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Do you know what makes lines move?? $$$$$$MONEY$$$$$$$$$$.
Finally, a person on the site that knows how things work.
No sense trying to have a disscusion with lost souls.
My father came me some of the best advice I've ever recieved, when I was a youngster and he said,............................................... son, when you go out it the world you'll run into people who are so dumb they don't even know how dumb they are for these people you'll need to exercise calm and understanding because you'll never convince them they are not dumb, cause if you could they would not be dumb to begin with................................................![]()
Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):
The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking). If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over. Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run.
There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization.
Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton? Brady? Rodgers? Because they don't care what the game plan is. They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach. They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball.
The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums. Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling. They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.
In the end, it's only an EDGE. Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't. NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING. If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win? I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.
Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):
The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking). If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over. Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run.
There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization.
Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton? Brady? Rodgers? Because they don't care what the game plan is. They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach. They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball.
The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums. Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling. They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.
In the end, it's only an EDGE. Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't. NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING. If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win? I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.
22 ppl don't need to fix a game. It takes one guy player who's a receiver a QB, RB or official
Maybe you don't need all 22, but you make it sound like one player can throw it, catch it, break tackles, and run punts/kicks back all by himself to insure a fix. What if the other team came out to play? One player can only do so much, as the game is dictating what he can do. It's not insane that a RB gets benched if he fumbles more than once, then what can he do to fix it? A QB can't stop other teams from scoring, so he can only fix half of it at best. It's still just an EDGE and nothing is guaranteed, unless everyone is in on it, which they're not.
22 ppl don't need to fix a game. It takes one guy player who's a receiver a QB, RB or official
Maybe you don't need all 22, but you make it sound like one player can throw it, catch it, break tackles, and run punts/kicks back all by himself to insure a fix. What if the other team came out to play? One player can only do so much, as the game is dictating what he can do. It's not insane that a RB gets benched if he fumbles more than once, then what can he do to fix it? A QB can't stop other teams from scoring, so he can only fix half of it at best. It's still just an EDGE and nothing is guaranteed, unless everyone is in on it, which they're not.
Lol u call me a moron but I missed the oak game by 1 pt and went 100 percent during the day, hope u fade me next week I'm hitting 70 percent.
2+2 = 4
College players are bought mostly to get them to attend the school, or keep them there and keep them happy. If there are some documented cases (div-1/FBS) of college football athletes bought to throw games or fix outcomes, please show me those incidents. I'm not saying it doesn't, or has never happened, but if you are so sure it has, please share.
NFL is different, as those players are paid a lot of money. Especially the ones that could alter the outcome of the game.
As for you being a moron, if you truly believe the results of all these games are under the control of the NFL and Las Vegas, then I stand by what I said. I never stated you were a bad capper, or that I was a good one, nor did I state any intention to fade you, or anyone for that matter, ever, in any thread.
Good luck on your goal of 70%.![]()
Lol u call me a moron but I missed the oak game by 1 pt and went 100 percent during the day, hope u fade me next week I'm hitting 70 percent.
2+2 = 4
College players are bought mostly to get them to attend the school, or keep them there and keep them happy. If there are some documented cases (div-1/FBS) of college football athletes bought to throw games or fix outcomes, please show me those incidents. I'm not saying it doesn't, or has never happened, but if you are so sure it has, please share.
NFL is different, as those players are paid a lot of money. Especially the ones that could alter the outcome of the game.
As for you being a moron, if you truly believe the results of all these games are under the control of the NFL and Las Vegas, then I stand by what I said. I never stated you were a bad capper, or that I was a good one, nor did I state any intention to fade you, or anyone for that matter, ever, in any thread.
Good luck on your goal of 70%.![]()
Lol you guys think they play out the script like it was some kind of film, ofc. this is as unreal as a film is, even tho it seems more authentic, but despite that fact its much easier fixed. Just one play or one call and its gg and fixed. Sometimes u need 2-3 more calls or fake plays to fix it but thats about it. Not hard to set up. And then the rest of the game is played like it was absolutely for real to make believe that this is a legit product.
But who decides when to fix it?? Who decides which games?? Who calls what players? You keep mocking people for suggesting theories, but you have given none that are plausible.
Obviously one call or one play CAN (and HAS) determined the outcome of the game. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS FIXED!!
You said Vegas was fixing games to avoid taking a hit on a public heavy game. I just want to know at what point that decision is made, and what tangible evidence you have that it has happened.
Who fixed the Raiders game? I'm done arguing the line movement. Fine, let's just say you are right and 16 was a GREAT number for the books. Who decided that it fell on 16? What players, refs, calls, etc, made that happen?
"Manning, drop the ball".....LOL......it's comments like this that give you ZERO credibility. ZERO!!! Football is NOT that simple. Sure, there could be a spot in a game where Manning could F up a play and make something happen, but so many other things have to be in place BEFORE that happens that even have a shot at being in that situation.
So.......I still await your evidence.................
.............sounds like a lot of you "fixed" guys are just upset about losses you took at some point, or just sore losers and/or crybabies. I mean, if you were winning on these fixes, why be upset about it.
I mean let's look at it this way. If Vegas and the NFL and the players and the refs are really controlling the outcome of games beforehand, and you have PROOF of it, IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST STORIES/SCANDALS IN SPORTS HISTORY!! But you are hear on covers, not providing anything except wild "theories" and trying to act like you know what's going on, when in reality you don't know jack $hit.
Lol you guys think they play out the script like it was some kind of film, ofc. this is as unreal as a film is, even tho it seems more authentic, but despite that fact its much easier fixed. Just one play or one call and its gg and fixed. Sometimes u need 2-3 more calls or fake plays to fix it but thats about it. Not hard to set up. And then the rest of the game is played like it was absolutely for real to make believe that this is a legit product.
But who decides when to fix it?? Who decides which games?? Who calls what players? You keep mocking people for suggesting theories, but you have given none that are plausible.
Obviously one call or one play CAN (and HAS) determined the outcome of the game. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS FIXED!!
You said Vegas was fixing games to avoid taking a hit on a public heavy game. I just want to know at what point that decision is made, and what tangible evidence you have that it has happened.
Who fixed the Raiders game? I'm done arguing the line movement. Fine, let's just say you are right and 16 was a GREAT number for the books. Who decided that it fell on 16? What players, refs, calls, etc, made that happen?
"Manning, drop the ball".....LOL......it's comments like this that give you ZERO credibility. ZERO!!! Football is NOT that simple. Sure, there could be a spot in a game where Manning could F up a play and make something happen, but so many other things have to be in place BEFORE that happens that even have a shot at being in that situation.
So.......I still await your evidence.................
.............sounds like a lot of you "fixed" guys are just upset about losses you took at some point, or just sore losers and/or crybabies. I mean, if you were winning on these fixes, why be upset about it.
I mean let's look at it this way. If Vegas and the NFL and the players and the refs are really controlling the outcome of games beforehand, and you have PROOF of it, IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST STORIES/SCANDALS IN SPORTS HISTORY!! But you are hear on covers, not providing anything except wild "theories" and trying to act like you know what's going on, when in reality you don't know jack $hit.
Bk, youre such a clown lol. Do you really think someone that likes Oakland will sit and wait for the line to jump? You cant expect a line to jump. You know, its not like i like the Giants +3 line by sunday, and then i say "Ok i will just wait till the line hits +7" lol. Thats not how it works. People take the -14.5 coz they think its the right side. The line increases to 17 and this makes people think Denver is the right side of the coin so they will just jump on it too. At worst, it will be 50/50 and they will just take the juice.
Of course you don't KNOW a line will move. But if you are on the fence on a game, and then the line DOES move, you can hit it. If the line stays, or moves the other way, you pass.
If the line increase to 17 makes you think Denver is the play, and you take it, that's a square play. Sharps get good lines, and pass on bad ones. The value at taking Denver at -17 was gone, the ship had sailed. People making bets at Denverm-16/-17 would not have been heavy hitters playing big $$$. So based on that, I would say more money was probably coming in on Oakland at that point, because anyone looking to get a big bet on them that hadn't bet already would have hit them at the higher line.
Again, that is why lines move, to balance the money.
Bk, youre such a clown lol. Do you really think someone that likes Oakland will sit and wait for the line to jump? You cant expect a line to jump. You know, its not like i like the Giants +3 line by sunday, and then i say "Ok i will just wait till the line hits +7" lol. Thats not how it works. People take the -14.5 coz they think its the right side. The line increases to 17 and this makes people think Denver is the right side of the coin so they will just jump on it too. At worst, it will be 50/50 and they will just take the juice.
Of course you don't KNOW a line will move. But if you are on the fence on a game, and then the line DOES move, you can hit it. If the line stays, or moves the other way, you pass.
If the line increase to 17 makes you think Denver is the play, and you take it, that's a square play. Sharps get good lines, and pass on bad ones. The value at taking Denver at -17 was gone, the ship had sailed. People making bets at Denverm-16/-17 would not have been heavy hitters playing big $$$. So based on that, I would say more money was probably coming in on Oakland at that point, because anyone looking to get a big bet on them that hadn't bet already would have hit them at the higher line.
Again, that is why lines move, to balance the money.
Lol u really think thats how it works? That u call all 22 players together to make a play this way or that? Its much more simple than that. Its just say, hey Manning, drop the ball fumble. Easy. Then its done deal.
LOL you've never played sports before, have you. Why would Manning help some Vegas bookie, when Sony, Nike, and his sponsors pay him way more than anyone else can to play football legitimately? He would lose all of that if he ever was found fixing a game, you'd be an IDIOT to but all that at risk. You don't read very well do you, you didn't address any of my points.
Lol u really think thats how it works? That u call all 22 players together to make a play this way or that? Its much more simple than that. Its just say, hey Manning, drop the ball fumble. Easy. Then its done deal.
LOL you've never played sports before, have you. Why would Manning help some Vegas bookie, when Sony, Nike, and his sponsors pay him way more than anyone else can to play football legitimately? He would lose all of that if he ever was found fixing a game, you'd be an IDIOT to but all that at risk. You don't read very well do you, you didn't address any of my points.
Vegas and sportsbooks don't alter games much. It's players coaches and refs who do. A phantom call goes a looooong way
Vegas and sportsbooks don't alter games much. It's players coaches and refs who do. A phantom call goes a looooong way
Man you guys have some wack conspiracy theories. All BK wanted was for you to come up with one semi-intelligent plausible theory, and all you guys could do was some references from other conspiracy theory (not factual) sites.
Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):
The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking). If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over. Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run.
There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization.
Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton? Brady? Rodgers? Because they don't care what the game plan is. They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach. They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball.
The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums. Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling. They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.
In the end, it's only an EDGE. Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't. NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING. If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win? I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.
Man you guys have some wack conspiracy theories. All BK wanted was for you to come up with one semi-intelligent plausible theory, and all you guys could do was some references from other conspiracy theory (not factual) sites.
Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):
The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking). If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over. Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run.
There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization.
Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton? Brady? Rodgers? Because they don't care what the game plan is. They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach. They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball.
The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums. Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling. They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.
In the end, it's only an EDGE. Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't. NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING. If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win? I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.
Man you guys have some wack conspiracy theories. All BK wanted was for you to come up with one semi-intelligent plausible theory, and all you guys could do was some references from other conspiracy theory (not factual) sites.
Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):
The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking). If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over. Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run.
There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization.
Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton? Brady? Rodgers? Because they don't care what the game plan is. They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach. They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball.
The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums. Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling. They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.
In the end, it's only an EDGE. Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't. NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING. If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win? I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.
Man you guys have some wack conspiracy theories. All BK wanted was for you to come up with one semi-intelligent plausible theory, and all you guys could do was some references from other conspiracy theory (not factual) sites.
Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):
The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking). If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over. Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run.
There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization.
Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton? Brady? Rodgers? Because they don't care what the game plan is. They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach. They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball.
The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums. Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling. They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.
In the end, it's only an EDGE. Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't. NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING. If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win? I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.
LOL you've never played sports before, have you. Why would Manning help some Vegas bookie, when Sony, Nike, and his sponsors pay him way more than anyone else can to play football legitimately? He would lose all of that if he ever was found fixing a game, you'd be an IDIOT to but all that at risk. You don't read very well do you, you didn't address any of my points.
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LOL you've never played sports before, have you. Why would Manning help some Vegas bookie, when Sony, Nike, and his sponsors pay him way more than anyone else can to play football legitimately? He would lose all of that if he ever was found fixing a game, you'd be an IDIOT to but all that at risk. You don't read very well do you, you didn't address any of my points.
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