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I have no problem with that. Giving the title of "God" to that which created the universe is perfectly reasonable. The problems arise when people try to attribute purpose and reason for the creation of the universe and mankind and life. When people try and say there is a god that answers prayers and intervenes with our lives. When people try and say there is life after life, which is impossible, because if there is life after life, then you aren't past life yet.

So you have no problem in a creator of the universe, but that creator has NO purpose? What the?

Was he just bored and had nothing to do?

 
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People want me to believe that something ( the reason anything exists) came to earth in a human costume. Staged his own birth, life, death, resurrection, decided not to write any of it down himself and demand that we believe 2nd and 3rd handed accounts that have been edited and re-translated over 100's of years. Then will punish on the crime of not beleving in impossible nonsense.
 
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What about psychopaths that have no conscience?

God will judge everyone RIGHTLY.

It seems you are applying the same standards of how a judge on this earth will judge people and how God will judge people based on evidence, witnesses etc.

God knows what is in our hearts, our minds and our thoughts. So God the judge has access that NO judge on earth has. So therefore God will judge rightly.

If a child was abused sexually and then turns out to be a abuser when they grow older, God knows what is in there hearts, minds, history etc etc and will judge accordingly

 
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1. The creator of the universe is whatever created it. It doesn't have to be an intelligent being. And, no there doesn't have to be a purpose. I can't think of one reason why there MUST be a purpose.

2. Conveniently you pick out one example that leads unintelligent people to god. How about the fact that god caused lightning? We figured that one out didn't we. God caused earthquakes? We answered that too. God created adam and eve? Wait, no he didn't. Just a few of many examples of questions previously answered by god, that we discovered the true answer to. So, you fail.
 
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But god can't judge someone based on their conscience if they don't have a conscience. You just contradicted yourself. "God knows what's in our hearts, minds, etc." What if there's nothing there? A psychopath has no ability to reason. How can god judge him based on his actions if GOD DIDN'T GIVE HIM THE ABILITY TO THINK.
 
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It must be Rostos shift.

He takes over for SJD on the crazy train.

It must be difficult to come up with the bullshit you post.

Quickie for you Rostos:

IF YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER COMMAND YOU TO STEAL, WHAT DO YOU DO?

You stated you should follow the 10 commandments literally.  How do you do that?

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Neither does the bible. All your claimed "prophecies" are BULLSHIT.

Time had a beginning, The universe had a beginning, The universe is expanding, Water cycle described, etc etc etc.....I can go on and on......

Only through technology have we learnt the above......There are so ao ao many more that it would have been impossible to know back then without God's word...

Does Harry Potter books describe things that we can only confirm through technology?

 
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I'm an atheist and I don't believe something came from nothing. I don't believe your story about what that something is.

So u dont believe the universe popped into existence from nothing?

Then what do u believe?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So u dont believe the universe popped into existence from nothing?

Then what do u believe?


YOU BELIEVE GOD POPPED INTO EXISTENCE FROM NOTHING. IT'S THE SAME THING. Neither side can make that argument.
 
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It must be Rostos shift.

He takes over for SJD on the crazy train.

It must be difficult to come up with the bullshit you post.

Quickie for you Rostos:

IF YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER COMMAND YOU TO STEAL, WHAT DO YOU DO?

You stated you should follow the 10 commandments literally.  How do you do that?


Rostos just says things and doesn't realize when he's talking in circles. I'm just gonna disregard what he says from now on and only respond to those that actually try and make intelligent arguments.

IF YOU WANT TO USE THE BIBLE TO ARGUE, YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH PARTS OF THE BIBLE TO USE. YOU EITHER SUPPORT ALL OF IT OR NONE OF IT. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE PROPHECIES, YOU MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE PARTS OF THE BIBLE THAT VANZACK AND SYSTEM HAVE POSTED AND RESPOND TO THOSE AS WELL.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

1. The creator of the universe is whatever created it. It doesn't have to be an intelligent being. And, no there doesn't have to be a purpose. I can't think of one reason why there MUST be a purpose.

2. Conveniently you pick out one example that leads unintelligent people to god. How about the fact that god caused lightning? We figured that one out didn't we. God caused earthquakes? We answered that too. God created adam and eve? Wait, no he didn't. Just a few of many examples of questions previously answered by god, that we discovered the true answer to. So, you fail.

1. So, when a father build a house for his family, he doesnt build it so his family can live in it, love each other and follow the rules of the house? or does the father build the house just for fun, something to do and whoever lives in it, can do what they want, piss on the walls, shit in the hallway? Cmon man, have a think about it.

2. God creates life and he can take it whenever he wants. I think God does that so we cant "cheat it". For example, if someone says, i will sin all my life and when it comes to the end, i will just repent. If no one knows when they will die and it can happen anytime and natural disasters are a big part of it, then suddenly we should all be aware and live a good life and not rely on repenting at the end.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

But god can't judge someone based on their conscience if they don't have a conscience. You just contradicted yourself. "God knows what's in our hearts, minds, etc." What if there's nothing there? A psychopath has no ability to reason. How can god judge him based on his actions if GOD DIDN'T GIVE HIM THE ABILITY TO THINK.

EVERYONE has a consience.Everyone. The murders and child molsters dont listen to it. They have a choice. Everyone has been tempted to do something bad, some listen to theres and some dont.

Again, only God can get into everyones inner thoughts and feelings....No judge here or human can do that

 
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Rostos -

You are crazy.

I suggest you go back to your NBA fix theories.  You sound more sane there.

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1. Now you're applying standards of this world to god, again contradicting your own arguments.

2. Actually, no. It's a medical condition. Yes, technically they have consciences, but they are physically and mentally unable to access them. So, they have utterly no choice, but to live without the ability to reason. God did this to them...right?

You see how hard it is for you to come up with a reason for why god would create life and do the things he does. It's really easy for me. I just say no one created it. Makes things a lot simpler and make a lot more sense. You keep trying to figure out why god does things. I'll keep remembering that the entire world is an accident.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

It must be Rostos shift.

He takes over for SJD on the crazy train.

It must be difficult to come up with the bullshit you post.

Quickie for you Rostos:

IF YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER COMMAND YOU TO STEAL, WHAT DO YOU DO?

You stated you should follow the 10 commandments literally.  How do you do that?

if i am a little boy and doesnt know the difference between good and bad, then i steal. Again, if i am a little boy, 5-8 or 9 years of age i assume. Once i know that stealing is wrong and i continue to steal then yes it is wrong. Again, a young boy especially if taught that stealing is right will get judged accordingly. Once he knows it is wrong , then it becomes different.

ONLY God knows my state of mind, thoughts and feelings and will judge accordingly.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Rostos -

You are crazy.

I suggest you go back to your NBA fix theories.  You sound more sane there.

Sincerely,

Vanzack


At least he has evidence there. He has the game, the foul calls, and the outcome. He can at least formulate valid arguments. What does he have here? A book full of contradictions?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

if i am a little boy and doesnt know the difference between good and bad, then i steal. Again, if i am a little boy, 5-8 or 9 years of age i assume. Once i know that stealing is wrong and i continue to steal then yes it is wrong. Again, a young boy especially if taught that stealing is right will get judged accordingly. Once he knows it is wrong , then it becomes different.

ONLY God knows my state of mind, thoughts and feelings and will judge accordingly.

 


So, the boy, after learning that stealing is bad, should disobey his parents if they command him to steal? Is that accurate?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


YOU BELIEVE GOD POPPED INTO EXISTENCE FROM NOTHING. IT'S THE SAME THING. Neither side can make that argument.

I have been through this before, cant u just accept it?

Why are u applying the same laws of physics, etc etc of this world to the eternal world? Yes, i have faith in the eternal world, but you cant apply the same laws...cmon man, u should know this by now

 
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I do know this, but you can't make an argument for why an eternal world exists, so your argument fails before it even begins.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

1. Now you're applying standards of this world to god, again contradicting your own arguments.

2. Actually, no. It's a medical condition. Yes, technically they have consciences, but they are physically and mentally unable to access them. So, they have utterly no choice, but to live without the ability to reason. God did this to them...right?

You see how hard it is for you to come up with a reason for why god would create life and do the things he does. It's really easy for me. I just say no one created it. Makes things a lot simpler and make a lot more sense. You keep trying to figure out why god does things. I'll keep remembering that the entire world is an accident.

Just leave it to God to Judge.....Its as simple as that

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Just leave it to God to Judge.....Its as simple as that


And that sums it up. Don't question. Just accept. Hey God, can you hear me? GO FUCK YOURSELF. I HOPE YOU DROP DEAD YOU STUPID FUCK. You give me a brain and the ability to critical think and then command me not to use it. You're a fucking asshole. I hope you create something that can beat the shit out of you.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


So, the boy, after learning that stealing is bad, should disobey his parents if they command him to steal? Is that accurate?

Absolutely. I am a grown man, if my parents tell me to steal something, i will say no.

Jesus says to obey your parents, if they are telling me to steal, God knows this, thats all you need to know.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

I do know this, but you can't make an argument for why an eternal world exists, so your argument fails before it even begins.

The bible says the world had a beginning, everyone thought the world was eternal, but the bible says it has a beginning, the bible is correct. The bible also says God created the heavans and the earth. So if 1 part is right, the other is right as well. I believe, have faith

 
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Posted: #849
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So u dont believe the universe popped into existence from nothing?

Then what do u believe?




No atheist believes that. Stop with the dishonest strawman. I don't have any religious or supernatural beliefs currently.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

The bible says the world had a beginning, everyone thought the world was eternal, but the bible says it has a beginning, the bible is correct. The bible also says God created the heavans and the earth. So if 1 part is right, the other is right as well. I believe, have faith


But the bible has a bunch of bullshit stories as well. How do we know that's not one of them?
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