Quote Posted by crr:

john you forget to add in parentheses

(except when your god tells you to)

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Any more bible verses you want me to correctly interpret for you mr. king of the skeptics...lol

SJD what is your god going to do with these soldiers?

Sorry cr, I just don't click on links...why don't you just spell it out yourself.

okay

The final version of God's Word is really found inside Sir John Drake's skull, he mentally rewrites the Bible, taking out the parts he does not like and inserting qualifiers to alter the text into something that conforms with his desires.

sjd you got 4 strikes:

1. i have read the whole kjv 1611 edition

2. your god is the author of evil, Isaiah 45:7

3. i never told you I was an atheist

4. your leader jesus says it is okay to kill in matthew 15:4

 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death

you are so out of here.....i am sure when they do an autopsy on you they will be amazed at the emptiness in your skull

Is this what new atheism is?

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain

sjd and rostos as the scarecrow and the cowardly lion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Mb45tJhzmcI

SJD and CD

Dont bother guys, people like Kitty, CCR and System are not interested in discussing the logical ontological reality of a deity, they are more interested in discouraging belief in this deity through mockery and vitriol...

Dont bother....

Rostos, couldnt agree more  its a useless arguement with these folks.

I have been saying all thru this thread, its up to each person to decide if they believe God exists or doesnt exist.

These guys keep saying over and over again how they got science to back them up. Am still waiting for them to explain what proof they have got, besides a scientist telling them God doesnt exist.  Whats funny is they dont realize no human or any science can provide the answer.  Science is all human based

It doesnt cost me one cent to believe God exists.  I would rather believe that a God exists and created all this, then be like those folks and believe we can from a rock

we can ask the non believers where did the stuff come from that created us and whatever answer they give us, we can then ask, where did that stuff come from and we can keep asking that very same question over and over again, which can go on forever.

All we can do is pray for the non believers

Faith is an unyielding gun barrel pointed at the temple. Typically, the previous generation points it at the next. Of course, I am some type of demon for saying such things. What else could I be if I don't have "faith." 

Please tell me I'm wrong. Anyone stumble upon Jesus on their own? Let me be more specific. Did anyone stumble upon Jesus on their own, without some traumatic life event to instigate?

Crickets.........................

There is your answer.

I am not saying there is no god. Like Bill Maher says, we don't know. That is what makes life beautiful, the uncertainty.

Life wouldn't be worth living if you knew there was a heaven or simply an after-life.

rostos explaining his ontological argument:

makes-sense-to-rostos

Study Concludes Intercessory Prayer Doesn’t Work; Christians Twist the Results

I was reading an article in Christianity Today and one of the paragraphs made me do a double-take. I couldn’t believe anyone was actually writing it… it was incredible how much fact-twisting was going on.

First, a bit of background.

It’s no surprise that prayer can have a positive effect on those who believe in it. If you pray, it can relax you and make you feel better. If you know others are praying for you — that others care about you — you feel better and your body might actually respond to that positivity. None of this has anything to do with a god answering (or even listening to) the prayers. It functions more like meditation. Prayer can have a calming, healing effect for those who buy into it.

But what happens when others pray for you and you are unaware of it? To no atheist’s surprise, this has never been shown to work.

This idea has been tested repeatedly — usually, the studies have flaws. And even when the results show that the intercessory prayer has no effect on anyone, those who believe in it will look at the hits and ignore (or rationalize) the misses.

Three years ago, a multi-million-dollar, controlled, double-blind study was conducted to test intercessory prayer.

The Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP) found two major results:

1) “Intercessory prayer had no effect on recovery from surgery without complications.”

2) “Patients who knew they were receiving intercessory prayer fared worse.”

Fared worse?! Even I was surprised by that. So were many Christians — this didn’t sit well with them.

This new article from Christianity Today, though, offers a rationalization I’ve never heard before. You can tell they’re really straining to find a silver lining…

Ironically, STEP actually supports the Christian worldview. Our prayers are nothing at all like magical incantations. Our God bears no resemblance to a vending machine. The real scandal of the study is not that the prayed-for group did worse, but that the not-prayed-for group received just as much, if not more, of God’s blessings. In other words, God seems to have granted favor without regard to either the quantity or even the quality of the prayers. By instinct, we might selfishly prefer that God give preferential treatment to those who are especially, deliberately, and correctly prayed for, but he seems to act otherwise.

True to his character, God appears inclined to heal and bless as many as possible.

So the fact that the prayers had no effect on the sick? Don’t think about that, say Gregory Fung and Christopher Fung, the authors of the article. Instead, they want you to consider that prayer works because the un-prayed-for people didn’t die a horrible death.

That’s one way of ignoring the evidence when it’s staring you in the face.