Religion??? WTF

It has become my belief that there are basically FIVE different kinds of people...

1) Those who are basically good people.

2) Those who are basically bad people.

3) Those who are somewhere in the middle, both good and bad at times (This is where I believe that the majority of human beings can be grouped into).

4) Those who project that they are good but are NOT.

5) Those who are percieved as bad but are NOT.

One of the most important things for everybody to learn in life is the difference between these five and the ability to determine which is which in our daily lives.

There is no such thing as a human being who is perfect all the time. We all make mistakes. One thing that all "good" people believe in is that humans are free to live life and make choices. This also applies to what you choose to believe in, whether you coose to believe in "God" or not is your own choice and you should be allowed to be free thinking to believe... or not.

At time in our lives, we will all make "good" and "bad" decisions pertaining to our own individual lives. Each of us will, at one point or another, do, say, or by omission/lack of involvement be involved in something that is NOT benificial to those who are around us, who also share life as we know it.

The entire relationship we have with our personal beliefs can be split into two areas.

The first area is how and what we believe in and how we live our own lives internaly, be it the mind and body(for those who discard the thought of a "God") or the soul(for those who accept a divine purpose for each individual). Of course those who choose not to believe in "God" are left with the belief in themselves and their individual abilities. Those who do believe in "God" do so with the promise that there is a greater power than themselves.

The second area is how and what we do and it's effects on our relationships and the lives of others.

So the first area, although just our individual beliefs, is important for us because without a solid foundation we would not have the ability to survive within ourselves. It also will determine much of how we conduct ourselves when it comes to the second area which is important because we ALL must live our lives interacting with others (unless you choose absolute isolationism and there are some rare cases of that).

By choosing NOT to believe in a "God" you are actually choosing to believe in something because even if it's just knowledge of life and life matters... you have a belief system.

By choosing to believe in "God" you are setting a foundation for living your life beyond that of what is normally percieved by humans during everyday living.

There is no difference between the two when it comes to believing in something. We all MUST believe in something. The difference is in WHAT do you believe.

I want to use an analogy here... In the TV show... "The Amazing Race"... ALL participants are given instructions pertaining to where, when and how they are to proceed. Now imagine that two participants arrive at the given location together and one followed the instructions and one did not. The one who did not will receive a penality (must wait time) which delays their official arrival. The other follows the instructions and is rewarded with an arrival time that places their finish according to how well they did in the race.

This is how those who believe in "God" attempt to live their lives... by a set of instruction that is based on their perceptions of "God". The non-believers are also permitted to compete in the race. There is nothing wrong with allowing a person to believe in what they choose to believe in. This is the first area of life.

If you choose to not believe in "God" yet project your internal belief system on others by condeming those who do, and blame those who do for all your problems, then you are taking the first area of your life and allowing it to affect your second area, which is life amongst others. After all... YOU choose to follow your own rules which you can conveniently change to benifit yourself depending on your situation. But for those with "God" they will attempt to follow the rules and no matter if they fail or succeed the rules still apply to them as they do to those who are not with "God". Remember, No One is perfect... We all fall short in the end.

If you are not with "God" and manage to life both areas of your life well enough have a "good" life and are happy, then good for you and I'm glad you're happy cause that's all you'll get.

I also have a problem with organized religion as it is being conducted therefore I simply conduct my relationship with "God" by living as best as I can according to the life and spiritual instructions that "God" has provided to me, be it by written word or the spirit... the soul that guides me. Am I "Good"...No. Am I "Bad"...No. I am both... and I know it, as does "God"... but I try to improve as best as I can and without delusions of myself or others. I try and live in the spirit... I am far from perfect but knowing that I have a connection to a caring spirit is comforting and helps me survive.

Good Luck and I'll see you all at the finish line... because we all get there someday.

Imagine 2 hypothetical settings....

A world where no one believed in God....Now, if we lived in that world.....and i could pinch your wallet with zero chance of me being caught and zero reprecussions, why shouldnt i steal your wallet? After all, it will only benefit me and there is no disadvantages and no punishment at all.......

Now look at the world we live in.....If i could steal your wallet with zero chance of being caught, why wouldnt i steal your wallet? Well cause i am a catholic, i believe that God sees everything and i will be judged according to my actions.....hence i will NOT steal from you...

I can only speak for myself on this action.....

U may say that other people who go to prison and steal believe in God so your argument doesnt stand.....But really, if u truely believe in God and are afraid of punsihment, then u would commit the theft.....Well thats me anyway......

 this thread just proves the notion that atheists love to argue their point and shove it down your throat.

You are one confused scared man, whether you believe in religion or not. You are way too passionate about something you so called don't care about.

i reported you in the help section as a tout  

If you are so bothered by people’s personal beliefs that you become enraged I can’t imagine you having anything close to resembling a happy life.  But hey, that’s your decision.

As long as someone isn’t using their personal beliefs as an excuse to hurt other people, I don’t give a fuck what they believe.

Oh, and the random “I fucked your daughter” statement you threw in at the end….

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wow, seems like a great guy doesn't he? i bet if we have a purpose in life and if we don't whats the point? but if we do, i feel the purpose would be to not act like this, you are clearly lost

It's not ideas....it's beliefs.   At least you should get that right.  And for those that don't believe in God, their answer is that they don't believe in God.  My answer is I don't know.  But either way, they are both answers.  Don't pretend that they aren't. 

A scenario I'd like some opinions on:

Person A:  Troubled kid in high school.  Convicted of stealing a car as a senior.  Never went to college.   Raped an underage girl when he was 22.....served 5 years hard time.  Was released and then convicted of selling drugs 2 years later.   Served 1 year.  Got out and then was convicted of murdering a person because he would not give him his wallet.  He is convicted and serves 25 years. 

While in prison, he finds God.  He emerges as a 55 year old converted man.  He loves God.  He has repented. 

Meanwhile, we have Person B: 

This person loves mankind.  He always felt that it was right to give to others.  He volunteers regularly spending time with the elderly at a nursing home.  He is a member of big brother/big sister.  He contributes $1,000 a year to the American Cancer Society.   He pays his bills on time and loves life.  He is walking down the street as a happy 29 year old when Person A comes up to him, demands his wallet, and shoots him when he doesn't give it to him.

By definition, Person A and Person B either have to go to heaven or hell.  There is no other option for those that believe in both.

Who goes where?  Does Person A get into heaven because he has repented?   Person B can obviously not get into heaven because he doesn't believe in God. 

According to the religious, Person A could get into heaven because he has repented (see your clostest clergy).  Person B has no chance. 

Who is more entitled?   I'd say Person B because they believed in living the right life.  But God apparently will banish the person to hell because that person didn't believe in Him?  C'mon people...how fuked up is that?

I usually don't attach myself to these treads because there is a new one every month.  We both have been on here long enough to witness that.

You ask for someone to prove you wrong, well you will die before that happens.  The only way to find the answer is for you to prove yourself wrong. 

No one can actually make a person believe anything.  You just have to be willing to accept that the bible is God's word.  Once you do and you accept Jesus Christ as your savior, a communication line to God is born.  He will hear you, he may not speak back, but he hears you.  However, you have to be true, you cannot fool God and PLEASE do not knock this until you try it.

Its clear to see you are a non-believer with all the negativity you brought into this tread.  I can tell you are not happy with your life and please do not respond back saying you are because you have everything you want.  If you was truly happy you would care less about what is going on around you and what will come.  True happiness is that feeling inside of you that it feels like your heart is getting bigger and bigger and will explode one day.  That is the Holy Spirit in you and you try to make everyone else's day around you a pleasent one.  Im not scared of what takes place on Earth because I am not affraid of death because I know a better place awaits me. 

I have had many blessings, non believers will say its luck, what is luck?  You cant see luck!  So if you believe in luck, then why cant you believe in God.  A blessing comes from God, are you telling me luck comes from a leprechaun.  I am sure you have had your share of blessings, isnt it time to thank God for them.  It looks like you were non-deserving but God has a forgiving heart, because GOD is LOVE. 

If God created the universe and man, he certainly can place his son (actually him in man-form with God ability) in a virgin womb.

I am not here to convince you or anyone else to change your way of thinking.  Now if I had special talents to show then I would.  I just ask you all to stop asking for someone to show proof its real. 

What would be the benefit if we actually had proof that God was real?  Satan knew it was real and he still was bad and convinced 1/3 of the angels to join him.  So if we knew it was real there still would be haters and they would just want to destroy the believers just like you do.  If someone had a bad day, and everyone has bad days, they might have a change a heart too and blame God.  I think all the believers would be wiped off the planet if there was actual proof.  It is a no win situation.

Therefore it is up to each individual to accept God or not.  I pray that you all do.  You have nothing to lose.  You can still live a happy, fun, exciting life as a believer.

Yes, there are corrupt religions and churches.  It does not start with church or religion, once again it starts with you creating a bond with God.  Only 2 things are guarantted in life, 1- you will die and 2- no one can take God away from you, if anything they can make you join him.

God bless you all, and once again please do knock God until you give your heart to him.  You will thank me later because once you truly give your heart to him, there is no going back to the dark side because you my friend have just found LOVE.  Amen!

PS- Believers are not perfect, we have bad days and some of us still sin too.

 
not so simple since those are obviously questions for God and not for someone on a gambling site with a lotus avatar

According to the book that we are(trying) debating.....

only he knows, no where in the bible does it say we will have the power to say who does and who does not get to enter the kingdom of god

Exactly Straightshooter

You think youre the 1st person to ask this??

Get over yourself mwhit82!

mwhit82: "It is such a moronic concept that I beg anyone w/ ballz to explain why they think a "god" exists..And why I'm wrong. And NO I won't accept "God told me so"!!!"

"I wont accept"

I have no obligation to you jagoff. You will accept whatever I say and like it. lol

usually you are pretty cool mwhit but this thread is lame. People have been bitching about Religion for a 1,000 years and you are going to get down to the bottom of this on Covers?!!

SMH

You think youre the 1st person to ask this mwhit82 ??

A couple of points.......

Did it ever occur to you that when GOD made us, he put something inside our brains so we can believe in him?

I find it quiet ironic that people who say they believe that aliens are out there yet have never seen them, yet the same people wont believe in GOD because they have never seen him............"happy to those who believe but have not seen".......

This is a mystery........the one thing for me that gives me my faith is the love humans have for one another.......Science is NOT love, but GOD is love........and that is echoed through our love for family and friends and the human society...........Love is real and visible....

You must not have alot of love in your life, i pray for you that you find love and you start to see the goodness of the Lord.....

The comments people make here is an indication of the devil....where there is good , there is bad.........

We are put on this earth for a reason, to love one another and love GOD.........and at the same time we are put through tests.......some more than others.......

Otherwise, the way u see things is, why are we here? to earn as much money as we can? to bang as many chicks as we can find? what are we here for........? we dont take anything with us, that is why u should put your treasures in heaven as opposed to this earth where it can be destroyed by moth or stolen by thieves.....

I dont have all the answers, far far far from it, that is why it is a mystery.......

U have this belief because u have not looked for Jesus....its as simple as that......

here is a small story, a barber was cutting a mans hair one day when the man who was getting his hair cut said, i dont believe in GOD, the Barber said, why not? The man said, well, look at all the sick kids, wars, people suffering etc etc etc........If there was a GOD, surely this would not be happening.........

The Barber said, ok, fair enough........

A month later, the same man walked in...The barber said to him, you know what, i dont believe that barbers exist........The man said, that is crazy, i am in a barbers shop.........

The barber then said, well, i was walking down the street this morning and i saw a man with really really long hair and he was un shaven, surely if there were barbers, he wouldnt have long hair.....

The man said, well he didnt go looking for a barber.......

The moral of the story.......go search for GOD......

Peace be with you...