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    kaboons
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 6:25 PM ET #301

    Lol u call me a moron but I missed the oak game by 1 pt and went 100 percent during the day, hope u fade me next week I'm hitting 70 percent.

    And tool head batman, these players are bought in college so they can return the favor next ten years+ in the pros but obviously you have trouble putting 2 and 2 together 
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    Lol u call me a moron but I missed the oak game by 1 pt and went 100 percent during the day, hope u fade me next week I'm hitting 70 percent.

    And tool head batman, these players are bought in college so they can return the favor next ten years+ in the pros but obviously you have trouble putting 2 and 2 together 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 6:27 PM ET #302

    Vegas and sportsbooks don't alter games much. It's players coaches and refs who do. A phantom call goes a looooong way
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    Vegas and sportsbooks don't alter games much. It's players coaches and refs who do. A phantom call goes a looooong way
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 6:31 PM ET #303

    Wiz not disagreeing, I believe the thread was started to state games were rigged, I was stating possible reasons why, but Vegas lines do ruin the integrity of the games, whose in on it? Humans. 
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    Wiz not disagreeing, I believe the thread was started to state games were rigged, I was stating possible reasons why, but Vegas lines do ruin the integrity of the games, whose in on it? Humans. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 6:37 PM ET #304

    Bk, youre such a clown lol. Do you really think someone that likes Oakland will sit and wait for the line to jump? You cant expect a line to jump. You know, its not like i like the Giants +3 line by sunday, and then i say "Ok i will just wait till the line hits +7" lol. Thats not how it works. People take the -14.5 coz they think its the right side. The line increases to 17 and this makes people think Denver is the right side of the coin so they will just jump on it too. At worst, it will be 50/50 and they will just take the juice. 
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    Bk, youre such a clown lol. Do you really think someone that likes Oakland will sit and wait for the line to jump? You cant expect a line to jump. You know, its not like i like the Giants +3 line by sunday, and then i say "Ok i will just wait till the line hits +7" lol. Thats not how it works. People take the -14.5 coz they think its the right side. The line increases to 17 and this makes people think Denver is the right side of the coin so they will just jump on it too. At worst, it will be 50/50 and they will just take the juice. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 6:42 PM ET #305

    Boston I actually do wait til last minute to place a bet to see if I get better odds, but u are right the avg person just bets on the first number they see thinking they are right. 
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    Boston I actually do wait til last minute to place a bet to see if I get better odds, but u are right the avg person just bets on the first number they see thinking they are right. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 7:06 PM ET #306

    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:

    Do you know what makes lines move??  $$$$$$MONEY$$$$$$$$$$.

    Line opens up at Denver -13.5/-14 range. MONEY comes in on Denver, so the books MOVE THE LINE UP to balance it out.  It gets up as high as +16.5 or +17 for Oakland.  So the early money comes in on Denver, moves the line.  Now the Oakland backers jump in and take the +16 or +17.

    So please tell me how Vegas, or any large book benefited from this game falling on 16. And while you are at it, please specifically tell me what players/coaches/gm's/refs were involved in getting it to finish that way??  What mob bosses and casino owners dictated this game to end on 16, and why??

    After all, YOU  are the won that said it was NOT a coincidence.  

    Finally, a person on the site that knows how things work.

    No sense trying to have a disscusion with lost souls.

    My father came me some of the best advice I've ever recieved, when I was a youngster and he said,............................................... son, when you go out it the world you'll run into people who are so dumb they don't even know how dumb they are for these people you'll need to exercise calm and understanding because you'll never convince them they are not dumb, cause  if you could they would not be dumb to begin with................................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:

    Do you know what makes lines move??  $$$$$$MONEY$$$$$$$$$$.

    Line opens up at Denver -13.5/-14 range. MONEY comes in on Denver, so the books MOVE THE LINE UP to balance it out.  It gets up as high as +16.5 or +17 for Oakland.  So the early money comes in on Denver, moves the line.  Now the Oakland backers jump in and take the +16 or +17.

    So please tell me how Vegas, or any large book benefited from this game falling on 16. And while you are at it, please specifically tell me what players/coaches/gm's/refs were involved in getting it to finish that way??  What mob bosses and casino owners dictated this game to end on 16, and why??

    After all, YOU  are the won that said it was NOT a coincidence.  

    Finally, a person on the site that knows how things work.

    No sense trying to have a disscusion with lost souls.

    My father came me some of the best advice I've ever recieved, when I was a youngster and he said,............................................... son, when you go out it the world you'll run into people who are so dumb they don't even know how dumb they are for these people you'll need to exercise calm and understanding because you'll never convince them they are not dumb, cause  if you could they would not be dumb to begin with................................................

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 7:23 PM ET #307

    Man you guys have some wack conspiracy theories.  All BK wanted was for you to come up with one semi-intelligent plausible theory, and all you guys could do was some references from other conspiracy theory (not factual) sites. 

    Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):

    The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking).  If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over.  Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run. 

    There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization. 

    Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton?  Brady?  Rodgers?  Because they don't care what the game plan is.  They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach.  They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball. 
    The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums.  Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling.  They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.

    In the end, it's only an EDGE.  Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't.  NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING.  If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win?  I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.
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    Man you guys have some wack conspiracy theories.  All BK wanted was for you to come up with one semi-intelligent plausible theory, and all you guys could do was some references from other conspiracy theory (not factual) sites. 

    Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):

    The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking).  If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over.  Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run. 

    There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization. 

    Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton?  Brady?  Rodgers?  Because they don't care what the game plan is.  They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach.  They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball. 
    The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums.  Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling.  They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.

    In the end, it's only an EDGE.  Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't.  NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING.  If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win?  I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 7:37 PM ET #308

    Perhaps the guy had a wager on the game and fumble Causing oak to score?
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    Perhaps the guy had a wager on the game and fumble Causing oak to score?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 7:38 PM ET #309

    22 ppl don't need to fix a game. It takes one guy player who's a receiver a QB, RB or official
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    22 ppl don't need to fix a game. It takes one guy player who's a receiver a QB, RB or official
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 7:46 PM ET #310

    Cant believe this thread is still going on. Many uninformed people, first off as I said probably on page 1, learn how the spreads are made then you wont be shocked when there are games falling on the number, theoretically most should, again thats theoretically, giving the number comes about because of who the teams are, so thats first and foremost you should know how the line comes about before even betting IMO, that way youre going to find other angles to determine your bet and not because the number "looks" good to you. Im with the minority Im sure, these games arnt fixed, Ive been to that website years ago, its not much there I didnt already know, if everything is so fixed why are you needing to go back 20 and 30 years for examples, besides show me one instance where "Vegas" was in on a fix.
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    Cant believe this thread is still going on. Many uninformed people, first off as I said probably on page 1, learn how the spreads are made then you wont be shocked when there are games falling on the number, theoretically most should, again thats theoretically, giving the number comes about because of who the teams are, so thats first and foremost you should know how the line comes about before even betting IMO, that way youre going to find other angles to determine your bet and not because the number "looks" good to you. Im with the minority Im sure, these games arnt fixed, Ive been to that website years ago, its not much there I didnt already know, if everything is so fixed why are you needing to go back 20 and 30 years for examples, besides show me one instance where "Vegas" was in on a fix.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 7:47 PM ET #311

    Quote Originally Posted by wizard1183:

    22 ppl don't need to fix a game. It takes one guy player who's a receiver a QB, RB or official



    Maybe you don't need all 22, but you make it sound like one player can throw it, catch it, break tackles, and run punts/kicks back all by himself to insure a fix.  What if the other team came out to play?  One player can only do so much, as the game is dictating what he can do.  It's not insane that a RB gets benched if he fumbles more than once, then what can he do to fix it?  A QB can't stop other teams from scoring, so he can only fix half of it at best.  It's still just an EDGE and nothing is guaranteed, unless everyone is in on it, which they're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard1183:

    22 ppl don't need to fix a game. It takes one guy player who's a receiver a QB, RB or official



    Maybe you don't need all 22, but you make it sound like one player can throw it, catch it, break tackles, and run punts/kicks back all by himself to insure a fix.  What if the other team came out to play?  One player can only do so much, as the game is dictating what he can do.  It's not insane that a RB gets benched if he fumbles more than once, then what can he do to fix it?  A QB can't stop other teams from scoring, so he can only fix half of it at best.  It's still just an EDGE and nothing is guaranteed, unless everyone is in on it, which they're not.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 8:23 PM ET #312

    Lol u really think thats how it works? That u call all 22 players together to make a play this way or that? Its much more simple than that. Its just say, hey Manning, drop the ball fumble. Easy. Then its done deal. 
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    Lol u really think thats how it works? That u call all 22 players together to make a play this way or that? Its much more simple than that. Its just say, hey Manning, drop the ball fumble. Easy. Then its done deal. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 8:47 PM ET #313

    Lol you guys think they play out the script like it was some kind of film, ofc. this is as unreal as a film is, even tho it seems more authentic, but despite that fact its much easier fixed. Just one play or one call and its gg and fixed. Sometimes u need 2-3 more calls or fake plays to fix it but thats about it. Not hard to set up. And then the rest of the game is played like it was absolutely for real to make believe that this is a legit product. 
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    Lol you guys think they play out the script like it was some kind of film, ofc. this is as unreal as a film is, even tho it seems more authentic, but despite that fact its much easier fixed. Just one play or one call and its gg and fixed. Sometimes u need 2-3 more calls or fake plays to fix it but thats about it. Not hard to set up. And then the rest of the game is played like it was absolutely for real to make believe that this is a legit product. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2013 - 8:51 PM ET #314

    Quote Originally Posted by kaboons:

    Lol u call me a moron but I missed the oak game by 1 pt and went 100 percent during the day, hope u fade me next week I'm hitting 70 percent.

    And tool head batman, these players are bought in college so they can return the favor next ten years+ in the pros but obviously you have trouble putting 2 and 2 together 

    2+2 = 4

    College players are bought mostly to get them to attend the school, or keep them there and keep them happy.  If there are some documented cases (div-1/FBS) of college football athletes bought to throw games or fix outcomes, please show me those incidents.  I'm not saying it doesn't, or has never happened, but if you are so sure it has, please share.

    NFL is different, as those players are paid a lot of money.  Especially the ones that could alter the outcome of the game. 

    As for you being a moron, if you truly believe the results of all these games are under the control of the NFL and Las Vegas, then I stand by what I said.  I never stated you were a bad capper, or that I was a good one, nor did I state any intention to fade you, or anyone for that matter, ever, in any thread.

    Good luck on your goal of 70%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaboons:

    Lol u call me a moron but I missed the oak game by 1 pt and went 100 percent during the day, hope u fade me next week I'm hitting 70 percent.

    And tool head batman, these players are bought in college so they can return the favor next ten years+ in the pros but obviously you have trouble putting 2 and 2 together 

    2+2 = 4

    College players are bought mostly to get them to attend the school, or keep them there and keep them happy.  If there are some documented cases (div-1/FBS) of college football athletes bought to throw games or fix outcomes, please show me those incidents.  I'm not saying it doesn't, or has never happened, but if you are so sure it has, please share.

    NFL is different, as those players are paid a lot of money.  Especially the ones that could alter the outcome of the game. 

    As for you being a moron, if you truly believe the results of all these games are under the control of the NFL and Las Vegas, then I stand by what I said.  I never stated you were a bad capper, or that I was a good one, nor did I state any intention to fade you, or anyone for that matter, ever, in any thread.

    Good luck on your goal of 70%.

     
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    Lol at least batman is funny. Good thread. I personally believe it's controlled, but to each their own. In the end what will happen happens 
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW:

    Lol you guys think they play out the script like it was some kind of film, ofc. this is as unreal as a film is, even tho it seems more authentic, but despite that fact its much easier fixed. Just one play or one call and its gg and fixed. Sometimes u need 2-3 more calls or fake plays to fix it but thats about it. Not hard to set up. And then the rest of the game is played like it was absolutely for real to make believe that this is a legit product. 

    But who decides when to fix it??  Who decides which games??  Who calls what players?  You keep mocking people for suggesting theories, but you have given none that are plausible. 

    Obviously one call or one play CAN (and HAS) determined the outcome of the game.  BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS FIXED!! 

    You said Vegas was fixing games to avoid taking a hit on a public heavy game.  I just want to know at what point that decision is made, and what tangible evidence you have that it has happened.

    Who fixed the Raiders game?  I'm done arguing the line movement.  Fine, let's just say you are right and 16 was a GREAT number for the books.  Who decided that it fell on 16?  What players, refs, calls, etc, made that happen?

     

      "Manning, drop the ball".....LOL......it's comments like this that give you ZERO credibility.  ZERO!!!  Football is NOT that simple.  Sure, there could be a spot in a game where Manning could F up a play and make something happen, but so many other things have to be in place BEFORE that happens that even have a shot at being in that situation. 

    So.......I still await your evidence.................

     

    .............sounds like a lot of you "fixed" guys are just upset about losses you took at some point, or just sore losers and/or crybabies.  I mean, if you were winning on these fixes, why be upset about it.

     

    I mean let's look at it this way.  If Vegas and the NFL and the players and the refs are really controlling the outcome of games beforehand, and you have PROOF of it, IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST STORIES/SCANDALS IN SPORTS HISTORY!!  But you are hear on covers, not providing anything except wild "theories" and trying to act like you know what's going on, when in reality you don't know jack $hit.

     

     

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    Lol you guys think they play out the script like it was some kind of film, ofc. this is as unreal as a film is, even tho it seems more authentic, but despite that fact its much easier fixed. Just one play or one call and its gg and fixed. Sometimes u need 2-3 more calls or fake plays to fix it but thats about it. Not hard to set up. And then the rest of the game is played like it was absolutely for real to make believe that this is a legit product. 

    But who decides when to fix it??  Who decides which games??  Who calls what players?  You keep mocking people for suggesting theories, but you have given none that are plausible. 

    Obviously one call or one play CAN (and HAS) determined the outcome of the game.  BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS FIXED!! 

    You said Vegas was fixing games to avoid taking a hit on a public heavy game.  I just want to know at what point that decision is made, and what tangible evidence you have that it has happened.

    Who fixed the Raiders game?  I'm done arguing the line movement.  Fine, let's just say you are right and 16 was a GREAT number for the books.  Who decided that it fell on 16?  What players, refs, calls, etc, made that happen?

     

      "Manning, drop the ball".....LOL......it's comments like this that give you ZERO credibility.  ZERO!!!  Football is NOT that simple.  Sure, there could be a spot in a game where Manning could F up a play and make something happen, but so many other things have to be in place BEFORE that happens that even have a shot at being in that situation. 

    So.......I still await your evidence.................

     

    .............sounds like a lot of you "fixed" guys are just upset about losses you took at some point, or just sore losers and/or crybabies.  I mean, if you were winning on these fixes, why be upset about it.

     

    I mean let's look at it this way.  If Vegas and the NFL and the players and the refs are really controlling the outcome of games beforehand, and you have PROOF of it, IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST STORIES/SCANDALS IN SPORTS HISTORY!!  But you are hear on covers, not providing anything except wild "theories" and trying to act like you know what's going on, when in reality you don't know jack $hit.

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW:

    Bk, youre such a clown lol. Do you really think someone that likes Oakland will sit and wait for the line to jump? You cant expect a line to jump. You know, its not like i like the Giants +3 line by sunday, and then i say "Ok i will just wait till the line hits +7" lol. Thats not how it works. People take the -14.5 coz they think its the right side. The line increases to 17 and this makes people think Denver is the right side of the coin so they will just jump on it too. At worst, it will be 50/50 and they will just take the juice. 

    Of course you don't KNOW a line will move.  But if you are on the fence on a game, and then the line DOES move, you can hit it.  If the line stays, or moves the other way, you pass. 

    If the line increase to 17 makes you think Denver is the play, and you take it, that's a square play.  Sharps get good lines, and pass on bad ones.  The value at taking Denver at -17 was gone, the ship had sailed.  People making bets at Denverm-16/-17 would not have been heavy hitters playing big $$$.  So based on that, I would say more money was probably coming in on Oakland at that point, because anyone looking to get a big bet on them that hadn't bet already would have hit them at the higher line. 

    Again, that is why lines move, to balance the money. 

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    Bk, youre such a clown lol. Do you really think someone that likes Oakland will sit and wait for the line to jump? You cant expect a line to jump. You know, its not like i like the Giants +3 line by sunday, and then i say "Ok i will just wait till the line hits +7" lol. Thats not how it works. People take the -14.5 coz they think its the right side. The line increases to 17 and this makes people think Denver is the right side of the coin so they will just jump on it too. At worst, it will be 50/50 and they will just take the juice. 

    Of course you don't KNOW a line will move.  But if you are on the fence on a game, and then the line DOES move, you can hit it.  If the line stays, or moves the other way, you pass. 

    If the line increase to 17 makes you think Denver is the play, and you take it, that's a square play.  Sharps get good lines, and pass on bad ones.  The value at taking Denver at -17 was gone, the ship had sailed.  People making bets at Denverm-16/-17 would not have been heavy hitters playing big $$$.  So based on that, I would say more money was probably coming in on Oakland at that point, because anyone looking to get a big bet on them that hadn't bet already would have hit them at the higher line. 

    Again, that is why lines move, to balance the money. 

     
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    Bottom line if Vegas had a hand in determining games we'd all be broke, they could make various lines each week where a good team isnt laying much against a bad team and if fixed most would lose alot more often. No need to do that when youre gonna be guaranteed money anyway.
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    Bottom line if Vegas had a hand in determining games we'd all be broke, they could make various lines each week where a good team isnt laying much against a bad team and if fixed most would lose alot more often. No need to do that when youre gonna be guaranteed money anyway.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW:

    Lol u really think thats how it works? That u call all 22 players together to make a play this way or that? Its much more simple than that. Its just say, hey Manning, drop the ball fumble. Easy. Then its done deal. 



    LOL you've never played sports before, have you.  Why would Manning help some Vegas bookie, when Sony, Nike, and his sponsors pay him way more than anyone else can to play football legitimately?  He would lose all of that if he ever was found fixing a game, you'd be an IDIOT to but all that at risk.  You don't read very well do you, you didn't address any of my points.
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    Lol u really think thats how it works? That u call all 22 players together to make a play this way or that? Its much more simple than that. Its just say, hey Manning, drop the ball fumble. Easy. Then its done deal. 



    LOL you've never played sports before, have you.  Why would Manning help some Vegas bookie, when Sony, Nike, and his sponsors pay him way more than anyone else can to play football legitimately?  He would lose all of that if he ever was found fixing a game, you'd be an IDIOT to but all that at risk.  You don't read very well do you, you didn't address any of my points.
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW] What you gotta have to keep an eye on this weekend is Chiefs - Giants. I think Vegas will allow Giants to win here. They may not do so, but they will be allowed to if they play good enough. Public were ALL OVER Giants thinking they couldnt go 0-3, ALL OVER, so Vegas wants to shut these betters up so they dont get screwed over in another scenario where Giants got 80% of the money. Not only did Giants lose this sunday, they got COMPLETELY demolished to remove all faith people might have had in the giants. So therefore people will not pound money on Giants like it happened this Sunday. Especially because they are facing the chiefs who are 3-0 so people backing Giants will still not be as comfortable.  [/Quote

    RIGHT ON!! Especially the NYG-CAR GAME.. IT SEPERATES THE NOOBS AND THE PROS 
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW] What you gotta have to keep an eye on this weekend is Chiefs - Giants. I think Vegas will allow Giants to win here. They may not do so, but they will be allowed to if they play good enough. Public were ALL OVER Giants thinking they couldnt go 0-3, ALL OVER, so Vegas wants to shut these betters up so they dont get screwed over in another scenario where Giants got 80% of the money. Not only did Giants lose this sunday, they got COMPLETELY demolished to remove all faith people might have had in the giants. So therefore people will not pound money on Giants like it happened this Sunday. Especially because they are facing the chiefs who are 3-0 so people backing Giants will still not be as comfortable.  [/Quote

    RIGHT ON!! Especially the NYG-CAR GAME.. IT SEPERATES THE NOOBS AND THE PROS 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard1183:

    Vegas and sportsbooks don't alter games much. It's players coaches and refs who do. A phantom call goes a looooong way

    They have the action... Its just a phone call away... 
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    Vegas and sportsbooks don't alter games much. It's players coaches and refs who do. A phantom call goes a looooong way

    They have the action... Its just a phone call away... 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by AfadeAday:

    Man you guys have some wack conspiracy theories.  All BK wanted was for you to come up with one semi-intelligent plausible theory, and all you guys could do was some references from other conspiracy theory (not factual) sites. 

    Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):

    The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking).  If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over.  Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run. 

    There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization. 

    Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton?  Brady?  Rodgers?  Because they don't care what the game plan is.  They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach.  They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball. 
    The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums.  Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling.  They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.

    In the end, it's only an EDGE.  Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't.  NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING.  If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win?  I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.

    Its also identifying what they are trying to do and taking that to find the winning side.. IT IS ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT AND MONEY.. YOU ARE RIGHT... BUT THERES MANY SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS..THE ALL WANT A PIECE OF THE PIE.. SELL YOU A SEAT, HOT DOGS BEER, JERSEYS.. THEN EXPOSE YOU TO ALL THE THINGS YOU WANT ON TV... THEN HIT YOU WITH THE BACK DOOR WITH THE FIX... YES THEY ALL MAKE BIG MONEY.. YOU FORGOT TO MENTION ALL OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED.. GIVING AND RECEIVING.. EVEN THE ONES THAT HYPE GAMES UP WITH A BIASED SENSE GETS PAID TOO.. THEY GET PAID TO READ FROM A SCRIPT.. HEY THATS A JOB LOL
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    Man you guys have some wack conspiracy theories.  All BK wanted was for you to come up with one semi-intelligent plausible theory, and all you guys could do was some references from other conspiracy theory (not factual) sites. 

    Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):

    The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking).  If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over.  Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run. 

    There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization. 

    Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton?  Brady?  Rodgers?  Because they don't care what the game plan is.  They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach.  They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball. 
    The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums.  Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling.  They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.

    In the end, it's only an EDGE.  Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't.  NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING.  If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win?  I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.

    Its also identifying what they are trying to do and taking that to find the winning side.. IT IS ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT AND MONEY.. YOU ARE RIGHT... BUT THERES MANY SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS..THE ALL WANT A PIECE OF THE PIE.. SELL YOU A SEAT, HOT DOGS BEER, JERSEYS.. THEN EXPOSE YOU TO ALL THE THINGS YOU WANT ON TV... THEN HIT YOU WITH THE BACK DOOR WITH THE FIX... YES THEY ALL MAKE BIG MONEY.. YOU FORGOT TO MENTION ALL OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED.. GIVING AND RECEIVING.. EVEN THE ONES THAT HYPE GAMES UP WITH A BIASED SENSE GETS PAID TOO.. THEY GET PAID TO READ FROM A SCRIPT.. HEY THATS A JOB LOL
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by AfadeAday:

    Man you guys have some wack conspiracy theories.  All BK wanted was for you to come up with one semi-intelligent plausible theory, and all you guys could do was some references from other conspiracy theory (not factual) sites. 

    Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):

    The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking).  If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over.  Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run. 

    There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization. 

    Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton?  Brady?  Rodgers?  Because they don't care what the game plan is.  They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach.  They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball. 
    The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums.  Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling.  They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.

    In the end, it's only an EDGE.  Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't.  NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING.  If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win?  I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.

    HE SAYS IT TAKES 22 PEOPLE TO FIX IT ON THE FIELD FOR IT TO HAPPEN.. LOL .. 
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    Man you guys have some wack conspiracy theories.  All BK wanted was for you to come up with one semi-intelligent plausible theory, and all you guys could do was some references from other conspiracy theory (not factual) sites. 

    Here's a plausible way for a bookie to fix a line (not the game):

    The bookie knows someone who knows someone who works for the team, therefore has access to this weeks game plan (whether by playbook, or by being at practice, or anywhere they can hear the team talking).  If the bookie gets wind that it's gonna be a run heavy game, they can adjust the line so it appears that a lot of money came in on the over.  Therefore tricking people into betting a higher total, knowing that the game plan is to run. 

    There's a theory a lot more plausible than "some guys in Vegas deciding what the outcome of the game" generalization. 

    Do you know why it so hard to bet against, Peyton?  Brady?  Rodgers?  Because they don't care what the game plan is.  They want to score as much as possible to make a game out of reach.  They simply will not give in to any type of fix, nor do they need the money to fix games, nor do they necessarily follow the coaches game plan to run the ball. 
    The NFL is not involved because they wouldn't risk BILLIONS of dollars from Nike, Sony, and all the big companies that sponsor the NFL and their stadiums.  Which they would if they were ever found of being involved in fixing one of their own games a la wrestling.  They'd rather let some bookie lose a bunch of money then risk their BILLIONS.

    In the end, it's only an EDGE.  Because 22 people need to agree to fix it on the field which they won't.  NOTHING IS GUARANTEED or else it wouldn't be called GAMBLING.  If Vegas fixes games, and we all know it, why don't we just bet with them and we always win?  I'm not saying all games are completely clean, but to say it's all scripted is just ridiculous.

    HE SAYS IT TAKES 22 PEOPLE TO FIX IT ON THE FIELD FOR IT TO HAPPEN.. LOL .. 
     
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    Reading back on threads ppl asked for games tha were fixed. I posted a few I guess they didn't read them this was an obvious one. Believe what u want 

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    Reading back on threads ppl asked for games tha were fixed. I posted a few I guess they didn't read them this was an obvious one. Believe what u want 

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    But pit still wins. Win win for nfl fans vegas etc 
     
     
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    LOL you've never played sports before, have you.  Why would Manning help some Vegas bookie, when Sony, Nike, and his sponsors pay him way more than anyone else can to play football legitimately?  He would lose all of that if he ever was found fixing a game, you'd be an IDIOT to but all that at risk.  You don't read very well do you, you didn't address any of my points.
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    HE IS AN IDIOT YOU ARE RIGHT.. BUT ITS NOT 22 IF YOU EVEN WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WHAT OCCURS.. WHAT A MORON HE IS...

    IT HAS NOT A WHOLE LOT TO DO WITH QBS.. AFTER ALL QBS FOLLOW ORDERS... JUST LIKE MOST PEOPLE FOLLOW ORDERS FROM THE OWNERS BOSSES AND MANAGERS... YOU WANNA GET PAID XYZ? YOU WANNA GET ENDORSEMENTS? WELL I NEED YOU TO DO THIS AND WOULD RATHER YOU DO THIS THAN THAT... THAT IS THE LANGUAGE.. THATS WHAT I SAID IN THE EALIER PART OF THIS POST.. ITS BECAUSE OF THIS.. HEY YOU WANT ME TO SIGN ANOTHER CONTRACT FOR YOU?  I CANNOT SAY THEY ARE TRUE ATHLETES ANYMORE... ON A GOOD DAY,, I WOULD SAY HEY THEY GOTTA DO THEIR JOBS AS AN ATHLETE OR TEAM MEMBER.. ON A BAD DAY? THEY ARE CALLED EMPLOYEES...
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    LOL you've never played sports before, have you.  Why would Manning help some Vegas bookie, when Sony, Nike, and his sponsors pay him way more than anyone else can to play football legitimately?  He would lose all of that if he ever was found fixing a game, you'd be an IDIOT to but all that at risk.  You don't read very well do you, you didn't address any of my points.
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    HE IS AN IDIOT YOU ARE RIGHT.. BUT ITS NOT 22 IF YOU EVEN WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WHAT OCCURS.. WHAT A MORON HE IS...

    IT HAS NOT A WHOLE LOT TO DO WITH QBS.. AFTER ALL QBS FOLLOW ORDERS... JUST LIKE MOST PEOPLE FOLLOW ORDERS FROM THE OWNERS BOSSES AND MANAGERS... YOU WANNA GET PAID XYZ? YOU WANNA GET ENDORSEMENTS? WELL I NEED YOU TO DO THIS AND WOULD RATHER YOU DO THIS THAN THAT... THAT IS THE LANGUAGE.. THATS WHAT I SAID IN THE EALIER PART OF THIS POST.. ITS BECAUSE OF THIS.. HEY YOU WANT ME TO SIGN ANOTHER CONTRACT FOR YOU?  I CANNOT SAY THEY ARE TRUE ATHLETES ANYMORE... ON A GOOD DAY,, I WOULD SAY HEY THEY GOTTA DO THEIR JOBS AS AN ATHLETE OR TEAM MEMBER.. ON A BAD DAY? THEY ARE CALLED EMPLOYEES...
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