Ok. do you even know what juice is? If you do, how relevant do you think 10% juice is if theres 80% on the public on one of the sides and that particular side hits?
If 80% is on the winners side all the time then vegas would go broke. Therefore they couldnt allow Giants to win here. Vegas would lose millions if that happened. They can allow the 50/50 games to be random and be fine with the juice but not the 80/20 games. I know they would still make plenty of profits even if Giants lost and even if GB lost, but i dont think u have any clue how greedy these business people are. Its all about money. Vegas wouldnt give 100$ to charity even if their life counted on it. They would rather die.
You have no concept of how sports books or casinos work. It IS all about money, and the sports books MAKE A $HIT TON OF IT WITHOUT FIXING GAMES.
With every response, you expose yourself as being a bigger moron.
Who is Batman?
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Quote Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW:
Ok. do you even know what juice is? If you do, how relevant do you think 10% juice is if theres 80% on the public on one of the sides and that particular side hits?
If 80% is on the winners side all the time then vegas would go broke. Therefore they couldnt allow Giants to win here. Vegas would lose millions if that happened. They can allow the 50/50 games to be random and be fine with the juice but not the 80/20 games. I know they would still make plenty of profits even if Giants lost and even if GB lost, but i dont think u have any clue how greedy these business people are. Its all about money. Vegas wouldnt give 100$ to charity even if their life counted on it. They would rather die.
You have no concept of how sports books or casinos work. It IS all about money, and the sports books MAKE A $HIT TON OF IT WITHOUT FIXING GAMES.
With every response, you expose yourself as being a bigger moron.
You are honestly saying that the reason sports books are successful is that they fix games that are heavy public %'s.
So, lines come out on Monday/Tuesday ish. Money starts coming in. By Thursday I'm assuming they know which side will be bet heaviest, right? Fill me in, you seem to know a lot about how these sports books are fixing the outcomes. So then they start calling these teams. Do they go to Goddell first? Start with the GM, or head coach? Or do they go directly to the players? I assume both teams need to be involved, right? Do they skype about it, have some sit down meeting with the key players?
How does it work in game? What if a player goes rogue and says screw it? The sports books radio in to the sidelines, and coach takes him out?
Again, I'm really curious as to how it works? Since you seem 100% confident that it happens, explain how it works? Even just a theory, please, ENLIGHTEN US TO GREAT AND AWESOME THEORY ON HOW SPORTSBOOKS ARE ALTERING THE OUTCOME OF NFL FOOTBALL GAMES.
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You are honestly saying that the reason sports books are successful is that they fix games that are heavy public %'s.
So, lines come out on Monday/Tuesday ish. Money starts coming in. By Thursday I'm assuming they know which side will be bet heaviest, right? Fill me in, you seem to know a lot about how these sports books are fixing the outcomes. So then they start calling these teams. Do they go to Goddell first? Start with the GM, or head coach? Or do they go directly to the players? I assume both teams need to be involved, right? Do they skype about it, have some sit down meeting with the key players?
How does it work in game? What if a player goes rogue and says screw it? The sports books radio in to the sidelines, and coach takes him out?
Again, I'm really curious as to how it works? Since you seem 100% confident that it happens, explain how it works? Even just a theory, please, ENLIGHTEN US TO GREAT AND AWESOME THEORY ON HOW SPORTSBOOKS ARE ALTERING THE OUTCOME OF NFL FOOTBALL GAMES.
cool story: back in 08-09 or 07-08 cant remember a "friend" mentioned how there were a lot of independent bookies taking business away from the casinos. So what vegas did was make the lines "easy" and they would send runners to bet the lines against independents to wipe them out. Smartest thing ive ever heard.
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i missed one game all weekend oak. oh well.
cool story: back in 08-09 or 07-08 cant remember a "friend" mentioned how there were a lot of independent bookies taking business away from the casinos. So what vegas did was make the lines "easy" and they would send runners to bet the lines against independents to wipe them out. Smartest thing ive ever heard.
in middle school i each player on my team got 20 bucks to win the game by 70. with 2 seconds left up 67we called time out. to give ourselves a chance for a for 3. coach paid us. now just muliply that by millions when u get to the college and pro levels. high school fball we got special treatment for tds and extra plays"
now just muliply that by millions when u get to the college and pro levels.
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in middle school i each player on my team got 20 bucks to win the game by 70. with 2 seconds left up 67we called time out. to give ourselves a chance for a for 3. coach paid us. now just muliply that by millions when u get to the college and pro levels. high school fball we got special treatment for tds and extra plays"
now just muliply that by millions when u get to the college and pro levels.
in middle school i each player on my team got 20 bucks to win the game by 70. with 2 seconds left up 67we called time out. to give ourselves a chance for a for 3. coach paid us. now just muliply that by millions when u get to the college and pro levels. high school fball we got special treatment for tds and extra plays"
now just muliply that by millions when u get to the college and pro levels.
Well, if it happened at your middle school, then I guess it happens in the NFL. Case closed.
Still waiting on the details on how it happens though, in the NFL that is.
Since obviously none of the sports books want to lose money when the public % is heavy on one side, do they have some sort of pool of $$$ that gets distributed to the teams/players? Is there some sort of secret Sports Book Emperor that controls all the books behind the scenes and is specifically the person in charge of telling the NFL which games to fix?
This is all very fascinating and I would appreciate kaboons and BostonCelticFTW to elaborate more on the details on how it works.
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Quote Originally Posted by kaboons:
in middle school i each player on my team got 20 bucks to win the game by 70. with 2 seconds left up 67we called time out. to give ourselves a chance for a for 3. coach paid us. now just muliply that by millions when u get to the college and pro levels. high school fball we got special treatment for tds and extra plays"
now just muliply that by millions when u get to the college and pro levels.
Well, if it happened at your middle school, then I guess it happens in the NFL. Case closed.
Still waiting on the details on how it happens though, in the NFL that is.
Since obviously none of the sports books want to lose money when the public % is heavy on one side, do they have some sort of pool of $$$ that gets distributed to the teams/players? Is there some sort of secret Sports Book Emperor that controls all the books behind the scenes and is specifically the person in charge of telling the NFL which games to fix?
This is all very fascinating and I would appreciate kaboons and BostonCelticFTW to elaborate more on the details on how it works.
I was on a top team in middle school. some of those players went to d1. im sure if we did it for 20 bucks (which was cool we bought pizza and video arcade after) dont u think a broke college kid wod take an incentive to buy a car. (check out baron davis at ucla) he was rolling big and ucla bball didnt do that well. now check the same year ucla baseball top 5 in nation. they didnt even own a car!!!! garbage happens and it happens often.
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I was on a top team in middle school. some of those players went to d1. im sure if we did it for 20 bucks (which was cool we bought pizza and video arcade after) dont u think a broke college kid wod take an incentive to buy a car. (check out baron davis at ucla) he was rolling big and ucla bball didnt do that well. now check the same year ucla baseball top 5 in nation. they didnt even own a car!!!! garbage happens and it happens often.
I was on a top team in middle school. some of those players went to d1. im sure if we did it for 20 bucks (which was cool we bought pizza and video arcade after) dont u think a broke college kid wod take an incentive to buy a car. (check out baron davis at ucla) he was rolling big and ucla bball didnt do that well. now check the same year ucla baseball top 5 in nation. they didnt even own a car!!!! garbage happens and it happens often.
Did you pass reading in middle school?
I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT COLLEGE AND NO ONE GIVES A FLYING F**********K ABOUT YOUR MIDDLE SCHOOL GLORY DAYS.
I'm talking about the NFL.
I'm also NOT talking about incentives to players to do well or provide certain results. I AM TALKING ABOUT HOW SPORTSBOOKS SUPPOSEDLY FIX NFL GAMES IN THEIR FAVOR SO THE PUBLIC LOSES.
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Quote Originally Posted by kaboons:
I was on a top team in middle school. some of those players went to d1. im sure if we did it for 20 bucks (which was cool we bought pizza and video arcade after) dont u think a broke college kid wod take an incentive to buy a car. (check out baron davis at ucla) he was rolling big and ucla bball didnt do that well. now check the same year ucla baseball top 5 in nation. they didnt even own a car!!!! garbage happens and it happens often.
Did you pass reading in middle school?
I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT COLLEGE AND NO ONE GIVES A FLYING F**********K ABOUT YOUR MIDDLE SCHOOL GLORY DAYS.
I'm talking about the NFL.
I'm also NOT talking about incentives to players to do well or provide certain results. I AM TALKING ABOUT HOW SPORTSBOOKS SUPPOSEDLY FIX NFL GAMES IN THEIR FAVOR SO THE PUBLIC LOSES.
The refs dictate how the games are played. The NFL sends certain crews to specific games to help sway the outcome to their(Vegas) favor. It may be ATS or a Totals play. This does not happen with every game nor is the outcome perfect either, but we all see SO many bad penalties or non-calls for that matter, this is strategic. They also influence 1st half and 2nd half betting too. There is a site for NFL referees and their weekly assignments. I have recorded the results many years and there are crews that have a very high percentage, say working games that go over the total or this crews games go for the Dog etc., etc. The same goes in all sports with referees, basketball(come on, the most obvious of them all), baseball(wide or narrow strike zones. I have followed 3 umpires for the past month, 70% under the total. Vegas and the NFL have control of whatever game or outcome they want.
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The refs dictate how the games are played. The NFL sends certain crews to specific games to help sway the outcome to their(Vegas) favor. It may be ATS or a Totals play. This does not happen with every game nor is the outcome perfect either, but we all see SO many bad penalties or non-calls for that matter, this is strategic. They also influence 1st half and 2nd half betting too. There is a site for NFL referees and their weekly assignments. I have recorded the results many years and there are crews that have a very high percentage, say working games that go over the total or this crews games go for the Dog etc., etc. The same goes in all sports with referees, basketball(come on, the most obvious of them all), baseball(wide or narrow strike zones. I have followed 3 umpires for the past month, 70% under the total. Vegas and the NFL have control of whatever game or outcome they want.
The refs dictate how the games are played. The NFL sends certain crews to specific games to help sway the outcome to their(Vegas) favor. It may be ATS or a Totals play. This does not happen with every game nor is the outcome perfect either, but we all see SO many bad penalties or non-calls for that matter, this is strategic. They also influence 1st half and 2nd half betting too. There is a site for NFL referees and their weekly assignments. I have recorded the results many years and there are crews that have a very high percentage, say working games that go over the total or this crews games go for the Dog etc., etc. The same goes in all sports with referees, basketball(come on, the most obvious of them all), baseball(wide or narrow strike zones. I have followed 3 umpires for the past month, 70% under the total. Vegas and the NFL have control of whatever game or outcome they want.
When do the ref assignments come out?
Please post specific information about your claims that certain crews have certain results, and please specifically tell us how that will affect this weeks' games.
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Quote Originally Posted by bradschmit:
The refs dictate how the games are played. The NFL sends certain crews to specific games to help sway the outcome to their(Vegas) favor. It may be ATS or a Totals play. This does not happen with every game nor is the outcome perfect either, but we all see SO many bad penalties or non-calls for that matter, this is strategic. They also influence 1st half and 2nd half betting too. There is a site for NFL referees and their weekly assignments. I have recorded the results many years and there are crews that have a very high percentage, say working games that go over the total or this crews games go for the Dog etc., etc. The same goes in all sports with referees, basketball(come on, the most obvious of them all), baseball(wide or narrow strike zones. I have followed 3 umpires for the past month, 70% under the total. Vegas and the NFL have control of whatever game or outcome they want.
When do the ref assignments come out?
Please post specific information about your claims that certain crews have certain results, and please specifically tell us how that will affect this weeks' games.
Vegas and the NFL have control of whatever game or outcome they want.
Explain to me how it works? I want to know how you know that? You seem 100% certain to believe, so explain how it works.
Saying they send certain refs to certain cities explains nothing. What are these refs instructed to do. Please provide specific examples of calls/non-calls that these crews made to sway the outcome, and how did that outcome affect the gambling public vs. the books?
I don't give a flying f*******K what umpires you follow in baseball or basketball. I am talking about the N-F-L.
Either provide tangible evidence and statistics, or you are full of it.
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Quote Originally Posted by bradschmit:
Vegas and the NFL have control of whatever game or outcome they want.
Explain to me how it works? I want to know how you know that? You seem 100% certain to believe, so explain how it works.
Saying they send certain refs to certain cities explains nothing. What are these refs instructed to do. Please provide specific examples of calls/non-calls that these crews made to sway the outcome, and how did that outcome affect the gambling public vs. the books?
I don't give a flying f*******K what umpires you follow in baseball or basketball. I am talking about the N-F-L.
Either provide tangible evidence and statistics, or you are full of it.
Please post specific information about your claims that certain crews have certain results, and please specifically tell us how that will affect this weeks' games.
Good luck getting an answer.
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Quote Originally Posted by bk1374:
When do the ref assignments come out?
Please post specific information about your claims that certain crews have certain results, and please specifically tell us how that will affect this weeks' games.
I keep track each crews record and see if there are tendencies for specific leans, plain and simple. If by simply watching these big games(primetime games: Green Bay v Seattle last year, Vegas cleaned house, Vegas & NFL kind of had a helping hand in that one. San Diego Tennessee over under this week, over 80% of the betting public is on the over, game result= under Clev. & Minnesota 70% of the betting public is on the under the game flies over. Arizona &New Orleans Over 85% on the over the game goes under, coincidence? Detroit & Washington over 90% on the over it comes under. It is not my excuse if I guess wrong, and I repeat, it is not every game but some games ARE controlled. This is a multi billion dollar sport they will try and get the upper hand at any cost. When they make these lines on Sunday nite-Monday, these people probably know the outcomes of over 75% of the games and the other 25% THEY will gamble on. When they make these betting lines they put out what the public interpretation is for some of the games. They will sometimes sway the games upwards of 7 to 10 points(teaser #'s) of what the line should be. I always take into consideration seven points into every spread and total I see because they have to take into consideration people playing parlays and teasers. The "They" in all of the above is some group of guys in Vegas that put out lines, they shop them to casinos and sports books. Sometimes they go with the Vegas guys numbers, sometimes the casino sets their number, sometimes it's in between. If some of these games are not controlled then it has been some of the best three card monte the Vegas and the NFL has been playing on people for so many years.
And don't get so worked up this is a gentleman's forum trying to share info so we can all make money, not some chick b@•th Ellen Degeneres chat room. Good luck to you on your future Square plays.
I keep track each crews record and see if there are tendencies for specific leans, plain and simple. If by simply watching these big games(primetime games: Green Bay v Seattle last year, Vegas cleaned house, Vegas & NFL kind of had a helping hand in that one. San Diego Tennessee over under this week, over 80% of the betting public is on the over, game result= under Clev. & Minnesota 70% of the betting public is on the under the game flies over. Arizona &New Orleans Over 85% on the over the game goes under, coincidence? Detroit & Washington over 90% on the over it comes under. It is not my excuse if I guess wrong, and I repeat, it is not every game but some games ARE controlled. This is a multi billion dollar sport they will try and get the upper hand at any cost. When they make these lines on Sunday nite-Monday, these people probably know the outcomes of over 75% of the games and the other 25% THEY will gamble on. When they make these betting lines they put out what the public interpretation is for some of the games. They will sometimes sway the games upwards of 7 to 10 points(teaser #'s) of what the line should be. I always take into consideration seven points into every spread and total I see because they have to take into consideration people playing parlays and teasers. The "They" in all of the above is some group of guys in Vegas that put out lines, they shop them to casinos and sports books. Sometimes they go with the Vegas guys numbers, sometimes the casino sets their number, sometimes it's in between. If some of these games are not controlled then it has been some of the best three card monte the Vegas and the NFL has been playing on people for so many years.
And don't get so worked up this is a gentleman's forum trying to share info so we can all make money, not some chick b@•th Ellen Degeneres chat room. Good luck to you on your future Square plays.
I keep track each crews record and see if there are tendencies for specific leans, plain and simple. If by simply watching these big games(primetime games: Green Bay v Seattle last year, Vegas cleaned house, Vegas & NFL kind of had a helping hand in that one. San Diego Tennessee over under this week, over 80% of the betting public is on the over, game result= under Clev. & Minnesota 70% of the betting public is on the under the game flies over. Arizona &New Orleans Over 85% on the over the game goes under, coincidence? Detroit & Washington over 90% on the over it comes under. It is not my excuse if I guess wrong, and I repeat, it is not every game but some games ARE controlled. This is a multi billion dollar sport they will try and get the upper hand at any cost. When they make these lines on Sunday nite-Monday, these people probably know the outcomes of over 75% of the games and the other 25% THEY will gamble on. When they make these betting lines they put out what the public interpretation is for some of the games. They will sometimes sway the games upwards of 7 to 10 points(teaser #'s) of what the line should be. I always take into consideration seven points into every spread and total I see because they have to take into consideration people playing parlays and teasers. The "They" in all of the above is some group of guys in Vegas that put out lines, they shop them to casinos and sports books. Sometimes they go with the Vegas guys numbers, sometimes the casino sets their number, sometimes it's in between. If some of these games are not controlled then it has been some of the best three card monte the Vegas and the NFL has been playing on people for so many years.
And don't get so worked up this is a gentleman's forum trying to share info so we can all make money, not some chick b@•th Ellen Degeneres chat room. Good luck to you on your future Square plays.
You are so lost, you don't even know it.
Stop giving me %'s. You don't know the $$$ on each side, and that is the only thing that determines if the books win or lose on a game. The public is the public for a reason, because they think they know who will win, and get it wrong more than they get it right.
Again, you say they "ARE controled" yet you still have given ZERO evidence, and are grasping at straws for even having a theory.
The "They" in all of the above is some group of guys in Vegas that put out lines, they shop them to casinos and sports books.
Must be the Illuminati, right?
Thanks for pointing out the three or four games you think the public was on and got wrong. Solid evidence and humongous sample size. Way to be on top of it.
Still waiting on ANY evidence, or theory on how exactly the games are controlled. So far we have discovered there is a group of guys in Vegas that start it all.
Who contacts the NFL? Who contacts the refs? Who contacts the players? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?
I keep track each crews record and see if there are tendencies for specific leans, plain and simple. If by simply watching these big games(primetime games: Green Bay v Seattle last year, Vegas cleaned house, Vegas & NFL kind of had a helping hand in that one. San Diego Tennessee over under this week, over 80% of the betting public is on the over, game result= under Clev. & Minnesota 70% of the betting public is on the under the game flies over. Arizona &New Orleans Over 85% on the over the game goes under, coincidence? Detroit & Washington over 90% on the over it comes under. It is not my excuse if I guess wrong, and I repeat, it is not every game but some games ARE controlled. This is a multi billion dollar sport they will try and get the upper hand at any cost. When they make these lines on Sunday nite-Monday, these people probably know the outcomes of over 75% of the games and the other 25% THEY will gamble on. When they make these betting lines they put out what the public interpretation is for some of the games. They will sometimes sway the games upwards of 7 to 10 points(teaser #'s) of what the line should be. I always take into consideration seven points into every spread and total I see because they have to take into consideration people playing parlays and teasers. The "They" in all of the above is some group of guys in Vegas that put out lines, they shop them to casinos and sports books. Sometimes they go with the Vegas guys numbers, sometimes the casino sets their number, sometimes it's in between. If some of these games are not controlled then it has been some of the best three card monte the Vegas and the NFL has been playing on people for so many years.
And don't get so worked up this is a gentleman's forum trying to share info so we can all make money, not some chick b@•th Ellen Degeneres chat room. Good luck to you on your future Square plays.
You are so lost, you don't even know it.
Stop giving me %'s. You don't know the $$$ on each side, and that is the only thing that determines if the books win or lose on a game. The public is the public for a reason, because they think they know who will win, and get it wrong more than they get it right.
Again, you say they "ARE controled" yet you still have given ZERO evidence, and are grasping at straws for even having a theory.
The "They" in all of the above is some group of guys in Vegas that put out lines, they shop them to casinos and sports books.
Must be the Illuminati, right?
Thanks for pointing out the three or four games you think the public was on and got wrong. Solid evidence and humongous sample size. Way to be on top of it.
Still waiting on ANY evidence, or theory on how exactly the games are controlled. So far we have discovered there is a group of guys in Vegas that start it all.
Who contacts the NFL? Who contacts the refs? Who contacts the players? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?
Hey Batman.....I'll make it quite simple for you, since you are quite obstinate and perplexed in your opinions....Been around this for over 40 years....Last night the spread was 16, give or take a half point or so...Of course the game ends "directly" on 16....JUST A COINCIDENCE?....No mathematical genius could come that close to making the line right on....I could give you hundreds of examples, yes hundreds....However, you are desperately searching for the "HOW!"....Well wonderman, I'll make it easy for you....Go to www.thefixisin and read around....There are plenty of HOW'S there.....I also suggest that you read the book by the new author there....Documentation by the FBI on who, why, where and your infamous word----HOW????.....It really is quite simple!!...A multi-billion dollar business HAS to be controlled....There is organized crime, refs, yep players and more people who influence the outcomes of games.....You are looking at the NFL through "rose colored glases!"...Last night, at will, the Broncos are annihilating the Raiders, up over 3 TD;S at half, mostly all on passing...The over-under for the second half was 23, over 2 TDS below the first half score....And the Broncos are favorites the second half....PRESTO!----Denver goes to the running game, fumbles a couple, drops a few passes, and the Raiders win "BOTH" sides for the second half!...If Denver wanted, they could have beat them 70--10....COINCIDENCE?.....Well, go look at the HOW'S doubting one..The site has it ALL....And the authors were denied interviews by all the big TV AND RADIO stations....Wonder why????..To be truthful, I think you're betting with MONOPOLY MONEY!.....Wake up!!....Take off your mask and accept it for what it really is....A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED CONTROLLED BUSINESS AKIN TO PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING!
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Hey Batman.....I'll make it quite simple for you, since you are quite obstinate and perplexed in your opinions....Been around this for over 40 years....Last night the spread was 16, give or take a half point or so...Of course the game ends "directly" on 16....JUST A COINCIDENCE?....No mathematical genius could come that close to making the line right on....I could give you hundreds of examples, yes hundreds....However, you are desperately searching for the "HOW!"....Well wonderman, I'll make it easy for you....Go to www.thefixisin and read around....There are plenty of HOW'S there.....I also suggest that you read the book by the new author there....Documentation by the FBI on who, why, where and your infamous word----HOW????.....It really is quite simple!!...A multi-billion dollar business HAS to be controlled....There is organized crime, refs, yep players and more people who influence the outcomes of games.....You are looking at the NFL through "rose colored glases!"...Last night, at will, the Broncos are annihilating the Raiders, up over 3 TD;S at half, mostly all on passing...The over-under for the second half was 23, over 2 TDS below the first half score....And the Broncos are favorites the second half....PRESTO!----Denver goes to the running game, fumbles a couple, drops a few passes, and the Raiders win "BOTH" sides for the second half!...If Denver wanted, they could have beat them 70--10....COINCIDENCE?.....Well, go look at the HOW'S doubting one..The site has it ALL....And the authors were denied interviews by all the big TV AND RADIO stations....Wonder why????..To be truthful, I think you're betting with MONOPOLY MONEY!.....Wake up!!....Take off your mask and accept it for what it really is....A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED CONTROLLED BUSINESS AKIN TO PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING!
listen up fellow sports wager enthusiasts...a few things to consider when you even begin to think about laying your hard earned cash on any sport. #1. DON'T #2. if you must or believe that your going to win for "whatever the reason" Prepare 4worst case scenario because that is exactly the scenario that will occur. #3 Vegas is in the business of collecting your money. and has been since bugsy seagal. and just like the u.s govt. they have the smartest people in the world creating a number for which that number will always be in their favor.....the juice is running. #4 If by chance you do win do yourself a favor....enjoy it while you can because Vegas knows you will be back and odds are you will not win next time...and thats a bet they win everytime. So chin up fellow sports wager enthusiast enjoy the action when you need it but dont assume you know because the system was made for you to eventually fail. GooD LucK see you in the cashier line.....or the compt buffet line after a loss.
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listen up fellow sports wager enthusiasts...a few things to consider when you even begin to think about laying your hard earned cash on any sport. #1. DON'T #2. if you must or believe that your going to win for "whatever the reason" Prepare 4worst case scenario because that is exactly the scenario that will occur. #3 Vegas is in the business of collecting your money. and has been since bugsy seagal. and just like the u.s govt. they have the smartest people in the world creating a number for which that number will always be in their favor.....the juice is running. #4 If by chance you do win do yourself a favor....enjoy it while you can because Vegas knows you will be back and odds are you will not win next time...and thats a bet they win everytime. So chin up fellow sports wager enthusiast enjoy the action when you need it but dont assume you know because the system was made for you to eventually fail. GooD LucK see you in the cashier line.....or the compt buffet line after a loss.
Hey Batman.....I'll make it quite simple for you, since you are quite obstinate and perplexed in your opinions....Been around this for over 40 years....Last night the spread was 16, give or take a half point or so...Of course the game ends "directly" on 16....JUST A COINCIDENCE?....No mathematical genius could come that close to making the line right on....I could give you hundreds of examples, yes hundreds....However, you are desperately searching for the "HOW!"....Well wonderman, I'll make it easy for you....Go to www.thefixisin and read around....There are plenty of HOW'S there.....I also suggest that you read the book by the new author there....Documentation by the FBI on who, why, where and your infamous word----HOW????.....It really is quite simple!!...A multi-billion dollar business HAS to be controlled....There is organized crime, refs, yep players and more people who influence the outcomes of games.....You are looking at the NFL through "rose colored glases!"...Last night, at will, the Broncos are annihilating the Raiders, up over 3 TD;S at half, mostly all on passing...The over-under for the second half was 23, over 2 TDS below the first half score....And the Broncos are favorites the second half....PRESTO!----Denver goes to the running game, fumbles a couple, drops a few passes, and the Raiders win "BOTH" sides for the second half!...If Denver wanted, they could have beat them 70--10....COINCIDENCE?.....Well, go look at the HOW'S doubting one..The site has it ALL....And the authors were denied interviews by all the big TV AND RADIO stations....Wonder why????..To be truthful, I think you're betting with MONOPOLY MONEY!.....Wake up!!....Take off your mask and accept it for what it really is....A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED CONTROLLED BUSINESS AKIN TO PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING!
But who benefited from the game ending on 16?? Who? That was the WORST number for it to end on for the books. So the public fixed this one?
If you have been around "this" for 40 years and think this way, you are a fool.
If you think Denver "could" have won 70-10, your football knowledge is lacking beyond belief.
I wonder why they were denied interviews,perhaps because they are full of crap and just want to sell books or get web traffic, DOESN'T MEAN WHAT THEY SAY IS CORRECT.
OMG, you have HUNDREDS of examples of lines falling close to the actual score, and maybe a goofy play or call near the end of the game too I bet, right? Can't believe it? HUNDREDS!!
Of course it happens all time you fool. That is NOT evidence that things are fixed. I could pick lines out of a hat and have games be that close all the time.
You are not good at math.
Take off your tinfoil hat, turn off the Alex Jones radio show, head down to the dollar store and buy a clue.
HOW IS IT AKIN TO PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING? PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING ADMITS TO BEING FIXED. You CANNOT WAGER ON IT. That comparison in and of itself completely negates anything else you might think on the matter, and proves you are a moron.
I'm glad you like my mask though.
@ No mathematical genius could come that close to making the line right on...
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Quote Originally Posted by inthetank:
Hey Batman.....I'll make it quite simple for you, since you are quite obstinate and perplexed in your opinions....Been around this for over 40 years....Last night the spread was 16, give or take a half point or so...Of course the game ends "directly" on 16....JUST A COINCIDENCE?....No mathematical genius could come that close to making the line right on....I could give you hundreds of examples, yes hundreds....However, you are desperately searching for the "HOW!"....Well wonderman, I'll make it easy for you....Go to www.thefixisin and read around....There are plenty of HOW'S there.....I also suggest that you read the book by the new author there....Documentation by the FBI on who, why, where and your infamous word----HOW????.....It really is quite simple!!...A multi-billion dollar business HAS to be controlled....There is organized crime, refs, yep players and more people who influence the outcomes of games.....You are looking at the NFL through "rose colored glases!"...Last night, at will, the Broncos are annihilating the Raiders, up over 3 TD;S at half, mostly all on passing...The over-under for the second half was 23, over 2 TDS below the first half score....And the Broncos are favorites the second half....PRESTO!----Denver goes to the running game, fumbles a couple, drops a few passes, and the Raiders win "BOTH" sides for the second half!...If Denver wanted, they could have beat them 70--10....COINCIDENCE?.....Well, go look at the HOW'S doubting one..The site has it ALL....And the authors were denied interviews by all the big TV AND RADIO stations....Wonder why????..To be truthful, I think you're betting with MONOPOLY MONEY!.....Wake up!!....Take off your mask and accept it for what it really is....A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED CONTROLLED BUSINESS AKIN TO PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING!
But who benefited from the game ending on 16?? Who? That was the WORST number for it to end on for the books. So the public fixed this one?
If you have been around "this" for 40 years and think this way, you are a fool.
If you think Denver "could" have won 70-10, your football knowledge is lacking beyond belief.
I wonder why they were denied interviews,perhaps because they are full of crap and just want to sell books or get web traffic, DOESN'T MEAN WHAT THEY SAY IS CORRECT.
OMG, you have HUNDREDS of examples of lines falling close to the actual score, and maybe a goofy play or call near the end of the game too I bet, right? Can't believe it? HUNDREDS!!
Of course it happens all time you fool. That is NOT evidence that things are fixed. I could pick lines out of a hat and have games be that close all the time.
You are not good at math.
Take off your tinfoil hat, turn off the Alex Jones radio show, head down to the dollar store and buy a clue.
HOW IS IT AKIN TO PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING? PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING ADMITS TO BEING FIXED. You CANNOT WAGER ON IT. That comparison in and of itself completely negates anything else you might think on the matter, and proves you are a moron.
I'm glad you like my mask though.
@ No mathematical genius could come that close to making the line right on...
Batman you fail to understand anything. And you are assuming that betters profited from the 16 exact hit. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE to back this bullshit up? What if 65% of the money were on Broncs -16 and then 65% of the money were on broncs -14 too? THEY PROFITED BOTH WAYS.
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Batman you fail to understand anything. And you are assuming that betters profited from the 16 exact hit. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE to back this bullshit up? What if 65% of the money were on Broncs -16 and then 65% of the money were on broncs -14 too? THEY PROFITED BOTH WAYS.
Do you know what makes lines move?? $$$$$$MONEY$$$$$$$$$$.
Line opens up at Denver -13.5/-14 range. MONEY comes in on Denver, so the books MOVE THE LINE UP to balance it out. It gets up as high as +16.5 or +17 for Oakland. So the early money comes in on Denver, moves the line. Now the Oakland backers jump in and take the +16 or +17.
So please tell me how Vegas, or any large book benefited from this game falling on 16. And while you are at it, please specifically tell me what players/coaches/gm's/refs were involved in getting it to finish that way?? What mob bosses and casino owners dictated this game to end on 16, and why??
After all, YOU are the won that said it was NOT a coincidence.
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Do you know what makes lines move?? $$$$$$MONEY$$$$$$$$$$.
Line opens up at Denver -13.5/-14 range. MONEY comes in on Denver, so the books MOVE THE LINE UP to balance it out. It gets up as high as +16.5 or +17 for Oakland. So the early money comes in on Denver, moves the line. Now the Oakland backers jump in and take the +16 or +17.
So please tell me how Vegas, or any large book benefited from this game falling on 16. And while you are at it, please specifically tell me what players/coaches/gm's/refs were involved in getting it to finish that way?? What mob bosses and casino owners dictated this game to end on 16, and why??
After all, YOU are the won that said it was NOT a coincidence.
Batman you fail to understand anything. And you are assuming that betters profited from the 16 exact hit. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE to back this bullshit up? What if 65% of the money were on Broncs -16 and then 65% of the money were on broncs -14 too? THEY PROFITED BOTH WAYS.
...and this one takes the cake.
Line is at -14 and 65% on Denver. Books lose 65%. Of course, you don't know the exact $$ figures, and neither do it. So pure speculation.
Line is at -16 and 65% of THAT is on Denver. Push.
Again, thanks for the in depth theory, but explain to me how that would make the game fixed in the books favor??
When a line lands in the middle of where it opened and closed, it's generally not going to benefit the book. Of course, not always, and no one really knows.
Again, still waiting on ANY evidence to show how this game, or any game was fixed, who benefited, how was the fix communicated, were entire teams involved, or just key players.
You seem to think you know a lot about it, so I am referring to you for details and/or theories.
You said earlier the books were greedy, and they wanted MORE money than they already make? Are the players involved not greedy too? Wouldn't they see the books making huge profits from these fixed and ask for more money??
I'll await your response..............
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Quote Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW:
Batman you fail to understand anything. And you are assuming that betters profited from the 16 exact hit. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE to back this bullshit up? What if 65% of the money were on Broncs -16 and then 65% of the money were on broncs -14 too? THEY PROFITED BOTH WAYS.
...and this one takes the cake.
Line is at -14 and 65% on Denver. Books lose 65%. Of course, you don't know the exact $$ figures, and neither do it. So pure speculation.
Line is at -16 and 65% of THAT is on Denver. Push.
Again, thanks for the in depth theory, but explain to me how that would make the game fixed in the books favor??
When a line lands in the middle of where it opened and closed, it's generally not going to benefit the book. Of course, not always, and no one really knows.
Again, still waiting on ANY evidence to show how this game, or any game was fixed, who benefited, how was the fix communicated, were entire teams involved, or just key players.
You seem to think you know a lot about it, so I am referring to you for details and/or theories.
You said earlier the books were greedy, and they wanted MORE money than they already make? Are the players involved not greedy too? Wouldn't they see the books making huge profits from these fixed and ask for more money??
Hey Batman......Go read the website and book, then tell me IT IS ALL COINCIDENCE , and while you're at it, go take a flying f _ _ k in a rolling donut!...And last night's game?.....It's called putting it RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, like they wanted, as some had a half point lower, some a half point higher...Also called "SQUASHING IT!""..You see when it's 15 or 15.5 the "in the know" have Denver....When it goes to 16...16.5, they take the under....Hit BOTH WAYS.....Now go back to your job....Circumsizing ELEPHANTS----NO PAY, BUT BIG TIPS!...No doubt you're anal retentive!!!!...And oh yes, you are no doubt living proof that Indians once f_ _ _ _ d BUFFALO!!!....You will doubt the site too because it's totally documented!....And it gives you the HOW'S!!!..Isn't that what your pathetic a_s wants?????????????/.VETE AL CARAJO!...Look that one up jerk!
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Hey Batman......Go read the website and book, then tell me IT IS ALL COINCIDENCE , and while you're at it, go take a flying f _ _ k in a rolling donut!...And last night's game?.....It's called putting it RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, like they wanted, as some had a half point lower, some a half point higher...Also called "SQUASHING IT!""..You see when it's 15 or 15.5 the "in the know" have Denver....When it goes to 16...16.5, they take the under....Hit BOTH WAYS.....Now go back to your job....Circumsizing ELEPHANTS----NO PAY, BUT BIG TIPS!...No doubt you're anal retentive!!!!...And oh yes, you are no doubt living proof that Indians once f_ _ _ _ d BUFFALO!!!....You will doubt the site too because it's totally documented!....And it gives you the HOW'S!!!..Isn't that what your pathetic a_s wants?????????????/.VETE AL CARAJO!...Look that one up jerk!
Hey Batman......Go read the website and book, then tell me IT IS ALL COINCIDENCE , and while you're at it, go take a flying f _ _ k in a rolling donut!...And last night's game?.....It's called putting it RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, like they wanted, as some had a half point lower, some a half point higher...Also called "SQUASHING IT!""..You see when it's 15 or 15.5 the "in the know" have Denver....When it goes to 16...16.5, they take the under....Hit BOTH WAYS.....Now go back to your job....Circumsizing ELEPHANTS----NO PAY, BUT BIG TIPS!...No doubt you're anal retentive!!!!...And oh yes, you are no doubt living proof that Indians once f_ _ _ _ d BUFFALO!!!....You will doubt the site too because it's totally documented!....And it gives you the HOW'S!!!..Isn't that what your pathetic a_s wants?????????????/.VETE AL CARAJO!...Look that one up jerk!
Seriously, I will paypal you $5 if you learn how to use paragraphs a little better.
Thanks for all the happy references, I can see you're real mature and level headed.
The middle favored the public, especially anyone that got in early at -13.5 or -14.0 and then arb'd it when it went to +17. Any smart bettor would have done that.
So you are saying this particular game was fixed to help those "in the know" get the middle. OK. Awesome theory. I can't keep track off all the great insight you guys are throwing around. I was under the impression games were fixed (by guys in Vegas) to get the NFL to control games the public % was heavy on.
Stay classy you old fart!!
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Quote Originally Posted by inthetank:
Hey Batman......Go read the website and book, then tell me IT IS ALL COINCIDENCE , and while you're at it, go take a flying f _ _ k in a rolling donut!...And last night's game?.....It's called putting it RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, like they wanted, as some had a half point lower, some a half point higher...Also called "SQUASHING IT!""..You see when it's 15 or 15.5 the "in the know" have Denver....When it goes to 16...16.5, they take the under....Hit BOTH WAYS.....Now go back to your job....Circumsizing ELEPHANTS----NO PAY, BUT BIG TIPS!...No doubt you're anal retentive!!!!...And oh yes, you are no doubt living proof that Indians once f_ _ _ _ d BUFFALO!!!....You will doubt the site too because it's totally documented!....And it gives you the HOW'S!!!..Isn't that what your pathetic a_s wants?????????????/.VETE AL CARAJO!...Look that one up jerk!
Seriously, I will paypal you $5 if you learn how to use paragraphs a little better.
Thanks for all the happy references, I can see you're real mature and level headed.
The middle favored the public, especially anyone that got in early at -13.5 or -14.0 and then arb'd it when it went to +17. Any smart bettor would have done that.
So you are saying this particular game was fixed to help those "in the know" get the middle. OK. Awesome theory. I can't keep track off all the great insight you guys are throwing around. I was under the impression games were fixed (by guys in Vegas) to get the NFL to control games the public % was heavy on.
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