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#2051
Quote Originally Posted by TA63:
Yeah, your probably right. Ill be on that like stink on shit.
You were right. Steelers stand at 9 point favorites on Pinnacle.
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Hey Guys...Tim Tebow Still Sucks
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#2052
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
The Giants just showed everyone what it's like to EARN a playoff birth instead of it being handed to them.
The Giants just showed everyone what it's like to EARN a playoff birth instead of it being handed to them.
Not to mention that Eli Manning set a record by throwing his 15th fourth quarter TD pass surpassing Johnny Unitas and, oh yea, Peyton Manning.
I assume you are referring to Denver.
Giants finished 9-7 in a shit division and the Broncos finished 8-8 in a shit division.
How did one team earn their title and the other team have it handed to them?
Was it because the Giants won their last game and the Broncos didn’t? Last I checked a win at the beginning or middle of the season counts the same as a win at the end of the season.
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#2053
Quote Originally Posted by joboarder:
Funny thing is the NFC "Least" overall record looks pretty much the same as the AFC west to me ...spin that one my friend ...no wait you guys have the PATHETIC redskins that you lose to at home and score 10 points against.....which GOOD teams did you EARN anything against ?
But the Giants have played 4 playoff teams in the span of 5 games. Not to mention the fact that the 4 teams have the top 4 records in the NFL. And anyone who watches football knows the NFC East is a far tougher division than the AFC West and it always has been.
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#2055
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
I assume you are referring to Denver.
Giants finished 9-7 in a shit division and the Broncos finished 8-8 in a shit division.
How did one team earn their title and the other team have it handed to them?
Was it because the Giants won their last game and the Broncos didn’t? Last I checked a win at the beginning or middle of the season counts the same as a win at the end of the season.
They earned their title with convincing wins over their final 2 games instead of limping into the playoffs by losing their final 3 and needing another team to win. The Giants had to win the final to games to make the playoffs. They controlled their own fate and WON. The Broncos needed help from the Chargers to win their division.
Also...everything I said in post #2054 can be added to this post. Meaning strength of schedule and the NFC East being far more tougher than the AFC West.
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Posted:
#2056
Quote Originally Posted by metalbill:
broncos have a 1% chance of beating the steelers. i don't care how many prayers tebow says.
the tebow/broncos cinderella story, will officially be over next week. denver doesn't even deserve to be in the playoffs. imo
broncos have a 1% chance of beating the steelers. i don't care how many prayers tebow says.
the tebow/broncos cinderella story, will officially be over next week. denver doesn't even deserve to be in the playoffs. imo The story ended 3 weeks ago when the Patriots hit them with a reality check.
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Posted:
#2057
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
But the Giants have played 4 playoff teams in the span of 5 games. Not to mention the fact that the 4 teams have the top 4 records in the NFL. And anyone who watches football knows the NFC East is a far tougher division than the AFC West and it always has been.
Exactly correct ...4 playoff teams in 5 games.....and lost 3 of 4 ...so what is your point ? that the Giants cant beat good teams ...I know I already said that ...glad we agree on that ...now back to which team has the Giants beat with a WINNING record ?
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Posted:
#2058
Quote Originally Posted by joboarder:
and 4 of Elis's 8 years were a rating of less than 75 ...to use your words that is worse than poor ...hey sparky tell us what Eli's jock smells like ...cant wait to see him go out in the first round next week to bring his playoff record to 1-4 in first round games ...ultimate overated QB but we will see...Eli ....mister one and done ...choke it Eli ....pull up his FIRST round playoff game records Sparky ....but he has had a winning record in Just half of his seasons ...the ones above 75 rating ...which like I said is just 4 years .....type me a response sparky if you can pull yourself away from sniffin that old Eli jock you bought off E bay
Why did you even bring Eli into the discussion? Lets just play along and acts like it's not your way of diversion. For the record, I don't think Eli is an elite QB but I certainly would take him over Tebow anyday.
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Posted:
#2059
Quote Originally Posted by joboarder:
Exactly correct ...4 playoff teams in 5 games.....and lost 3 of 4 ...so what is your point ? that the Giants cant beat good teams ...I know I already said that ...glad we agree on that ...now back to which team has the Giants beat with a WINNING record ?
Let me pull a straightshooter right now and say...Where did I say the Giants were good?
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Posted:
#2060
i think Tebow is stinkng it up lately but being heavy underdogs at home against a very beat up Steelers team sets up for a nice cover at home- take the under instead!
Shooter you've made some good points but i have to also say that the Giants earned the playoff spot instead of backing in- and that is coming from a big Cowboys fan(yes they are terrible and i know it thus my Giants bet tonight)- Giants will lose and Denver should lose- Then maybe this thread can die- Will be interesting to see if Denver makes a move for Matt Flynn this offseason
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Posted:
#2061
Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:
Why did you even bring Eli into the discussion? Lets just play along and acts like it's not your way of diversion. For the record, I don't think Eli is an elite QB but I certainly would take him over Tebow anyday.
Yea. He did not mention one single thing about Tebow's performance today. He's just talking about Eli's past because I'm a Giants fan.
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#2062
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
They earned their title with convincing wins over their final 2 games instead of limping into the playoffs by losing their final 3 and needing another team to win. The Giants had to win the final to games to make the playoffs. They controlled their own fate and WON. The Broncos needed help from the Chargers to win their division.
Also...everything I said in post #2054 can be added to this post. Meaning strength of schedule and the NFC East being far more tougher than the AFC West.
Again: Last I checked a win at the beginning or middle of the season counts the same as a win at the end of the season.
A 9-7 team in a shit division earned their title, but an 8-8 team in a shit division had their title handed to them?
I wonder if you weren’t a huge giants homer and a rabid Tebow hater you’d feel the same way.
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#2063
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
If his name wasn't Tim Tebow...he wouldn't have a chance in the NFL. What QB can play 95% of horrid football and still play in the NFL?
Face a good team, one that isn't from a "west" division not named the 49ers, and see where that gets you. Maybe facing an NFC team would open some eyes.
First post NUMBER ONE ....you said face a good team.....how did facing good teams stack up for your giants and Eli ? guess from your analogy ...they/he sucks too HUH ? it all boild down to facing good teams according to you ...so TELL ME AGAIN ...listen closely ....WHICH TEAMS WITH A WINNING RECORD DID THE GIANTS/ELI beat this year ...I will wait ...Good team=Winning record ...answer please ?
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Posted:
#2064
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
Again: Last I checked a win at the beginning or middle of the season counts the same as a win at the end of the season.
A 9-7 team in a shit division earned their title, but an 8-8 team in a shit division had their title handed to them?
I wonder if you weren’t a huge giants homer and a rabid Tebow hater you’d feel the same way.
Yea...I'm a huge Giants homer who doesn't expect the Giants to go far in the playoffs because their defense is incredibly sketchy. 
I'm a Giants FAN...not a "homer". The Giants aren't a good TEAM. They got a solid offense led by a career season by Eli which isn't even a question and an incredible emergence of a SUPERSTAR in Victor Cruz. But they lack a return game and a secondary.
Lucky for them, however, is that their offense is so good and the top teams in the NFC have weak secondaries as well that they may be able to steal some.
But as for the Broncos...Tebow isn't good at all and will be lucky to move the ball on the Steelers' defense.
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#2065
Quote Originally Posted by blowoutgm:
i think Tebow is stinkng it up lately but being heavy underdogs at home against a very beat up Steelers team sets up for a nice cover at home- take the under instead!
Shooter you've made some good points but i have to also say that the Giants earned the playoff spot instead of backing in- and that is coming from a big Cowboys fan(yes they are terrible and i know it thus my Giants bet tonight)- Giants will lose and Denver should lose- Then maybe this thread can die- Will be interesting to see if Denver makes a move for Matt Flynn this offseason
The Giants are definitely a better team than the Broncos and the Giants finished much stronger, but like I said they both play in shit divisions and one finished 9-7 and the other 8-8. I don’t think that means the giants earned it and the broncos had it handed to them.
The reason the broncos could finish weak and still win the division was because they had a 6 game winning streak in the middle of the season.
The reason the giants couldn't afford to was because they had a 4 game losing streak in the middle of the season.
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#2066
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Yea...I'm a huge Giants homer who doesn't expect the Giants to go far in the playoffs because their defense is incredibly sketchy.
I'm a Giants FAN...not a "homer". The Giants aren't a good TEAM. They got a solid offense led by a career season by Eli which isn't even a question and an incredible emergence of a SUPERSTAR in Victor Cruz. But they lack a return game and a secondary.
Lucky for them, however, is that their offense is so good and the top teams in the NFC have weak secondaries as well that they may be able to steal some.
But as for the Broncos...Tebow isn't good at all and will be lucky to move the ball on the Steelers' defense.
We aren’t talking about who is doing what in the post season. We are talking about how you think a 9-7 team in a shit division earned their title while an 8-8 team in a shit division had it handed to them.
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Posted:
#2067
Quote Originally Posted by joboarder:
First post NUMBER ONE ....you said face a good team.....how did facing good teams stack up for your giants and Eli ? guess from your analogy ...they/he sucks too HUH ? it all boild down to facing good teams according to you ...so TELL ME AGAIN ...listen closely ....WHICH TEAMS WITH A WINNING RECORD DID THE GIANTS/ELI beat this year ...I will wait ...Good team=Winning record ...answer please ?
There is no they/he. There is only a they. And as I've said...the secondary is why this team is so bad.
And what good/winning team did the Giants beat this year? Well...going into Foxboro and beating the Patriots is pretty impressive.
And post #2065 can be added to this one.
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Posted:
#2068
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
The Giants are definitely a better team than the Broncos and the Giants finished much stronger, but like I said they both play in shit divisions and one finished 9-7 and the other 8-8. I don’t think that means the giants earned it and the broncos had it handed to them.
The reason the broncos could finish weak and still win the division was because they had a 6 game winning streak in the middle of the season.
The reason the giants couldn't afford to was because they had a 4 game losing streak in the middle of the season.
But the 6 game winning streak came against average to below average teams. The Giant's 4 game losing streak came against some of the best teams in the NFL.
There's no arguing here. The Giants are the better team, have the better record, play in the better division, had the tougher schedule and finished the season stronger.
But I don't know why this is all of a sudden a Giants thread. If you want to talk about the Giants...make another thread about it. How'd the topic of this thread play today?
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#2069
[Quote: Originally Posted by Sparky10191]
But the Giants have played 4 playoff teams in the span of 5 games. Not to mention the fact that the 4 teams have the top 4 records in the NFL. And anyone who watches football knows the NFC East is a far tougher division than the AFC West and it always has been.
https://www.betvega.com/nfl-strength-of-schedule/
so Denver SOS 3rd toughest ...NYG 19th toughest .....poof goes that argument ...but then again NYG cant beat a team with a winning record anyway...they just cant beat the good teams....always has been their problem for years ...they ALWAYS have excuses
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Posted:
#2072
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
But the 6 game winning streak came against average to below average teams. The Giant's 4 game losing streak came against some of the best teams in the NFL.
There's no arguing here. The Giants are the better team, have the better record, play in the better division, had the tougher schedule and finished the season stronger.
But I don't know why this is all of a sudden a Giants thread. If you want to talk about the Giants...make another thread about it. How'd the topic of this thread play today?
So you’re going to maintain that a 9-7 team with an easier schedule and playing in a shit division earned their title while an 8-8 team with a harder schedule and playing in a shit division had it handed to them?
I respect you as a poster sparky, but that’s just plain idiotic.
And the reason we are talking about this is because of your comment in post 2044: “The Giants just showed everyone what it's like to EARN a playoff birth instead of it being handed to them.”
Tebow didn't play well today but his team also won the division title today in part due to his contributions in earlier games.
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Posted:
#2073
Quote Originally Posted by joboarder:
https://www.betvega.com/nfl-strength-of-schedule/
so Denver SOS 3rd toughest ...NYG 19th toughest .....poof goes that argument ...but then again NYG cant beat a team with a winning record anyway...they just cant beat the good teams....always has been their problem for years ...they ALWAYS have excuses
There's a difference between the Broncos' strength of schedule for the season and the Broncos' strength of schedule with Tim Tebow. Orton faced the Packers, Bengals and Titans. So lets correct those numbers just a bit.
Broncos (w/ Tebow) -- .477 winning percentage
Broncos (w/ Orton) -- .612 winning percentage
Broncos (w/ Orton) -- .612 winning percentage
Giants -- .492 winning percentage
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Posted:
#2075
Quote Originally Posted by joboarder:
Sparky you keep saying the defense is why Denver won ...but you say NYG defense is crap and that is why they are bad ...well hate to tell you but Denver/NYG ranked 28/29 respectivly as to defense so how does that make sense to your argument....?
Sparky you keep saying the defense is why Denver won ...but you say NYG defense is crap and that is why they are bad ...well hate to tell you but Denver/NYG ranked 28/29 respectivly as to defense so how does that make sense to your argument....?
If you want to hear my argument about defense...read the thread. I talked about it quite a bit.
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