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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2011 - 4:19 PM ET #1701

    From the Onion

    Church Cancelled Due to Lack of God

    The South—Parishioners of Pastor Theo Leobald’s First Congregational Church of Holy Christ In Heaven will not meet next Sunday morning for a coffee social and morning Bible study as they do every week, gathering in fellowship and offering thanks and praise to God on high. The reason for the cancellation? Simply the fact that, according to Leobald, God does not now, has never, and will never exist.

    The Church of Holy Christ In Heaven will soon change its name to the Church of Imaginary Make-Believe Land.

    When asked why he is convinced of God’s nonexistence, Leobald became visibly irritated with reporters.

    “What’re you, an illiterate peasant? Aren’t you familiar with 20th century thinking at all? Christ, read a book, or maybe just think about the idea for a minute. Pretty ridiculous, huh?” he said.

    When pressed, however, he sighed heavily, and explained that thousands of years ago, tribes of nomadic desert peoples made up God because, being incapable of scientific reasoning due to caveman-like existences, they had no other way of making sense of things like sunshine, rocks and pork-transmitted trichinosis.

    “They made it all up, and they were ignorant, unwashed, half-naked pre-historic barbarians,” Leobald said. “So who are you gonna believe: Carl Sagan, and the pantheon of the world’s greatest scientific and intellectual minds, or some guy who measured wealth by how many goats he had?”

    Sagan, according to Leobald, is an “astronomer” in a big city far, far away who writes what are known as “books.”

    “I just felt like an idiot saying all that nonsense week in, week out. What’s the point of singing hymns of joyous adoration to a fictional entity?” Leobald said.

    “Why convene to donate time, money and personal resources to a being which exists only in fabulous legends and mythological ancient texts? If we were to keep doing that, week after week, why, we’d feel ridiculous, wouldn’t we? Plus, we’d look pretty stupid as well. It’d be like talking to a wall, and frankly, I’ve got better things to do with my time. And I sincerely hope all of you do too.”

    Although reactions among community members to Leobald’s decision have been varied, most have been positive.

    “I never really liked getting up that early on the weekend anyway, but continued to do so out of gripping fear of having my entrails eternally ripped out by flaming scimitars after death,” Gregory H. Tensdale, 51, said. “But now that I know it’s all just pretend, I am no longer terrified.”

    Tensdale concluded by adding that the uncomfortable dress-up clothes he has always detested will be on the trash heap by sundown, and that he fully expects to stay clad only in underwear until well after the game on Sundays from now on.

    “I enjoyed the lovely singing during church service, and was very sad to see it go, particularly because I am a lonely septuagenarian waiting to die,” Mabel Graskowsky, 78, said. “But then Pastor explained to me that there are groups who get together just for singing only, and I could go to any one I wanted whenever I wished. Just singing! None of that boring inbetween stuff I always slept through. I’m much happier now.”

    Not all opinions were as supportive.

    “Who cares if God isn’t real? I say worship him anyway,” School Board Member Fred Nichtenhausen said. “After all, every grown-up man and woman knows Santa Claus isn’t real, yet we worship him every year on Christmas, the Holy Day of Santa’s birth, as prophesied by Nostradamus.”

    Added junior high school student Curt Mondaham, who was unimpressed with the pastor’s speech, “Big deal. He’s just saying the same thing Neil Peart’s been saying for years.”

    For those who still want to worship, if not God, but just something, Leobald has started a Sunday morning group called The Church of Imaginary Make-Believe Land, where churchgoers will have their choice of nonexistent beings to submit to. Some of the worship selections include Poseidon, super-agent James Bond and fabled storybook character Peter Pan. “I’m worshipping Peter Pan,” Gladys Fye, 108, said. “I do so love his adorable little pointed green shoes. Oh, that Tinkerbell with her magic dust!”

    For his part though, Leobald says he will not be attending.

    “I’m meeting once a week, not Sundays but on Wednesdays, with anyone who cares to join me. We won’t be worshipping anybody, just practicing my favorite hobby, horticulture. I’ll admit, it doesn’t have the power to grant eternal absolution from earthly pain, but at least flowers are real. We must cultivate our garden.”

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    From the Onion

    Church Cancelled Due to Lack of God

    The South—Parishioners of Pastor Theo Leobald’s First Congregational Church of Holy Christ In Heaven will not meet next Sunday morning for a coffee social and morning Bible study as they do every week, gathering in fellowship and offering thanks and praise to God on high. The reason for the cancellation? Simply the fact that, according to Leobald, God does not now, has never, and will never exist.

    The Church of Holy Christ In Heaven will soon change its name to the Church of Imaginary Make-Believe Land.

    When asked why he is convinced of God’s nonexistence, Leobald became visibly irritated with reporters.

    “What’re you, an illiterate peasant? Aren’t you familiar with 20th century thinking at all? Christ, read a book, or maybe just think about the idea for a minute. Pretty ridiculous, huh?” he said.

    When pressed, however, he sighed heavily, and explained that thousands of years ago, tribes of nomadic desert peoples made up God because, being incapable of scientific reasoning due to caveman-like existences, they had no other way of making sense of things like sunshine, rocks and pork-transmitted trichinosis.

    “They made it all up, and they were ignorant, unwashed, half-naked pre-historic barbarians,” Leobald said. “So who are you gonna believe: Carl Sagan, and the pantheon of the world’s greatest scientific and intellectual minds, or some guy who measured wealth by how many goats he had?”

    Sagan, according to Leobald, is an “astronomer” in a big city far, far away who writes what are known as “books.”

    “I just felt like an idiot saying all that nonsense week in, week out. What’s the point of singing hymns of joyous adoration to a fictional entity?” Leobald said.

    “Why convene to donate time, money and personal resources to a being which exists only in fabulous legends and mythological ancient texts? If we were to keep doing that, week after week, why, we’d feel ridiculous, wouldn’t we? Plus, we’d look pretty stupid as well. It’d be like talking to a wall, and frankly, I’ve got better things to do with my time. And I sincerely hope all of you do too.”

    Although reactions among community members to Leobald’s decision have been varied, most have been positive.

    “I never really liked getting up that early on the weekend anyway, but continued to do so out of gripping fear of having my entrails eternally ripped out by flaming scimitars after death,” Gregory H. Tensdale, 51, said. “But now that I know it’s all just pretend, I am no longer terrified.”

    Tensdale concluded by adding that the uncomfortable dress-up clothes he has always detested will be on the trash heap by sundown, and that he fully expects to stay clad only in underwear until well after the game on Sundays from now on.

    “I enjoyed the lovely singing during church service, and was very sad to see it go, particularly because I am a lonely septuagenarian waiting to die,” Mabel Graskowsky, 78, said. “But then Pastor explained to me that there are groups who get together just for singing only, and I could go to any one I wanted whenever I wished. Just singing! None of that boring inbetween stuff I always slept through. I’m much happier now.”

    Not all opinions were as supportive.

    “Who cares if God isn’t real? I say worship him anyway,” School Board Member Fred Nichtenhausen said. “After all, every grown-up man and woman knows Santa Claus isn’t real, yet we worship him every year on Christmas, the Holy Day of Santa’s birth, as prophesied by Nostradamus.”

    Added junior high school student Curt Mondaham, who was unimpressed with the pastor’s speech, “Big deal. He’s just saying the same thing Neil Peart’s been saying for years.”

    For those who still want to worship, if not God, but just something, Leobald has started a Sunday morning group called The Church of Imaginary Make-Believe Land, where churchgoers will have their choice of nonexistent beings to submit to. Some of the worship selections include Poseidon, super-agent James Bond and fabled storybook character Peter Pan. “I’m worshipping Peter Pan,” Gladys Fye, 108, said. “I do so love his adorable little pointed green shoes. Oh, that Tinkerbell with her magic dust!”

    For his part though, Leobald says he will not be attending.

    “I’m meeting once a week, not Sundays but on Wednesdays, with anyone who cares to join me. We won’t be worshipping anybody, just practicing my favorite hobby, horticulture. I’ll admit, it doesn’t have the power to grant eternal absolution from earthly pain, but at least flowers are real. We must cultivate our garden.”

     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2011 - 5:33 PM ET #1702

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    1. Would you prefer that he visits you, tucks you in at bedtime, reads to you Biblical stories from the past, have some hot-milk with oreo cookies and before he leaves you for the night, He tells you who to put your money on for the next day's wager at the gambling booth?...lol

    Because knowing you, that is what it is going to take for you to believe in Him. Even if he made appearances, you are still not going to believe in Him because you're going to say its all lies, people are making it up and that you want to see Him in person yourself to believe.

    Now that is rather selfish of you...don't you think?

    2. The Bible clearly states that Adam and Eve were created last after everything else and remember now, a day for God is not like a day for you and I. It could be a thousand years or hundreds of thousands of years.

    3. Please!...now who is the one that is lying? No way are they going to release a math textbook to the schools before making sure everything has been proof read and verified to be error free! So don't go using a lie to backup your silly logic scenario.

    4. Lastly the Holy Bible has no lies in it, because it was written by God and God doesn't lie.

     And you know this how Oh, the bible told you 

    By the way, I thought it was written by man, inspired by god Does man lie

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    1. Would you prefer that he visits you, tucks you in at bedtime, reads to you Biblical stories from the past, have some hot-milk with oreo cookies and before he leaves you for the night, He tells you who to put your money on for the next day's wager at the gambling booth?...lol

    Because knowing you, that is what it is going to take for you to believe in Him. Even if he made appearances, you are still not going to believe in Him because you're going to say its all lies, people are making it up and that you want to see Him in person yourself to believe.

    Now that is rather selfish of you...don't you think?

    2. The Bible clearly states that Adam and Eve were created last after everything else and remember now, a day for God is not like a day for you and I. It could be a thousand years or hundreds of thousands of years.

    3. Please!...now who is the one that is lying? No way are they going to release a math textbook to the schools before making sure everything has been proof read and verified to be error free! So don't go using a lie to backup your silly logic scenario.

    4. Lastly the Holy Bible has no lies in it, because it was written by God and God doesn't lie.

     And you know this how Oh, the bible told you 

    By the way, I thought it was written by man, inspired by god Does man lie

     

    He revealed his character to Moses and his deeds to the people of Israel. The Lord is compassionate and merciful, slow to get angry and filled with unfailing love. ---Psalms 103:7-8

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2011 - 5:35 PM ET #1703

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    From the Onion

    Church Cancelled Due to Lack of God

    The South—Parishioners of Pastor Theo Leobald’s First Congregational Church of Holy Christ In Heaven will not meet next Sunday morning for a coffee social and morning Bible study as they do every week, gathering in fellowship and offering thanks and praise to God on high. The reason for the cancellation? Simply the fact that, according to Leobald, God does not now, has never, and will never exist.

    The Church of Holy Christ In Heaven will soon change its name to the Church of Imaginary Make-Believe Land.

    When asked why he is convinced of God’s nonexistence, Leobald became visibly irritated with reporters.

    “What’re you, an illiterate peasant? Aren’t you familiar with 20th century thinking at all? Christ, read a book, or maybe just think about the idea for a minute. Pretty ridiculous, huh?” he said.

    When pressed, however, he sighed heavily, and explained that thousands of years ago, tribes of nomadic desert peoples made up God because, being incapable of scientific reasoning due to caveman-like existences, they had no other way of making sense of things like sunshine, rocks and pork-transmitted trichinosis.

    “They made it all up, and they were ignorant, unwashed, half-naked pre-historic barbarians,” Leobald said. “So who are you gonna believe: Carl Sagan, and the pantheon of the world’s greatest scientific and intellectual minds, or some guy who measured wealth by how many goats he had?”

    Sagan, according to Leobald, is an “astronomer” in a big city far, far away who writes what are known as “books.”

    “I just felt like an idiot saying all that nonsense week in, week out. What’s the point of singing hymns of joyous adoration to a fictional entity?” Leobald said.

    “Why convene to donate time, money and personal resources to a being which exists only in fabulous legends and mythological ancient texts? If we were to keep doing that, week after week, why, we’d feel ridiculous, wouldn’t we? Plus, we’d look pretty stupid as well. It’d be like talking to a wall, and frankly, I’ve got better things to do with my time. And I sincerely hope all of you do too.”

    Although reactions among community members to Leobald’s decision have been varied, most have been positive.

    “I never really liked getting up that early on the weekend anyway, but continued to do so out of gripping fear of having my entrails eternally ripped out by flaming scimitars after death,” Gregory H. Tensdale, 51, said. “But now that I know it’s all just pretend, I am no longer terrified.”

    Tensdale concluded by adding that the uncomfortable dress-up clothes he has always detested will be on the trash heap by sundown, and that he fully expects to stay clad only in underwear until well after the game on Sundays from now on.

    “I enjoyed the lovely singing during church service, and was very sad to see it go, particularly because I am a lonely septuagenarian waiting to die,” Mabel Graskowsky, 78, said. “But then Pastor explained to me that there are groups who get together just for singing only, and I could go to any one I wanted whenever I wished. Just singing! None of that boring inbetween stuff I always slept through. I’m much happier now.”

    Not all opinions were as supportive.

    “Who cares if God isn’t real? I say worship him anyway,” School Board Member Fred Nichtenhausen said. “After all, every grown-up man and woman knows Santa Claus isn’t real, yet we worship him every year on Christmas, the Holy Day of Santa’s birth, as prophesied by Nostradamus.”

    Added junior high school student Curt Mondaham, who was unimpressed with the pastor’s speech, “Big deal. He’s just saying the same thing Neil Peart’s been saying for years.”

    For those who still want to worship, if not God, but just something, Leobald has started a Sunday morning group called The Church of Imaginary Make-Believe Land, where churchgoers will have their choice of nonexistent beings to submit to. Some of the worship selections include Poseidon, super-agent James Bond and fabled storybook character Peter Pan. “I’m worshipping Peter Pan,” Gladys Fye, 108, said. “I do so love his adorable little pointed green shoes. Oh, that Tinkerbell with her magic dust!”

    For his part though, Leobald says he will not be attending.

    “I’m meeting once a week, not Sundays but on Wednesdays, with anyone who cares to join me. We won’t be worshipping anybody, just practicing my favorite hobby, horticulture. I’ll admit, it doesn’t have the power to grant eternal absolution from earthly pain, but at least flowers are real. We must cultivate our garden.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    From the Onion

    Church Cancelled Due to Lack of God

    The South—Parishioners of Pastor Theo Leobald’s First Congregational Church of Holy Christ In Heaven will not meet next Sunday morning for a coffee social and morning Bible study as they do every week, gathering in fellowship and offering thanks and praise to God on high. The reason for the cancellation? Simply the fact that, according to Leobald, God does not now, has never, and will never exist.

    The Church of Holy Christ In Heaven will soon change its name to the Church of Imaginary Make-Believe Land.

    When asked why he is convinced of God’s nonexistence, Leobald became visibly irritated with reporters.

    “What’re you, an illiterate peasant? Aren’t you familiar with 20th century thinking at all? Christ, read a book, or maybe just think about the idea for a minute. Pretty ridiculous, huh?” he said.

    When pressed, however, he sighed heavily, and explained that thousands of years ago, tribes of nomadic desert peoples made up God because, being incapable of scientific reasoning due to caveman-like existences, they had no other way of making sense of things like sunshine, rocks and pork-transmitted trichinosis.

    “They made it all up, and they were ignorant, unwashed, half-naked pre-historic barbarians,” Leobald said. “So who are you gonna believe: Carl Sagan, and the pantheon of the world’s greatest scientific and intellectual minds, or some guy who measured wealth by how many goats he had?”

    Sagan, according to Leobald, is an “astronomer” in a big city far, far away who writes what are known as “books.”

    “I just felt like an idiot saying all that nonsense week in, week out. What’s the point of singing hymns of joyous adoration to a fictional entity?” Leobald said.

    “Why convene to donate time, money and personal resources to a being which exists only in fabulous legends and mythological ancient texts? If we were to keep doing that, week after week, why, we’d feel ridiculous, wouldn’t we? Plus, we’d look pretty stupid as well. It’d be like talking to a wall, and frankly, I’ve got better things to do with my time. And I sincerely hope all of you do too.”

    Although reactions among community members to Leobald’s decision have been varied, most have been positive.

    “I never really liked getting up that early on the weekend anyway, but continued to do so out of gripping fear of having my entrails eternally ripped out by flaming scimitars after death,” Gregory H. Tensdale, 51, said. “But now that I know it’s all just pretend, I am no longer terrified.”

    Tensdale concluded by adding that the uncomfortable dress-up clothes he has always detested will be on the trash heap by sundown, and that he fully expects to stay clad only in underwear until well after the game on Sundays from now on.

    “I enjoyed the lovely singing during church service, and was very sad to see it go, particularly because I am a lonely septuagenarian waiting to die,” Mabel Graskowsky, 78, said. “But then Pastor explained to me that there are groups who get together just for singing only, and I could go to any one I wanted whenever I wished. Just singing! None of that boring inbetween stuff I always slept through. I’m much happier now.”

    Not all opinions were as supportive.

    “Who cares if God isn’t real? I say worship him anyway,” School Board Member Fred Nichtenhausen said. “After all, every grown-up man and woman knows Santa Claus isn’t real, yet we worship him every year on Christmas, the Holy Day of Santa’s birth, as prophesied by Nostradamus.”

    Added junior high school student Curt Mondaham, who was unimpressed with the pastor’s speech, “Big deal. He’s just saying the same thing Neil Peart’s been saying for years.”

    For those who still want to worship, if not God, but just something, Leobald has started a Sunday morning group called The Church of Imaginary Make-Believe Land, where churchgoers will have their choice of nonexistent beings to submit to. Some of the worship selections include Poseidon, super-agent James Bond and fabled storybook character Peter Pan. “I’m worshipping Peter Pan,” Gladys Fye, 108, said. “I do so love his adorable little pointed green shoes. Oh, that Tinkerbell with her magic dust!”

    For his part though, Leobald says he will not be attending.

    “I’m meeting once a week, not Sundays but on Wednesdays, with anyone who cares to join me. We won’t be worshipping anybody, just practicing my favorite hobby, horticulture. I’ll admit, it doesn’t have the power to grant eternal absolution from earthly pain, but at least flowers are real. We must cultivate our garden.”


     
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    i had to step away for a while but i do recall seeing one of the tough questions about christianity, perhaps posted by KK, that was a good example of what the original poster was requesting.  if you have to accept jesus christ as your savior to get into heaven, what f al of the people who lived prior to jesus christ?  were they just fucked due to bad timing?  did that question get answered?  
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i had to step away for a while but i do recall seeing one of the tough questions about christianity, perhaps posted by KK, that was a good example of what the original poster was requesting.  if you have to accept jesus christ as your savior to get into heaven, what f al of the people who lived prior to jesus christ?  were they just fucked due to bad timing?  did that question get answered?  

    Oh, according to bi-law 3117, god will take that into consideration when judging...we don't need to worry about those people, they will get a pass...
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    i had to step away for a while but i do recall seeing one of the tough questions about christianity, perhaps posted by KK, that was a good example of what the original poster was requesting.  if you have to accept jesus christ as your savior to get into heaven, what f al of the people who lived prior to jesus christ?  were they just fucked due to bad timing?  did that question get answered?  

    Oh, according to bi-law 3117, god will take that into consideration when judging...we don't need to worry about those people, they will get a pass...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Oh, according to bi-law 3117, god will take that into consideration when judging...we don't need to worry about those people, they will get a pass...

    But it doesn't make sense that any people should exist before the bible... yet they do... this is yet another example of science revealing facts and Christians molding them into their interpretation of the bible so they fit in and don't debunk it.
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    Oh, according to bi-law 3117, god will take that into consideration when judging...we don't need to worry about those people, they will get a pass...

    But it doesn't make sense that any people should exist before the bible... yet they do... this is yet another example of science revealing facts and Christians molding them into their interpretation of the bible so they fit in and don't debunk it.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i had to step away for a while but i do recall seeing one of the tough questions about christianity, perhaps posted by KK, that was a good example of what the original poster was requesting.  if you have to accept jesus christ as your savior to get into heaven, what f al of the people who lived prior to jesus christ?  were they just unlucky due to bad timing?  did that question get answered?  

    I'm not sure if it got anwered, oh and I cleaned up your question a tad, got rid of one obscene word but anyway to answer your question, all those people prior to Jesus Christ have not been punished by God.

    For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and didn not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. ---Romans 3:23-26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

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    i had to step away for a while but i do recall seeing one of the tough questions about christianity, perhaps posted by KK, that was a good example of what the original poster was requesting.  if you have to accept jesus christ as your savior to get into heaven, what f al of the people who lived prior to jesus christ?  were they just unlucky due to bad timing?  did that question get answered?  

    I'm not sure if it got anwered, oh and I cleaned up your question a tad, got rid of one obscene word but anyway to answer your question, all those people prior to Jesus Christ have not been punished by God.

    For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and didn not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. ---Romans 3:23-26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     
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    Correction: God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    I'm not sure if it got anwered, oh and I cleaned up your question a tad, got rid of one obscene word but anyway to answer your question, all those people prior to Jesus Christ have not been punished by God.

    For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and didn not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. ---Romans 3:23-26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


    How was jesus a sacrifice Didn't he supposedly rise after three days Wow, some sacrifice   

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    I'm not sure if it got anwered, oh and I cleaned up your question a tad, got rid of one obscene word but anyway to answer your question, all those people prior to Jesus Christ have not been punished by God.

    For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and didn not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. ---Romans 3:23-26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


    How was jesus a sacrifice Didn't he supposedly rise after three days Wow, some sacrifice   

     
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    If religion is so great, why does it pull people apart instead of bring them together??????????????



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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Oh, according to bi-law 3117, god will take that into consideration when judging...we don't need to worry about those people, they will get a pass...

    i forgot about that one.  hard to keep everything straight with all of these loopholes. 
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    Oh, according to bi-law 3117, god will take that into consideration when judging...we don't need to worry about those people, they will get a pass...

    i forgot about that one.  hard to keep everything straight with all of these loopholes. 
     
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    Why Am I Here? - A Fundamental Question
    Why am I here on earth? Where did I come from? What am I worth? Do I have any intrinsic value? Do I serve a purpose? These are all fundamental questions. They are life's "big questions." How you answer these questions determines how you see the world and how you treat the world. Because you are a part of the world, how you see the world also determines how you see and treat yourself. So, it's important that we resolve these fundamental questions. And it's important that we discover the honest truth. Wrong answers to important questions aren't helpful.

    Where do we begin in our search for the truth? We begin at the beginning. Perhaps the most fundamental question is: does God exist? It's fundamental because our answers to the other "big questions" actually hinge on how we answer this significant question. For example…

    Why Am I Here? - The Atheistic Worldview
    Why I am here? Well, if God doesn't exist, that means that life must have come about through some natural impersonal, unintelligent, and ultimately purposeless process. That means we're ultimately as purposeless as the very process which brought us into existence. Life's just an accident and so are you. You can find short term reasons for living like you're here because your parents wanted to have children, etc., but ultimately you're just an accident and so are your parents. Life is one big accident. You serve no purpose, you'll cause no lasting effect, and in the grand scheme of things your life is utterly meaningless. Without a Creator in the beginning, there was nobody around to put you here on purpose which means you aren't here for a reason. It's that simple.

    As far as asking "what am I worth," without God we don't actually have an intrinsic value, at least not an objective one. Our worth is ultimately subjective. You might think you're worth something but someone else might think you're worthless, and as long as there's no transcendent Assessor to have the final say, no one's ultimately right or wrong. In fact, without God there's really no such thing as right or wrong. John Dewey (1859-1952), the famous 20th century atheist explained, "There is no God and there is no soul. Hence, there are no needs for the props of traditional religion. With dogma and creed excluded, then immutable truth is also dead and buried. There is no room for fixed, natural law or moral absolutes."1

    Philosophers generally agree: without an absolute God to make the rules, there is no such thing as a moral absolute; there are only preferences. You don't actually have a right to live; you just prefer not to die. Someone else on the other hand might want to kill you regardless of how you feel about it, and who is to say that they're wrong? In the absence of absolute morality, power reigns supreme; the strong survive and the weak get exploited.

    Thankfully most governments see it as their duty to uphold what they see as your God-given right to live, and governments also happen to be the strongest institution among men (which means they can enforce morality upon those who don't necessarily agree with your right to live). The founders of the United States of America put it well when they declared, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…" Unfortunately, some governments don't share this worldview and their people suffer terribly for it.

    Why Am I Here? - The Theistic Worldview
    Why am I here? Well, if God does exist, that means He is ultimate reality. If He created you for a reason, that's ultimately why your here. If you're valuable to Him, that's ultimately what you're worth. What He says is right is absolutely right and what He says is wrong is absolutely wrong. We may be free moral agents with the freedom to make moral decisions, but that doesn't mean we can choose what actually is right or wrong; that just means we're capable of choosing to be right or wrong. God makes the rules. The question is: will He enforce them? Will God ever hold us accountable for our moral decisions? The prevailing instinct among the majority seems to be that, yes, God will hold us accountable. It's as if most people instinctually know that one day they're going to have to explain all the bad things they've done (which of course means that they also instinctually know that there is such a thing as moral absolutes).

    The point is, if God really does exist, terms like "justice," "purpose," and "morality" aren't abstract notions: God has a purpose for you (that's why He made you), He's the one who instituted morality, and in the end He'll see that justice prevails. That's a comforting thought to some, but it's terrifying to others.

    So don't begin by asking, "Why am I here?" Begin by asking, "Does God exist?" If He doesn't exist there's really no point in asking "why am I here?" - everything is ultimately pointless. And if He does exist, you'll discover your reason for living when you discover who He is. So begin at the beginning. Does God exist?

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    Why Am I Here? - A Fundamental Question
    Why am I here on earth? Where did I come from? What am I worth? Do I have any intrinsic value? Do I serve a purpose? These are all fundamental questions. They are life's "big questions." How you answer these questions determines how you see the world and how you treat the world. Because you are a part of the world, how you see the world also determines how you see and treat yourself. So, it's important that we resolve these fundamental questions. And it's important that we discover the honest truth. Wrong answers to important questions aren't helpful.

    Where do we begin in our search for the truth? We begin at the beginning. Perhaps the most fundamental question is: does God exist? It's fundamental because our answers to the other "big questions" actually hinge on how we answer this significant question. For example…

    Why Am I Here? - The Atheistic Worldview
    Why I am here? Well, if God doesn't exist, that means that life must have come about through some natural impersonal, unintelligent, and ultimately purposeless process. That means we're ultimately as purposeless as the very process which brought us into existence. Life's just an accident and so are you. You can find short term reasons for living like you're here because your parents wanted to have children, etc., but ultimately you're just an accident and so are your parents. Life is one big accident. You serve no purpose, you'll cause no lasting effect, and in the grand scheme of things your life is utterly meaningless. Without a Creator in the beginning, there was nobody around to put you here on purpose which means you aren't here for a reason. It's that simple.

    As far as asking "what am I worth," without God we don't actually have an intrinsic value, at least not an objective one. Our worth is ultimately subjective. You might think you're worth something but someone else might think you're worthless, and as long as there's no transcendent Assessor to have the final say, no one's ultimately right or wrong. In fact, without God there's really no such thing as right or wrong. John Dewey (1859-1952), the famous 20th century atheist explained, "There is no God and there is no soul. Hence, there are no needs for the props of traditional religion. With dogma and creed excluded, then immutable truth is also dead and buried. There is no room for fixed, natural law or moral absolutes."1

    Philosophers generally agree: without an absolute God to make the rules, there is no such thing as a moral absolute; there are only preferences. You don't actually have a right to live; you just prefer not to die. Someone else on the other hand might want to kill you regardless of how you feel about it, and who is to say that they're wrong? In the absence of absolute morality, power reigns supreme; the strong survive and the weak get exploited.

    Thankfully most governments see it as their duty to uphold what they see as your God-given right to live, and governments also happen to be the strongest institution among men (which means they can enforce morality upon those who don't necessarily agree with your right to live). The founders of the United States of America put it well when they declared, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…" Unfortunately, some governments don't share this worldview and their people suffer terribly for it.

    Why Am I Here? - The Theistic Worldview
    Why am I here? Well, if God does exist, that means He is ultimate reality. If He created you for a reason, that's ultimately why your here. If you're valuable to Him, that's ultimately what you're worth. What He says is right is absolutely right and what He says is wrong is absolutely wrong. We may be free moral agents with the freedom to make moral decisions, but that doesn't mean we can choose what actually is right or wrong; that just means we're capable of choosing to be right or wrong. God makes the rules. The question is: will He enforce them? Will God ever hold us accountable for our moral decisions? The prevailing instinct among the majority seems to be that, yes, God will hold us accountable. It's as if most people instinctually know that one day they're going to have to explain all the bad things they've done (which of course means that they also instinctually know that there is such a thing as moral absolutes).

    The point is, if God really does exist, terms like "justice," "purpose," and "morality" aren't abstract notions: God has a purpose for you (that's why He made you), He's the one who instituted morality, and in the end He'll see that justice prevails. That's a comforting thought to some, but it's terrifying to others.

    So don't begin by asking, "Why am I here?" Begin by asking, "Does God exist?" If He doesn't exist there's really no point in asking "why am I here?" - everything is ultimately pointless. And if He does exist, you'll discover your reason for living when you discover who He is. So begin at the beginning. Does God exist?

     
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    You could at least site your source next time.

    https://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/why-am-i-here.htm

    And the only value one's live has is what they put on it. God or no God, your purpose on this planet is what you give it.

    Like i said before, you need God to exist to give your life meaning, then that must really really suck. I'm so glad i don't live my life like that.
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    https://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/why-am-i-here.htm

    And the only value one's live has is what they put on it. God or no God, your purpose on this planet is what you give it.

    Like i said before, you need God to exist to give your life meaning, then that must really really suck. I'm so glad i don't live my life like that.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:

    You could at least site your source next time.

    https://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/why-am-i-here.htm

    And the only value one's live has is what they put on it. God or no God, your purpose on this planet is what you give it.

    Like i said before, you need God to exist to give your life meaning, then that must really really suck. I'm so glad i don't live my life like that.

    Just tried to give a balanced view there from both sides.

    I must admit, i agree with his views.

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    You could at least site your source next time.

    https://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/why-am-i-here.htm

    And the only value one's live has is what they put on it. God or no God, your purpose on this planet is what you give it.

    Like i said before, you need God to exist to give your life meaning, then that must really really suck. I'm so glad i don't live my life like that.

    Just tried to give a balanced view there from both sides.

    I must admit, i agree with his views.

     
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    Good mornin' everybody!...My Christian brothers & sisters, the irresolutors & the heathens!, how is everyone today on this fine, beautiful 6th day of June?...I'm fine myself thankyou!

    Let me start today with the Lord's prayer. For you irresolutors & heathens, feel free to join in. Ok let's bow our heads and pray.

    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever, Amen.----Matthew 6:9:13

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    Good mornin' everybody!...My Christian brothers & sisters, the irresolutors & the heathens!, how is everyone today on this fine, beautiful 6th day of June?...I'm fine myself thankyou!

    Let me start today with the Lord's prayer. For you irresolutors & heathens, feel free to join in. Ok let's bow our heads and pray.

    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever, Amen.----Matthew 6:9:13

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    The Book of Daniel

    The author was Daniel, written around 535 B.C., recording events between 605 and 535 B.C.

    A stranger is a strange land, Daniel lived during a time when the Jewish people seemed to have little hope. They were living as captives in Babylon, hundreds of miles from home, with only promises from God that they would ever see their homeland again. In this book, Daniel and his friends are taken to Babylon as young men. Although they were captives, they received an excellent education and rose to high positions in the Babylonian and Persian governments. Because of their faith in the God of Israel, they were persecuted and even sentenced to die. God had several other encounters with King Nebuchadnezzar, and God revealed his sovereignty in each instance. The second half of the book records Daniel's visions of future events. These dreams and the stories of Daniel and his friends provided encouragement for the person to remain faithful to God in the midst of persecution.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    The Book of Daniel

    The author was Daniel, written around 535 B.C., recording events between 605 and 535 B.C.

    A stranger is a strange land, Daniel lived during a time when the Jewish people seemed to have little hope. They were living as captives in Babylon, hundreds of miles from home, with only promises from God that they would ever see their homeland again. In this book, Daniel and his friends are taken to Babylon as young men. Although they were captives, they received an excellent education and rose to high positions in the Babylonian and Persian governments. Because of their faith in the God of Israel, they were persecuted and even sentenced to die. God had several other encounters with King Nebuchadnezzar, and God revealed his sovereignty in each instance. The second half of the book records Daniel's visions of future events. These dreams and the stories of Daniel and his friends provided encouragement for the person to remain faithful to God in the midst of persecution.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Correction: A stranger in a strang land,

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    Correction: A stranger in a strange land,

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    Why Were You BORN?

    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 20 of 23. What Spiritual Righteous Character Is

    Perfect character, such as God is creating in us, will result in a person finally made immortal, who is a separate entity from God; who, through independent free choice has come to know, and to choose, and to do, what is right. And that means to believe and know that what God instructs is what is right.

    Inanimate rocks will roll downhill by power of gravity. Water runs in its channels through creeks and rivers into oceans. Great planets, some many times larger than the earth, must travel in God's ordained course. These things are marvelous examples of the creative power of God. Yet these things are inanimate---they have no mind, no free choice, no character.

    Animals do not sin. They do not know enough to sin. They act by instinct, or according to training of others. They do not have this character.

    Character is the possession and practice of love, patience, mercy, faith, kindness, gentleness, meekness, temperance, self-restraint, and right self-direction. Character involves knowledge, wisdon, purpose, ability, all properly controlled and developed, and through independent choice.

    Holy, righteous character is something that is developed only through experience. Experience requires time, and circumstances. And so God creates time and God creates circumstances which produce character.

    So God first formed out of dust---out of matter--the flesh-and-blood man, in the image of God ("image" in Genesis 1:27 means form, or shape, not composition). And through seven thousand years of experience, God is taking the human family through a process, the results of which, even "as we have borne the image of the earthy [mortal Adam], we shall also bear the image of the heavenly"---Christ Jesus immortal, the "second" Adam---(1 Cor. 15:49).

    Yes, once fashioned, shaped, molded according to God's purpose, even we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is (1 John 3:1-2).

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    Why Were You BORN?

    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 20 of 23. What Spiritual Righteous Character Is

    Perfect character, such as God is creating in us, will result in a person finally made immortal, who is a separate entity from God; who, through independent free choice has come to know, and to choose, and to do, what is right. And that means to believe and know that what God instructs is what is right.

    Inanimate rocks will roll downhill by power of gravity. Water runs in its channels through creeks and rivers into oceans. Great planets, some many times larger than the earth, must travel in God's ordained course. These things are marvelous examples of the creative power of God. Yet these things are inanimate---they have no mind, no free choice, no character.

    Animals do not sin. They do not know enough to sin. They act by instinct, or according to training of others. They do not have this character.

    Character is the possession and practice of love, patience, mercy, faith, kindness, gentleness, meekness, temperance, self-restraint, and right self-direction. Character involves knowledge, wisdon, purpose, ability, all properly controlled and developed, and through independent choice.

    Holy, righteous character is something that is developed only through experience. Experience requires time, and circumstances. And so God creates time and God creates circumstances which produce character.

    So God first formed out of dust---out of matter--the flesh-and-blood man, in the image of God ("image" in Genesis 1:27 means form, or shape, not composition). And through seven thousand years of experience, God is taking the human family through a process, the results of which, even "as we have borne the image of the earthy [mortal Adam], we shall also bear the image of the heavenly"---Christ Jesus immortal, the "second" Adam---(1 Cor. 15:49).

    Yes, once fashioned, shaped, molded according to God's purpose, even we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is (1 John 3:1-2).

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake]

    The Book of Daniel

    The author was Daniel, written around 535 B.C., recording events between 605 and 535 B.C.

    A stranger is a strange land, Daniel lived during a time when the Jewish people seemed to have little hope. They were living as captives in Babylon, hundreds of miles from home, with only promises from God that they would ever see their homeland again. In this book, Daniel and his friends are taken to Babylon as young men. Although they were captives, they received an excellent education and rose to high positions in the Babylonian and Persian governments. Because of their faith in the God of Israel, they were persecuted and even sentenced to die. God had several other encounters with King Nebuchadnezzar, and God revealed his sovereignty in each instance. The second half of the book records Daniel's visions of future events. These dreams and the stories of Daniel and his friends provided encouragement for the person to remain faithful to God in the midst of persecution.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

    Daniel Chapter 5

    539 B.C.

    5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.

    Brother John, Praise  the Lord All Mighty, HALLELUJAH!!!!   The Lord has spoken to me today and told me you would be posting from the book of Daniel today. Jehovah also told me that Demons are surrounding your spirit and to rid yourself of them you must post on this thread 666 times "I believe in the floating hand". Do it now Brother John before the Demons enter your soul!

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake]

    The Book of Daniel

    The author was Daniel, written around 535 B.C., recording events between 605 and 535 B.C.

    A stranger is a strange land, Daniel lived during a time when the Jewish people seemed to have little hope. They were living as captives in Babylon, hundreds of miles from home, with only promises from God that they would ever see their homeland again. In this book, Daniel and his friends are taken to Babylon as young men. Although they were captives, they received an excellent education and rose to high positions in the Babylonian and Persian governments. Because of their faith in the God of Israel, they were persecuted and even sentenced to die. God had several other encounters with King Nebuchadnezzar, and God revealed his sovereignty in each instance. The second half of the book records Daniel's visions of future events. These dreams and the stories of Daniel and his friends provided encouragement for the person to remain faithful to God in the midst of persecution.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

    Daniel Chapter 5

    539 B.C.

    5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.

    Brother John, Praise  the Lord All Mighty, HALLELUJAH!!!!   The Lord has spoken to me today and told me you would be posting from the book of Daniel today. Jehovah also told me that Demons are surrounding your spirit and to rid yourself of them you must post on this thread 666 times "I believe in the floating hand". Do it now Brother John before the Demons enter your soul!

     
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    I love SJD corrections after every post.

    He cut and pastes a post, and then posts a correction to every cut and paste.

    You have to love a correction for posts that nobody reads in the first place.

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    I love SJD corrections after every post.

    He cut and pastes a post, and then posts a correction to every cut and paste.

    You have to love a correction for posts that nobody reads in the first place.

     
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    your not reading responses, what a relief i was worried you were stupid or something

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    your not reading responses, what a relief i was worried you were stupid or something

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    your not reading responses, what a relief i was worried you were stupid or something

    People that dont use the proper version of the word "you're" shouldn't be calling other people stupid.

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    your not reading responses, what a relief i was worried you were stupid or something

    People that dont use the proper version of the word "you're" shouldn't be calling other people stupid.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:

    And the only value one's live has is what they put on it. God or no God, your purpose on this planet is what you give it.

    Like i said before, you need God to exist to give your life meaning, then that must really really suck. I'm so glad i don't live my life like that.

    Your attitude is that you think you are good enough as you are.

    God says you are bad enough---by nature. Man in his natural state does wicked deeds, thinks evil thoughts, goes to bad places, rejects Jesus Christ---because he has an evil heart, No one is naturally good. If you are good, why not become acquainted with Jesus, who is supremely good?

    Joyful are those who listen to me, watching for me daily at my gates, waiting for me outside my home! For whoever finds me finds life and receives favor from the Lord. But those who miss me injure themselves. All who hate me love death." ---Proverbs 8:34-36

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:

    And the only value one's live has is what they put on it. God or no God, your purpose on this planet is what you give it.

    Like i said before, you need God to exist to give your life meaning, then that must really really suck. I'm so glad i don't live my life like that.

    Your attitude is that you think you are good enough as you are.

    God says you are bad enough---by nature. Man in his natural state does wicked deeds, thinks evil thoughts, goes to bad places, rejects Jesus Christ---because he has an evil heart, No one is naturally good. If you are good, why not become acquainted with Jesus, who is supremely good?

    Joyful are those who listen to me, watching for me daily at my gates, waiting for me outside my home! For whoever finds me finds life and receives favor from the Lord. But those who miss me injure themselves. All who hate me love death." ---Proverbs 8:34-36

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

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