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    I want all the "tin foil hat" people who precribe to "scripts"

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    WHATTAPLAY
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    Posted: Jan. 17, 2018 - 1:05 AM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:


    Is it beyond reason that Goodell....after looking at the declining numbers / threats by sponsors to pull out.....makes a call to the refs before a game with 'SUGGESTIONS' ...........course not


    PROBLEM?....the SCIENCE....of pulling this sort of thing off
      * eggzactly how in TF can you do it.....AND keep it quiet?

    In a day where virtually NOTHING can be kept quiet.....how is it NOBODY has come forward?.....can you imagine how much THIS sort of story would be worth.....to a stinking part-time NFL ref?
      * NOTE:  it's worth MANY times more than the actual job.....and ALL refs would have be in on it of course


    TO... 'FIX'....an NFL play-off game (or big time college game).....involving coaches and players.....it would take what 50 -100 million dollars? .....
     
        *college games at least that......players risking NFL money....head coaches making 5 mil + / year....plus ALL their assistants?...............
       $ plus.... tell me.......WHO is gonna take THAT kinda action....?.

    "Umm.......tell you what.....gimme 75 million on Bama -3'...okey dokey?''......


    NFL?.....I reckon the thinking is before games...and / or... before the season begins.....the owners sit down with all the players and coaches......and explain how the season will play out?.....like fukin' WRASSLING?...............

    SO.....Pats / Jags..... is essentially Bruiser Brody vs Horseface Von Erich?....................SURE

    How is it possible that ANY human can be this.......DUMB?
      * head injury?......inbreeding ?

    A player that reaches the NFL level.....is competitive as HELLL.....and so you're gonna tell him to NOT try and win?....."sorry pal.....POOF!.....it's ALL staged now"
      * AND.....with all the former NFL players that are pissed off.....not ONE has come forward with this alleged game fixing?.........


    Problem with fixing....paying EVERYBODY off....is you gotta keep EVERYBODY happy and SILENT.....because you INSTANTLY give them.....LEVERAGE.....over your life / livelihood
      * a stinking kicker for E Michigan....RB for Toledo ha ?.......with no NFL chances.......occasionally sure.....
       * a sorry azz QB for Cleveland at some point that owes a ton of cash to the books?......sure


    BOTTOM LINE?.......IF this kinda crap happens it is out of your CONTROL anyway.......so why are you worrying about it?

    WHY are you EXPOSING these players / teams.....instead of quietly BETTING ON THEM ?!!........you're getting dumber by the minute oops

    BTW.....I know a ton of former college / NFL players and coaches......AND professional gamblers (including 3 family members that did BOTH / not me ha).......all back this up


    Life / especially wagering just ain't fair.....LUCK > the  breaks go to those that put the work in......but sure it's much easier to sit back on your fat azz.....and claim that everything is fixed / pre-arranged......thanks for dumbing down this forum... and the country even further......nice work.............  




    I love these "I know so and so. I played semi-pro ball, etc, etc".

    Doesn't lend ANY credence to all of the ignorance you just spouted. Obviously, if you KNEW any ex-players, you'd know they sign non-disclosure agreements as part of their contracts. As do refs. Guess your many "ex-player buddies" never got around to telling you that.

    I'll tell you what's dumb. Dumb is waiting for all of the answers to be broadcast on the national news. Now that is friggin dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:


    Is it beyond reason that Goodell....after looking at the declining numbers / threats by sponsors to pull out.....makes a call to the refs before a game with 'SUGGESTIONS' ...........course not


    PROBLEM?....the SCIENCE....of pulling this sort of thing off
      * eggzactly how in TF can you do it.....AND keep it quiet?

    In a day where virtually NOTHING can be kept quiet.....how is it NOBODY has come forward?.....can you imagine how much THIS sort of story would be worth.....to a stinking part-time NFL ref?
      * NOTE:  it's worth MANY times more than the actual job.....and ALL refs would have be in on it of course


    TO... 'FIX'....an NFL play-off game (or big time college game).....involving coaches and players.....it would take what 50 -100 million dollars? .....
     
        *college games at least that......players risking NFL money....head coaches making 5 mil + / year....plus ALL their assistants?...............
       $ plus.... tell me.......WHO is gonna take THAT kinda action....?.

    "Umm.......tell you what.....gimme 75 million on Bama -3'...okey dokey?''......


    NFL?.....I reckon the thinking is before games...and / or... before the season begins.....the owners sit down with all the players and coaches......and explain how the season will play out?.....like fukin' WRASSLING?...............

    SO.....Pats / Jags..... is essentially Bruiser Brody vs Horseface Von Erich?....................SURE

    How is it possible that ANY human can be this.......DUMB?
      * head injury?......inbreeding ?

    A player that reaches the NFL level.....is competitive as HELLL.....and so you're gonna tell him to NOT try and win?....."sorry pal.....POOF!.....it's ALL staged now"
      * AND.....with all the former NFL players that are pissed off.....not ONE has come forward with this alleged game fixing?.........


    Problem with fixing....paying EVERYBODY off....is you gotta keep EVERYBODY happy and SILENT.....because you INSTANTLY give them.....LEVERAGE.....over your life / livelihood
      * a stinking kicker for E Michigan....RB for Toledo ha ?.......with no NFL chances.......occasionally sure.....
       * a sorry azz QB for Cleveland at some point that owes a ton of cash to the books?......sure


    BOTTOM LINE?.......IF this kinda crap happens it is out of your CONTROL anyway.......so why are you worrying about it?

    WHY are you EXPOSING these players / teams.....instead of quietly BETTING ON THEM ?!!........you're getting dumber by the minute oops

    BTW.....I know a ton of former college / NFL players and coaches......AND professional gamblers (including 3 family members that did BOTH / not me ha).......all back this up


    Life / especially wagering just ain't fair.....LUCK > the  breaks go to those that put the work in......but sure it's much easier to sit back on your fat azz.....and claim that everything is fixed / pre-arranged......thanks for dumbing down this forum... and the country even further......nice work.............  




    I love these "I know so and so. I played semi-pro ball, etc, etc".

    Doesn't lend ANY credence to all of the ignorance you just spouted. Obviously, if you KNEW any ex-players, you'd know they sign non-disclosure agreements as part of their contracts. As do refs. Guess your many "ex-player buddies" never got around to telling you that.

    I'll tell you what's dumb. Dumb is waiting for all of the answers to be broadcast on the national news. Now that is friggin dumb.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 17, 2018 - 1:09 AM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by sandique:


    What can't be debated is that the NFL can not be sued for match fixing. If someone was to find irrefutable evidence of this being the case, the league would be legally untouchable. In other words, they are LEGALLY FREE to match fix (per instructions from high-up to the refs who actually control the games).

    No amount of logic can penetrate the thick skulls of these idiots. The NFL evne argued THIS very fact which you stated, during a lawsuit related to Spygate. Thye all but admitted games are fixed to a degree. No one wants to listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandique:


    What can't be debated is that the NFL can not be sued for match fixing. If someone was to find irrefutable evidence of this being the case, the league would be legally untouchable. In other words, they are LEGALLY FREE to match fix (per instructions from high-up to the refs who actually control the games).

    No amount of logic can penetrate the thick skulls of these idiots. The NFL evne argued THIS very fact which you stated, during a lawsuit related to Spygate. Thye all but admitted games are fixed to a degree. No one wants to listen.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 17, 2018 - 1:11 AM ET #53

    September 25, 1999

    More game-fixing evidence

    Copyright © 1999 by Dan E. Moldea


         The most controversial allegation in my 1989 book, Interference:  How Organized Crime Influences Professional Football (William Morrow), is that over seventy NFL games have been fixed.  Despite the evidence, league officials have long claimed that no professional football game has ever been successfully fixed since the creation of the NFL in 1920.  Of course, any admission to the contrary would jeopardize the public's perception of "the integrity of the game."

         The following is the untold story of how I developed the information about eight of these allegedly fixed games:



         Several years ago, I received a copy of an FBI-302 report, which detailed the FBI's investigation of NFL referees and game officials.  The report stated that "two or three referees" had been paid $100,000 by a New York Mafia figure for their participation in each of eight allegedly fixed games--which I list on page 308 of Interference.  The referees' alleged job was to ensure that the unnamed mob figure covered the spread and, thus, won his bets.  The referees' names were not mentioned in the FBI report.

         As I state in my book, the FBI eventually dropped its probe, because the evidence of game-fixing was, supposedly, inconclusive.  In addition, the bureau's principal informant was caught trying to sell the same information to the IRS.

         During my own interview with the informant, who had passed a polygraph test, he identified the two referees.

         Even though I had the FBI report, the results of the informant's polygraph examination, and the names of the two game officials, I decided not to publish this material without further corroboration.  My FBI sources, who had provided a considerable amount of help to me during my research for Interference, refused to comment about this particular game-fixing investigation for my book.  I never fully understood why.

         Subsequently, I contacted nationally-known oddsmaker, Bobby Martin, who said that he had had similar game-fixing suspicions about at least one NFL game official, whom he named.  This referee was one of the two identified by the informant.  Martin told me that he had also shared this information with Las Vegas gambler Lem Banker, who confirmed to me both Martin's personal investigation of the referee, as well as his name.  Both Martin and Banker told me that they could prove that unnatural money had shown up on the referee's games--but they could not prove that any of the games had been actually fixed.

         I then contacted Leo Halper, who was involved in Project Layoff, which included the IRS's investigation of game-fixing in the NFL.  He told me that the FBI informant, who had also sold his information to the IRS, had given him the outcomes of the eight fixed games, along with the names of the two referees,in advance of the games being played.

         Halper added that the referees had made their own bets on the eight fixed games through beards in Las Vegas.  The initial IRS probe included surveillance on one of the beards, who reportedly bet so much money on these games that the betting line actually moved in response to the vast amount of money wagered.  According to Halper, this wagering activity occurred at the Barbary Coast's sports book on the Las Vegas Strip.

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    September 25, 1999

    More game-fixing evidence

    Copyright © 1999 by Dan E. Moldea


         The most controversial allegation in my 1989 book, Interference:  How Organized Crime Influences Professional Football (William Morrow), is that over seventy NFL games have been fixed.  Despite the evidence, league officials have long claimed that no professional football game has ever been successfully fixed since the creation of the NFL in 1920.  Of course, any admission to the contrary would jeopardize the public's perception of "the integrity of the game."

         The following is the untold story of how I developed the information about eight of these allegedly fixed games:



         Several years ago, I received a copy of an FBI-302 report, which detailed the FBI's investigation of NFL referees and game officials.  The report stated that "two or three referees" had been paid $100,000 by a New York Mafia figure for their participation in each of eight allegedly fixed games--which I list on page 308 of Interference.  The referees' alleged job was to ensure that the unnamed mob figure covered the spread and, thus, won his bets.  The referees' names were not mentioned in the FBI report.

         As I state in my book, the FBI eventually dropped its probe, because the evidence of game-fixing was, supposedly, inconclusive.  In addition, the bureau's principal informant was caught trying to sell the same information to the IRS.

         During my own interview with the informant, who had passed a polygraph test, he identified the two referees.

         Even though I had the FBI report, the results of the informant's polygraph examination, and the names of the two game officials, I decided not to publish this material without further corroboration.  My FBI sources, who had provided a considerable amount of help to me during my research for Interference, refused to comment about this particular game-fixing investigation for my book.  I never fully understood why.

         Subsequently, I contacted nationally-known oddsmaker, Bobby Martin, who said that he had had similar game-fixing suspicions about at least one NFL game official, whom he named.  This referee was one of the two identified by the informant.  Martin told me that he had also shared this information with Las Vegas gambler Lem Banker, who confirmed to me both Martin's personal investigation of the referee, as well as his name.  Both Martin and Banker told me that they could prove that unnatural money had shown up on the referee's games--but they could not prove that any of the games had been actually fixed.

         I then contacted Leo Halper, who was involved in Project Layoff, which included the IRS's investigation of game-fixing in the NFL.  He told me that the FBI informant, who had also sold his information to the IRS, had given him the outcomes of the eight fixed games, along with the names of the two referees,in advance of the games being played.

         Halper added that the referees had made their own bets on the eight fixed games through beards in Las Vegas.  The initial IRS probe included surveillance on one of the beards, who reportedly bet so much money on these games that the betting line actually moved in response to the vast amount of money wagered.  According to Halper, this wagering activity occurred at the Barbary Coast's sports book on the Las Vegas Strip.

     
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      Also, during my research, I received a correspondence from one of the beards involved with the two NFL referees.  He confirmed, in writing, the fixes and named the same two referees.

         But the IRS probe, according to the Halper, collapsed when agency chiefs--despite the reliability of the informant's information--refused to authorize a full-scale federal investigation, even though the IRS had concluded that the games had, indeed, been fixed.  (Rumors persist that agency officials--who had received the outcomes of NFL games in advance of the contests--were scoring their own betting coups.)

         On the basis of the overwhelming evidence--the FBI report, my interviews with Martin and Banker, statements made to me by the IRS agent in charge of the investigation, the letter from the beard allegedly involved with the officials, and the statements made by the FBI/IRS informant, who had passed a polygraph examination--I published the material about the eight fixed games in Interference, hoping that a subsequent official investigation would answer the lingering questions about this matter.

         However, upon the advice of my personal attorney, I decided not to publish the names of the two referees.

         On August 23, 1989, after the publication of Interference, I was contacted by an intermediary, who told me that NFL league officials wanted to know, among other things, the names of the two referees.  On August 25, I met with Warren Welsh, the director of NFL Security, in Las Vegas.  I provided him with:  a) the FBI report, b) the names of the two NFL referees, and c) the names of all but one of my confidential sources during this particular investigation.  The exception was the beard, who asked that his name not be disclosed.  The other sources had given me permission to reveal their names and information to Welsh.

         On ABC's Nightline on September 11, which was hosted by Jeff Greenfield and focused on gambling in the NFL, I appeared on the program along with Warren Welsh and Las Vegas oddsmaker Michael Roxborough.  The question of these eight allegedly fixed games was raised during the program.

         According to the official Nightline transcript, the exchange between Welsh and me was precipitated after I claimed that there was evidence that no fewer than 70 NFL games had been fixed.  The transcript states:

              Greenfield:  . . . I can't forbear from picking up on the point you [Moldea] said earlier.  Are you talking about games that have been fixed within recent history, recent NFL history, last 10 years or so?

              Moldea:  I'm saying that the last games I have where there's allegations of fixed games were 10 years ago.  There were eight games that were allegedly fixed by two referees who were paid $100,000 each for each game by a New York Mafia guy, and their job was to basically make sure that that Mafia guy covered the spread.

              Greenfield:  Mr. Welsh, quickly, what do you have to say about those allegations?  Have you looked at Mr. Moldea's book?  Can you respond to them?

              Welsh:  I have, and I would like to say that in contact with law enforcement sources, that the informant that Mr. Moldea refers to is term a pathological liar by the FBI.

              Moldea:  Well, the IRS has a different feeling about him, Warren, and basically they viewed him as being credible, and 
    that--the IRS believed that the investigation itself concluded that the games were indeed fixed.  They had the information in advance of the games on those eight fixed games.

         In 1992, Halper of the IRS sat down for a sworn deposition during a separate investigation of game-fixing in the NFL, which had developed in the midst of a civil litigation.  Halper was specifically questioned about the accuracy of what I had written in my book:

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      Also, during my research, I received a correspondence from one of the beards involved with the two NFL referees.  He confirmed, in writing, the fixes and named the same two referees.

         But the IRS probe, according to the Halper, collapsed when agency chiefs--despite the reliability of the informant's information--refused to authorize a full-scale federal investigation, even though the IRS had concluded that the games had, indeed, been fixed.  (Rumors persist that agency officials--who had received the outcomes of NFL games in advance of the contests--were scoring their own betting coups.)

         On the basis of the overwhelming evidence--the FBI report, my interviews with Martin and Banker, statements made to me by the IRS agent in charge of the investigation, the letter from the beard allegedly involved with the officials, and the statements made by the FBI/IRS informant, who had passed a polygraph examination--I published the material about the eight fixed games in Interference, hoping that a subsequent official investigation would answer the lingering questions about this matter.

         However, upon the advice of my personal attorney, I decided not to publish the names of the two referees.

         On August 23, 1989, after the publication of Interference, I was contacted by an intermediary, who told me that NFL league officials wanted to know, among other things, the names of the two referees.  On August 25, I met with Warren Welsh, the director of NFL Security, in Las Vegas.  I provided him with:  a) the FBI report, b) the names of the two NFL referees, and c) the names of all but one of my confidential sources during this particular investigation.  The exception was the beard, who asked that his name not be disclosed.  The other sources had given me permission to reveal their names and information to Welsh.

         On ABC's Nightline on September 11, which was hosted by Jeff Greenfield and focused on gambling in the NFL, I appeared on the program along with Warren Welsh and Las Vegas oddsmaker Michael Roxborough.  The question of these eight allegedly fixed games was raised during the program.

         According to the official Nightline transcript, the exchange between Welsh and me was precipitated after I claimed that there was evidence that no fewer than 70 NFL games had been fixed.  The transcript states:

              Greenfield:  . . . I can't forbear from picking up on the point you [Moldea] said earlier.  Are you talking about games that have been fixed within recent history, recent NFL history, last 10 years or so?

              Moldea:  I'm saying that the last games I have where there's allegations of fixed games were 10 years ago.  There were eight games that were allegedly fixed by two referees who were paid $100,000 each for each game by a New York Mafia guy, and their job was to basically make sure that that Mafia guy covered the spread.

              Greenfield:  Mr. Welsh, quickly, what do you have to say about those allegations?  Have you looked at Mr. Moldea's book?  Can you respond to them?

              Welsh:  I have, and I would like to say that in contact with law enforcement sources, that the informant that Mr. Moldea refers to is term a pathological liar by the FBI.

              Moldea:  Well, the IRS has a different feeling about him, Warren, and basically they viewed him as being credible, and 
    that--the IRS believed that the investigation itself concluded that the games were indeed fixed.  They had the information in advance of the games on those eight fixed games.

         In 1992, Halper of the IRS sat down for a sworn deposition during a separate investigation of game-fixing in the NFL, which had developed in the midst of a civil litigation.  Halper was specifically questioned about the accuracy of what I had written in my book:

     
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    https://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?220031-Is-the-NFL-an-Entertainment-Business-like-the-WWE

    An excerpt:

    I utilized my rights under the Freedom of Information Act passed by President Lyndon Johnson in 1966 to access over 40 years of FBI files on the NFL although some information was redacted. Here's what I found:


    1. Contrary to popular belief and to what he NFL wants you to think, there have been fixed games in league history. On page 308 of Dan Moldea's book "Interference" he lists over 70 NFL games that have been fixed and includes the names of the 2 referees involved in fixing those games. He also lists interviews with NFL HOF players most notably KC Chiefs QB Len Dawson. He, in detail with documented facts supported by FBI documents, has interviews with NFL players and known gambling associates to uncover massive game fixing in the league. He also notes, with evidence, throughout the book that no fewer than 26 NFL team owners have or have had continuous and developing relationships with the gambling world, most notably the Rooney, Bidwill, and Mara families all getting their starts as Bookmakers for established mid-west crime families and buying their NFL franchises with moneys earned from gambling. So that in and of itself is a hypocrisy number 1 on the NFL's "lilly white" reputation. 

    NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. They are not employees of any team nor do they get paid anywhere close to the sums of NBA refs. NFL refs make between $25K to $70K per season. They work for the league and do what the league tells them to do. They are not there for "the integrity of the game". Referees, unlike other sports, are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media. 

    2. The NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe. Contrary to the perception of the NFL being 32 separate franchises battling it out for gridiron supremacy. In a franchised environment, such as McDonalds (Business 101), each franchise is individually owned and operated and can participate in national promotions, have its own local promotions, or abstain from participating (hence the fine print in commercials saying "at participating locations".
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    https://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?220031-Is-the-NFL-an-Entertainment-Business-like-the-WWE

    An excerpt:

    I utilized my rights under the Freedom of Information Act passed by President Lyndon Johnson in 1966 to access over 40 years of FBI files on the NFL although some information was redacted. Here's what I found:


    1. Contrary to popular belief and to what he NFL wants you to think, there have been fixed games in league history. On page 308 of Dan Moldea's book "Interference" he lists over 70 NFL games that have been fixed and includes the names of the 2 referees involved in fixing those games. He also lists interviews with NFL HOF players most notably KC Chiefs QB Len Dawson. He, in detail with documented facts supported by FBI documents, has interviews with NFL players and known gambling associates to uncover massive game fixing in the league. He also notes, with evidence, throughout the book that no fewer than 26 NFL team owners have or have had continuous and developing relationships with the gambling world, most notably the Rooney, Bidwill, and Mara families all getting their starts as Bookmakers for established mid-west crime families and buying their NFL franchises with moneys earned from gambling. So that in and of itself is a hypocrisy number 1 on the NFL's "lilly white" reputation. 

    NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. They are not employees of any team nor do they get paid anywhere close to the sums of NBA refs. NFL refs make between $25K to $70K per season. They work for the league and do what the league tells them to do. They are not there for "the integrity of the game". Referees, unlike other sports, are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media. 

    2. The NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe. Contrary to the perception of the NFL being 32 separate franchises battling it out for gridiron supremacy. In a franchised environment, such as McDonalds (Business 101), each franchise is individually owned and operated and can participate in national promotions, have its own local promotions, or abstain from participating (hence the fine print in commercials saying "at participating locations".
     
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    This keeps the regionality of competition in tact without having to compete on a national level. MLB has this status, the NFL does not. Instead, since the NFL has this Anti-Trust exemption, it is able to package its teams in order to sell to national television companies, which today totals $6 Billion in revenue for the league. That is 75% of the leagues total annual revenue. In a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL attorney Gregg H. Levy argued that "the NFL is not a collection of 32 individual teams, but rather a single entity. And as long as the NFL teams are a unit, and they compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, then they should be deemed a single unit and not subject to any Anti-Trust laws."

    There is only another "sports" organization that I can think of that follows this, the WWE. Levy also argued that the league markets its products and merchandise as a whole to promote the NFL as a whole. These arguments led all the way to lockout during the 2011 offseason. The league would still earn $5 Billion in revenue, even without a single game being played.

    Professional sports is the only industry without ANY federal oversight. Therefore the league can do and go as they see fit, this is something the players were concerned about going into the lockout, the NFL players themselves sought help from US Congress asking for oversight of the NFL. And NFL players wanted an explanation as to why the NFL owners were granted an Anti-Trust exemption in the first place. They didn't get it.

    The NFL proved in this lawsuit that they see themselves as a single unit in the "entertainment" industry and the unique league revenue sharing strategy is not common amongst professional sports leagues.
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    This keeps the regionality of competition in tact without having to compete on a national level. MLB has this status, the NFL does not. Instead, since the NFL has this Anti-Trust exemption, it is able to package its teams in order to sell to national television companies, which today totals $6 Billion in revenue for the league. That is 75% of the leagues total annual revenue. In a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL attorney Gregg H. Levy argued that "the NFL is not a collection of 32 individual teams, but rather a single entity. And as long as the NFL teams are a unit, and they compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, then they should be deemed a single unit and not subject to any Anti-Trust laws."

    There is only another "sports" organization that I can think of that follows this, the WWE. Levy also argued that the league markets its products and merchandise as a whole to promote the NFL as a whole. These arguments led all the way to lockout during the 2011 offseason. The league would still earn $5 Billion in revenue, even without a single game being played.

    Professional sports is the only industry without ANY federal oversight. Therefore the league can do and go as they see fit, this is something the players were concerned about going into the lockout, the NFL players themselves sought help from US Congress asking for oversight of the NFL. And NFL players wanted an explanation as to why the NFL owners were granted an Anti-Trust exemption in the first place. They didn't get it.

    The NFL proved in this lawsuit that they see themselves as a single unit in the "entertainment" industry and the unique league revenue sharing strategy is not common amongst professional sports leagues.
     
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    3. Players are paid to play, not win. There is this notion that NFL players play for "the gory of the game" and all this other propaganda that the NFL wants you to absorb. But nothing could be further from the truth. Although there is a percentage of players who play for the love of the game, most play for the money and fame. So keeping this in mind, players earn their salary by playing, not winning. It makes no difference to a player, paycheck wise, if he wins or loses as he will still be richer than the average person. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of morons that encompass the NFL as murderers, rapists, drug addicts, gamblers, womanizers, tramps, dog fighters, thugs and gangsters, ex cons, I could go on.

    It only take a coach, and the referees to provide an outcome to the NFL's liking. Therefore, players play and get paid, and as long as they keep their mouth shut they will be rewarded if such privileged info were to cross their path. Most American men have played football on some level which brings about the notion "I played football and I've never been asked to fix a game, therefore there is no way an NFL game would be fixed".

    But an FBI investigation revealed that several KC Chiefs games were taken off of Las Vegas sports book boards for "suspicion of game fixing" and several Las Vegas sports book directors revealed "games were indeed fixed".

    NFL HOFer Paul Hornung and Alex Karas were suspended from the league for an entire season for gambling and participating in potential game fixing, only after the information was made public and scrutiny ensued, not because NFL commissioner Pete Rozell was actively "protecting the integrity of the game".

    It took Packers HC Vince Lombardi to call in a favor to get them reinstated into the NFL. Thus NFL security was born. Just ask yourself...what billion dollar business would allow their profits to be at the hands of uneducated, black, youth? Not one single American business. Businesses ensure that a dollar is made and they don't entrust their livelihood in them. It's just not rational nor good business and no business in the history of business does this.

    A McDonald's burger flipper either does what he is told or he is gone, plain and simple. Burgers still get sold. America still gets fat.
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    3. Players are paid to play, not win. There is this notion that NFL players play for "the gory of the game" and all this other propaganda that the NFL wants you to absorb. But nothing could be further from the truth. Although there is a percentage of players who play for the love of the game, most play for the money and fame. So keeping this in mind, players earn their salary by playing, not winning. It makes no difference to a player, paycheck wise, if he wins or loses as he will still be richer than the average person. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of morons that encompass the NFL as murderers, rapists, drug addicts, gamblers, womanizers, tramps, dog fighters, thugs and gangsters, ex cons, I could go on.

    It only take a coach, and the referees to provide an outcome to the NFL's liking. Therefore, players play and get paid, and as long as they keep their mouth shut they will be rewarded if such privileged info were to cross their path. Most American men have played football on some level which brings about the notion "I played football and I've never been asked to fix a game, therefore there is no way an NFL game would be fixed".

    But an FBI investigation revealed that several KC Chiefs games were taken off of Las Vegas sports book boards for "suspicion of game fixing" and several Las Vegas sports book directors revealed "games were indeed fixed".

    NFL HOFer Paul Hornung and Alex Karas were suspended from the league for an entire season for gambling and participating in potential game fixing, only after the information was made public and scrutiny ensued, not because NFL commissioner Pete Rozell was actively "protecting the integrity of the game".

    It took Packers HC Vince Lombardi to call in a favor to get them reinstated into the NFL. Thus NFL security was born. Just ask yourself...what billion dollar business would allow their profits to be at the hands of uneducated, black, youth? Not one single American business. Businesses ensure that a dollar is made and they don't entrust their livelihood in them. It's just not rational nor good business and no business in the history of business does this.

    A McDonald's burger flipper either does what he is told or he is gone, plain and simple. Burgers still get sold. America still gets fat.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:

    BTW.....I know a ton of former college / NFL players and coaches......AND professional gamblers (including 3 family members that did BOTH / not me ha).......all back this up


    Life / especially wagering just ain't fair.....LUCK > the  breaks go to those that put the work in......but sure it's much easier to sit back on your fat azz.....and claim that everything is fixed / pre-arranged......thanks for dumbing down this forum... and the country even further......nice work.............  

    I love these "I know so and so. I played semi-pro ball, etc, etc".

    Doesn't lend ANY credence to all of the ignorance you just spouted. Obviously, if you KNEW any ex-players, you'd know they sign non-disclosure agreements as part of their contracts. As do refs. Guess your many "ex-player buddies" never got around to telling you that.

    I'll tell you what's dumb. Dumb is waiting for all of the answers to be broadcast on the national news. Now that is friggin dumb.


      .....  ....  This is funny as I do work out at local YMCA with two ex NFL players and they DO NOT sign a non disclosure agreement. For God's sake it's even in the players union agreement they are NOT allowed to.. You  know pee wee football players .. PS also they laugh at scripted talk and they played in the last ten years not in 1980 like most of your examples are from when there was not much money in the NFL.. Players back then took jobs in the off season.. next.. Non disclosure agreements .. A outright LIE
    Be careful with the axe Eugene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:

    BTW.....I know a ton of former college / NFL players and coaches......AND professional gamblers (including 3 family members that did BOTH / not me ha).......all back this up


    Life / especially wagering just ain't fair.....LUCK > the  breaks go to those that put the work in......but sure it's much easier to sit back on your fat azz.....and claim that everything is fixed / pre-arranged......thanks for dumbing down this forum... and the country even further......nice work.............  

    I love these "I know so and so. I played semi-pro ball, etc, etc".

    Doesn't lend ANY credence to all of the ignorance you just spouted. Obviously, if you KNEW any ex-players, you'd know they sign non-disclosure agreements as part of their contracts. As do refs. Guess your many "ex-player buddies" never got around to telling you that.

    I'll tell you what's dumb. Dumb is waiting for all of the answers to be broadcast on the national news. Now that is friggin dumb.


      .....  ....  This is funny as I do work out at local YMCA with two ex NFL players and they DO NOT sign a non disclosure agreement. For God's sake it's even in the players union agreement they are NOT allowed to.. You  know pee wee football players .. PS also they laugh at scripted talk and they played in the last ten years not in 1980 like most of your examples are from when there was not much money in the NFL.. Players back then took jobs in the off season.. next.. Non disclosure agreements .. A outright LIE
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:

    3. Players are paid to play, not win. There is this notion that NFL players play for "the gory of the game" and all this other propaganda that the NFL wants you to absorb. But nothing could be further from the truth. Although there is a percentage of players who play for the love of the game, most play for the money and fame. So keeping this in mind, players earn their salary by playing, not winning. It makes no difference to a player, paycheck wise, if he wins or loses as he will still be richer than the average person. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of morons that encompass the NFL as murderers, rapists, drug addicts, gamblers, womanizers, tramps, dog fighters, thugs and gangsters, ex cons, I could go on.It only take a coach, and the referees to provide an outcome to the NFL's liking. Therefore, players play and get paid, and as long as they keep their mouth shut they will be rewarded if such privileged info were to cross their path. Most American men have played football on some level which brings about the notion "I played football and I've never been asked to fix a game, therefore there is no way an NFL game would be fixed".But an FBI investigation revealed that several KC Chiefs games were taken off of Las Vegas sports book boards for "suspicion of game fixing" and several Las Vegas sports book directors revealed "games were indeed fixed".NFL HOFer Paul Hornung and Alex Karas were suspended from the league for an entire season for gambling and participating in potential game fixing, only after the information was made public and scrutiny ensued, not because NFL commissioner Pete Rozell was actively "protecting the integrity of the game".It took Packers HC Vince Lombardi to call in a favor to get them reinstated into the NFL. Thus NFL security was born. Just ask yourself...what billion dollar business would allow their profits to be at the hands of uneducated, black, youth? Not one single American business. Businesses ensure that a dollar is made and they don't entrust their livelihood in them. It's just not rational nor good business and no business in the history of business does this.A McDonald's burger flipper either does what he is told or he is gone, plain and simple. Burgers still get sold. America still gets fat.

     

    So you are saying the owners, who fight over these players and pay them multi millions of dollars are ordering the players to "fix" the games to the owners liking because they dont want their players being in control of who wins or loses? Furthermore because they are "black, uneducated youth"

    Do you really honestly believe this?

     

    And at what point does somebody pull these players aside and tell them they are now actors and must follow scripts?

    And what if they refuse and decide to play hard on every down?

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:

    3. Players are paid to play, not win. There is this notion that NFL players play for "the gory of the game" and all this other propaganda that the NFL wants you to absorb. But nothing could be further from the truth. Although there is a percentage of players who play for the love of the game, most play for the money and fame. So keeping this in mind, players earn their salary by playing, not winning. It makes no difference to a player, paycheck wise, if he wins or loses as he will still be richer than the average person. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of morons that encompass the NFL as murderers, rapists, drug addicts, gamblers, womanizers, tramps, dog fighters, thugs and gangsters, ex cons, I could go on.It only take a coach, and the referees to provide an outcome to the NFL's liking. Therefore, players play and get paid, and as long as they keep their mouth shut they will be rewarded if such privileged info were to cross their path. Most American men have played football on some level which brings about the notion "I played football and I've never been asked to fix a game, therefore there is no way an NFL game would be fixed".But an FBI investigation revealed that several KC Chiefs games were taken off of Las Vegas sports book boards for "suspicion of game fixing" and several Las Vegas sports book directors revealed "games were indeed fixed".NFL HOFer Paul Hornung and Alex Karas were suspended from the league for an entire season for gambling and participating in potential game fixing, only after the information was made public and scrutiny ensued, not because NFL commissioner Pete Rozell was actively "protecting the integrity of the game".It took Packers HC Vince Lombardi to call in a favor to get them reinstated into the NFL. Thus NFL security was born. Just ask yourself...what billion dollar business would allow their profits to be at the hands of uneducated, black, youth? Not one single American business. Businesses ensure that a dollar is made and they don't entrust their livelihood in them. It's just not rational nor good business and no business in the history of business does this.A McDonald's burger flipper either does what he is told or he is gone, plain and simple. Burgers still get sold. America still gets fat.

     

    So you are saying the owners, who fight over these players and pay them multi millions of dollars are ordering the players to "fix" the games to the owners liking because they dont want their players being in control of who wins or loses? Furthermore because they are "black, uneducated youth"

    Do you really honestly believe this?

     

    And at what point does somebody pull these players aside and tell them they are now actors and must follow scripts?

    And what if they refuse and decide to play hard on every down?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMed:

     

    So you are saying the owners, who fight over these players and pay them multi millions of dollars are ordering the players to "fix" the games to the owners liking because they dont want their players being in control of who wins or loses? Furthermore because they are "black, uneducated youth"

    Do you really honestly believe this?

     

    And at what point does somebody pull these players aside and tell them they are now actors and must follow scripts?

    And what if they refuse and decide to play hard on every down?

     

     

     

     

     

     


    Mike, I did not write this. I pulled it from a blog. Just thought it was interesting. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMed:

     

    So you are saying the owners, who fight over these players and pay them multi millions of dollars are ordering the players to "fix" the games to the owners liking because they dont want their players being in control of who wins or loses? Furthermore because they are "black, uneducated youth"

    Do you really honestly believe this?

     

    And at what point does somebody pull these players aside and tell them they are now actors and must follow scripts?

    And what if they refuse and decide to play hard on every down?

     

     

     

     

     

     


    Mike, I did not write this. I pulled it from a blog. Just thought it was interesting. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

      .....  ....  This is funny as I do work out at local YMCA with two ex NFL players and they DO NOT sign a non disclosure agreement. For God's sake it's even in the players union agreement they are NOT allowed to.. You  know pee wee football players .. PS also they laugh at scripted talk and they played in the last ten years not in 1980 like most of your examples are from when there was not much money in the NFL.. Players back then took jobs in the off season.. next.. Non disclosure agreements .. A outright LIE


    It’s now official............WHATAFUCKINDOUCHE not only has to lie about NDA’S but is also a racist.  Thank you Art for pointing out the NDA bull$hit she was spouting because I was gonna be all over it when I read it.  One thing we all have concluded for sure is that your tin foil hat is strapped on to tight.  You are now known as the biggest fu*kin moron in this thread.  Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtSchlichterJr:

      .....  ....  This is funny as I do work out at local YMCA with two ex NFL players and they DO NOT sign a non disclosure agreement. For God's sake it's even in the players union agreement they are NOT allowed to.. You  know pee wee football players .. PS also they laugh at scripted talk and they played in the last ten years not in 1980 like most of your examples are from when there was not much money in the NFL.. Players back then took jobs in the off season.. next.. Non disclosure agreements .. A outright LIE


    It’s now official............WHATAFUCKINDOUCHE not only has to lie about NDA’S but is also a racist.  Thank you Art for pointing out the NDA bull$hit she was spouting because I was gonna be all over it when I read it.  One thing we all have concluded for sure is that your tin foil hat is strapped on to tight.  You are now known as the biggest fu*kin moron in this thread.  Well done.

     
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    I find it funny how the fixed debates always ramp up big time in playoffs. Thats cause u have all the biggest mushes in the action now and as soon as they see one mistake go against them they lose their minds and cry its fixed. Believe it ot not, even pro athletes make mistakes too when making split second decisions, just like we all do, whether in sports or other parts of life. Pro athletes are humans too, just very talented in their sport. People lose their lives everyday making split second decisions in car crashes. If diggs went out of bounds and vikings won on a fg, would as many ppl think it was fixed? Obviously there have ben small scale cases of match fixing in the past, but to think the entire league is scripted all the way down to all the players is far fetched 

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    I find it funny how the fixed debates always ramp up big time in playoffs. Thats cause u have all the biggest mushes in the action now and as soon as they see one mistake go against them they lose their minds and cry its fixed. Believe it ot not, even pro athletes make mistakes too when making split second decisions, just like we all do, whether in sports or other parts of life. Pro athletes are humans too, just very talented in their sport. People lose their lives everyday making split second decisions in car crashes. If diggs went out of bounds and vikings won on a fg, would as many ppl think it was fixed? Obviously there have ben small scale cases of match fixing in the past, but to think the entire league is scripted all the way down to all the players is far fetched 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdouble:

    debating this topic is like debating religion , or politics , everyone is entitled to their own view or opinion no matter how crazy or far fetched others believe it to be .just be thankful you live a life where you can freely speak your mind , and have time to come on a site like this and argue about things that in the grand scheme of life are meaningless 


    You make some good points. In religion we actually have evidence - Sacred Scripture, eyewitnesses, even physical evidence, such as the Shroud of Turin, the tilma of Guadalupe, etc. But with fixed games we have ... ZERO evidence. (DoubleUp is the only one presenting any kind of intelligent perspective on the fixed-game side.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdouble:

    debating this topic is like debating religion , or politics , everyone is entitled to their own view or opinion no matter how crazy or far fetched others believe it to be .just be thankful you live a life where you can freely speak your mind , and have time to come on a site like this and argue about things that in the grand scheme of life are meaningless 


    You make some good points. In religion we actually have evidence - Sacred Scripture, eyewitnesses, even physical evidence, such as the Shroud of Turin, the tilma of Guadalupe, etc. But with fixed games we have ... ZERO evidence. (DoubleUp is the only one presenting any kind of intelligent perspective on the fixed-game side.)
     
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    SO for those that say, it may be 'Fixed' If you continue to gamble on NFL Games...Why?!
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    SO for those that say, it may be 'Fixed' If you continue to gamble on NFL Games...Why?!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorSuccess:


    You make some good points. In religion we actually have evidence - Sacred Scripture, eyewitnesses, even physical evidence, such as the Shroud of Turin, the tilma of Guadalupe, etc. But with fixed games we have ... ZERO evidence. (DoubleUp is the only one presenting any kind of intelligent perspective on the fixed-game side.)

    Actually, you have LOADS AND LOADS of evidence as to game-fixing. You jsut choose ot explain it away and chalk it up to "human error". That's on YOU. In this world, you cna choose to be blind, or to see the light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorSuccess:


    You make some good points. In religion we actually have evidence - Sacred Scripture, eyewitnesses, even physical evidence, such as the Shroud of Turin, the tilma of Guadalupe, etc. But with fixed games we have ... ZERO evidence. (DoubleUp is the only one presenting any kind of intelligent perspective on the fixed-game side.)

    Actually, you have LOADS AND LOADS of evidence as to game-fixing. You jsut choose ot explain it away and chalk it up to "human error". That's on YOU. In this world, you cna choose to be blind, or to see the light.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:


    Actually, you have LOADS AND LOADS of evidence as to game-fixing. You jsut choose ot explain it away and chalk it up to "human error". That's on YOU. In this world, you cna choose to be blind, or to see the light.

    Can you please provide evidence of an NFL game that was fixed within the last two years. Just one example. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:


    Actually, you have LOADS AND LOADS of evidence as to game-fixing. You jsut choose ot explain it away and chalk it up to "human error". That's on YOU. In this world, you cna choose to be blind, or to see the light.

    Can you please provide evidence of an NFL game that was fixed within the last two years. Just one example. Thanks.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2018 - 10:56 PM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorSuccess:


    Can you please provide evidence of an NFL game that was fixed within the last two years. Just one example. Thanks.

    You're like the NFL HOF committee. You move the goalpost every time it suits your narrative. If I provided one, you'd say, OK, OK, now gimme one in the past three weeks.

    I hope you find inner peace with your outlook on both life and sports. As humans, we see what we WANT to see. Since you mentioned religion, I find the irony quite thick.......since it's the MOST glaring example of how the masses--for centuries--have been manipulated like sheep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorSuccess:


    Can you please provide evidence of an NFL game that was fixed within the last two years. Just one example. Thanks.

    You're like the NFL HOF committee. You move the goalpost every time it suits your narrative. If I provided one, you'd say, OK, OK, now gimme one in the past three weeks.

    I hope you find inner peace with your outlook on both life and sports. As humans, we see what we WANT to see. Since you mentioned religion, I find the irony quite thick.......since it's the MOST glaring example of how the masses--for centuries--have been manipulated like sheep.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:


    You're like the NFL HOF committee. You move the goalpost every time it suits your narrative. If I provided one, you'd say, OK, OK, now gimme one in the past three weeks.

    I hope you find inner peace with your outlook on both life and sports. As humans, we see what we WANT to see. Since you mentioned religion, I find the irony quite thick.......since it's the MOST glaring example of how the masses--for centuries--have been manipulated like sheep.

    I love these "I know it's fixed but I have no proof" blah blah blah...  What a fukin joke.

    Give us the winners this Sunday Mr. Fix It or turn off mommy's computer.
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:


    You're like the NFL HOF committee. You move the goalpost every time it suits your narrative. If I provided one, you'd say, OK, OK, now gimme one in the past three weeks.

    I hope you find inner peace with your outlook on both life and sports. As humans, we see what we WANT to see. Since you mentioned religion, I find the irony quite thick.......since it's the MOST glaring example of how the masses--for centuries--have been manipulated like sheep.

    I love these "I know it's fixed but I have no proof" blah blah blah...  What a fukin joke.

    Give us the winners this Sunday Mr. Fix It or turn off mommy's computer.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2018 - 11:18 PM ET #69

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    I love these "I know it's fixed but I have no proof" blah blah blah...  What a fukin joke.

    Give us the winners this Sunday Mr. Fix It or turn off mommy's computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    I love these "I know it's fixed but I have no proof" blah blah blah...  What a fukin joke.

    Give us the winners this Sunday Mr. Fix It or turn off mommy's computer.

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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2018 - 11:26 PM ET #73

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    I love these "I know it's fixed but I have no proof" blah blah blah...  What a fukin joke.

    Give us the winners this Sunday Mr. Fix It or turn off mommy's computer.

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    I love these "I know it's fixed but I have no proof" blah blah blah...  What a fukin joke.

    Give us the winners this Sunday Mr. Fix It or turn off mommy's computer.

    Just got mom's permission to keep posting, so here goes:

    Do you mean winners like the ones I just posted? Son, I just won 13 grand betting on THREE different sports. All live betting, and all in a matter of just 2 hours. 

    Do your OWN damned HW instead of leeching off others. Now, show me YOURS.....pretty please ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    I love these "I know it's fixed but I have no proof" blah blah blah...  What a fukin joke.

    Give us the winners this Sunday Mr. Fix It or turn off mommy's computer.

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    I love these "I know it's fixed but I have no proof" blah blah blah...  What a fukin joke.

    Give us the winners this Sunday Mr. Fix It or turn off mommy's computer.

    Just got mom's permission to keep posting, so here goes:

    Do you mean winners like the ones I just posted? Son, I just won 13 grand betting on THREE different sports. All live betting, and all in a matter of just 2 hours. 

    Do your OWN damned HW instead of leeching off others. Now, show me YOURS.....pretty please ??
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2018 - 11:28 PM ET #74

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    I love these "I know it's fixed but I have no proof" blah blah blah...  What a fukin joke.

    Give us the winners this Sunday Mr. Fix It or turn off mommy's computer.


    Just got mom's permission to keep posting, so here goes:

    Do you mean winners like the ones I just posted? Son, I just won 13 grand betting on THREE different sports. All live betting, and all in a matter of just 2 hours. 

    Do your OWN damned HW instead of leeching off others. Now, show me YOURS.

    .....pretty please ??
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    I love these "I know it's fixed but I have no proof" blah blah blah...  What a fukin joke.

    Give us the winners this Sunday Mr. Fix It or turn off mommy's computer.


    Just got mom's permission to keep posting, so here goes:

    Do you mean winners like the ones I just posted? Son, I just won 13 grand betting on THREE different sports. All live betting, and all in a matter of just 2 hours. 

    Do your OWN damned HW instead of leeching off others. Now, show me YOURS.

    .....pretty please ??
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2018 - 11:33 PM ET #75

    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:


    You're like the NFL HOF committee. You move the goalpost every time it suits your narrative. If I provided one, you'd say, OK, OK, now gimme one in the past three weeks.

    I hope you find inner peace with your outlook on both life and sports. As humans, we see what we WANT to see. Since you mentioned religion, I find the irony quite thick.......since it's the MOST glaring example of how the masses--for centuries--have been manipulated like sheep.

    You said there was "loads and loads of evidence" that NFL games were fixed, so I asked for one example of evidence that an NFL game was fixed within the last two years. If you don't have any evidence, that's cool. I'll see if anyone else does.

    Is there anyone reading this who can provide one piece of evidence that an NFL game has been fixed in the last two years? If so, please post it here. I have an open mind and I - and many others - would be very interested in seeing the evidence you have that NFL games are fixed. Thank you in advance.

    DoubleUp, I know you have tons of great info, but I want to see what some of these other guys who believe the NFL is fixed have to say. 
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:


    You're like the NFL HOF committee. You move the goalpost every time it suits your narrative. If I provided one, you'd say, OK, OK, now gimme one in the past three weeks.

    I hope you find inner peace with your outlook on both life and sports. As humans, we see what we WANT to see. Since you mentioned religion, I find the irony quite thick.......since it's the MOST glaring example of how the masses--for centuries--have been manipulated like sheep.

    You said there was "loads and loads of evidence" that NFL games were fixed, so I asked for one example of evidence that an NFL game was fixed within the last two years. If you don't have any evidence, that's cool. I'll see if anyone else does.

    Is there anyone reading this who can provide one piece of evidence that an NFL game has been fixed in the last two years? If so, please post it here. I have an open mind and I - and many others - would be very interested in seeing the evidence you have that NFL games are fixed. Thank you in advance.

    DoubleUp, I know you have tons of great info, but I want to see what some of these other guys who believe the NFL is fixed have to say. 
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