Religion??? WTF

i don't recall saying that i can prove that I'm in the correct religion  this thread was started by a guy that was so sure that my religion is wrong that if he could he would kill me or at least that's what he said

then people stating asking me to answer for god and predictably they didn't get divine answers from a guy on covers

science? my daughter is four months old, if i don't make sure she gets feed every couple hours, doesn't have a blanket over her head, doesn't fall, doesn't get a rash etc. she can die

look at a four month old chimp, much less fragile than a human at that age, if survival of the fittest is real why did humans actually get worst? according to the theory we would not have survived.

i do believe that things adapt over time, the flu is different every year.

to think a man in the sky is wacky but believing in a magical boom that goes against the laws energy isn't?

I'm on here saying what i believe nothing more

The irony of religion is that because of its power to divert man to destructive courses, the world could actually come to an end. The plain fact is, religion must die for mankind to live. The hour is getting very late to be able to indulge in having in key decisions made by religious people. By irrationalists, by those who would steer the ship of state not by a compass, but by the equivalent of reading the entrails of a chicken. George Bush prayed a lot about Iraq, but he didn't learn a lot about it. Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It's nothing to brag about. And those who preach faith, and enable and elevate it are intellectual slaveholders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction. Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it's wonderful when someone says, "I'm willing, Lord! I'll do whatever you want me to do!" Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions and limitations and agendas. And anyone who tells you they know, they just know what happens when you die, I promise you, you don't. How can I be so sure? Because I don't know, and you do not possess mental powers that I do not. The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the big questions is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble, and that's what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting shit dead wrong. This is why rational people, anti-religionists, must end their timidity and come out of the closet and assert themselves. And those who consider themselves only moderately religious really need to look in the mirror and realize that the solace and comfort that religion brings you actually comes at a terrible price. If you belonged to a political party or a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence, and sheer ignorance as religion is, you'd resign in protest. To do otherwise is to be an enabler, a mafia wife, for the true devils of extremism that draw their legitimacy from the billions of their fellow travelers. If the world does come to an end here, or wherever, or if it limps into the future, decimated by the effects of religion-inspired nuclear terrorism, let's remember what the real problem was that we learned how to precipitate mass death before we got past the neurological disorder of wishing for it. That's it. Grow up or die.

Thanks, Bill !

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Are all signs that you are a back office choir boy if you know what I mean

more talks about killing those for beliefs

it would have been really cool if everything happening today would have been prophesied from a long time ago

Enjoy....

"I do know one thing that is fact. The higher level of education a person has the less likely they are to believe in God."

This may be true but it's also a little misleading.

Education is a function of society. A society chooses to educate it's citizens in a way that will be most beneficial to itself.

Science and the Church split into two different schools a long time ago. Most societies have sided with the Scientific belief system over the faith based beliefs of the Church. That's why we teach Biology in public schools and not The New Testament.

I feel that most societies chose a Scientific approach to education for the one of the oldest reasons. Money.

I'm not sure that's the best reason...

I loosely translate, "The higher level of education a person has the less likely they are to believe in God."

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The more an individual is taught to follow the values of his society the less likely he is to follow other values.

If all I teach my son is baseball then he's more likely to play baseball. That doesn't necessarily mean that baseball is BETTER than football.

I'm all for science trying to find answers, if someone is sick i might pray for them, but I'm still going to tell them to see a doctor. with man not having all of the answers people believing in something greater than themselves shouldn't be a surprise, I've already explained how if natural selection was real we wouldn't be here, that leads me to think that man doesn't have all the answers, i see the world around me and how complex everything is and i don't think it just appeared from green goo from a unexplained reason

Let's say the drugs he sold to a kid were laced with something and the kid suffered brain damage and was unable to care for himself.  He lived for 20 more years suffering the whole time...putting a great financial and emotional strain on his family....to where his mom eventually committed suicide. 

I want to know how that is God's plan....and how this guy....who has repented....gets a free pass into heaven after the pain he put this kid and his family through.....and that God not only endorses this guy getting into heaven.....part of His plan was to allow this kid and his family to suffer for 20 years. 

Please explain to me how that is possible.  And if you think it is, how it makes any sort of sense to you.

it makes sense if you believe that you are saved by grace and not by actions, if you were to be saved by actions no one would get into heaven, we all sin. so what happens to the drunk driver that cripples a kid? he is dammed from his mistake for the rest of his life, if that's how everything works you might as well kill your self after sinning since you screwed up by that logic, whats the point of living out the rest of your days on earth then

This is  "The Problem Of Evil" in Religious Philosophy. Essentially, if I can paraphrase Hutch, If there is an all knowing, all powerful, all good deity then how can evil exist?

Evil certainly exists... where's God?

Without nailing down a specific religion, SOME religions would answer, "What appears to man as suffering is actually necessary for man to have free will." And further, without that free will man could not CHOOSE salvation.

It's a difficult view to support when put in a social context that involves the suffering of children.

In a biological context however, some animals eat other animals. The animals that get eaten are often the weakest ones. My daughter does not want to see the cute mouse being eaten by a mean old snake. Guess what?

The strong always prey on the weak.

Salvation lies in the strong who have seen the error of their ways. Those that have become powerful and choose to help others instead of using their power for their own gains.

I don't necessarily buy it... but...

Some religions don't "grade" sins. In most modern societies, "lying" isn't as bad as "stealing". If I lie about winning $1000 this weekend on football, it's wrong. What if I stole $1000 from someone else?

One probably goes unnoticed while the other puts me in jail.

But that is a "social" situation NOT a spiritual one.

In some religions, the liars, thieves, murderers, and child molesters only get tried for one crime. Sin.

You repent of Sin and you get a spiritual forgiveness.

Doesn't mean we should open up the prison gates...

it seems to me that the "you are saved by grace, not by actions" idea is a business model, not some criteria for getting into heaven.  the churches make their money with premiums paid by exiesting and new subscribers.  if their message was that everyone is fucked if they commit these sins, then the chuirches have nothing to offer and go out of business.  the churches have tio have a product or service to seel to the widest possible audience.  so, by saying everyone sins and everyone can be saved, they can market their business to everyone and everyone is a potential customer.  it's a solid business plan.  that's why it's been around for so long. 

You prove my point.  Your logic dictates you can do whatever you want.....kill....rape....steal.....as long as you believe in God in the end, you are good?

So when do you actually have to find God?  Is it 1 month before you die?  Or is it years?

Situation 1:  A person rapes a 7 year old girl....serves his time.....ends up figuring out life.....and goes to Haiti to help the people affected by the earthquake.  He goes on to get a doctorate and cures cancer.  But he doesn't believe in God.  He goes to hell? 

Situation 2:  A person rapes a 7 year old girl and kills her mother......goes to prison....engages in anal sex with 29 inmates.  He is sentenced to death by lethal injection (another thing I would think God would have a problem with......as we put to death innocent people every year).  He finds God....and really believes.....in his last month of life.  He goes to heaven?

And by the way, what ever happened to the girl who was sexually abused for years and years as part of God's plan?

So God gives you more credit for what you think rather then what you do?

I'd like to know why.

Religion is just mind control and people are just plain stupid.

People like to think they are special, there must be some meaning for their life.

What is God's plan here? I do not know...  I do not know what Gods plan is for everything and everyone only God know what is his plan.  Could be tons of scenerio's.  Maybe this drug dealer will lead many to the Lord and this kid would been a murderer or rapist...  I am not saying that is the answer, but you never will know Gods Plan.

You keep giving me different situations and bottom line is they are all the same.  Everyone will have a chance to accept or reject Jesus. 

I asked you before, what is your belief? how did we get here?

no god, shit happens and you deal with it theres no bigger plan, we evolved from monkeys, at what point did we get souls? no heaven, no hell, once you die yr gon, religion is ruining this planet there u have it end of discussion.

the whole idea that you have made up that all you have to do is "believe in god and your good" is not what I've said, you don't think Satan believes there is a god, you don't think Satan worshipers believe there is a god, I've never said that is what it takes to "be good"

Can't we all just have a beer and watch some football?

 

Stop beating a dead horse -- you stupid fucks that keep perpetuating this thread should go to the Gaza Strip and preach your beliefs.

Yes, biased.

Why? You call others sinners, you call them wicked, you call them a fool. You need to address an argument like this intelligently, not with faith - there is no evidence for faith.

There are different perceptions, but there is a way to get an argument across without name-calling. Those who do usually dont have a good argument.

Any conversation, just about, by definition is an argument. Dont get caught up on the definition of argument. Just come with something educated next time. It makes for better reading.

god is withing you...what people fail to realize is that when jesus was saying "myf father" or "our father" he was actually talking about your superconsious or basically the thoughts  that go on inside your head thus create the world you live in.....even athiests cry for god on their deathbed....thats a fact...but as far as the church goes.....fuck those crooked fucks...shit we could cure wolrd hunger with the money the vatican has