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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2011 - 6:47 AM ET #1826

    QUOTE Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I'm watching a special on the Science Channel. Apparently, the big bang actually did "come from nothing." The scientists said this is one of the hardest concepts to grasp, but once you do, you can begin to understand the creation of the universe. If they try to explain how something actually can come from nothing, I'll be sure to let everyone know. For now, I have no idea. But this renders the argument "something can't come from nothing" void because apparently, it can.

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    according to quantum physics virtual particles can pop into existence from nothingness through quantum tunneling. Some cosmologists have suggested that the entire universe could have emerged in this way as a giant quantum particle. However, quantum theory states that quantum systems possess dynamic properties such as position, momentum, and spin orientation only when these properties are measured by some device or observer. The physical measuring devices themselves can be given a quantum physical description. Therefore, for the universe, there is the problem that there is nothing beyond quantum physics to make the measurement that is a necessary condition of the reality of the properties of the universe. It might be argued that God is the observer. However, this is the implication that quantum cosmology attempts to avoid. It has been suggested that the collapse of the wave function associated with a quantum system might function as the observer. However, the measuring device itself, also lacks any intrinsic dynamic properties (such as precise location or velocity). So if the measuring device itself is indeterminate then it cannot collapse the wave function of the quantum system being measured. If one hypothesizes other devices that collapse the wave function, we are left with the problem of infinite regression. The second problem with quantum cosmology is that quantum mechanics states that quantum events occur according to finite probabilities within finite time intervals. The larger the time interval, the greater the probability that a quantum event will occur. Outside of time, no quantum event is possible. Since time originated at the moment of the creation of the universe, quantum tunneling could not be its "creator." In addition, quantum events are extremely short lived. As a quantum event, the existence of the universe is many orders of magnitude longer than any described quantum event. Therefore, cosmologists who propose such theories must appeal to unknown laws of physics to describe the reality of the universe.

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I'm watching a special on the Science Channel. Apparently, the big bang actually did "come from nothing." The scientists said this is one of the hardest concepts to grasp, but once you do, you can begin to understand the creation of the universe. If they try to explain how something actually can come from nothing, I'll be sure to let everyone know. For now, I have no idea. But this renders the argument "something can't come from nothing" void because apparently, it can.

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    according to quantum physics virtual particles can pop into existence from nothingness through quantum tunneling. Some cosmologists have suggested that the entire universe could have emerged in this way as a giant quantum particle. However, quantum theory states that quantum systems possess dynamic properties such as position, momentum, and spin orientation only when these properties are measured by some device or observer. The physical measuring devices themselves can be given a quantum physical description. Therefore, for the universe, there is the problem that there is nothing beyond quantum physics to make the measurement that is a necessary condition of the reality of the properties of the universe. It might be argued that God is the observer. However, this is the implication that quantum cosmology attempts to avoid. It has been suggested that the collapse of the wave function associated with a quantum system might function as the observer. However, the measuring device itself, also lacks any intrinsic dynamic properties (such as precise location or velocity). So if the measuring device itself is indeterminate then it cannot collapse the wave function of the quantum system being measured. If one hypothesizes other devices that collapse the wave function, we are left with the problem of infinite regression. The second problem with quantum cosmology is that quantum mechanics states that quantum events occur according to finite probabilities within finite time intervals. The larger the time interval, the greater the probability that a quantum event will occur. Outside of time, no quantum event is possible. Since time originated at the moment of the creation of the universe, quantum tunneling could not be its "creator." In addition, quantum events are extremely short lived. As a quantum event, the existence of the universe is many orders of magnitude longer than any described quantum event. Therefore, cosmologists who propose such theories must appeal to unknown laws of physics to describe the reality of the universe.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2011 - 7:04 AM ET #1827

    QUOTE Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

    So now maybe you can answer this question. If according to SJD man is created evil, wouldn't he be expected to do evil things????
     
    just say yes or no

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    Suppose that as a demonstration of your free will, you declare your freedom to raise your right arm and then you proceed to do it.

    Guess what? By looking at an electroencephalograph attached to your brain, a neurophysiologist can easily predict from the appearence of the P300 wave that you are going to raise your arm.

    What kind of freewill do you have if your decision can be predicted? Though, if you negated action as soon as you became aware of being able to freely raise your arm. The neurophyiologist would still predict from the P300 that you would raise your hand. Though, being able to resist your will and not raise raise your arms, it is demonstrating that you retain your freewill to say "no" to the conditioned action.

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

    So now maybe you can answer this question. If according to SJD man is created evil, wouldn't he be expected to do evil things????
     
    just say yes or no

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    Suppose that as a demonstration of your free will, you declare your freedom to raise your right arm and then you proceed to do it.

    Guess what? By looking at an electroencephalograph attached to your brain, a neurophysiologist can easily predict from the appearence of the P300 wave that you are going to raise your arm.

    What kind of freewill do you have if your decision can be predicted? Though, if you negated action as soon as you became aware of being able to freely raise your arm. The neurophyiologist would still predict from the P300 that you would raise your hand. Though, being able to resist your will and not raise raise your arms, it is demonstrating that you retain your freewill to say "no" to the conditioned action.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2011 - 7:15 AM ET #1828

    QUOTE Originally Posted by vanzack:

    1.  Your mom tells you to steal.
    2.  Your dad commands you to kill someone.
    3.  You have to lie to honor the sabbath.
    4.  A starving person steals a loaf of bread (if he doesnt, he is not honoring the temple of god in the body)


    Those are all 10 commandments based.  There are literally hundreds more moral contradictions in the bible - BECAUSE THE BIBLE PRETENDS THAT MORALITY IS ABSOLUTE - and it cannot stick to its own rules.

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    the commandments were made for man, not man for the commandments. When the disciples went through the corn field on the sabbath day, and they began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. The Pharisees, questioned Jesus with the same motive as yourself. They said unto him: Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?

    Jesus said unto them; Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was hungred, he, and they that were with him? How they went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shrewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them that were with him? The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by vanzack:

    1.  Your mom tells you to steal.
    2.  Your dad commands you to kill someone.
    3.  You have to lie to honor the sabbath.
    4.  A starving person steals a loaf of bread (if he doesnt, he is not honoring the temple of god in the body)


    Those are all 10 commandments based.  There are literally hundreds more moral contradictions in the bible - BECAUSE THE BIBLE PRETENDS THAT MORALITY IS ABSOLUTE - and it cannot stick to its own rules.

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    the commandments were made for man, not man for the commandments. When the disciples went through the corn field on the sabbath day, and they began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. The Pharisees, questioned Jesus with the same motive as yourself. They said unto him: Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?

    Jesus said unto them; Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was hungred, he, and they that were with him? How they went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shrewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them that were with him? The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2011 - 9:13 AM ET #1829

    Quote Originally Posted by aerial:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I'm watching a special on the Science Channel. Apparently, the big bang actually did "come from nothing." The scientists said this is one of the hardest concepts to grasp, but once you do, you can begin to understand the creation of the universe. If they try to explain how something actually can come from nothing, I'll be sure to let everyone know. For now, I have no idea. But this renders the argument "something can't come from nothing" void because apparently, it can.

    ________________________________

    according to quantum physics virtual particles can pop into existence from nothingness through quantum tunneling. Some cosmologists have suggested that the entire universe could have emerged in this way as a giant quantum particle. However, quantum theory states that quantum systems possess dynamic properties such as position, momentum, and spin orientation only when these properties are measured by some device or observer. The physical measuring devices themselves can be given a quantum physical description. Therefore, for the universe, there is the problem that there is nothing beyond quantum physics to make the measurement that is a necessary condition of the reality of the properties of the universe. It might be argued that God is the observer. However, this is the implication that quantum cosmology attempts to avoid. It has been suggested that the collapse of the wave function associated with a quantum system might function as the observer. However, the measuring device itself, also lacks any intrinsic dynamic properties (such as precise location or velocity). So if the measuring device itself is indeterminate then it cannot collapse the wave function of the quantum system being measured. If one hypothesizes other devices that collapse the wave function, we are left with the problem of infinite regression. The second problem with quantum cosmology is that quantum mechanics states that quantum events occur according to finite probabilities within finite time intervals. The larger the time interval, the greater the probability that a quantum event will occur. Outside of time, no quantum event is possible. Since time originated at the moment of the creation of the universe, quantum tunneling could not be its "creator." In addition, quantum events are extremely short lived. As a quantum event, the existence of the universe is many orders of magnitude longer than any described quantum event. Therefore, cosmologists who propose such theories must appeal to unknown laws of physics to describe the reality of the universe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clr8uL3M7Ow

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I'm watching a special on the Science Channel. Apparently, the big bang actually did "come from nothing." The scientists said this is one of the hardest concepts to grasp, but once you do, you can begin to understand the creation of the universe. If they try to explain how something actually can come from nothing, I'll be sure to let everyone know. For now, I have no idea. But this renders the argument "something can't come from nothing" void because apparently, it can.

    ________________________________

    according to quantum physics virtual particles can pop into existence from nothingness through quantum tunneling. Some cosmologists have suggested that the entire universe could have emerged in this way as a giant quantum particle. However, quantum theory states that quantum systems possess dynamic properties such as position, momentum, and spin orientation only when these properties are measured by some device or observer. The physical measuring devices themselves can be given a quantum physical description. Therefore, for the universe, there is the problem that there is nothing beyond quantum physics to make the measurement that is a necessary condition of the reality of the properties of the universe. It might be argued that God is the observer. However, this is the implication that quantum cosmology attempts to avoid. It has been suggested that the collapse of the wave function associated with a quantum system might function as the observer. However, the measuring device itself, also lacks any intrinsic dynamic properties (such as precise location or velocity). So if the measuring device itself is indeterminate then it cannot collapse the wave function of the quantum system being measured. If one hypothesizes other devices that collapse the wave function, we are left with the problem of infinite regression. The second problem with quantum cosmology is that quantum mechanics states that quantum events occur according to finite probabilities within finite time intervals. The larger the time interval, the greater the probability that a quantum event will occur. Outside of time, no quantum event is possible. Since time originated at the moment of the creation of the universe, quantum tunneling could not be its "creator." In addition, quantum events are extremely short lived. As a quantum event, the existence of the universe is many orders of magnitude longer than any described quantum event. Therefore, cosmologists who propose such theories must appeal to unknown laws of physics to describe the reality of the universe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clr8uL3M7Ow

     
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    Rostos, concur. Speculated that quantum tunneling was the "nothing" KittyKatz was describing from the Discovery program. Though, the post translates as expoiting its faliure to hold up, not support it. Not only space, but also time has a beginning, at the moment of creation. Studies in particle physics have shown that our dimension of time is really only half a dimension, since time can only move forward.
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    Rostos, concur. Speculated that quantum tunneling was the "nothing" KittyKatz was describing from the Discovery program. Though, the post translates as expoiting its faliure to hold up, not support it. Not only space, but also time has a beginning, at the moment of creation. Studies in particle physics have shown that our dimension of time is really only half a dimension, since time can only move forward.
     
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    Good mornin' everybody!...My Christian brothers & sisters, the irresolutors & the heathens!, how is everyone today on this fine, beautiful, wednesday, the 8th day of June?...I'm fine myself thankyou!

    Let me start today with the Lord's prayer. For you irresolutors & heathens, feel free to join in. Ok let's bow our heads and pray.

    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever, Amen.----Matthew 6:9:13

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    Good mornin' everybody!...My Christian brothers & sisters, the irresolutors & the heathens!, how is everyone today on this fine, beautiful, wednesday, the 8th day of June?...I'm fine myself thankyou!

    Let me start today with the Lord's prayer. For you irresolutors & heathens, feel free to join in. Ok let's bow our heads and pray.

    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever, Amen.----Matthew 6:9:13

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Good mornin' everybody!...My Christian brothers & sisters, the irresolutors & the heathens!, how is everyone today on this fine, beautiful, wednesday, the 8th day of June?...I'm fine myself thankyou!

    Let me start today with the Lord's prayer. For you irresolutors & heathens, feel free to join in. Ok let's bow our heads and pray.

    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever, Amen.----Matthew 6:9:13

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Good mornin' everybody!...My Christian brothers & sisters, the irresolutors & the heathens!, how is everyone today on this fine, beautiful, wednesday, the 8th day of June?...I'm fine myself thankyou!

    Let me start today with the Lord's prayer. For you irresolutors & heathens, feel free to join in. Ok let's bow our heads and pray.

    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever, Amen.----Matthew 6:9:13

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


    Real Christians of Genius  

    SJD Theme Song

    Praise Thinking and Reason!!


     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2011 - 1:06 PM ET #1833

    does god want lebron james to win a championship? from the looks of it probably not but then again its god who are we to judge?
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    does god want lebron james to win a championship? from the looks of it probably not but then again its god who are we to judge?
     
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    The Book of Joel

    The author was Joel, written during Joel's ministry, between 835 and 796 B.C.

    Displays of power can be impressive, but none will be more impressive than the coming "day of the Lord." On that day God will call all to account for their rebellion and sin. For those who have forsaken God, it will be a terrible day of judgment. This great day is the focus of Joel's prophecies. Joel used a plague of locusts to illustrate the coming of this terrible judgment, and urged God's people to listen---how much better to repent and live! But Joel's prophecies contain messages of hope as well as warning. If the people would respond to his warning, God will be merciful. God promised, "I will give you back what you lost" to the locusts (2:25). God's desire was to bless his people, not to destroy them. That was the reason for the locusts---to cause people to turn away from sin while there was still time.

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    The Book of Joel

    The author was Joel, written during Joel's ministry, between 835 and 796 B.C.

    Displays of power can be impressive, but none will be more impressive than the coming "day of the Lord." On that day God will call all to account for their rebellion and sin. For those who have forsaken God, it will be a terrible day of judgment. This great day is the focus of Joel's prophecies. Joel used a plague of locusts to illustrate the coming of this terrible judgment, and urged God's people to listen---how much better to repent and live! But Joel's prophecies contain messages of hope as well as warning. If the people would respond to his warning, God will be merciful. God promised, "I will give you back what you lost" to the locusts (2:25). God's desire was to bless his people, not to destroy them. That was the reason for the locusts---to cause people to turn away from sin while there was still time.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The Book of Joel

    The author was Joel, written during Joel's ministry, between 835 and 796 B.C.

    Displays of power can be impressive, but none will be more impressive than the coming "day of the Lord." On that day God will call all to account for their rebellion and sin. For those who have forsaken God, it will be a terrible day of judgment. This great day is the focus of Joel's prophecies. Joel used a plague of locusts to illustrate the coming of this terrible judgment, and urged God's people to listen---how much better to repent and live! But Joel's prophecies contain messages of hope as well as warning. If the people would respond to his warning, God will be merciful. God promised, "I will give you back what you lost" to the locusts (2:25). God's desire was to bless his people, not to destroy them. That was the reason for the locusts---to cause people to turn away from sin while there was still time.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


    your god is an ass....
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    The Book of Joel

    The author was Joel, written during Joel's ministry, between 835 and 796 B.C.

    Displays of power can be impressive, but none will be more impressive than the coming "day of the Lord." On that day God will call all to account for their rebellion and sin. For those who have forsaken God, it will be a terrible day of judgment. This great day is the focus of Joel's prophecies. Joel used a plague of locusts to illustrate the coming of this terrible judgment, and urged God's people to listen---how much better to repent and live! But Joel's prophecies contain messages of hope as well as warning. If the people would respond to his warning, God will be merciful. God promised, "I will give you back what you lost" to the locusts (2:25). God's desire was to bless his people, not to destroy them. That was the reason for the locusts---to cause people to turn away from sin while there was still time.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


    your god is an ass....
     
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    Why Were You BORN?

    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 22 of 23. Sinless Spirit Beings

    But once actually born of God---entering into his kingdom---his family---by the resurrection, we shall be composed of Spirit. We shall be like God, and like Christ now is, completely sinless.

    As Christ was born of God by his resurrection, so shall we be. "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren" (Rom. 8:29).

    At that time we shall be changed from mortal to immortal. "For our conversation [citizenship] is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body..." (Phil. 3:20-21).

    Do you begin to comprehend why you were born? How glorious is the truth!

    Part 23. Now Understand Why You Were Born!

    The purpose of life is that in us God is really recreating his own kind---reproducing himself after his own kind---for we, upon conversion, join the household of God. Then through study of God's revelation in his Word, living by his every Word, constant prayer, daily experience with trials and testings, we grow spiritually more and more like God, until, at the time of the resurrection we shall be instantaneously changed from mortal into immortal, composed of spirit---we shall then be full members of the God family!

    For, remember, the Hebrew word translated "God" is Elohim, a noun plural in form. There is one God---not many gods. But that one God is a divine family---a kingdom. There is but one true Church---one Church, but many members (1Cor. 12:20).

    So it is with God.

    As an illustration, there is the mineral kingdom, the plant kingdom, the animal kingdom, the human kingdom, in this material world. Spiritually, there is the angel kingdom, and, high above all, the kingdom of God. A human---flesh and blood---cannot enter into the kingdom of God (John 3:6; 1 Cor. 15:50), but one born of God can.

    Do you really grasp this tremendous, wonderful truth, your mind will be filled with transcendent joy and glory. It gives a new meaning to life so wonderful you'll never comprehend the full heights of its splendor.

    It means , of course, total renunciation, denial, of those injurious things and ways which have falsely seemed so bright and alluring to this world.

    But your eyes will be open at last to the great deception---the scales will fall from your blinded vision---you'll see the meaning of life, its great purpose, as you never dreamed it could be. Giving up this worl's evils, temptations and pitfalls---its snares and delusions which have glittered and then ended only in sorrow and suffering---is but emerging from gross darkness into the splendor of true light, and of happiness and joy forever!

    In the words of 1 Peter 1:8, you will "rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory"!

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    Why Were You BORN?

    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 22 of 23. Sinless Spirit Beings

    But once actually born of God---entering into his kingdom---his family---by the resurrection, we shall be composed of Spirit. We shall be like God, and like Christ now is, completely sinless.

    As Christ was born of God by his resurrection, so shall we be. "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren" (Rom. 8:29).

    At that time we shall be changed from mortal to immortal. "For our conversation [citizenship] is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body..." (Phil. 3:20-21).

    Do you begin to comprehend why you were born? How glorious is the truth!

    Part 23. Now Understand Why You Were Born!

    The purpose of life is that in us God is really recreating his own kind---reproducing himself after his own kind---for we, upon conversion, join the household of God. Then through study of God's revelation in his Word, living by his every Word, constant prayer, daily experience with trials and testings, we grow spiritually more and more like God, until, at the time of the resurrection we shall be instantaneously changed from mortal into immortal, composed of spirit---we shall then be full members of the God family!

    For, remember, the Hebrew word translated "God" is Elohim, a noun plural in form. There is one God---not many gods. But that one God is a divine family---a kingdom. There is but one true Church---one Church, but many members (1Cor. 12:20).

    So it is with God.

    As an illustration, there is the mineral kingdom, the plant kingdom, the animal kingdom, the human kingdom, in this material world. Spiritually, there is the angel kingdom, and, high above all, the kingdom of God. A human---flesh and blood---cannot enter into the kingdom of God (John 3:6; 1 Cor. 15:50), but one born of God can.

    Do you really grasp this tremendous, wonderful truth, your mind will be filled with transcendent joy and glory. It gives a new meaning to life so wonderful you'll never comprehend the full heights of its splendor.

    It means , of course, total renunciation, denial, of those injurious things and ways which have falsely seemed so bright and alluring to this world.

    But your eyes will be open at last to the great deception---the scales will fall from your blinded vision---you'll see the meaning of life, its great purpose, as you never dreamed it could be. Giving up this worl's evils, temptations and pitfalls---its snares and delusions which have glittered and then ended only in sorrow and suffering---is but emerging from gross darkness into the splendor of true light, and of happiness and joy forever!

    In the words of 1 Peter 1:8, you will "rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory"!

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



    Don't forget that God knew in advance that man would sin. He put the "crafty" snake in the garden with the purpose of tricking two very naive humans into sinning. Then punishes us for what he planned for us to do in the first place. How do you ignore that?

    That's if you believe that story as literally true. In reality of course, they didn't exist, there was no original sin and so Jesus died for no reason at all.


    Your interpretation of the Garden of Eden is all flawed. You sound like God & the serpent were in cahoots to trick Adam & Eve. That is ludicrous!

    He specifically warned Adam of the danger and not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good & evil. In Genesis 2:16-17 the Lord God warned Adam, "You may eat freely the fruit of every tree in the garden---except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit you are sure to die."

    These first two humans had perfect minds but it was because of their vanity that they took the forbidden fruit, they could have eaten from the tree of life which would have given them eternal life but no, because of their vanity and being influenced by the serpent, they made the wrong choice.

     And no! God did not plan for this to happen but it did happen all because the wrong choice was made and so the world knows of good and evil and it is your choice how you want to live your life. Do you want to live a good life or do you want to live an evil life, the choice is yours to make!

    The story is true, it's just as realistic as the sun will rise in the east & set in the west. And that was the original sin that our first parents committed and Our Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross as payment for mankind sins and so he died for a very good reason which was to save mankind from eternal damnation.

    Sin had separated Adam & Eve and the entire human race---including you mrgetrich---from God. But God did not want sin to keep people from having a relationship with him. So he provided a way in which people could be cleansed of their sins and live with him in heaven forever. He gave his only Son, Jesus, as the perfect payment for everyone's sins.

    It is good to give thanks to the Lord, to sing praises to the Most High. ---Psalm 92:1

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    Don't forget that God knew in advance that man would sin. He put the "crafty" snake in the garden with the purpose of tricking two very naive humans into sinning. Then punishes us for what he planned for us to do in the first place. How do you ignore that?

    That's if you believe that story as literally true. In reality of course, they didn't exist, there was no original sin and so Jesus died for no reason at all.


    Your interpretation of the Garden of Eden is all flawed. You sound like God & the serpent were in cahoots to trick Adam & Eve. That is ludicrous!

    He specifically warned Adam of the danger and not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good & evil. In Genesis 2:16-17 the Lord God warned Adam, "You may eat freely the fruit of every tree in the garden---except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit you are sure to die."

    These first two humans had perfect minds but it was because of their vanity that they took the forbidden fruit, they could have eaten from the tree of life which would have given them eternal life but no, because of their vanity and being influenced by the serpent, they made the wrong choice.

     And no! God did not plan for this to happen but it did happen all because the wrong choice was made and so the world knows of good and evil and it is your choice how you want to live your life. Do you want to live a good life or do you want to live an evil life, the choice is yours to make!

    The story is true, it's just as realistic as the sun will rise in the east & set in the west. And that was the original sin that our first parents committed and Our Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross as payment for mankind sins and so he died for a very good reason which was to save mankind from eternal damnation.

    Sin had separated Adam & Eve and the entire human race---including you mrgetrich---from God. But God did not want sin to keep people from having a relationship with him. So he provided a way in which people could be cleansed of their sins and live with him in heaven forever. He gave his only Son, Jesus, as the perfect payment for everyone's sins.

    It is good to give thanks to the Lord, to sing praises to the Most High. ---Psalm 92:1

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    John Drake please share more of these bullshit story fairy tales I cant get enough of them
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    John Drake please share more of these bullshit story fairy tales I cant get enough of them
     
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    vanzack, i made good use of one of the links you previously posted in here.  i thought i'd let you know as i gave you the deserved credit.
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    vanzack, i made good use of one of the links you previously posted in here.  i thought i'd let you know as i gave you the deserved credit.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    vanzack, i made good use of one of the links you previously posted in here.  i thought i'd let you know as i gave you the deserved credit.


    in the politics forum, that is. 
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    vanzack, i made good use of one of the links you previously posted in here.  i thought i'd let you know as i gave you the deserved credit.


    in the politics forum, that is. 
     
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    Aerial - I have no problem with scientists appealing to unknown laws of physics. What is the difference between appealing to unknown laws of physics and appealing to god? Not much (unless these laws are discovered). I just have no reason to think it's god unless there is absolutely no alternative.

    Smartapple - FIRST, ROSTOS DO NOT ANSWER THIS, I WANT SMARTAPPLE TO ANSWER IT, I ALREADY KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS. You said the only way to stop the process of constantly having a question is god. It is my view and an ABSOLUTE FACT that nothing is immune to the regress, it continues endlessly. WE DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER. How is god immune to the regress?
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    Aerial - I have no problem with scientists appealing to unknown laws of physics. What is the difference between appealing to unknown laws of physics and appealing to god? Not much (unless these laws are discovered). I just have no reason to think it's god unless there is absolutely no alternative.

    Smartapple - FIRST, ROSTOS DO NOT ANSWER THIS, I WANT SMARTAPPLE TO ANSWER IT, I ALREADY KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS. You said the only way to stop the process of constantly having a question is god. It is my view and an ABSOLUTE FACT that nothing is immune to the regress, it continues endlessly. WE DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER. How is god immune to the regress?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by aerial:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I'm watching a special on the Science Channel. Apparently, the big bang actually did "come from nothing." The scientists said this is one of the hardest concepts to grasp, but once you do, you can begin to understand the creation of the universe. If they try to explain how something actually can come from nothing, I'll be sure to let everyone know. For now, I have no idea. But this renders the argument "something can't come from nothing" void because apparently, it can.

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    according to quantum physics virtual particles can pop into existence from nothingness through quantum tunneling. Some cosmologists have suggested that the entire universe could have emerged in this way as a giant quantum particle. However, quantum theory states that quantum systems possess dynamic properties such as position, momentum, and spin orientation only when these properties are measured by some device or observer. The physical measuring devices themselves can be given a quantum physical description. Therefore, for the universe, there is the problem that there is nothing beyond quantum physics to make the measurement that is a necessary condition of the reality of the properties of the universe. It might be argued that God is the observer. However, this is the implication that quantum cosmology attempts to avoid. It has been suggested that the collapse of the wave function associated with a quantum system might function as the observer. However, the measuring device itself, also lacks any intrinsic dynamic properties (such as precise location or velocity). So if the measuring device itself is indeterminate then it cannot collapse the wave function of the quantum system being measured. If one hypothesizes other devices that collapse the wave function, we are left with the problem of infinite regression. The second problem with quantum cosmology is that quantum mechanics states that quantum events occur according to finite probabilities within finite time intervals. The larger the time interval, the greater the probability that a quantum event will occur. Outside of time, no quantum event is possible. Since time originated at the moment of the creation of the universe, quantum tunneling could not be its "creator." In addition, quantum events are extremely short lived. As a quantum event, the existence of the universe is many orders of magnitude longer than any described quantum event. Therefore, cosmologists who propose such theories must appeal to unknown laws of physics to describe the reality of the universe.

    we can agree it might be god........with your somewhat curious research of science you would be interested in Deism .......but if you quote the creator the God of moses than you are not looking like a baboon but more like a buffoon!
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    QUOTE Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I'm watching a special on the Science Channel. Apparently, the big bang actually did "come from nothing." The scientists said this is one of the hardest concepts to grasp, but once you do, you can begin to understand the creation of the universe. If they try to explain how something actually can come from nothing, I'll be sure to let everyone know. For now, I have no idea. But this renders the argument "something can't come from nothing" void because apparently, it can.

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    according to quantum physics virtual particles can pop into existence from nothingness through quantum tunneling. Some cosmologists have suggested that the entire universe could have emerged in this way as a giant quantum particle. However, quantum theory states that quantum systems possess dynamic properties such as position, momentum, and spin orientation only when these properties are measured by some device or observer. The physical measuring devices themselves can be given a quantum physical description. Therefore, for the universe, there is the problem that there is nothing beyond quantum physics to make the measurement that is a necessary condition of the reality of the properties of the universe. It might be argued that God is the observer. However, this is the implication that quantum cosmology attempts to avoid. It has been suggested that the collapse of the wave function associated with a quantum system might function as the observer. However, the measuring device itself, also lacks any intrinsic dynamic properties (such as precise location or velocity). So if the measuring device itself is indeterminate then it cannot collapse the wave function of the quantum system being measured. If one hypothesizes other devices that collapse the wave function, we are left with the problem of infinite regression. The second problem with quantum cosmology is that quantum mechanics states that quantum events occur according to finite probabilities within finite time intervals. The larger the time interval, the greater the probability that a quantum event will occur. Outside of time, no quantum event is possible. Since time originated at the moment of the creation of the universe, quantum tunneling could not be its "creator." In addition, quantum events are extremely short lived. As a quantum event, the existence of the universe is many orders of magnitude longer than any described quantum event. Therefore, cosmologists who propose such theories must appeal to unknown laws of physics to describe the reality of the universe.

    we can agree it might be god........with your somewhat curious research of science you would be interested in Deism .......but if you quote the creator the God of moses than you are not looking like a baboon but more like a buffoon!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2011 - 5:48 PM ET #1843

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Thats exactly right.

    You cant have an infinite regress.

    As i have stated here over 1 mill times.

    1.At the big bang, the universe was born.

    2. As the universe was born, space, time and matter BEGAN to exist. Prior to this moment, there was NO SPACE, NO TIME and NO MATTER.

    3. Crunch time. You either think SPACE, TIME and MATTER created itself out of nothing, by nothing for nothing OR you think something OUTSIDE of space , time and matter created these.

    If you take the former, you believe something can come from nothing. If you believe in the latter, you believe in a higher power.

    People say multiverses, that is purely theoretical. No different to me saying there are kangaroos playing baseball on Mars.

    Furthermore, if you believe the former, you think everything we see, hear and to is the result of an absolute fluke, pure luck.....An explosion at the print factory randomly caused the dictionary we read today......

    I know what i believe in.....

    regress bible.....forward evolution

                

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    Thats exactly right.

    You cant have an infinite regress.

    As i have stated here over 1 mill times.

    1.At the big bang, the universe was born.

    2. As the universe was born, space, time and matter BEGAN to exist. Prior to this moment, there was NO SPACE, NO TIME and NO MATTER.

    3. Crunch time. You either think SPACE, TIME and MATTER created itself out of nothing, by nothing for nothing OR you think something OUTSIDE of space , time and matter created these.

    If you take the former, you believe something can come from nothing. If you believe in the latter, you believe in a higher power.

    People say multiverses, that is purely theoretical. No different to me saying there are kangaroos playing baseball on Mars.

    Furthermore, if you believe the former, you think everything we see, hear and to is the result of an absolute fluke, pure luck.....An explosion at the print factory randomly caused the dictionary we read today......

    I know what i believe in.....

    regress bible.....forward evolution

                

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    vanzack, i made good use of one of the links you previously posted in here.  i thought i'd let you know as i gave you the deserved credit.

    I dont deserve credit, I steal them all.

    BTW - should I poke my head in to the politics forum?  I usually just get upset, and disgusted, and leave.

    I think this religion thread is about as far as I can take - I write this off to being funny - unfortunately politics seems much more real to me than these fairy tales and it is harder to laugh off - so I just avoid those discussions.

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    vanzack, i made good use of one of the links you previously posted in here.  i thought i'd let you know as i gave you the deserved credit.

    I dont deserve credit, I steal them all.

    BTW - should I poke my head in to the politics forum?  I usually just get upset, and disgusted, and leave.

    I think this religion thread is about as far as I can take - I write this off to being funny - unfortunately politics seems much more real to me than these fairy tales and it is harder to laugh off - so I just avoid those discussions.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2011 - 6:07 PM ET #1845

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Dont give excuses for Man's wicked ways.

    As i said before, you own a sports car, doesnt mean you have to speed in it.



    Are you honestly saying that story wasn't staged so that we would not sin? A crafty talking snake, that God created for what other purpose do you suggest?

    I'm not giving any excuses for our "wicked" ways. But when you set someone up for failure then blame them for failing......something isn't right there. Ignoring the fact again, that it never happened.


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    Dont give excuses for Man's wicked ways.

    As i said before, you own a sports car, doesnt mean you have to speed in it.



    Are you honestly saying that story wasn't staged so that we would not sin? A crafty talking snake, that God created for what other purpose do you suggest?

    I'm not giving any excuses for our "wicked" ways. But when you set someone up for failure then blame them for failing......something isn't right there. Ignoring the fact again, that it never happened.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2011 - 6:08 PM ET #1846

    this is more interesting than bible stories ...if ya got the time

    https://www.thehistorychannelclub.com/articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/286/some-awesome-bull

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    this is more interesting than bible stories ...if ya got the time

    https://www.thehistorychannelclub.com/articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/286/some-awesome-bull

     
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    more interesting than the bible.....if ya got the time

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt8mL7ioEaU
     

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    more interesting than the bible.....if ya got the time

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt8mL7ioEaU
     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I dont deserve credit, I steal them all.

    BTW - should I poke my head in to the politics forum?  I usually just get upset, and disgusted, and leave.

    I think this religion thread is about as far as I can take - I write this off to being funny - unfortunately politics seems much more real to me than these fairy tales and it is harder to laugh off - so I just avoid those discussions.



    check out the story i posted in the politics forum about the texas governor.  it's a pretty amazing (i.e. pathetic story) but a perfect fit for that prayer link you posted a while back. 
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    I dont deserve credit, I steal them all.

    BTW - should I poke my head in to the politics forum?  I usually just get upset, and disgusted, and leave.

    I think this religion thread is about as far as I can take - I write this off to being funny - unfortunately politics seems much more real to me than these fairy tales and it is harder to laugh off - so I just avoid those discussions.



    check out the story i posted in the politics forum about the texas governor.  it's a pretty amazing (i.e. pathetic story) but a perfect fit for that prayer link you posted a while back. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2011 - 6:56 PM ET #1849

    Quote Originally Posted by smartapple123:

    the fact that there is always another question is why you must believe in a higher power.

    Bullshit. What you are basically saying is if we don't know the answer now, we will never know. Let's stop looking for it and just say it was done by magic. There is no way that humans would have gotten to the moon with that mentality. The fact that we don't know everything right now is no reason to stop looking and just give all the credit to some imaginary deity.

    I challenge you to find one time where assuming supernatural explanations for previously unknown natural phenomena have ever improved our understanding of it and explain in detail how it improved our understanding.

    It never has, in fact all it does in block our attempts to understand what we don't currently.

    If you believe in science there is always another question for each statement.  For example If your statement is "The big bang created the earth".  You can always counter that with the question "What caused the big bang"

    That's fair. So we don't know what caused the big bang right now, so we should stop looking and just say God did it?  Then the next question is how did God do it? You guys can't even tell me how dirt formed a human with no intermediate steps in between the dirt and human and yet you want us to reject all of the science that proves your beliefs wrong and believe so God created the universe with materials that were created from.....(watch this)........... NOTHING! Tell me where the materials came from? God did it does not answer that question.


    The fact that nobody can solve that combined with the fact that something cant come from nothing leads me to believe there is absolutely a higher power.

    That's the ticket! Just stop thinking. I don't know and nobody else knows, and nobody will ever know... therefore magic!!


    Now, God would be the absolute most obvious choice of the higher power.

    Ok, I'll give you God for the sake of argument. Which one? There are literally thousands of them. How do we distinguish one God from another one? Is it just based on which story about God we like the most? Or do we just trust that our particular culture as adopted the right one?

    So much evidence is provided in the Holy Books, and if you keep telling me you dont believe in the Holy Books,?.  How can something come from nothing without a higher power?

    I don't believe in Holy books.

    I will always ask the question of how your scientific theory can be proven?

    Your question is a stupid one because scientific theories are never proven. They are ALWAYS open to new evidence because nothing is ever assumed to be 100% fact in science. If something that we currently know can be better explained by new evidence, science will accept that evidence. If something shows what we currently know to be incorrect, we will reject what is incorrect and apply the new evidece to our understanding. Have you ever been shown to be wrong about something? When you were did you keep the new knowledge to be better informed or did you reject it and stay incorrect?

      How can something come from nothing without a higher power?

    Besides that fact that nobody makes the claim that something can come from nothing other than creationists? 

    The obvious question is next...where did the higher power come from? But that's where it stops right, because your God just was there, no cause no explanation. One day it decided to twinkle his nose and out of nothing the entire universe comes into existence with fully formed living creatures.


    Was the creation of the universe like this? You can talk to God so don't tell me you don't know.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ODPtsAJXgM


    The fact is, even if we didn't know anything about cosmology, abiogenesis or evolution. "God did it" is still not an option...it's magic!! It still would not be an adequate explanation for anything at all.






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    Quote Originally Posted by smartapple123:

    the fact that there is always another question is why you must believe in a higher power.

    Bullshit. What you are basically saying is if we don't know the answer now, we will never know. Let's stop looking for it and just say it was done by magic. There is no way that humans would have gotten to the moon with that mentality. The fact that we don't know everything right now is no reason to stop looking and just give all the credit to some imaginary deity.

    I challenge you to find one time where assuming supernatural explanations for previously unknown natural phenomena have ever improved our understanding of it and explain in detail how it improved our understanding.

    It never has, in fact all it does in block our attempts to understand what we don't currently.

    If you believe in science there is always another question for each statement.  For example If your statement is "The big bang created the earth".  You can always counter that with the question "What caused the big bang"

    That's fair. So we don't know what caused the big bang right now, so we should stop looking and just say God did it?  Then the next question is how did God do it? You guys can't even tell me how dirt formed a human with no intermediate steps in between the dirt and human and yet you want us to reject all of the science that proves your beliefs wrong and believe so God created the universe with materials that were created from.....(watch this)........... NOTHING! Tell me where the materials came from? God did it does not answer that question.


    The fact that nobody can solve that combined with the fact that something cant come from nothing leads me to believe there is absolutely a higher power.

    That's the ticket! Just stop thinking. I don't know and nobody else knows, and nobody will ever know... therefore magic!!


    Now, God would be the absolute most obvious choice of the higher power.

    Ok, I'll give you God for the sake of argument. Which one? There are literally thousands of them. How do we distinguish one God from another one? Is it just based on which story about God we like the most? Or do we just trust that our particular culture as adopted the right one?

    So much evidence is provided in the Holy Books, and if you keep telling me you dont believe in the Holy Books,?.  How can something come from nothing without a higher power?

    I don't believe in Holy books.

    I will always ask the question of how your scientific theory can be proven?

    Your question is a stupid one because scientific theories are never proven. They are ALWAYS open to new evidence because nothing is ever assumed to be 100% fact in science. If something that we currently know can be better explained by new evidence, science will accept that evidence. If something shows what we currently know to be incorrect, we will reject what is incorrect and apply the new evidece to our understanding. Have you ever been shown to be wrong about something? When you were did you keep the new knowledge to be better informed or did you reject it and stay incorrect?

      How can something come from nothing without a higher power?

    Besides that fact that nobody makes the claim that something can come from nothing other than creationists? 

    The obvious question is next...where did the higher power come from? But that's where it stops right, because your God just was there, no cause no explanation. One day it decided to twinkle his nose and out of nothing the entire universe comes into existence with fully formed living creatures.


    Was the creation of the universe like this? You can talk to God so don't tell me you don't know.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ODPtsAJXgM


    The fact is, even if we didn't know anything about cosmology, abiogenesis or evolution. "God did it" is still not an option...it's magic!! It still would not be an adequate explanation for anything at all.






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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Your interpretation of the Garden of Eden is all flawed. You sound like God & the serpent were in cahoots to trick Adam & Eve. That is ludicrous!

    He specifically warned Adam of the danger and not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good & evil. In Genesis 2:16-17 the Lord God warned Adam, "You may eat freely the fruit of every tree in the garden---except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit you are sure to die."

    These first two humans had perfect minds but it was because of their vanity that they took the forbidden fruit, they could have eaten from the tree of life which would have given them eternal life but no, because of their vanity and being influenced by the serpent, they made the wrong choice.

     And no! God did not plan for this to happen but it did happen all because the wrong choice was made and so the world knows of good and evil and it is your choice how you want to live your life. Do you want to live a good life or do you want to live an evil life, the choice is yours to make!

    The story is true, it's just as realistic as the sun will rise in the east & set in the west. And that was the original sin that our first parents committed and Our Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross as payment for mankind sins and so he died for a very good reason which was to save mankind from eternal damnation.

    Sin had separated Adam & Eve and the entire human race---including you mrgetrich---from God. But God did not want sin to keep people from having a relationship with him. So he provided a way in which people could be cleansed of their sins and live with him in heaven forever. He gave his only Son, Jesus, as the perfect payment for everyone's sins.

    It is good to give thanks to the Lord, to sing praises to the Most High. ---Psalm 92:1

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!



    Of course God programmed the serpent the trick them. They were on the same team. Otherwise there is no reason at all to create a special reptile with vocal cords with the ability to have it sounds heard and understood by humans. Can you think of any other reason?

    He warned Adam that he'd surly die the day he ate the fruit, yet he did and lived to be 926 years old.

    Also consider the fact Adam had never witnessed death, he had no clue what death was at all. Human bodies were not meant to live forever so we were going to die anyway so there was no reason for us not to eat the fruit and the OT never mentions any kind of afterlife at all so hell wasn't an option back then. He was going to die either way!

    You are free to believe the story as literally true if you want to, and I'm free to call you a moron for doing so. That story, regardless if there is a God or not is 100% false.






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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Your interpretation of the Garden of Eden is all flawed. You sound like God & the serpent were in cahoots to trick Adam & Eve. That is ludicrous!

    He specifically warned Adam of the danger and not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good & evil. In Genesis 2:16-17 the Lord God warned Adam, "You may eat freely the fruit of every tree in the garden---except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit you are sure to die."

    These first two humans had perfect minds but it was because of their vanity that they took the forbidden fruit, they could have eaten from the tree of life which would have given them eternal life but no, because of their vanity and being influenced by the serpent, they made the wrong choice.

     And no! God did not plan for this to happen but it did happen all because the wrong choice was made and so the world knows of good and evil and it is your choice how you want to live your life. Do you want to live a good life or do you want to live an evil life, the choice is yours to make!

    The story is true, it's just as realistic as the sun will rise in the east & set in the west. And that was the original sin that our first parents committed and Our Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross as payment for mankind sins and so he died for a very good reason which was to save mankind from eternal damnation.

    Sin had separated Adam & Eve and the entire human race---including you mrgetrich---from God. But God did not want sin to keep people from having a relationship with him. So he provided a way in which people could be cleansed of their sins and live with him in heaven forever. He gave his only Son, Jesus, as the perfect payment for everyone's sins.

    It is good to give thanks to the Lord, to sing praises to the Most High. ---Psalm 92:1

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!



    Of course God programmed the serpent the trick them. They were on the same team. Otherwise there is no reason at all to create a special reptile with vocal cords with the ability to have it sounds heard and understood by humans. Can you think of any other reason?

    He warned Adam that he'd surly die the day he ate the fruit, yet he did and lived to be 926 years old.

    Also consider the fact Adam had never witnessed death, he had no clue what death was at all. Human bodies were not meant to live forever so we were going to die anyway so there was no reason for us not to eat the fruit and the OT never mentions any kind of afterlife at all so hell wasn't an option back then. He was going to die either way!

    You are free to believe the story as literally true if you want to, and I'm free to call you a moron for doing so. That story, regardless if there is a God or not is 100% false.






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