100%......Imagine having no self purpose........Not knowing what u are here for.........
As i said, alot of people on drugs, alacohol abuse, no job, no love, gambling problems generally feel like this............
Suicide rates are closely correlated to people that i have mentioned above, so i can understand those people not having any sense of purpose and hope.......
Anyways, all what this thread has done is further strengthen my beliefs...It has made me open my eyes and look at things from another angle and further strengthened my faith............
Fancy thinking u come on here, do what u want and then die and thats it......yet everything we do from eating to shitting, to working to playing to everything has a purpose and u generally build up towards something.....But life itself doesnt .......
BOL peace everyone......
I think the idea that everything was created with a big boom is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
If evolution is how humans came to be then why is it monkeys were the only thing that evolved?
Why havent all animals evolved to walking ,talking human like figures?
Hey rostos, I feel ya man. I totally agree with you. I'm not here to try to sway people one way or another, but it comes down to how you were raised. Everything in life IMO comes down to how you were raised. Sure, some people could be raised the wrong way and turn out alright, but for the majority, people learn everything from their peers and when they are growing up. That being said, I went to a catholic school for all of grade school and all 4 years of high school. While there, especially in high school, they did not try to beat it into your brain that all you have to do is obey God and do all things for him. The main thing that I got out of high school is a fantastic education and a firm belief in God. My parents go to church every weekeend as well as the rest of my family. My grandmother goes every single morning. Well me, I dont ever go anymore except for christmas and easter. Its a time in my life where I feel as if I dont need god. Most teenagers think the same as myself.
Now for my thoughts about the main topic of this thread;dying. The whole prayer thing makes a lot of sense to me. They wanted people to pray for that person to put them at peace. They wanted that person to overcome the cancer so they could be with them for an extended period of time. It is not that they didn't want that person to go to heaven, it is that they didnt want that person to go to heaven quite yet. I firmly believe that you will go onto new life when God is ready for you. A ton of people don't believe and that is totally fine and I can see why you dont. And, just because you don't go to church often, does not mean that you dont believe in God.
I do not know this from experience obviously, but when you are dying you are at peace. As bad as it sounds, some people are ready for it. For example, my grandpa. He had a terrible heart and he survived 3 heart attacks! Thats pretty incredible. He was a very religious man, and he believed that it just was not his time. During this time we all prayed for him and I am sure that he prayed for himself, for the sole fact that he wasnt ready yet. About 9 months ago my grandfather passed away from cancer. I am 1 of 29 grandchildren, but still, everyone knew it was him time. As we were all saying our goodbyes, you could just tell that he was in peace. He told all of us that it was the best he felt it years right before he died.. It was his time. As I sit here and type this, I am currently with my grandmother. I go away for college so I dont get to see her that much. When her husband died of cancer, it took a lot out of her. She has ALS pretty bad and not having her husband around is very tough for her. We all take turns staying with her at her house because she wants to "die" in the comfort of her own home. As I type this, she is taking a nap in her chair and just looks at peace. Sure, she doesnt look all too healthy, but she is at least in peace.
Sorry for rambling on about all of this as I am sure some dont care or just dont want to hear about this. It may have sounded a little bit off of the topic, but I just wanted to put my 2 cents in about peace and death and also whether people are ready to go or not. I have gotten a lot closer to God in this particular year with many things going on in my life. I feel better about it and also feel like he does help me overcome certain things. Everyone have a great day, and continue to be the best person you can, and things will fall into place for you!
Is this odd?
If heaven is forever and all believers are going, why do we talk about the short world here and spending more time here? What is eternity in heaven to 10 years here? Why does this point keep coming up?
What is the point in extending life on this world? We should root for death as believers and get out of this world. Why pay bills, go to work, divorce, move? Pray for death, it is the gateway to eternal life.
Just a question to finally end this discussion.........I am particularly interested to know what your purpose (or everyones) purspose of this life is then.......
After all..........Surely there has to be a purpose why we are here.......
I get up in the morning to go to work to earn an income to feed myself, roof, shelter etc etc....
I drive a car to get me from point a to b....
I eat to fill my stomach
I sleep to rest...
The sun is there so life can exist here, plants etc etc etc.
Basically saying everything u see and do has a purpose.....
As a Catholic, i believe the purpose why we are here on this earth is to learn and love, try and live like Jesus in preperation for the afterlife...(tests).........
For atheists, what is there purpose, surely if everything we do and see has a purpose, then surely our existance has a purpose.....
It cant be to earn as much money as we can, or get as many earthly possesions etc etc cause we cant take it with you......
So, by your definition, we die and there is just blackness, nothing etc etc, so what was the purpose of this life then......
If all the micro things we do on this earth has a purpose and the earth itself has a purpose, then what is the purpose of this life?
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Look, this isnt about who is better than who or who will go to heavan first etc etc.......
You sound like you are a good person etc etc, but i am not here to judge......
U said u used to awake at night thinking about these questions.....U arent meant to know the answers to these from physical evidence, if that was the case then there would be conclusive evidence.........and neither party has physical evidence......Thats why it is called faith.......
If u go to a resteraunt, do u want to watch the chef cook your food so he doesnt poison u? No.....But u have faith and confidence that he wont........
I refuse to believe the world "just happened" by "luck" and that we evolved from animals.......and there is no purpose to this at all.......
I firmly believe God created the world, sent his son down Jesus to model to everyone how man should live but ultimately man has free will and will be judged by how they live.....
Some people who live a life of sin refuse to believe this so they dont want to fear what could happen to them......
Other people want proof but they will never get it one way or the other.....NEVER........
People want to blame God for all the wars , distasters etc, but man has free will.....
at the end of the day, it is a mystery......if u think about it too much, u will go crazy....u either believe or u dont........
I generally find though, people that live a life of drug abuse, alcohol abuse, jobless for extended periods of time, gambling debts generally live a life of depression and unhappiness hence there outlook on life.......
I know that if God wasnt in my life i would have gone down a different path, a path of real destruction........
Thank God i didnt....live, learn and love and wait for judgement day..........
Peace...
that was fun timmyboy--pretty damn challenging,,,,,,,,,,,,,20............i guess i bow down to your superior intellect 
Look, if it appears that i'm trying to come off like some superior intellectual being around here, I apologize. I've made it no secret that it took me 7 years to graduate from college 
(but in my defense- i was having WAY too much fucking fun to leave), but there are certain topics that I do feel educated enough to debate on, and religion is one of them. I've dug deep into this world, through college courses and through my own research and I feel fairly confident in the answers that I have found. Like most, I came from a religious background (Irish-Catholic), and I had this nonsense crammed down my throat at an early age, but as I began to grow up, there were just too many questions regarding what Catholicism had taught me- too many holes (not to mention the attraction of pedophiles to this religion, but i degress.......). So I began to "turn over every stone" in order to seek answers, and that began with picking apart the work of fiction, that is known as "The Bible." I'm a firm believer that if the "believers" put as much research into this as I have, rather than just using the "cop-out" justification of "faith,", or just accepting because their parents-and their grandparents-and their great- grand parents believed, then they would be able to better understand where I'm coming from. Now, if the "believers" are as confident in their beliefs as I am- then at least it should give you solace to know that I'll be spending my eternity in the fires of hell with Lucifer himself, while Team J-Man frolicks under heaven's pearly gates 
that was fun timmyboy--pretty damn challenging,,,,,,,,,,,,,20............i guess i bow down to your superior intellect
Look, if it appears that i'm trying to come off like some superior intellectual being around here, I apologize. I've made it no secret that it took me 7 years to graduate from college (but in my defense- i was having WAY too much fucking fun to leave), but there are certain topics that I do feel educated enough to debate on, and religion is one of them. I've dug deep into this world, through college courses and through my own research and I feel fairly confident in the answers that I have found. Like most, I came from a religious background (Irish-Catholic), and I had this nonsense crammed down my throat at an early age, but as I began to grow up, there were just too many questions regarding what Catholicism had taught me- too many holes (not to mention the attraction of pedophiles to this religion, but i degress.......). So I began to "turn over every stone" in order to seek answers, and that began with picking apart the work of fiction, that is known as "The Bible." I'm a firm believer that if the "believers" put as much research into this as I have, rather than just using the "cop-out" justification of "faith,", or just accepting because their parents-and their grandparents-and their great- grand parents believed, then they would be able to better understand where I'm coming from. Now, if the "believers" are as confident in their beliefs as I am- then at least it should give you solace to know that I'll be spending my eternity in the fires of hell with Lucifer himself, while Team J-Man frolicks under heaven's pearly gates
that was fun timmyboy--pretty damn challenging,,,,,,,,,,,,,20............i guess i bow down to your superior intellect
Look, if it appears that i'm trying to come off like some superior intellectual being around here, I apologize. I've made it no secret that it took me 7 years to graduate from college (but in my defense- i was having WAY too much fucking fun to leave), but there are certain topics that I do feel educated enough to debate on, and religion is one of them. I've dug deep into this world, through college courses and through my own research and I feel fairly confident in the answers that I have found. Like most, I came from a religious background (Irish-Catholic), and I had this nonsense crammed down my throat at an early age, but as I began to grow up, there were just too many questions regarding what Catholicism had taught me- too many holes (not to mention the attraction of pedophiles to this religion, but i degress.......). So I began to "turn over every stone" in order to seek answers, and that began with picking apart the work of fiction, that is known as "The Bible." I'm a firm believer that if the "believers" put as much research into this as I have, rather than just using the "cop-out" justification of "faith,", or just accepting because their parents-and their grandparents-and their great- grand parents believed, then they would be able to better understand where I'm coming from. Now, if the "believers" are as confident in their beliefs as I am- then at least it should give you solace to know that I'll be spending my eternity in the fires of hell with Lucifer himself, while Team J-Man frolicks under heaven's pearly gates
7 years? nice work. i left after 4.5 and regret that i graduated early.
so what if i told you about a religion that believes mermaids are holy and they are the true and only gods and we must worship them and believe that they have created everything and when we accept that, when we die, we go to some magical kingdon under the sea with everything we always wanted. no one can disprove this is true.
would there be any downside to believing this?
If you truly have that thirst for knowledge, I suggest- Thomas Paine (way ahead of his time), Christopher Hitchens, the movie "zeitgeist", Richard Dawkins, and 2 of my favorites -Bill Maher and George Carlin, but I'm guessing, that if you're from Alabama - you're probably not interested in anything from Bill Maher
Like I said, I don't read too many full books, but as you know, with the internet, education is only a click away...............
cheers sir 
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