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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2010 - 3:29 PM ET #176

    For people who say they do not believe in God, they simply have not gone looking for him.......i pray they do......

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    Simply not true.  When I was a small kid (in grade school), I was asked to go along to church with my next door neighbor.  I went to Sunday school....Bible school....the whole 9 yards.  I still remember when we were all sitting around and they told us about asking God into our heart (and had us do it).  I've never felt so out of place in my life.  I felt uncomfortable.  I said to myself, "why are we asking this invisible thing into our hearts."

    I went to church quite a bit growing up with a lot of different friends (my parents weren't religious).  All it did was cause me anxiety.  It's like I was betraying how I felt......not being true to myself.  I even asked God hundreds of times why it was so hard for me to do this....and why I was so uncomfortable in church.  I have never received any sort of answer.

    Your answer is just a statement of your belief....nothing more.  That's like saying telling the person who doesn't have a passion for painting that it would be there if they really looked for it. 

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    For people who say they do not believe in God, they simply have not gone looking for him.......i pray they do......

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    Simply not true.  When I was a small kid (in grade school), I was asked to go along to church with my next door neighbor.  I went to Sunday school....Bible school....the whole 9 yards.  I still remember when we were all sitting around and they told us about asking God into our heart (and had us do it).  I've never felt so out of place in my life.  I felt uncomfortable.  I said to myself, "why are we asking this invisible thing into our hearts."

    I went to church quite a bit growing up with a lot of different friends (my parents weren't religious).  All it did was cause me anxiety.  It's like I was betraying how I felt......not being true to myself.  I even asked God hundreds of times why it was so hard for me to do this....and why I was so uncomfortable in church.  I have never received any sort of answer.

    Your answer is just a statement of your belief....nothing more.  That's like saying telling the person who doesn't have a passion for painting that it would be there if they really looked for it. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2010 - 5:08 PM ET #177

    Without organized religion we would all get along.
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2010 - 10:36 PM ET #178

    Dont know if this has been touched on in the prior 8 pages that i briefly glanced at, but....

    I have my own reasons for beleiving and/or not believing, and im not gonna hammer anyone else for their belief, but can someone answer me one question and I will leav it alone....

     

    If jehovah's witness's beleive that only 100,000 people or so get into heaven, then why are they still knocking door to door trying to get people to sign up to join them...

    Just asking....I'll leave it alone now

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    Dont know if this has been touched on in the prior 8 pages that i briefly glanced at, but....

    I have my own reasons for beleiving and/or not believing, and im not gonna hammer anyone else for their belief, but can someone answer me one question and I will leav it alone....

     

    If jehovah's witness's beleive that only 100,000 people or so get into heaven, then why are they still knocking door to door trying to get people to sign up to join them...

    Just asking....I'll leave it alone now

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 12:30 AM ET #179

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    I seriously think you need to chill.................

     

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    I seriously think you need to chill.................

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 7:29 AM ET #180

    mwhit dont bash others just because they believe in God. i believe in God so to put it bluntly, stfu bitch. something bad must have happened for you to despise so much the possibility of God existing.
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    mwhit dont bash others just because they believe in God. i believe in God so to put it bluntly, stfu bitch. something bad must have happened for you to despise so much the possibility of God existing.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 8:09 AM ET #181

    People talking about what is happening on this earth, woman getting raped then falling pregnant, people murdering each other, stealing, getting sick etc etc etc..........as justification for them not to believe in him......

    People that are thinking along those lines are COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT.......

    God never promised to save our BODIES from anything......God gave us a free will to do whatever we wanted......

    God never promised to save us from dying (physically),

    God did PROMISE to SAVE our SOULS.........and promised eternal life to those who believed in him...........

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    People talking about what is happening on this earth, woman getting raped then falling pregnant, people murdering each other, stealing, getting sick etc etc etc..........as justification for them not to believe in him......

    People that are thinking along those lines are COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT.......

    God never promised to save our BODIES from anything......God gave us a free will to do whatever we wanted......

    God never promised to save us from dying (physically),

    God did PROMISE to SAVE our SOULS.........and promised eternal life to those who believed in him...........

    Peace

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 8:26 AM ET #182

    It seems people on here are limited with there ambitions for this MORTAL life............

    Love your life, but this life is nothing....we are all tourists, we ALL come and go, doesnt matter how rich u are, how smart u are, how tall, short, good looking, bad looking etc etc etc.......we will all eventually go.....

    Jesus taught us through the bible rules and guidelines on how to live.he gave us a free will, we choose which path we go down.....

    If we ask for forgiveness (we are ALL SINNERS), Jesus promises eternal life......

    So u cannot go blaming GOD for MAN'S WICKED ways on this earth.........

     

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    It seems people on here are limited with there ambitions for this MORTAL life............

    Love your life, but this life is nothing....we are all tourists, we ALL come and go, doesnt matter how rich u are, how smart u are, how tall, short, good looking, bad looking etc etc etc.......we will all eventually go.....

    Jesus taught us through the bible rules and guidelines on how to live.he gave us a free will, we choose which path we go down.....

    If we ask for forgiveness (we are ALL SINNERS), Jesus promises eternal life......

    So u cannot go blaming GOD for MAN'S WICKED ways on this earth.........

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 9:12 AM ET #183

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    It seems people on here are limited with there ambitions for this MORTAL life............

    Love your life, but this life is nothing....we are all tourists, we ALL come and go, doesnt matter how rich u are, how smart u are, how tall, short, good looking, bad looking etc etc etc.......we will all eventually go.....

    Jesus taught us through the bible rules and guidelines on how to live.he gave us a free will, we choose which path we go down.....

    If we ask for forgiveness (we are ALL SINNERS), Jesus promises eternal life......

    So u cannot go blaming GOD for MAN'S WICKED ways on this earth.........

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    It seems people on here are limited with there ambitions for this MORTAL life............

    Love your life, but this life is nothing....we are all tourists, we ALL come and go, doesnt matter how rich u are, how smart u are, how tall, short, good looking, bad looking etc etc etc.......we will all eventually go.....

    Jesus taught us through the bible rules and guidelines on how to live.he gave us a free will, we choose which path we go down.....

    If we ask for forgiveness (we are ALL SINNERS), Jesus promises eternal life......

    So u cannot go blaming GOD for MAN'S WICKED ways on this earth.........

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 11:02 AM ET #184

    God did PROMISE to SAVE our SOULS.........and promised eternal life to those who believed in him...........

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    So the rapist who ends up believing in him the day before he dies goes to heaven and the rape victim who doesn't believe in him and lives the good life doesn't?

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    God did PROMISE to SAVE our SOULS.........and promised eternal life to those who believed in him...........

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    So the rapist who ends up believing in him the day before he dies goes to heaven and the rape victim who doesn't believe in him and lives the good life doesn't?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 11:36 AM ET #185

    The Bible = Best self-help book ever written

    Organized Religion = Organized Crime
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    The Bible = Best self-help book ever written

    Organized Religion = Organized Crime
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 11:57 AM ET #186

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    People talking about what is happening on this earth, woman getting raped then falling pregnant, people murdering each other, stealing, getting sick etc etc etc..........as justification for them not to believe in him......

    People that are thinking along those lines are COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT.......

    God never promised to save our BODIES from anything......God gave us a free will to do whatever we wanted......

    God never promised to save us from dying (physically),

    God did PROMISE to SAVE our SOULS.........and promised eternal life to those who believed in him...........

    Peace


    And we should believe in this god, why? No god said this, men who wrote the bible said this. 
    And why believe in this "god", and not the 100's of other gods? 
    You must be a lucky person to have chosen the "right" god, or just smarter than those that haven't. Good thing you weren't born in a Muslim country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    People talking about what is happening on this earth, woman getting raped then falling pregnant, people murdering each other, stealing, getting sick etc etc etc..........as justification for them not to believe in him......

    People that are thinking along those lines are COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT.......

    God never promised to save our BODIES from anything......God gave us a free will to do whatever we wanted......

    God never promised to save us from dying (physically),

    God did PROMISE to SAVE our SOULS.........and promised eternal life to those who believed in him...........

    Peace


    And we should believe in this god, why? No god said this, men who wrote the bible said this. 
    And why believe in this "god", and not the 100's of other gods? 
    You must be a lucky person to have chosen the "right" god, or just smarter than those that haven't. Good thing you weren't born in a Muslim country.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 12:08 PM ET #187

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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 12:50 PM ET #188

    The Bible is an invention of man - as is organized religion.

    There is no God that wrote the Bible.

    The Bible is a game of telephone played throughout history.


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    There is no God that wrote the Bible.

    The Bible is a game of telephone played throughout history.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 12:51 PM ET #189

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Your answer is just a statement of your belief....nothing more.  That's like saying telling the person who doesn't have a passion for painting that it would be there if they really looked for it. 



    Fantastic analogy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Your answer is just a statement of your belief....nothing more.  That's like saying telling the person who doesn't have a passion for painting that it would be there if they really looked for it. 



    Fantastic analogy.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 4:52 PM ET #190

    when will Hutch stop asking for divine answers from covers posters?
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by HutchEmAll]

    God did PROMISE to SAVE our SOULS.........and promised eternal life to those who believed in him...........

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    So the rapist who ends up believing in him the day before he dies goes to heaven and the rape victim who doesn't believe in him and lives the good life doesn't?

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    I do know if someone is GENUINE with there whole heart in asking for forgiveness, then GOD did promise to forgive......When Jesus was being NAILED to the cross, he asked his father to forgive the people that were nailing him to the cross.....

    Remember, it is easier for a camel to fit in the eye of a needle than for someone to enter heaven.....

    When u are talking about other people murdering, raping ete etc, i ask that u do not judge them as judgement day will come........they could still be a better person than u and i.......U DONT KNOW...........

    No matter what mistakes u and i make on this earth, there is still hope through forgiveness..........That is the essence of the bible and mankind - forgiveness as we are all sinners.......

     

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by HutchEmAll]

    God did PROMISE to SAVE our SOULS.........and promised eternal life to those who believed in him...........

    ____________

    So the rapist who ends up believing in him the day before he dies goes to heaven and the rape victim who doesn't believe in him and lives the good life doesn't?

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    I do know if someone is GENUINE with there whole heart in asking for forgiveness, then GOD did promise to forgive......When Jesus was being NAILED to the cross, he asked his father to forgive the people that were nailing him to the cross.....

    Remember, it is easier for a camel to fit in the eye of a needle than for someone to enter heaven.....

    When u are talking about other people murdering, raping ete etc, i ask that u do not judge them as judgement day will come........they could still be a better person than u and i.......U DONT KNOW...........

    No matter what mistakes u and i make on this earth, there is still hope through forgiveness..........That is the essence of the bible and mankind - forgiveness as we are all sinners.......

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    And we should believe in this god, why? No god said this, men who wrote the bible said this. 
    And why believe in this "god", and not the 100's of other gods? 
    You must be a lucky person to have chosen the "right" god, or just smarter than those that haven't. Good thing you weren't born in a Muslim country.

    Essentially Cathoics, Christians, Muslims and person believe in the SAME God........

    The differences being in other areas, ie, Muslims and person do not believe Jesus is the son of God.........but essentially, we all believe in the same GOD.........

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    And we should believe in this god, why? No god said this, men who wrote the bible said this. 
    And why believe in this "god", and not the 100's of other gods? 
    You must be a lucky person to have chosen the "right" god, or just smarter than those that haven't. Good thing you weren't born in a Muslim country.

    Essentially Cathoics, Christians, Muslims and person believe in the SAME God........

    The differences being in other areas, ie, Muslims and person do not believe Jesus is the son of God.........but essentially, we all believe in the same GOD.........

     
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    Fantastic analogy.


    Painting is NOT for everyone.........but God is for everyone......NAME ME 1 PERSON that has not had trouble in life or needs guidance, name me one.............There is NO SUCH THING as that.......therefore EVERYONE should seek God...

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    Fantastic analogy.


    Painting is NOT for everyone.........but God is for everyone......NAME ME 1 PERSON that has not had trouble in life or needs guidance, name me one.............There is NO SUCH THING as that.......therefore EVERYONE should seek God...

     
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    I do know if someone is GENUINE with there whole heart in asking for forgiveness, then GOD did promise to forgive......When Jesus was being NAILED to the cross, he asked his father to forgive the people that were nailing him to the cross.....

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    But did Jesus say, "Father, I want you to forgive the people who have murdered me, but only if they end up believing in you?"  That is not what you said. 

    Sounds to me like he wanted to forgive them no matter what.  He wanted God to forgive them when obviously they didn't believe in them.  How is that possible? 

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    I do know if someone is GENUINE with there whole heart in asking for forgiveness, then GOD did promise to forgive......When Jesus was being NAILED to the cross, he asked his father to forgive the people that were nailing him to the cross.....

    _______________

    But did Jesus say, "Father, I want you to forgive the people who have murdered me, but only if they end up believing in you?"  That is not what you said. 

    Sounds to me like he wanted to forgive them no matter what.  He wanted God to forgive them when obviously they didn't believe in them.  How is that possible? 

     
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    Again, people are to obssesed with this mortal world......many people think they are gonna live for 1 billion years........people dont think about death enough.......

    This mortal life is nothing, again, love your life, but we are here to learn and love....Some people get tested more than others, but God has a plan for each of us.........

    Put your treasures in heaven where they cannot be destroyed or stolen........strive to be a good person and ask jesus for help in achieving this..........

    Again, man has a free will, he can do what he wants, God never promised that he will stop men flying planes into buildings, rape, murder, sickness, but he did promise eternal life to those who live by his rules in the bible and to those who ask for forgiveness.....

    If people can see others murder, rape etc etc - all the BAD EVIL things, then that is a sure indication that the devil exists.......if there is bad, then surely there must be good? No?

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    Again, people are to obssesed with this mortal world......many people think they are gonna live for 1 billion years........people dont think about death enough.......

    This mortal life is nothing, again, love your life, but we are here to learn and love....Some people get tested more than others, but God has a plan for each of us.........

    Put your treasures in heaven where they cannot be destroyed or stolen........strive to be a good person and ask jesus for help in achieving this..........

    Again, man has a free will, he can do what he wants, God never promised that he will stop men flying planes into buildings, rape, murder, sickness, but he did promise eternal life to those who live by his rules in the bible and to those who ask for forgiveness.....

    If people can see others murder, rape etc etc - all the BAD EVIL things, then that is a sure indication that the devil exists.......if there is bad, then surely there must be good? No?

    Peace

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2010 - 5:23 PM ET #196

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    when will Hutch stop asking for divine answers from covers posters?

    As soon as you provide me with simple answers.

    And what is a "divine answer?"

     

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    when will Hutch stop asking for divine answers from covers posters?

    As soon as you provide me with simple answers.

    And what is a "divine answer?"

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Painting is NOT for everyone.........but God is for everyone......NAME ME 1 PERSON that has not had trouble in life or needs guidance, name me one.............There is NO SUCH THING as that.......therefore EVERYONE should seek God...



    Whoa....to assume that someone needs god for any of the above is crazy. You cant make assumptions.

    If people have trouble in life, maybe they need guidance/advice - I agree. But to assume they would seek it in something that not only doesnt exist, but doesnt answer back? Its the least efficient way to do get the job done. Its also the least logical.

    I am not going to give anyone shit for believing, but these arguments you guys are making are complete.....well, for lack of a better word, crap. Its all assumptions about other people and what they need and faith. Its not concrete. I would never go around telling others what they need. I am not holier than thou, enough, to think that I should be evangelizing my thoughts like such.


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    Painting is NOT for everyone.........but God is for everyone......NAME ME 1 PERSON that has not had trouble in life or needs guidance, name me one.............There is NO SUCH THING as that.......therefore EVERYONE should seek God...



    Whoa....to assume that someone needs god for any of the above is crazy. You cant make assumptions.

    If people have trouble in life, maybe they need guidance/advice - I agree. But to assume they would seek it in something that not only doesnt exist, but doesnt answer back? Its the least efficient way to do get the job done. Its also the least logical.

    I am not going to give anyone shit for believing, but these arguments you guys are making are complete.....well, for lack of a better word, crap. Its all assumptions about other people and what they need and faith. Its not concrete. I would never go around telling others what they need. I am not holier than thou, enough, to think that I should be evangelizing my thoughts like such.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Painting is NOT for everyone.........but God is for everyone....



    This is a hell of an assumption, my man.


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    Painting is NOT for everyone.........but God is for everyone....



    This is a hell of an assumption, my man.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    I do know if someone is GENUINE with there whole heart in asking for forgiveness, then GOD did promise to forgive......When Jesus was being NAILED to the cross, he asked his father to forgive the people that were nailing him to the cross.....

    _______________

    But did Jesus say, "Father, I want you to forgive the people who have murdered me, but only if they end up believing in you?"  That is not what you said. 

    Sounds to me like he wanted to forgive them no matter what.  He wanted God to forgive them when obviously they didn't believe in them.  How is that possible? 

    How do u know they didnt believe in GOD..........?

    remember, it was the person who put Jesus on the cross, the person and the catholics believe int he same GOD,.....The person didnt believe that Jesus was the son of GOD........

    Maybe the peoplewho put Jesus on the cross repented......

    My advice to u is, dont look at other people, u are not meant to judge as it is between individuals and there GOD...Dont judge.....u dont know.....

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    I do know if someone is GENUINE with there whole heart in asking for forgiveness, then GOD did promise to forgive......When Jesus was being NAILED to the cross, he asked his father to forgive the people that were nailing him to the cross.....

    _______________

    But did Jesus say, "Father, I want you to forgive the people who have murdered me, but only if they end up believing in you?"  That is not what you said. 

    Sounds to me like he wanted to forgive them no matter what.  He wanted God to forgive them when obviously they didn't believe in them.  How is that possible? 

    How do u know they didnt believe in GOD..........?

    remember, it was the person who put Jesus on the cross, the person and the catholics believe int he same GOD,.....The person didnt believe that Jesus was the son of GOD........

    Maybe the peoplewho put Jesus on the cross repented......

    My advice to u is, dont look at other people, u are not meant to judge as it is between individuals and there GOD...Dont judge.....u dont know.....

     
     
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    Rapist......raped 89 people.  Finds God the last day before he dies.  He goes to heaven.

    Girl has been sexually abused for 15 years.  Doesn't believe in God but finds her life calling and cures cancer. 

    Rapist goes to heaven.  Girl goes to hell.

    That makes sense.

    You say God makes the choice, but you also say you know on what parameters God makes the choice (or you wouldn't live your live a certain way). 

    There are two options:  1. You don't have any idea on what parameters God makes His choice but you think you do.  Or 2. God decides no matter what we think. 

    Name me another option. 

     

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    Rapist......raped 89 people.  Finds God the last day before he dies.  He goes to heaven.

    Girl has been sexually abused for 15 years.  Doesn't believe in God but finds her life calling and cures cancer. 

    Rapist goes to heaven.  Girl goes to hell.

    That makes sense.

    You say God makes the choice, but you also say you know on what parameters God makes the choice (or you wouldn't live your live a certain way). 

    There are two options:  1. You don't have any idea on what parameters God makes His choice but you think you do.  Or 2. God decides no matter what we think. 

    Name me another option. 

     

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