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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 6:29 PM ET #951

    Here is a little more insight into the drone theory.  This should provide you a starting point.

    https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5658198482624505213&q=9/11+crash#docid=7873472608486322785

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    Here is a little more insight into the drone theory.  This should provide you a starting point.

    https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5658198482624505213&q=9/11+crash#docid=7873472608486322785

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 6:31 PM ET #952

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:


    kaponofor

    I just read that entire page you linked us to, and all it says was that the remains were identified by our government and/or a branch of the government that was devoted to DNA identification of badly disfigured human remains.

    Why, though, are the files sealed and classified at the highest CIA clearance available?  Yes, of course they say the remains have been identified.  But why wont they SHOW US their research?  They only claim to have identified all of them.  Did you know even the victims families were not allowed to see the DNA matches?  Only the government has.  

    But our Gov't never lies to us

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:


    kaponofor

    I just read that entire page you linked us to, and all it says was that the remains were identified by our government and/or a branch of the government that was devoted to DNA identification of badly disfigured human remains.

    Why, though, are the files sealed and classified at the highest CIA clearance available?  Yes, of course they say the remains have been identified.  But why wont they SHOW US their research?  They only claim to have identified all of them.  Did you know even the victims families were not allowed to see the DNA matches?  Only the government has.  

    But our Gov't never lies to us

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 6:35 PM ET #953

    I haven't read into the drone theory Flash.  All I'm really concerned with is the fact that Flight 77 did not and could not have hit the Pentagon. 

    I've proven that in this thread.  Was it a cruise missile instead?  Possibly and more than likely.  Was a drone involved?  Possibly as well.

    All I know for sure is the it was NOT Flight 77.

    Kaponofor -  you still haven't answered my 1 question.  Do you now believe that Flight 77 took a Northern Approach to the Pentagon?  (meaning it flew North of the Citgo gas station and directly over the Navy Annex building)
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    I haven't read into the drone theory Flash.  All I'm really concerned with is the fact that Flight 77 did not and could not have hit the Pentagon. 

    I've proven that in this thread.  Was it a cruise missile instead?  Possibly and more than likely.  Was a drone involved?  Possibly as well.

    All I know for sure is the it was NOT Flight 77.

    Kaponofor -  you still haven't answered my 1 question.  Do you now believe that Flight 77 took a Northern Approach to the Pentagon?  (meaning it flew North of the Citgo gas station and directly over the Navy Annex building)
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 6:38 PM ET #954

    A successful DNA match looks
    For the remains of the Flight 77 victims to have been correctly identified, there would be roughly 130 of these "charts" available for victims families and other such related persons to view upon request.

    But they're not.  As a matter of fact, there's only 1 person who can currently view these charts:  President Barack Obama.
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    A successful DNA match looks
    For the remains of the Flight 77 victims to have been correctly identified, there would be roughly 130 of these "charts" available for victims families and other such related persons to view upon request.

    But they're not.  As a matter of fact, there's only 1 person who can currently view these charts:  President Barack Obama.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 6:38 PM ET #955

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I haven't read into the drone theory Flash.  All I'm really concerned with is the fact that Flight 77 did not and could not have hit the Pentagon. 

    I've proven that in this thread.  Was it a cruise missile instead?  Possibly and more than likely.  Was a drone involved?  Possibly as well.

    All I know for sure is the it was NOT Flight 77.

    Kaponofor -  you still haven't answered my 1 question.  Do you now believe that Flight 77 took a Northern Approach to the Pentagon?  (meaning it flew North of the Citgo gas station and directly over the Navy Annex building)

    Yep, it is impossible.  Confirmed by many, many,commercial airline pilots saying so.  The flight path is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I haven't read into the drone theory Flash.  All I'm really concerned with is the fact that Flight 77 did not and could not have hit the Pentagon. 

    I've proven that in this thread.  Was it a cruise missile instead?  Possibly and more than likely.  Was a drone involved?  Possibly as well.

    All I know for sure is the it was NOT Flight 77.

    Kaponofor -  you still haven't answered my 1 question.  Do you now believe that Flight 77 took a Northern Approach to the Pentagon?  (meaning it flew North of the Citgo gas station and directly over the Navy Annex building)

    Yep, it is impossible.  Confirmed by many, many,commercial airline pilots saying so.  The flight path is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 6:40 PM ET #956

    Last post got messed up, it should have read:

    A successful DNA match

    These charts should have been made available to the victims families and other related persons.  But they're not.  As a matter of fact, there's only 1 person who can currently view these charts:  President Barack Obama.
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    Last post got messed up, it should have read:

    A successful DNA match

    These charts should have been made available to the victims families and other related persons.  But they're not.  As a matter of fact, there's only 1 person who can currently view these charts:  President Barack Obama.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 6:44 PM ET #957

    I don't know why covers sucks when it comes to posting things sometimes.  

    This link shows what a successful DNA match looks like. According to our government, there should have been roughly 130 of these charts available after the remains were positively identified.  These charts should have been made available to the families, upon request, and other such related persons.

    Instead, they remain sealed in classified documents available only to 1 person, President Barack Obama (and previously George W Bush).


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    I don't know why covers sucks when it comes to posting things sometimes.  

    This link shows what a successful DNA match looks like. According to our government, there should have been roughly 130 of these charts available after the remains were positively identified.  These charts should have been made available to the families, upon request, and other such related persons.

    Instead, they remain sealed in classified documents available only to 1 person, President Barack Obama (and previously George W Bush).


     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 6:46 PM ET #958

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

     

    Kaponofor -  you still haven't answered my 1 question.  Do you now believe that Flight 77 took a Northern Approach to the Pentagon?  (meaning it flew North of the Citgo gas station and directly over the Navy Annex building)
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

     

    Kaponofor -  you still haven't answered my 1 question.  Do you now believe that Flight 77 took a Northern Approach to the Pentagon?  (meaning it flew North of the Citgo gas station and directly over the Navy Annex building)
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 7:36 PM ET #959

    This is getting back to the WTC, but I'd like to hear some opinions on this video
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    This is getting back to the WTC, but I'd like to hear some opinions on this video
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 7:50 PM ET #960

    from that distance that "Dot" would have to be 5-10ft to be visable?

     

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    from that distance that "Dot" would have to be 5-10ft to be visable?

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    from that distance that "Dot" would have to be 5-10ft to be visable?

     


    Actually, Infa-red light is not visible to the human eye.  This camera was equipt with a lens that can track such light.  This is the only camera that caught the light due to the lens it had attached.

    The size of the light on the building doesn't matter much.  It was there only to guide Flight 11 into the WTC

    Looking for opinions on this theory, and also waiting for Kaponofor to answer my question
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    from that distance that "Dot" would have to be 5-10ft to be visable?

     


    Actually, Infa-red light is not visible to the human eye.  This camera was equipt with a lens that can track such light.  This is the only camera that caught the light due to the lens it had attached.

    The size of the light on the building doesn't matter much.  It was there only to guide Flight 11 into the WTC

    Looking for opinions on this theory, and also waiting for Kaponofor to answer my question
     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2010 - 8:32 PM ET #962

    with this being the only camera how do we not know that this isn't a classic youtube photoshop job, theres alien videos on the same page

    and waiting for an answer from someone that has done zero research looking into it will not go far

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    with this being the only camera how do we not know that this isn't a classic youtube photoshop job, theres alien videos on the same page

    and waiting for an answer from someone that has done zero research looking into it will not go far

     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2010 - 12:10 PM ET #963


    Still waiting for Kaponofor to 1.) watch the video I posted and 2.)  Let me know if he thinks Flight 77 took a Northern approach based on the eye witness accounts of that day
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    Still waiting for Kaponofor to 1.) watch the video I posted and 2.)  Let me know if he thinks Flight 77 took a Northern approach based on the eye witness accounts of that day
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2010 - 1:14 PM ET #964

    Smdio,

    Although I believe you have constructed a very convincing argument in this thread (in addition to a spending a great deal of time and energy for a credible 9/11 conspiracy possibility ), I was never sure about Flight 77 being a missle. I am also not averse to examining evidence contrary to my opinion to allow for the possibility of an alternative stance on a matter. 

    This is pretty compelling evidence Flight 77 was in fact a plane.

    How can one explain away the fallen lamp posts? 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&feature=related
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    Smdio,

    Although I believe you have constructed a very convincing argument in this thread (in addition to a spending a great deal of time and energy for a credible 9/11 conspiracy possibility ), I was never sure about Flight 77 being a missle. I am also not averse to examining evidence contrary to my opinion to allow for the possibility of an alternative stance on a matter. 

    This is pretty compelling evidence Flight 77 was in fact a plane.

    How can one explain away the fallen lamp posts? 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&feature=related
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2010 - 1:47 PM ET #965

    Scalabrine....That computer video is comical....Do you really think it is possible for even the best pilot in the world to fly a huge plane like that 2 feet off the ground for that amount of distance?.....let alone a guy who could barely fly a 2 seater?  Impossible.

    And NO....I can't explain the lamp poles.

    Why not just release a video of the plane near the Pentagon?  Maybe like the one they snatched from the hotel across the street within minutes.....They don't have to show impact.

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    Scalabrine....That computer video is comical....Do you really think it is possible for even the best pilot in the world to fly a huge plane like that 2 feet off the ground for that amount of distance?.....let alone a guy who could barely fly a 2 seater?  Impossible.

    And NO....I can't explain the lamp poles.

    Why not just release a video of the plane near the Pentagon?  Maybe like the one they snatched from the hotel across the street within minutes.....They don't have to show impact.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:

    Scalabrine....That computer video is comical....Do you really think it is possible for even the best pilot in the world to fly a huge plane like that 2 feet off the ground for that amount of distance AT THAT SPEED?.....let alone a guy who could barely fly a 2 seater?  Impossible.

    And NO....I can't explain the lamp poles.

    Why not just release a video of the plane near the Pentagon?  Maybe like the one they snatched from the hotel across the street within minutes.....They don't have to show impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:

    Scalabrine....That computer video is comical....Do you really think it is possible for even the best pilot in the world to fly a huge plane like that 2 feet off the ground for that amount of distance AT THAT SPEED?.....let alone a guy who could barely fly a 2 seater?  Impossible.

    And NO....I can't explain the lamp poles.

    Why not just release a video of the plane near the Pentagon?  Maybe like the one they snatched from the hotel across the street within minutes.....They don't have to show impact.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Smdio,

    Although I believe you have constructed a very convincing argument in this thread (in addition to a spending a great deal of time and energy for a credible 9/11 conspiracy possibility ), I was never sure about Flight 77 being a missle. I am also not averse to examining evidence contrary to my opinion to allow for the possibility of an alternative stance on a matter. 

    This is pretty compelling evidence Flight 77 was in fact a plane.

    How can one explain away the fallen lamp posts? 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&feature=related

    scalabrine

    I expect this kind of concern.  I'd love to try and convince you that it was a missile, if you'll do me the curtesy of viewing this video.  I understand it's over an hour long, and I understand if you don't have time right now to view it.  But after you view it, please tell me your thoughts.  I also ask that you view it with an open mind.

    After viewing it, take a look at this cruise missile.  It is an Boeing ALCM cruise missile used primarily in the USAF.  Although the one in this picture is a smaller version, there are others of this variety that have a larger wing diameter, very much capable of downing the light poles on the southern approach to the Pentagon.

    Whatever hit the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 took a southern approach.  Dozens and dozens of people saw Flight 77 take a northern approach, and most of them testified to that in the video posted above. 

    If a northern approach was taken by Flight 77 (and by normal approach, we mean North of the Citgo Gas station, and directly over the Navy Annex building.  This will be more clear to you after viewing the video above), then it is physically impossible judging by the downed light poles and physical damage to the Pentagon that Flight 77 crashed into the building.

    There are also dozens of people who claimed they saw a large commercial plane (possibly Flight 77?) flying over and away from the Pentagon shortly after the explosion.  This is also in the video I posted.

    Are these people all lying?  Come on guys..

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Smdio,

    Although I believe you have constructed a very convincing argument in this thread (in addition to a spending a great deal of time and energy for a credible 9/11 conspiracy possibility ), I was never sure about Flight 77 being a missle. I am also not averse to examining evidence contrary to my opinion to allow for the possibility of an alternative stance on a matter. 

    This is pretty compelling evidence Flight 77 was in fact a plane.

    How can one explain away the fallen lamp posts? 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&feature=related

    scalabrine

    I expect this kind of concern.  I'd love to try and convince you that it was a missile, if you'll do me the curtesy of viewing this video.  I understand it's over an hour long, and I understand if you don't have time right now to view it.  But after you view it, please tell me your thoughts.  I also ask that you view it with an open mind.

    After viewing it, take a look at this cruise missile.  It is an Boeing ALCM cruise missile used primarily in the USAF.  Although the one in this picture is a smaller version, there are others of this variety that have a larger wing diameter, very much capable of downing the light poles on the southern approach to the Pentagon.

    Whatever hit the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 took a southern approach.  Dozens and dozens of people saw Flight 77 take a northern approach, and most of them testified to that in the video posted above. 

    If a northern approach was taken by Flight 77 (and by normal approach, we mean North of the Citgo Gas station, and directly over the Navy Annex building.  This will be more clear to you after viewing the video above), then it is physically impossible judging by the downed light poles and physical damage to the Pentagon that Flight 77 crashed into the building.

    There are also dozens of people who claimed they saw a large commercial plane (possibly Flight 77?) flying over and away from the Pentagon shortly after the explosion.  This is also in the video I posted.

    Are these people all lying?  Come on guys..

     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2010 - 2:31 PM ET #968

    Very impressive scalabrine!  That should end that part of the discussion a plane hit the pentagon (77). That was easy. Unless you want to explain the downed light poles.  Moving on.
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    Very impressive scalabrine!  That should end that part of the discussion a plane hit the pentagon (77). That was easy. Unless you want to explain the downed light poles.  Moving on.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2010 - 2:35 PM ET #969

    Quote Originally Posted by tillyo:

    Very impressive scalabrine!  That should end that part of the discussion a plane hit the pentagon (77). That was easy. Unless you want to explain the downed light poles.  Moving on.

    I've explained the downed light poles for the 9th time in post #970.  I will quote the previous post #'s as well which I explained the downed light poles, if you want me to.  Maybe you should start reading and contributing to the discussion instead of just tailing the thread and unsuccessfully attempting to bait people who are 10x+ smarter than you into a shouting match.  I've dealth with you kind for almost 10 years now and there's no way you can get under my skin.

    If you have something interesting to say pertaining to any event that occured on 9/11/2001, I'd be more than happy to engage in a debate with you.  You have thus far, in over 40 posts in this thread, said absolutely anything worthwhile that requires more than 60 seconds of my time, and hardly any of my thinking or debative skills. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by tillyo:

    Very impressive scalabrine!  That should end that part of the discussion a plane hit the pentagon (77). That was easy. Unless you want to explain the downed light poles.  Moving on.

    I've explained the downed light poles for the 9th time in post #970.  I will quote the previous post #'s as well which I explained the downed light poles, if you want me to.  Maybe you should start reading and contributing to the discussion instead of just tailing the thread and unsuccessfully attempting to bait people who are 10x+ smarter than you into a shouting match.  I've dealth with you kind for almost 10 years now and there's no way you can get under my skin.

    If you have something interesting to say pertaining to any event that occured on 9/11/2001, I'd be more than happy to engage in a debate with you.  You have thus far, in over 40 posts in this thread, said absolutely anything worthwhile that requires more than 60 seconds of my time, and hardly any of my thinking or debative skills. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tillyo:

    Very impressive scalabrine!  That should end that part of the discussion a plane hit the pentagon (77). That was easy. Unless you want to explain the downed light poles.  Moving on.

    YUP....A computer generated video proves everything....All that was missing was the Roadrunner and Wile Coyote.

    Your Government count on people like you....BEEP-BEEP

      42 Total posts...All in this thread...All meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tillyo:

    Very impressive scalabrine!  That should end that part of the discussion a plane hit the pentagon (77). That was easy. Unless you want to explain the downed light poles.  Moving on.

    YUP....A computer generated video proves everything....All that was missing was the Roadrunner and Wile Coyote.

    Your Government count on people like you....BEEP-BEEP

      42 Total posts...All in this thread...All meaningless.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2010 - 2:54 PM ET #971

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I've explained the downed light poles for the 9th time in post #970.  I will quote the previous post #'s as well which I explained the downed light poles, if you want me to.  Maybe you should start reading and contributing to the discussion instead of just tailing the thread and unsuccessfully attempting to bait people who are 10x+ smarter than you into a shouting match.  I've dealth with you kind for almost 10 years now and there's no way you can get under my skin.

    If you have something interesting to say pertaining to any event that occured on 9/11/2001, I'd be more than happy to engage in a debate with you.  You have thus far, in over 40 posts in this thread, said absolutely anything worthwhile that requires more than 60 seconds of my time, and hardly any of my thinking or debative skills. 

    So you are finally getting it smiddyo!!!!  Good for you. Its a shame you cant explain those light poles and kampo said if you were shown proof somebody would diss it and that did not take long. Maybe you are  just smarter than everybody else  congrats on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I've explained the downed light poles for the 9th time in post #970.  I will quote the previous post #'s as well which I explained the downed light poles, if you want me to.  Maybe you should start reading and contributing to the discussion instead of just tailing the thread and unsuccessfully attempting to bait people who are 10x+ smarter than you into a shouting match.  I've dealth with you kind for almost 10 years now and there's no way you can get under my skin.

    If you have something interesting to say pertaining to any event that occured on 9/11/2001, I'd be more than happy to engage in a debate with you.  You have thus far, in over 40 posts in this thread, said absolutely anything worthwhile that requires more than 60 seconds of my time, and hardly any of my thinking or debative skills. 

    So you are finally getting it smiddyo!!!!  Good for you. Its a shame you cant explain those light poles and kampo said if you were shown proof somebody would diss it and that did not take long. Maybe you are  just smarter than everybody else  congrats on that.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2010 - 3:04 PM ET #972

    So we all agree flight 77 hit the pentagon?  Good that was easy. Moving on.
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    So we all agree flight 77 hit the pentagon?  Good that was easy. Moving on.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2010 - 3:09 PM ET #973

    Any word yet on that TEAM of lawyers?  How many lawyers on that TEAM? Good one smiddyo.  No answer = lie. Little lie = big lie. Right smiddyo?  I thought so.
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    Any word yet on that TEAM of lawyers?  How many lawyers on that TEAM? Good one smiddyo.  No answer = lie. Little lie = big lie. Right smiddyo?  I thought so.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2010 - 3:23 PM ET #974

    Is this post still going on.  Doesn't everyone see that this guy smdio is a liar.  None of his so called evidence is even his.  He has put none his own time (unless you count watching a video called loose change and going to conspiracy theorist sites) and he has spent none of his own money (except on all the cheetos he eats while hes jerking off to the loose change video).  This guy is a liar like most conspiracy theorists and he only looks at evidence that supports his point of view and then tries to make up other shit.  Maybe we need to go ahead and get covers to pull this thread down.
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    Is this post still going on.  Doesn't everyone see that this guy smdio is a liar.  None of his so called evidence is even his.  He has put none his own time (unless you count watching a video called loose change and going to conspiracy theorist sites) and he has spent none of his own money (except on all the cheetos he eats while hes jerking off to the loose change video).  This guy is a liar like most conspiracy theorists and he only looks at evidence that supports his point of view and then tries to make up other shit.  Maybe we need to go ahead and get covers to pull this thread down.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2010 - 5:04 PM ET #975

    Where you been reilly?  You and hutch rule this thread and kampo has  also recently made some good contributions. This thread was dead many times but I have kept it going for my entertainment. It is fun to answer their questions and then they ask another one. I imagine they are trying with all their might to get somebody to change their mind when the opposite is happening. I am having fun and I hope you stay around to contribute a little more often.  BTW I am liking Utah  minus 4 tonight you?
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    Where you been reilly?  You and hutch rule this thread and kampo has  also recently made some good contributions. This thread was dead many times but I have kept it going for my entertainment. It is fun to answer their questions and then they ask another one. I imagine they are trying with all their might to get somebody to change their mind when the opposite is happening. I am having fun and I hope you stay around to contribute a little more often.  BTW I am liking Utah  minus 4 tonight you?
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