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Quote Originally Posted by swahili:

ok so no one on the conspiracy side has an answer as to where the plane went, surely to god you must have pondered that for a second or two but I do understand your dilemma there is no reasonable answer ...oh wait heres one ...they wiped out the whole plane ....wonder how they did that -- every plane was instructed to land immediately

but somehow that one just disappeared ?



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Did you watch the video I posted?  It gives eye witness testimony from 3 different people that actually saw a "silver plane" fly OVER the Pentagon just after the explosion, and towards the airport which was very close to the Pentagon 

Also, why are we avoiding this fact:

The trajectory of Flight 77 absolutely, 100% without a doubt, with literally -zero- room for error, HAD TO BE the exact trajectory that the Government said in their report. If the trajectory of Flight 77 were even off a single foot in any direction, the damage to the Pentagon would be inconsistent, and the downed light poles would have never been struck.  The trajectory MUST HAVE BEEN what the Government said it was.  If not, then the plane did not hit the Pentagon. 

I now refer back to this video. There are over a dozen people saying that the plane took a Northern approach to the Navy Annex and the Citgo gas station, other than a Southern approach which was described in the governments official report.  How can this be possible?  A Northern approach would have put the plane hundreds of feet off the required course needed to inflict the very specific damage to the Pentagon and the downed light poles.  How can this be possible?

Hutch and others,  I never claimed that there wasn't a plane.  I believe Flight 77 flew directly over and past the Pentagon, landing at the nearby airport.  A cruise missile was fire from the Army & Navy country club, which was located just 1.25 miles away.  I do believe every single one of your witnesses that you quoted saw a plane on that day.  You have yet to find me a single witness that actually saw the plane CRASH INTO the Pentagon.  You only have people that saw a plane, nothing more.

Flight 77 took a Northern approach, flying directly over the Navy Annex building and North of the Citgo Gas station, as described by over a dozen people in this video.  If this is the case, it is physically impossible for this plane to cause the damage depicted in numerous photographs and video from 9/11/2001, to both the Pentagon and light poles.

How can this be possible?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by swahili:

ok so no one on the conspiracy side has an answer as to where the plane went, surely to god you must have pondered that for a second or two but I do understand your dilemma there is no reasonable answer ...oh wait heres one ...they wiped out the whole plane ....wonder how they did that -- every plane was instructed to land immediately

but somehow that one just disappeared ?




Don't forget that all the Air Traffic Controllers must have been involved as well. You know, those guys who monitor air traffic and confirmed that AA77 went down at the Pentagon on their radars.

How do the conspiracy theorists explain that away?


 
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So when the government releases that photo, what happens next? Oh that's right, conspiracy theorists won't trust it and will say it's photoshopped because it's from the government.

Don't lie, you KNOW that's what would happen.

Same thing if they released the video.

There is no single piece of evidence that would ever satisfy the conspiracy theorists.

You're 100% wrong and naive if you think that's true.  If I see a photograph of Flight 77 flying into the Pentagon, I will admit I was wrong and apologize to those necessary.  I'm sure all others that share my views would do the same.
 
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"Did you watch the video I posted?  It gives eye witness testimony from 3 different people that actually saw a "silver plane" fly OVER the Pentagon just after the explosion, and towards the airport which was very close to the Pentagon"

OK smdio let's say that happened. The plane landed. Now what? Is this where the government agents come in and kill everyone and dispose of their bodies without anyone finding out? Or is this where they re-settle everyone with new identities (regardless of if these innocent people would ever accede to such a demand)
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smdio:


You're 100% wrong and naive if you think that's true.  If I see a photograph of Flight 77 flying into the Pentagon, I will admit I was wrong and apologize to those necessary.  I'm sure all others that share my views would do the same.


Why would that be any different than the photos that clearly show parts of an AA airplane on the ground near the Pentagon?

I mean if that was photoshopped, then any piece of evidence that comes from the gov't is untrustworthy to the conspiracy theorists.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by smdio:


You're 100% wrong and naive if you think that's true.  If I see a photograph of Flight 77 flying into the Pentagon, I will admit I was wrong and apologize to those necessary.  I'm sure all others that share my views would do the same.

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Why would that be any different than the photos that clearly show parts of an AA airplane on the ground near the Pentagon?

I mean if that was photoshopped, then any piece of evidence that comes from the gov't is untrustworthy to the conspiracy theorists.



Any photo that I've ever seen have NEVER been linked to Flight 77.  All you have is a piece of metal (or two) that show an AA logo.  Nothing more.  

Are you really saying that you believe Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon based on the photo evidence you've seen and the word of our Government Kaponofor?
 
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You guys are kidding yourselves if you think that if the gov't released a video and/or photographs of a plane hitting the Pentagon that you'd be satisfied.

You'd try to poke holes in that -- just like you have done with every single other piece of evidence that doesn't support your wild conspiracy theory:

"It's Photoshopped!"

"It's from the government, it's not trustworthy!"

"The angle of the plane is incorrect according to my GED in Mechanical Engineering"

"The color palette is wrong on the AA wing"
 
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:



Why would that be any different than the photos that clearly show parts of an AA airplane on the ground near the Pentagon?

I mean if that was photoshopped, then any piece of evidence that comes from the gov't is untrustworthy to the conspiracy theorists.


You are correct in your first sentence.  There are pictures of what looks like parts of an AA airplane.  However, the wheels do not match that of the plane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon.  I really don't feel like digging up all the evidence to back up my next statement, but I trust everyone on here is more than capable of pulling it up yoursleves if you indeed care enough.

A drone plane hit the Pentagon, followed by a missle.  They painted this drone in AA logos and colors.  There is clear record of a drone plane gone missing from the Gov't inventory shortly before 9/11.  It has still yet to be accounted for.  Except the wheels in the photos match that of the missing drone plane. 

Have fun researching if you dare

 
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Quote Originally Posted by smdio:


Any photo that I've ever seen have NEVER been linked to Flight 77.  All you have is a piece of metal (or two) that show an AA logo.  Nothing more.  

Are you really saying that you believe Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon based on the photo evidence you've seen and the word of our Government Kaponofor?


I believe that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon based on many things, including the vast majority of eyewitness reports, common sense, Occam's Razor (look it up), and photographic evidence.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

"Did you watch the video I posted?  It gives eye witness testimony from 3 different people that actually saw a "silver plane" fly OVER the Pentagon just after the explosion, and towards the airport which was very close to the Pentagon"

OK smdio let's say that happened. The plane landed. Now what? Is this where the government agents come in and kill everyone and dispose of their bodies without anyone finding out? Or is this where they re-settle everyone with new identities (regardless of if these innocent people would ever accede to such a demand)

I really don't know, but I would love to!  That's why I'm asking these questions on such a public forum. 

If I were to make assumptions, I would imagine that it's something similar to witness protection.  Keep in mind that there were only 66 people on Flight 77, and 32 of these 66 people were either "Government employees" or "American Airlines employees"

I just can't believe people settle for such broad explanations such as those we were given regarding 9/11/2001.  No photo.  No video.  Classified and sealed "executive office only" DNA and wreckage reports.  Witnesses saying they say a plane fly over the Pentagon.  Witnesses contradicting the absolutely uncontradictable flight path of Flight 77.  

Guys, what the hell is wrong with you?
 
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"A drone plane hit the Pentagon, followed by a missle.  They painted this drone in AA logos and colors.  There is clear record of a drone plane gone missing from the Gov't inventory shortly before 9/11.  It has still yet to be accounted for.  Except the wheels in the photos match that of the missing drone plane. "

THIS is a new one, haven't heard this yet. Can you point me to where the government keeps public records of drone planes? Or where it would show that there was "one missing"?  And what the wheels look like on that drone?

Why the need for the missile on top of the drone plane?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

You guys are kidding yourselves if you think that if the gov't released a video and/or photographs of a plane hitting the Pentagon that you'd be satisfied.

You'd try to poke holes in that -- just like you have done with every single other piece of evidence that doesn't support your wild conspiracy theory:

"It's Photoshopped!"

"It's from the government, it's not trustworthy!"

"The angle of the plane is incorrect according to my GED in Mechanical Engineering"

"The color palette is wrong on the AA wing"

Actually Kapono, simple science and phsyics dissprove the 4 photographs the Pentagon released of the plane, (I mean missle) hitting the Pentagon.  The photographs show a clear contrail behind the plane hitting the Pentagon.  Well, guess what? It is impossible to have a plane generate a contrail at ground level.  What most people do not realize, this is the smoking gun

 
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:



I believe that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon based on many things, including the vast majority of eyewitness reports, common sense, Occam's Razor (look it up), and photographic evidence.

You don't have a single eye witness that saw Flight 77 hit the Pentagon Kaponofor

You are not using common sense, you are believing what other people tell you and not making your own decisions

You have minimal photographic evidence and even the photos you do have have never been linked to be from Flight 77
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Flash_Man:

Actually Kapono, simple science and phsyics dissprove the 4 photographs the Pentagon released of the plane, (I mean missle) hitting the Pentagon.  The photographs show a clear contrail behind the plane hitting the Pentagon.  Well, guess what? It is impossible to have a plane generate a contrail at ground level.  What most people do not realize, this is the smoking gun


Bingo.  But Flash, they don't want to talk about that kind of stuff.  They're comfortable believing the official story because if the government were capable of this kind of thing, it would change they way they look at life and the world we live in

I guess we'll just have to leave them be...
 
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"If I were to make assumptions, I would imagine that it's something similar to witness protection.  Keep in mind that there were only 66 people on Flight 77, and 32 of these 66 people were either "Government employees" or "American Airlines employees""

Where are you getting this information from?

And don't you think that at least one of those 66 people would have blown their cover by now, more than 9 years after the fact?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Flash_Man:

Actually Kapono, simple science and phsyics dissprove the 4 photographs the Pentagon released of the plane, (I mean missle) hitting the Pentagon.  The photographs show a clear contrail behind the plane hitting the Pentagon.  Well, guess what? It is impossible to have a plane generate a contrail at ground level.  What most people do not realize, this is the smoking gun




(1) Simple science and physics? Oh please explain, this should be fun.

(2) I thought the gov't has never released photos of anything hitting the Pentagon -- now they've released 4 of them?

(3) Where are you getting that its impossible for a plane to have that type of contrail near the ground?
 
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Posted: #943
Kaponofor, I have just a single question for you:

Did I prove to you that Flight 77 took a Northern Approach to the Pentagon (meaning it flew on the North side of the Citgo gas station and directly over the Navy Annex building)?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

"If I were to make assumptions, I would imagine that it's something similar to witness protection.  Keep in mind that there were only 66 people on Flight 77, and 32 of these 66 people were either "Government employees" or "American Airlines employees""

Where are you getting this information from?

And don't you think that at least one of those 66 people would have blown their cover by now, more than 9 years after the fact?

64 people, my bad.

And no, I do not believe our government would allow any of the passengers to break their cover without stopping them before it happened.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

"A drone plane hit the Pentagon, followed by a missle.  They painted this drone in AA logos and colors.  There is clear record of a drone plane gone missing from the Gov't inventory shortly before 9/11.  It has still yet to be accounted for.  Except the wheels in the photos match that of the missing drone plane. "

THIS is a new one, haven't heard this yet. Can you point me to where the government keeps public records of drone planes? Or where it would show that there was "one missing"?  And what the wheels look like on that drone?

Why the need for the missile on top of the drone plane?

I agree it sounds like a stretch until you start researching.  A group of us researched this in 2003.  The info is out there but it has been 7 years since I have researched this particular event. Its public record, you just have to dig.  An easier comparison would be to compare the wheels of an AA plane and compare it with the wheels in the photo.  They're different. 

Good luck on your search. I only want to inspire people to do their own research.  Only then will they understand the events of that day.  Do not take mine or anyone elses word for it.  Look at the facts, timeline, and physics behind the events.  Then form your own conclusion.

 
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Posted: #946

Smdio ---where in the world are they keeping all these people ?

are you reading what youre posting?

 
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How does everyone who says 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon explain this?


"What some experts have called "the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history" ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.

A multidisciplinary team of more than 50 forensic specialists, scientists and support personnel from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology played a major role in Operation Nobel Eagle investigations, officials said. AFIP is an executive agency of the Army surgeon general.

Many of the Pentagon casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said. Of the 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were passengers on American Airlines Flight 77. Only one of those who died made it to the hospital; the rest were killed on site. For some victims, only pieces of tissue could be found."

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"DNA identifications for Flight 93 victims were sent to the Somerset County Coroner's Office for release. The Department of Defense released identification of Pentagon victims. All but four who worked in the Pentagon were identified. AFIP identified all but one of the passengers of Flight 77."
 
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Posted: #948

Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:




(1) Simple science and physics? Oh please explain, this should be fun.

(2) I thought the gov't has never released photos of anything hitting the Pentagon -- now they've released 4 of them?

(3) Where are you getting that its impossible for a plane to have that type of contrail near the ground?

Really? Are you this freaking clueless?  They've been available for years.  Also, for a long time after 9-11 the Pentagon said they did not have any video or photos of the plane hitting then Pentagon.  Only after the cries from the public reaching a fever pitch, did they release the photos and video.  PROOF right there the Gov't lied to you.  They clearly had photos and video when they def said they didn't.

Do some god damned research for Christ sake

Below is a link on the first page of Google when searching for this.  You can find these 4 photographs (frames) and video from MANY sources.  You be the judge.

https://killtown.911review.org/flight77/video.html

 

 
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Here is a better link,

https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5658198482624505213&q=9/11+crash#

 

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

How does everyone who says 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon explain this?


"What some experts have called "the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history" ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.

A multidisciplinary team of more than 50 forensic specialists, scientists and support personnel from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology played a major role in Operation Nobel Eagle investigations, officials said. AFIP is an executive agency of the Army surgeon general.

Many of the Pentagon casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said. Of the 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were passengers on American Airlines Flight 77. Only one of those who died made it to the hospital; the rest were killed on site. For some victims, only pieces of tissue could be found."

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"DNA identifications for Flight 93 victims were sent to the Somerset County Coroner's Office for release. The Department of Defense released identification of Pentagon victims. All but four who worked in the Pentagon were identified. AFIP identified all but one of the passengers of Flight 77."

kaponofor

I just read that entire page you linked us to, and all it says was that the remains were identified by our government and/or a branch of the government that was devoted to DNA identification of badly disfigured human remains.

Why, though, are the files sealed and classified at the highest CIA clearance available?  Yes, of course they say the remains have been identified.  But why wont they SHOW US their research?  They only claim to have identified all of them.  Did you know even the victims families were not allowed to see the DNA matches?  Only the government has.  
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