hand.  And to say that you cant assign a probability to those 2 events happening because they have never happened (BTW - I dont know if it has happened) or that they are equal probability because neither has happened is not true.

    Once again, somewhere buried in this thread I took back my 100% claim when someone asked the same question, and said 99.9%.  So I agree - it is possible to fumble a snap and the other team score a 90 yard TD.

    But the point is once again my original post - it is very simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:


     No, originally I was simply pointing out that it is not a 100% certainty that kneeling on the ball, or trying to, will give you a victory.
      No, I don't argue that you can't assign probabilities on events that haven't occurred.........but in the scenario being discussed can you definitively assign the odds? Do you agree that there is only a .0001% chance of a fumbled snap & resulting score? Would you not agree that that figure is a guess?
     I'm not going to argue against the point of your thread, van. I happen to agree with it. But since either scenario is a very remote possibility, I don't think about it much. Wouldn't it be interesting if the 1st of the two to happen would be the botched snap on an attempted kneel down?

    Agree it is not 100%, and somewhere I took that back.

    But I cant agree on the relative difference between the likelihood of the 2 scenarios.  Scoring 2 td's in 1.42 with 1 timeout is a much higher likelihood than a botched snap on a kneeldown and a 90 yard TD drive.  If you set a line on which of those would happen first, it would be 100-1.

    So while both are remote, and neither is 100%, the RELATIVE difference between the two IMO is not close - which is precisely the debate at hand.  And to say that you cant assign a probability to those 2 events happening because they have never happened (BTW - I dont know if it has happened) or that they are equal probability because neither has happened is not true.

    Once again, somewhere buried in this thread I took back my 100% claim when someone asked the same question, and said 99.9%.  So I agree - it is possible to fumble a snap and the other team score a 90 yard TD.

    But the point is once again my original post - it is very simple.

     
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    the odds against a fumble on a kneel down WHICH IS RECOVERED BY THE OTHER TEAM is as close to 100% as anything you will ever see in football.  The QB is surrounded by his teammates.  there's a guy behind him playing safety.  both the QB and the center are hyper-aware of the snap.  The chances of a fumble may be less than 100% (but pretty close in my opinion), but the odds of the other team recovering it are astronomical to the point of being ludicrous. 
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    the odds against a fumble on a kneel down WHICH IS RECOVERED BY THE OTHER TEAM is as close to 100% as anything you will ever see in football.  The QB is surrounded by his teammates.  there's a guy behind him playing safety.  both the QB and the center are hyper-aware of the snap.  The chances of a fumble may be less than 100% (but pretty close in my opinion), but the odds of the other team recovering it are astronomical to the point of being ludicrous. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 9:18 PM ET #263

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    And as far as 14daroad, I find it even more amusing that your'e basically refuting the point that Vanzack is trying to make, by saying he has no data and no fact, but then you explicitly say the exact same thing, on the other side of the argument. You may as well have said "I disagree with you, and want to completely discard you're factless argument, by introducing a factless argument"

    Except I'm not making a "factless argument"

    It is a fact that there is no team that has ever lost by scoring when they could have taken a knee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    And as far as 14daroad, I find it even more amusing that your'e basically refuting the point that Vanzack is trying to make, by saying he has no data and no fact, but then you explicitly say the exact same thing, on the other side of the argument. You may as well have said "I disagree with you, and want to completely discard you're factless argument, by introducing a factless argument"

    Except I'm not making a "factless argument"

    It is a fact that there is no team that has ever lost by scoring when they could have taken a knee.
    daroadkill........stop typing and go home!........you are a tool...................stay with posts that you actually believe you make any intelligent statements in.....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Is it more likely that the earth blows up because of a kid with a paper clip or a kid with a nuclear arsenal?  Neither have happened, but I think you can safely assume one is more likely than the other

    Surely, you are not trying to say that you cant assign probabilities because something hasnt happened before (a la 14daroad)?

    Interesting thread!  So by your rationale, TD= Paper Clip and Kneeling = Nuclear Arsenal.....

    Just teasing u bro, I get what you're saying! But I'll bet that we never see your disaster happening when a team is down 2TD's, 1.42 left, in a big game....

    Can it happen? Yes   Will it happen? Noooooooo. Never ever. Ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Is it more likely that the earth blows up because of a kid with a paper clip or a kid with a nuclear arsenal?  Neither have happened, but I think you can safely assume one is more likely than the other

    Surely, you are not trying to say that you cant assign probabilities because something hasnt happened before (a la 14daroad)?

    Interesting thread!  So by your rationale, TD= Paper Clip and Kneeling = Nuclear Arsenal.....

    Just teasing u bro, I get what you're saying! But I'll bet that we never see your disaster happening when a team is down 2TD's, 1.42 left, in a big game....

    Can it happen? Yes   Will it happen? Noooooooo. Never ever. Ever!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 11:05 PM ET #265

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:


     Which, I believe, is the point of this thread........



    ok fine... but that gets us right back to the core issue of "probability"... what has the greater chance of happening, IF we consider this scenario?

    1) Team A intentionally does not score a TD, and loses because they fumble the snap on a kneel down?

    2) Team A does score a TD, leaving too much time on the clock, and Team B finds a way to score a TD, get the onside kick and score another TD?

    that is what this thread is all about... and if you are suggesting they have a better chance of losing in the first scenario, then you are certifiably insane!
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     Which, I believe, is the point of this thread........



    ok fine... but that gets us right back to the core issue of "probability"... what has the greater chance of happening, IF we consider this scenario?

    1) Team A intentionally does not score a TD, and loses because they fumble the snap on a kneel down?

    2) Team A does score a TD, leaving too much time on the clock, and Team B finds a way to score a TD, get the onside kick and score another TD?

    that is what this thread is all about... and if you are suggesting they have a better chance of losing in the first scenario, then you are certifiably insane!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I could make a post that the sky is blue and there would be a handful of people willing to debate me to make a name for themselves.

    The major argument against me in this thread is that you cant assign probabilities to someting that hasnt already happened.  But I can say that it is more likely that the sun will come up on Feb 1, 2011 than it wont, even though it hasnt happened yet.

    But you are right, it is silly at this point.

    Man there are A LOT of idiots in here.......PEOPLE,listen up...just because a scenario  hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it will never happen. Ask Warren Buffet about probabilities. EVERY one of his insurance companies re-structured their claim policy after 911 to EXCLUDE coverage for nuclear disaster.

    Has a nuclear bomb ever been detonated on a US city...nope.......but the probability does exist and it can be quantified.

    Same thing applies to a kneel down/fumble recovered by opposing team. Can it happen ....yes.Although HIGHLY unlikely.....but probabilities can be applied here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I could make a post that the sky is blue and there would be a handful of people willing to debate me to make a name for themselves.

    The major argument against me in this thread is that you cant assign probabilities to someting that hasnt already happened.  But I can say that it is more likely that the sun will come up on Feb 1, 2011 than it wont, even though it hasnt happened yet.

    But you are right, it is silly at this point.

    Man there are A LOT of idiots in here.......PEOPLE,listen up...just because a scenario  hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it will never happen. Ask Warren Buffet about probabilities. EVERY one of his insurance companies re-structured their claim policy after 911 to EXCLUDE coverage for nuclear disaster.

    Has a nuclear bomb ever been detonated on a US city...nope.......but the probability does exist and it can be quantified.

    Same thing applies to a kneel down/fumble recovered by opposing team. Can it happen ....yes.Although HIGHLY unlikely.....but probabilities can be applied here.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2011 - 12:18 AM ET #267

    kneel down assures  victory 99.99 %

    scoring td leaves door slighly open for your opponent to score/onside kick/score again.............ala seahawks just this past weekend.

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    kneel down assures  victory 99.99 %

    scoring td leaves door slighly open for your opponent to score/onside kick/score again.............ala seahawks just this past weekend.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2011 - 12:32 AM ET #268

    I have seen a fumble in the victory formation....it wasn't recovered by the other team however. Can't remember what team it was and when.............it was years ago.

     

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    I have seen a fumble in the victory formation....it wasn't recovered by the other team however. Can't remember what team it was and when.............it was years ago.

     

     
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    Take the knee

    When Chris Rainey played for Lakeland HS a few years back they were playing for the Florida Championship. Lakeland had a very long winning streak and were ahead by 14 with about 3 minutes to go and Rainey ran 68 tards to go up 21.

    The other team scored, recovered 2 onside kicks and scored 21 to send the game into OT. Lakeland won, but if Rainey takes a knee at the ine and they just eat up a few minutes the game is over

    Westbrook did this for the Phila Eagles a few tears back. took a knee at the 1 and they took a few knees and WON the game

    Take the knee

     

     

     

     

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    When Chris Rainey played for Lakeland HS a few years back they were playing for the Florida Championship. Lakeland had a very long winning streak and were ahead by 14 with about 3 minutes to go and Rainey ran 68 tards to go up 21.

    The other team scored, recovered 2 onside kicks and scored 21 to send the game into OT. Lakeland won, but if Rainey takes a knee at the ine and they just eat up a few minutes the game is over

    Westbrook did this for the Phila Eagles a few tears back. took a knee at the 1 and they took a few knees and WON the game

    Take the knee

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jordyn31:

    Take the knee

    When Chris Rainey played for Lakeland HS a few years back they were playing for the Florida Championship. Lakeland had a very long winning streak and were ahead by 14 with about 3 minutes to go and Rainey ran 68 tards to go up 21.

    The other team scored, recovered 2 onside kicks and scored 21 to send the game into OT. Lakeland won, but if Rainey takes a knee at the ine and they just eat up a few minutes the game is over

    Westbrook did this for the Phila Eagles a few tears back. took a knee at the 1 and they took a few knees and WON the game

    Take the knee

     

     

     

     

    Wow.  Thanks for posting that.  I realize the critics will say it wasnt the NFL, and I agree it is not to further this debate - but this story is quite amazing.

    Greatest High School Game Ever Played.....

    Rainey made sure no one gave that a second thought on the very next possession, as he broke the will once again and broke to the outside, raced 55-yards for the score giving the Dreadnaughts a 35-14 lead with just 2:25 seconds left in the game. Rainey would lead all rushers tonight with 287 yards, and three touchdowns.

    In the next series, the Raiders just used sideline passes to keep the clock stopped, but the drive seemed harmless as the clock continued to be an enemy for St. Thomas Aquinas all evening long. Even when QB Wes Carroll scored on an eight yard touchdown run it looked to be more of a formality about how bad the Raiders losing, instead it was the turning point for St. Thomas.

    After that touchdown, the Raiders were forced to hope for a little luck as kicker Wes Byrum went for the onside kick. Surprisingly, the gamble worked for St. Thomas, but come on their was still only 1:35 seconds left in the game. They couldn't possibly think, well you know. Shortly after recovering the onside kick, the Raiders pulled even closer when Harden scored his second touchdown of the night on a 4-yard scamper and the lead was now at one possession as the Raider crowd was going wild.

    "We weren't about to give up. Our team has come too far to just pack everything in," said Carroll. "We just felt with a couple more breaks anything can happen."

    Boy did it ever. With 44 seconds left on the clock, the Raiders went back to the onside kick and this time it appeared the Dreadnaughts had the ball recovered, but upon recovering the ball, Lakeland CB Ahmad Black was hit as he started to pull in the loose ball. The ball then popped free and the Raiders gobbled up the fumble as the fans that have left early were crawling, scratching, and begging to get back into Dolphin Stadium as history was in the making. Could Lakeland actually blow a 21-point lead in just two minutes of play?

    That question was quickly answered by St. Thomas Aquinas WR Leonard Hankerson two plays later, when he hauled in a 14-yard touchdown pass from Carroll and the unthinkable had happened as the Lakeland players and crowd remained stunned with just 38 seconds left in the game, and all tied up at 35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jordyn31:

    Take the knee

    When Chris Rainey played for Lakeland HS a few years back they were playing for the Florida Championship. Lakeland had a very long winning streak and were ahead by 14 with about 3 minutes to go and Rainey ran 68 tards to go up 21.

    The other team scored, recovered 2 onside kicks and scored 21 to send the game into OT. Lakeland won, but if Rainey takes a knee at the ine and they just eat up a few minutes the game is over

    Westbrook did this for the Phila Eagles a few tears back. took a knee at the 1 and they took a few knees and WON the game

    Take the knee

     

     

     

     

    Wow.  Thanks for posting that.  I realize the critics will say it wasnt the NFL, and I agree it is not to further this debate - but this story is quite amazing.

    Greatest High School Game Ever Played.....

    Rainey made sure no one gave that a second thought on the very next possession, as he broke the will once again and broke to the outside, raced 55-yards for the score giving the Dreadnaughts a 35-14 lead with just 2:25 seconds left in the game. Rainey would lead all rushers tonight with 287 yards, and three touchdowns.

    In the next series, the Raiders just used sideline passes to keep the clock stopped, but the drive seemed harmless as the clock continued to be an enemy for St. Thomas Aquinas all evening long. Even when QB Wes Carroll scored on an eight yard touchdown run it looked to be more of a formality about how bad the Raiders losing, instead it was the turning point for St. Thomas.

    After that touchdown, the Raiders were forced to hope for a little luck as kicker Wes Byrum went for the onside kick. Surprisingly, the gamble worked for St. Thomas, but come on their was still only 1:35 seconds left in the game. They couldn't possibly think, well you know. Shortly after recovering the onside kick, the Raiders pulled even closer when Harden scored his second touchdown of the night on a 4-yard scamper and the lead was now at one possession as the Raider crowd was going wild.

    "We weren't about to give up. Our team has come too far to just pack everything in," said Carroll. "We just felt with a couple more breaks anything can happen."

    Boy did it ever. With 44 seconds left on the clock, the Raiders went back to the onside kick and this time it appeared the Dreadnaughts had the ball recovered, but upon recovering the ball, Lakeland CB Ahmad Black was hit as he started to pull in the loose ball. The ball then popped free and the Raiders gobbled up the fumble as the fans that have left early were crawling, scratching, and begging to get back into Dolphin Stadium as history was in the making. Could Lakeland actually blow a 21-point lead in just two minutes of play?

    That question was quickly answered by St. Thomas Aquinas WR Leonard Hankerson two plays later, when he hauled in a 14-yard touchdown pass from Carroll and the unthinkable had happened as the Lakeland players and crowd remained stunned with just 38 seconds left in the game, and all tied up at 35.

     
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    Look at the names in that short excerpt:

    Leonard Hankerson - U of Miami
    Wesley Carroll - QB FIU
    Wes Byrum - Kicker Auburn (just kicked the winning FG in Nat Chmp)
    Ahmad Black - UF safety
    Chris Rainey - UF QB

    Pretty amazing...

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    Look at the names in that short excerpt:

    Leonard Hankerson - U of Miami
    Wesley Carroll - QB FIU
    Wes Byrum - Kicker Auburn (just kicked the winning FG in Nat Chmp)
    Ahmad Black - UF safety
    Chris Rainey - UF QB

    Pretty amazing...

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2011 - 10:22 PM ET #272

    These type of situations have to be thought of before the play starts, when Westbrook did it for the Eagles he broke free could of scored but downed the ball at the 1 yard line..

    If I was a coach I would work on these type of situations.

    For instance if a player is going to get creamed between the 10 and 15 yard line, instead of fighting for a few extra yards to the 8, go down at the 12, where you have a chance for a first down at the 2 !!  It is better than first and goal from the 8. Many more options

    I was taught these things by my first baseball coach in HS. We would do drill after drill on what I would do if I was at bat, in the field, or on base.That is why the Westbrook play stands out in my mind. He thought about it BEFORE the play

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    These type of situations have to be thought of before the play starts, when Westbrook did it for the Eagles he broke free could of scored but downed the ball at the 1 yard line..

    If I was a coach I would work on these type of situations.

    For instance if a player is going to get creamed between the 10 and 15 yard line, instead of fighting for a few extra yards to the 8, go down at the 12, where you have a chance for a first down at the 2 !!  It is better than first and goal from the 8. Many more options

    I was taught these things by my first baseball coach in HS. We would do drill after drill on what I would do if I was at bat, in the field, or on base.That is why the Westbrook play stands out in my mind. He thought about it BEFORE the play

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Every time I think covers cant get dumber, the bar is lowered.

    Congrats.

     

    If you remeber and obviously you don't, when Westbrook took a knee the Eaglers needed a FG to win the game, it was tied at the time.

    The Eagles then ran the clock down and kick it on the final play.

    Those chip shot FG's have been missed before, and the Eagles could of lost in OT.

    Eventual some team will come along and miss that FG after some player kneels at the 1 yd line.

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    Every time I think covers cant get dumber, the bar is lowered.

    Congrats.

     

    If you remeber and obviously you don't, when Westbrook took a knee the Eaglers needed a FG to win the game, it was tied at the time.

    The Eagles then ran the clock down and kick it on the final play.

    Those chip shot FG's have been missed before, and the Eagles could of lost in OT.

    Eventual some team will come along and miss that FG after some player kneels at the 1 yd line.

     
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    Look at it this way - The Patriots were happy to have the Jets score as it gave them a chance.  Also who is to say that the Pats did not intentionally let them score.  Letting them score was the right play and is often the right play at the end of a game.  So few do it, so few announcers ever mention it.  Packers did it at the end of the Super Bowl against Denver when the game was tied and Denver in FG range.  Rather than letting them run the clock down to 3 seconds and kicking for the win the gave up the TD and got the ball and a chance.  

    Jets gave them a chance - the dagger was a knee, not a TD.

    As for all the bs about Ryan and the Jets wanting to run it up - they were just trying to get a first down to end the game.  He broke free and scored. No way Ryan was looking to score to run it up in that spot. And I'm sure his heart was in his throat when they lined up for the onside kick - when he could have been in the locker room already.






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    Look at it this way - The Patriots were happy to have the Jets score as it gave them a chance.  Also who is to say that the Pats did not intentionally let them score.  Letting them score was the right play and is often the right play at the end of a game.  So few do it, so few announcers ever mention it.  Packers did it at the end of the Super Bowl against Denver when the game was tied and Denver in FG range.  Rather than letting them run the clock down to 3 seconds and kicking for the win the gave up the TD and got the ball and a chance.  

    Jets gave them a chance - the dagger was a knee, not a TD.

    As for all the bs about Ryan and the Jets wanting to run it up - they were just trying to get a first down to end the game.  He broke free and scored. No way Ryan was looking to score to run it up in that spot. And I'm sure his heart was in his throat when they lined up for the onside kick - when he could have been in the locker room already.






     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    If you remeber and obviously you don't, when Westbrook took a knee the Eaglers needed a FG to win the game, it was tied at the time.

    The Eagles then ran the clock down and kick it on the final play.

    Those chip shot FG's have been missed before, and the Eagles could of lost in OT.

    Eventual some team will come along and miss that FG after some player kneels at the 1 yd line.



    holy crap, Claw... you can't seriously be arguing this!  i have generally considered you to be pretty sharp, but this is ridiculous!  give it up!
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    If you remeber and obviously you don't, when Westbrook took a knee the Eaglers needed a FG to win the game, it was tied at the time.

    The Eagles then ran the clock down and kick it on the final play.

    Those chip shot FG's have been missed before, and the Eagles could of lost in OT.

    Eventual some team will come along and miss that FG after some player kneels at the 1 yd line.



    holy crap, Claw... you can't seriously be arguing this!  i have generally considered you to be pretty sharp, but this is ridiculous!  give it up!
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