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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 5:58 PM ET #426

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The Book of Genesis

    The author of Genesis was Moses written 1450-1410 B.C.

    As it name implies, Genesis is the book of beginnings. It starts with the creation of the world and every living creature in it. It records the first marriage, the first sin, the first consequences of sin, and the first reference to God's future plan to redeem humanity. After recounting the stories of the Flood and the Tower of Babel, Genesis also tells the story of the birth of a nation---Israel. The story begins as God calls Abraham, the father of the Israelites, to leave his hometown, Ur (located in modern-day Iraq), and move to Canaan--the land God promised his decendants. Eventually, the Redeemer of the world would come from the decendants of Abraham. The story then shifts to the exploits of Isaac, Abraham's son, and then to Jacob, Abraham's grandson. Genesis concludes with the remarkable experiences of Joseph.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

    Some of my favorite parts of Genesis:

    Genesis 3:16 Says that all women must suffer great pains during child birth due to Eve eating the fruit of knowledge. (As if it is somehow just that humans should pay for their ancestor’s sins nor is a woman dying in labor some how befitting of a crime she did not commit.) The verse finishes of by saying a husband shall “rule” over his woman, stripping us off all power in between the sexes.

    Genesis 19:8 Tells of a man named Lot who offers his daughters to a crowd of would be angel rapers. Later, Lot impregnates his own daughters after God kills his wife for simply looking back at the remains of her city.

    Genesis 38:16-24 Tells a very interesting story of a man named Judah whom lived with his widowed daughter in law. His daughter in law was grieving and wearing the veils of mourning which Judah (a rather stupid man) mistook for the clothing of a prostitute. He ended up impregnating his daughter in law and she left the city. On a later date Judah sees the young woman again and demanded she be burned for being a prostitute (I like how only the woman is punished when THEY BOTH engaged in the sexual act). It wasn’t until Judah recognized the woman as his daughter in law and she was with his child, that he decided not to kill her. Basically, Judah can commit incest, use a prostitute (in his mistaken perception), and impregnate a MUCH younger woman, yet he thinks she is the one deserving of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The Book of Genesis

    The author of Genesis was Moses written 1450-1410 B.C.

    As it name implies, Genesis is the book of beginnings. It starts with the creation of the world and every living creature in it. It records the first marriage, the first sin, the first consequences of sin, and the first reference to God's future plan to redeem humanity. After recounting the stories of the Flood and the Tower of Babel, Genesis also tells the story of the birth of a nation---Israel. The story begins as God calls Abraham, the father of the Israelites, to leave his hometown, Ur (located in modern-day Iraq), and move to Canaan--the land God promised his decendants. Eventually, the Redeemer of the world would come from the decendants of Abraham. The story then shifts to the exploits of Isaac, Abraham's son, and then to Jacob, Abraham's grandson. Genesis concludes with the remarkable experiences of Joseph.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

    Some of my favorite parts of Genesis:

    Genesis 3:16 Says that all women must suffer great pains during child birth due to Eve eating the fruit of knowledge. (As if it is somehow just that humans should pay for their ancestor’s sins nor is a woman dying in labor some how befitting of a crime she did not commit.) The verse finishes of by saying a husband shall “rule” over his woman, stripping us off all power in between the sexes.

    Genesis 19:8 Tells of a man named Lot who offers his daughters to a crowd of would be angel rapers. Later, Lot impregnates his own daughters after God kills his wife for simply looking back at the remains of her city.

    Genesis 38:16-24 Tells a very interesting story of a man named Judah whom lived with his widowed daughter in law. His daughter in law was grieving and wearing the veils of mourning which Judah (a rather stupid man) mistook for the clothing of a prostitute. He ended up impregnating his daughter in law and she left the city. On a later date Judah sees the young woman again and demanded she be burned for being a prostitute (I like how only the woman is punished when THEY BOTH engaged in the sexual act). It wasn’t until Judah recognized the woman as his daughter in law and she was with his child, that he decided not to kill her. Basically, Judah can commit incest, use a prostitute (in his mistaken perception), and impregnate a MUCH younger woman, yet he thinks she is the one deserving of death.

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 6:02 PM ET #427

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read.  I don't drive because I have faith.  I drive because I have come to terms with the fact that it's possible I could get hit by someone else and be seriously injured or die.  But the alternative for me (not driving) isn't possible.  It has nothing to do with faith.  It has everything to do with accepting that there are possible bad outcomes from the activity and living with that.  WOW. 

    I also snowmobile.  I've flipped my sled once going around a corner and I've also run into a tree.  Do I sled because I have faith?  No, I sled because I enjoy it and I have come to terms with the risk.

    I can go on and on


    Wow.. Thank you.. 

    Amazing how you got it so fast.. and these guys after 400+ posts dont.. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read.  I don't drive because I have faith.  I drive because I have come to terms with the fact that it's possible I could get hit by someone else and be seriously injured or die.  But the alternative for me (not driving) isn't possible.  It has nothing to do with faith.  It has everything to do with accepting that there are possible bad outcomes from the activity and living with that.  WOW. 

    I also snowmobile.  I've flipped my sled once going around a corner and I've also run into a tree.  Do I sled because I have faith?  No, I sled because I enjoy it and I have come to terms with the risk.

    I can go on and on


    Wow.. Thank you.. 

    Amazing how you got it so fast.. and these guys after 400+ posts dont.. 
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 6:04 PM ET #428

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Let me save them the time:

    John 88:94 - For whosoever can avoideth the question the longest and post scripture to answer everything, will retain the biggest reward in heaven.


    Lame, having to promise rewards to get followers..
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Let me save them the time:

    John 88:94 - For whosoever can avoideth the question the longest and post scripture to answer everything, will retain the biggest reward in heaven.


    Lame, having to promise rewards to get followers..
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 6:43 PM ET #429

    There is no justification for having faith in anything. The way our world exists is one where we don't need to have faith. There is no rational basis or foundation for it. Why should I have faith? Because a book tells me so? I can live my entire life without faith? Give me one good reason why I should have faith.
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    There is no justification for having faith in anything. The way our world exists is one where we don't need to have faith. There is no rational basis or foundation for it. Why should I have faith? Because a book tells me so? I can live my entire life without faith? Give me one good reason why I should have faith.
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 7:36 PM ET #430

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    There is no justification for having faith in anything. The way our world exists is one where we don't need to have faith. There is no rational basis or foundation for it. Why should I have faith? Because a book tells me so? I can live my entire life without faith? Give me one good reason why I should have faith.

    You are on a gambling website ( i havent seen you post plays but i assume you gamble otherwise you wouldnt be here) and you dont have faith?  

    This website has sunk to new lows. That is the most ridicolous thing i have ever heard.

    So when you back a team to win, YOU DONT HAVE FAITH they are gonna turn up ready to win? You dont have faith that the refs are gonnna call a fair game? You starting to get the picture? Do you HAVE 100% proof or evidence that the team you back isnt gonna have a bad day? No, so why do you still bet on them? Yes, it is a gamble, but you are risking your money ultimately based on faith cause you dont know 100% certain how the team you backed are gonna play. Faith in a way is like a gamble cause you dont know 100% the outcome....

    You know, you are right, there is no point having faith.

    I am

    - Never gonna drive my car again, after all, when i go on the road, there is a chance that a car might go through a red light and hit me or there might be a drunk driver that might swerve into me or there might be a driver next to me who has a heart attack and hits me.

    - Never go on a plane, cause there is a chance the mechanics might have a lapse in concentration and cause the plane to f### up.

    - Never go out and have a relationship with a girl cause there is a chance she might cheat on me.

    Starting to get the picture....I cant believe i am on a gambling website talking to gamblers who say there is no need for faith...

    I cant believe people here live there lives without realising they have faith in 95% of whatever they do.

    Have a good think about it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    There is no justification for having faith in anything. The way our world exists is one where we don't need to have faith. There is no rational basis or foundation for it. Why should I have faith? Because a book tells me so? I can live my entire life without faith? Give me one good reason why I should have faith.

    You are on a gambling website ( i havent seen you post plays but i assume you gamble otherwise you wouldnt be here) and you dont have faith?  

    This website has sunk to new lows. That is the most ridicolous thing i have ever heard.

    So when you back a team to win, YOU DONT HAVE FAITH they are gonna turn up ready to win? You dont have faith that the refs are gonnna call a fair game? You starting to get the picture? Do you HAVE 100% proof or evidence that the team you back isnt gonna have a bad day? No, so why do you still bet on them? Yes, it is a gamble, but you are risking your money ultimately based on faith cause you dont know 100% certain how the team you backed are gonna play. Faith in a way is like a gamble cause you dont know 100% the outcome....

    You know, you are right, there is no point having faith.

    I am

    - Never gonna drive my car again, after all, when i go on the road, there is a chance that a car might go through a red light and hit me or there might be a drunk driver that might swerve into me or there might be a driver next to me who has a heart attack and hits me.

    - Never go on a plane, cause there is a chance the mechanics might have a lapse in concentration and cause the plane to f### up.

    - Never go out and have a relationship with a girl cause there is a chance she might cheat on me.

    Starting to get the picture....I cant believe i am on a gambling website talking to gamblers who say there is no need for faith...

    I cant believe people here live there lives without realising they have faith in 95% of whatever they do.

    Have a good think about it.....

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 7:47 PM ET #431

    So when you all back a team

    - you believe the team you backed are gonna win. You dont know for certain (proof) hey are gonna win, but based on the evidence, you believe they are gonna win...

    Our lives, being a human being and living life as a human being reuquires faith 95% of the time otherwise you couldnt live it.

     

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    So when you all back a team

    - you believe the team you backed are gonna win. You dont know for certain (proof) hey are gonna win, but based on the evidence, you believe they are gonna win...

    Our lives, being a human being and living life as a human being reuquires faith 95% of the time otherwise you couldnt live it.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 8:26 PM ET #432

    No, I think that my team has a higher % chance of covering the spread than the other team. I don't have faith in some magical force; I have a confidence that can be assigned a percentage, just like every activity in life. Life is a series of probabilities. Every act you do has a certain likelihood of success or disaster. It isn't faith. It's math. Math is absolute and certain. It's yes or no. You either have a 99.999% chance of surviving crossing the street or you don't. There is no faith involved. Stop conflating faith and probability.
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    No, I think that my team has a higher % chance of covering the spread than the other team. I don't have faith in some magical force; I have a confidence that can be assigned a percentage, just like every activity in life. Life is a series of probabilities. Every act you do has a certain likelihood of success or disaster. It isn't faith. It's math. Math is absolute and certain. It's yes or no. You either have a 99.999% chance of surviving crossing the street or you don't. There is no faith involved. Stop conflating faith and probability.
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 9:33 PM ET #433


    Hey, I beat D-Town to it!!!
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    Hey, I beat D-Town to it!!!
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 9:43 PM ET #434

    i m sure i seen it some where but maybe it was a funny book---------the yellow man will rule the world, at the end of the world. but you say it doesn t, so i will take your word on it. may the power of the holy sprit be with you always.
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    i m sure i seen it some where but maybe it was a funny book---------the yellow man will rule the world, at the end of the world. but you say it doesn t, so i will take your word on it. may the power of the holy sprit be with you always.
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 9:46 PM ET #435

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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 10:23 PM ET #436

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Your god is ashamed of the mindless drivel you post.

    Use your brain.  Post something original.  Be a good witness for your god, not one that makes everone repel.

    A fool is quick-tempered, but a wise person stays calm when insulted. ---Proverbs 12:16

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Your god is ashamed of the mindless drivel you post.

    Use your brain.  Post something original.  Be a good witness for your god, not one that makes everone repel.

    A fool is quick-tempered, but a wise person stays calm when insulted. ---Proverbs 12:16

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 10:34 PM ET #437

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    A fool is quick-tempered, but a wise person stays calm when insulted. ---Proverbs 12:16

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

    Dont you have an opinion of your own ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    A fool is quick-tempered, but a wise person stays calm when insulted. ---Proverbs 12:16

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

    Dont you have an opinion of your own ?

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2011 - 10:35 PM ET #438

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    No, I think that my team has a higher % chance of covering the spread than the other team. I don't have faith in some magical force; I have a confidence that can be assigned a percentage, just like every activity in life. Life is a series of probabilities. Every act you do has a certain likelihood of success or disaster. It isn't faith. It's math. Math is absolute and certain. It's yes or no. You either have a 99.999% chance of surviving crossing the street or you don't. There is no faith involved. Stop conflating faith and probability.

    Ahhh, so this is where we come to.......It is now that we only come to where we look at signposts for Gods existence or non existence.......I decide to put my faith in God, you decide to put your faith that he doesnt exist.

    Basically

    I put put my faith that God is responsible for the origins of the universe. I say that cause i know something cant come from nothing, the order, complexity and design we see in the universe has to have a mind behind it. Non believers say they either "dont know the origins of the universe but automatically rule out God (even though they dont know for a fact its not God),  but are left with perhaps something popping out of nothing. Furthermore, the non believers ultimately believe that the "dictionary is the result of an explosion at the print factiry)....After all, if there is no mind behind the order and design we see, then it all happened by fluke. You are talking about probability here, u have faith on the probability that the conditions needed for life happened by fluke. You have faith that the probability which is 10 pages of zeroe's happened........There is more of a chance me flying a 747 and landing safely in a monsoon, but hey, you have faith in those odds.

    Furthermore, i have faith that God created man. You have faith that living can come from non living, even though the odds are crazy, but hey you have faith in those odds, i dont.

    I have faith that the bible is the inspired word of God, you have faith that it isnt.....

    At the end of the day, the non believer has faith in the most ridicolous odds that man can ever comprehend...

    Good luck to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    No, I think that my team has a higher % chance of covering the spread than the other team. I don't have faith in some magical force; I have a confidence that can be assigned a percentage, just like every activity in life. Life is a series of probabilities. Every act you do has a certain likelihood of success or disaster. It isn't faith. It's math. Math is absolute and certain. It's yes or no. You either have a 99.999% chance of surviving crossing the street or you don't. There is no faith involved. Stop conflating faith and probability.

    Ahhh, so this is where we come to.......It is now that we only come to where we look at signposts for Gods existence or non existence.......I decide to put my faith in God, you decide to put your faith that he doesnt exist.

    Basically

    I put put my faith that God is responsible for the origins of the universe. I say that cause i know something cant come from nothing, the order, complexity and design we see in the universe has to have a mind behind it. Non believers say they either "dont know the origins of the universe but automatically rule out God (even though they dont know for a fact its not God),  but are left with perhaps something popping out of nothing. Furthermore, the non believers ultimately believe that the "dictionary is the result of an explosion at the print factiry)....After all, if there is no mind behind the order and design we see, then it all happened by fluke. You are talking about probability here, u have faith on the probability that the conditions needed for life happened by fluke. You have faith that the probability which is 10 pages of zeroe's happened........There is more of a chance me flying a 747 and landing safely in a monsoon, but hey, you have faith in those odds.

    Furthermore, i have faith that God created man. You have faith that living can come from non living, even though the odds are crazy, but hey you have faith in those odds, i dont.

    I have faith that the bible is the inspired word of God, you have faith that it isnt.....

    At the end of the day, the non believer has faith in the most ridicolous odds that man can ever comprehend...

    Good luck to you

     
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    I have no faith in anything. I value mathematics and probability and I know the numbers are in my favor. You have "faith" because that's the only way to justify going against the numbers. Of course living can come from nonliving. That's not even up for debate. Everything in the universe is just a composition of atoms. Theoretically, anything could be transformed into anything else if you rearrange the atoms precisely correctly. So to argue living can't come from nonliving is disputing 100% proven facts. You continue to misinterpret how incredibly likely it is that there will be "10 pages of zeroes" over the course of trillions and trillions of years.

    "At the end of the day, the non believer has faith in the most ridiculous odds that man can ever comprehend"

    - First of all, that is false, we can comprehend far more unlikely events (like for instance the existence of god, which I would place at less than .01% chance of existence)
    - Second, your faith in the bible is based on faith alone, my lack of faith is based on probability because I don't need faith to get through life
    - I accept the fact that life is completely and utterly meaningless, the sole purpose is to enjoy it as best you can because it's very, very short
    - I DO NOT HAVE FAITH IN ANYTHING
    - EVERYTHING I BELIEVE IS BASED ON MATH AND PROBABILITY

    And, the #1 reason why you can never win this argument: You cannot place a number on the probability of god's existence, all you can do is refer back to "faith"
    I can put a number on the probability of the universe happening by sheer chance (if I do sufficient research, which I don't intend to)
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    I have no faith in anything. I value mathematics and probability and I know the numbers are in my favor. You have "faith" because that's the only way to justify going against the numbers. Of course living can come from nonliving. That's not even up for debate. Everything in the universe is just a composition of atoms. Theoretically, anything could be transformed into anything else if you rearrange the atoms precisely correctly. So to argue living can't come from nonliving is disputing 100% proven facts. You continue to misinterpret how incredibly likely it is that there will be "10 pages of zeroes" over the course of trillions and trillions of years.

    "At the end of the day, the non believer has faith in the most ridiculous odds that man can ever comprehend"

    - First of all, that is false, we can comprehend far more unlikely events (like for instance the existence of god, which I would place at less than .01% chance of existence)
    - Second, your faith in the bible is based on faith alone, my lack of faith is based on probability because I don't need faith to get through life
    - I accept the fact that life is completely and utterly meaningless, the sole purpose is to enjoy it as best you can because it's very, very short
    - I DO NOT HAVE FAITH IN ANYTHING
    - EVERYTHING I BELIEVE IS BASED ON MATH AND PROBABILITY

    And, the #1 reason why you can never win this argument: You cannot place a number on the probability of god's existence, all you can do is refer back to "faith"
    I can put a number on the probability of the universe happening by sheer chance (if I do sufficient research, which I don't intend to)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Ahhh, so this is where we come to.......It is now that we only come to where we look at signposts for Gods existence or non existence.......I decide to put my faith in God, you decide to put your faith that he doesnt exist.

    So, do you put your faith in that Zeus doesn't exist

    Basically

    I put put my faith that God is responsible for the origins of the universe. I say that cause i know something cant come from nothing, the order, complexity and design we see in the universe has to have a mind behind it. Non believers say they either "dont know the origins of the universe but automatically rule out God (even though they dont know for a fact its not God),  but are left with perhaps something popping out of nothing. Furthermore, the non believers ultimately believe that the "dictionary is the result of an explosion at the print factiry)....After all, if there is no mind behind the order and design we see, then it all happened by fluke. You are talking about probability here, u have faith on the probability that the conditions needed for life happened by fluke. You have faith that the probability which is 10 pages of zeroe's happened........There is more of a chance me flying a 747 and landing safely in a monsoon, but hey, you have faith in those odds.

    Furthermore, i have faith that God created man. You have faith that living can come from non living, even though the odds are crazy, but hey you have faith in those odds, i dont.

    I have faith that the bible is the inspired word of God, you have faith that it isnt.....

    At the end of the day, the non believer has faith in the most ridicolous odds that man can ever comprehend...

    Good luck to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Ahhh, so this is where we come to.......It is now that we only come to where we look at signposts for Gods existence or non existence.......I decide to put my faith in God, you decide to put your faith that he doesnt exist.

    So, do you put your faith in that Zeus doesn't exist

    Basically

    I put put my faith that God is responsible for the origins of the universe. I say that cause i know something cant come from nothing, the order, complexity and design we see in the universe has to have a mind behind it. Non believers say they either "dont know the origins of the universe but automatically rule out God (even though they dont know for a fact its not God),  but are left with perhaps something popping out of nothing. Furthermore, the non believers ultimately believe that the "dictionary is the result of an explosion at the print factiry)....After all, if there is no mind behind the order and design we see, then it all happened by fluke. You are talking about probability here, u have faith on the probability that the conditions needed for life happened by fluke. You have faith that the probability which is 10 pages of zeroe's happened........There is more of a chance me flying a 747 and landing safely in a monsoon, but hey, you have faith in those odds.

    Furthermore, i have faith that God created man. You have faith that living can come from non living, even though the odds are crazy, but hey you have faith in those odds, i dont.

    I have faith that the bible is the inspired word of God, you have faith that it isnt.....

    At the end of the day, the non believer has faith in the most ridicolous odds that man can ever comprehend...

    Good luck to you

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I have no faith in anything. I value mathematics and probability and I know the numbers are in my favor. You have "faith" because that's the only way to justify going against the numbers. Of course living can come from nonliving. That's not even up for debate. Everything in the universe is just a composition of atoms. Theoretically, anything could be transformed into anything else if you rearrange the atoms precisely correctly. So to argue living can't come from nonliving is disputing 100% proven facts. You continue to misinterpret how incredibly likely it is that there will be "10 pages of zeroes" over the course of trillions and trillions of years.

    "At the end of the day, the non believer has faith in the most ridiculous odds that man can ever comprehend"

    - First of all, that is false, we can comprehend far more unlikely events (like for instance the existence of god, which I would place at less than .01% chance of existence)
    - Second, your faith in the bible is based on faith alone, my lack of faith is based on probability because I don't need faith to get through life
    - I accept the fact that life is completely and utterly meaningless, the sole purpose is to enjoy it as best you can because it's very, very short
    - I DO NOT HAVE FAITH IN ANYTHING
    - EVERYTHING I BELIEVE IS BASED ON MATH AND PROBABILITY

    And, the #1 reason why you can never win this argument: You cannot place a number on the probability of god's existence, all you can do is refer back to "faith"
    I can put a number on the probability of the universe happening by sheer chance (if I do sufficient research, which I don't intend to)

    I cant believe you dont realise that you have faith.

    If something is 100% certain (proof), then you dont need faith. if i say to you , the moon is visible tonight, yes, when you look up at the moon, you have 100% proof, evidence that the moon is there. You can see it. No faith is required.

    For things that we dont have proof, cannot see, or KNOW for a FACT will happen, the evidence or proof is less than 100%, the shortfall or the gap between certainty and the lack of evidence or proof we have is called Faith.

    For example, i say, walk from side of your room to the other, we are 100% certain that you will walk and end up the other side of the room safely. No faith is required.

    IF, i tell you to cross a river full of crocodiles and snakes, then the chances of you crossing the river are propbably 2%. But if i believe that you can cross it, then the chances that you wont cross it succesfully are probably 98%, but if i believe that you can cross, it means i have alot of faith that you can do it.....

    How many things in our lives are NOT certain or we dont have evidence that we will do it succesfully? Driving from one suburb to the other? Flying from country to another, getting married, etc etc etc......None of these things are 100% certain that we will do it succefully, yet we still do it, the shortfall between certainty and non certainty is called faith.

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    I have no faith in anything. I value mathematics and probability and I know the numbers are in my favor. You have "faith" because that's the only way to justify going against the numbers. Of course living can come from nonliving. That's not even up for debate. Everything in the universe is just a composition of atoms. Theoretically, anything could be transformed into anything else if you rearrange the atoms precisely correctly. So to argue living can't come from nonliving is disputing 100% proven facts. You continue to misinterpret how incredibly likely it is that there will be "10 pages of zeroes" over the course of trillions and trillions of years.

    "At the end of the day, the non believer has faith in the most ridiculous odds that man can ever comprehend"

    - First of all, that is false, we can comprehend far more unlikely events (like for instance the existence of god, which I would place at less than .01% chance of existence)
    - Second, your faith in the bible is based on faith alone, my lack of faith is based on probability because I don't need faith to get through life
    - I accept the fact that life is completely and utterly meaningless, the sole purpose is to enjoy it as best you can because it's very, very short
    - I DO NOT HAVE FAITH IN ANYTHING
    - EVERYTHING I BELIEVE IS BASED ON MATH AND PROBABILITY

    And, the #1 reason why you can never win this argument: You cannot place a number on the probability of god's existence, all you can do is refer back to "faith"
    I can put a number on the probability of the universe happening by sheer chance (if I do sufficient research, which I don't intend to)

    I cant believe you dont realise that you have faith.

    If something is 100% certain (proof), then you dont need faith. if i say to you , the moon is visible tonight, yes, when you look up at the moon, you have 100% proof, evidence that the moon is there. You can see it. No faith is required.

    For things that we dont have proof, cannot see, or KNOW for a FACT will happen, the evidence or proof is less than 100%, the shortfall or the gap between certainty and the lack of evidence or proof we have is called Faith.

    For example, i say, walk from side of your room to the other, we are 100% certain that you will walk and end up the other side of the room safely. No faith is required.

    IF, i tell you to cross a river full of crocodiles and snakes, then the chances of you crossing the river are propbably 2%. But if i believe that you can cross it, then the chances that you wont cross it succesfully are probably 98%, but if i believe that you can cross, it means i have alot of faith that you can do it.....

    How many things in our lives are NOT certain or we dont have evidence that we will do it succesfully? Driving from one suburb to the other? Flying from country to another, getting married, etc etc etc......None of these things are 100% certain that we will do it succefully, yet we still do it, the shortfall between certainty and non certainty is called faith.

    Let me ask you....Would you ever sky dive?

     
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    Rostos -

    For Zeus sake - get over the faith debate.  Now you bring up sky diving instead of flying or driving?  Come on.  Let me spell it out for you so you can go on:

    **What you call "faith" (incorrectly), the rest of us call probability / risk calculation.

    Read it again. 

    Getting us to admit that we have faith (according to your definition does nothing to further the debate.  It is one step better than SJD posting scripture, but it doesnt do anything except waste time and effort.  You think that any activity that has a possible negative outcome requires faith, the rest of us dispute that definiton.  BUT WHO CARES?

    Our point is simple.  Because you dont understand something, or dont have an answer to something - doesnt mean that god is the automatic answer.  We prefer replicable science to a guess based on nothing scientific.

    Your lack of understanding of probability explains your "faith" and why you should never gamble.  KK explains above the simple fact that if the odds of life on the earth (not calculatable because of our lack of understanding of the earth) are a trillion to one, there are easily a trillion trials over trillions of years.  You are making the classic probability falicy - to only look at the longshot success without looking at all the failures.

    What are the odds of a a free throw resting on the back of the rim and not coming down?  Well, if all you say was the one shot that did this - you would attribute it to god because you would say "the odds of that are enormous, must be god".  But you are ignoring the millions of other free throws that did not end up on the back of the rim.  Which is exactly what you are doing with the example of life.

    So can we move on?  Can you stop ignoring all of the questions posted in this thread that you have ignored?  IF you want to further your position, go back and try to answer some of the dozens of questions that have been ignored.  Fine - we all have "faith" because we get in a car or plane every day.  Great.  You win. 

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    Rostos -

    For Zeus sake - get over the faith debate.  Now you bring up sky diving instead of flying or driving?  Come on.  Let me spell it out for you so you can go on:

    **What you call "faith" (incorrectly), the rest of us call probability / risk calculation.

    Read it again. 

    Getting us to admit that we have faith (according to your definition does nothing to further the debate.  It is one step better than SJD posting scripture, but it doesnt do anything except waste time and effort.  You think that any activity that has a possible negative outcome requires faith, the rest of us dispute that definiton.  BUT WHO CARES?

    Our point is simple.  Because you dont understand something, or dont have an answer to something - doesnt mean that god is the automatic answer.  We prefer replicable science to a guess based on nothing scientific.

    Your lack of understanding of probability explains your "faith" and why you should never gamble.  KK explains above the simple fact that if the odds of life on the earth (not calculatable because of our lack of understanding of the earth) are a trillion to one, there are easily a trillion trials over trillions of years.  You are making the classic probability falicy - to only look at the longshot success without looking at all the failures.

    What are the odds of a a free throw resting on the back of the rim and not coming down?  Well, if all you say was the one shot that did this - you would attribute it to god because you would say "the odds of that are enormous, must be god".  But you are ignoring the millions of other free throws that did not end up on the back of the rim.  Which is exactly what you are doing with the example of life.

    So can we move on?  Can you stop ignoring all of the questions posted in this thread that you have ignored?  IF you want to further your position, go back and try to answer some of the dozens of questions that have been ignored.  Fine - we all have "faith" because we get in a car or plane every day.  Great.  You win. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Rostos -

      Fine - we all have "faith" because we get in a car or plane every day.  Great.  You win. 

    You are indeed a gracious loser of an argument, it's about time you admit we all have faith in one form or another. Rostos arguments are undeniably sensible, logical and indisputable.

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    Rostos -

      Fine - we all have "faith" because we get in a car or plane every day.  Great.  You win. 

    You are indeed a gracious loser of an argument, it's about time you admit we all have faith in one form or another. Rostos arguments are undeniably sensible, logical and indisputable.

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    The Book of Exodus

    The author of Exodus was Moses written 1450-1410 B.C.

    Every country has its own national history----a record of the events leading to the nation's independence. The book of Exodus records Israel's national history, recounting the earliest years of the nation and of God's covenant with them. Exodus takes its name from the main event of the book: the Israelites' deliverance from slavery in Egypt. The book begins with a short account of how the Israelites became slaves in Egypt. The focus then shifts to the birth and life of Moses, God's chosen leader for Israel. From a burning bush in the Sinai Desert, God called Moses to return to his homeland of Egypt and lead the Israelites to freedom. But Pharaoh refused to free the Israelites and set in motion God's ten devastating plagues upon Egypt. The final plague not only changed Pharaoh's mind but became a memorial of God's deliverance, celebrated in the observance of Passover. Once set free, the Israelites traveled to the wilderness of Sinai to worship God. But Pharaoh chased the Israelites to the Red Sea, where God displayed his power by parting the sea for the Israelites to cross and then closing it over the pursuing Egyptians. The Israelites were then free to travel to Mount Sinai. There God established his covenant with them, giving them the Ten Commandments and plans for the Tabernacle. After the Israelites constructed the Tabernacle, God filled it with his glory, signifying his presence with them.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

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    The Book of Exodus

    The author of Exodus was Moses written 1450-1410 B.C.

    Every country has its own national history----a record of the events leading to the nation's independence. The book of Exodus records Israel's national history, recounting the earliest years of the nation and of God's covenant with them. Exodus takes its name from the main event of the book: the Israelites' deliverance from slavery in Egypt. The book begins with a short account of how the Israelites became slaves in Egypt. The focus then shifts to the birth and life of Moses, God's chosen leader for Israel. From a burning bush in the Sinai Desert, God called Moses to return to his homeland of Egypt and lead the Israelites to freedom. But Pharaoh refused to free the Israelites and set in motion God's ten devastating plagues upon Egypt. The final plague not only changed Pharaoh's mind but became a memorial of God's deliverance, celebrated in the observance of Passover. Once set free, the Israelites traveled to the wilderness of Sinai to worship God. But Pharaoh chased the Israelites to the Red Sea, where God displayed his power by parting the sea for the Israelites to cross and then closing it over the pursuing Egyptians. The Israelites were then free to travel to Mount Sinai. There God established his covenant with them, giving them the Ten Commandments and plans for the Tabernacle. After the Israelites constructed the Tabernacle, God filled it with his glory, signifying his presence with them.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     
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    SirJohnDrake's inability to comprehend sarcasm compounded with his blind faith in the imaginary solidifies his standing as the most ignorant person on covers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The Book of Exodus

    The author of Exodus was Moses written 1450-1410 B.C.

    Every country has its own national history----a record of the events leading to the nation's independence. The book of Exodus records Israel's national history, recounting the earliest years of the nation and of God's covenant with them. Exodus takes its name from the main event of the book: the Israelites' deliverance from slavery in Egypt. The book begins with a short account of how the Israelites became slaves in Egypt. The focus then shifts to the birth and life of Moses, God's chosen leader for Israel. From a burning bush in the Sinai Desert, God called Moses to return to his homeland of Egypt and lead the Israelites to freedom. But Pharaoh refused to free the Israelites and set in motion God's ten devastating plagues upon Egypt. The final plague not only changed Pharaoh's mind but became a memorial of God's deliverance, celebrated in the observance of Passover. Once set free, the Israelites traveled to the wilderness of Sinai to worship God. But Pharaoh chased the Israelites to the Red Sea, where God displayed his power by parting the sea for the Israelites to cross and then closing it over the pursuing Egyptians. The Israelites were then free to travel to Mount Sinai. There God established his covenant with them, giving them the Ten Commandments and plans for the Tabernacle. After the Israelites constructed the Tabernacle, God filled it with his glory, signifying his presence with them.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

    Some of my favorite parts of Exodus:

    Slavery Allowed

    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

    Death for Hitting Dad

    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

    Sex Slaves

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    HEY SJD AND ROSTOS - HOW ABOUT ACTUALLY READ THE ABOVE AND TRY TO COMMENT.  You post your favorite parts of Exodus and ignore the above.  Not sure why.  Care to explain?

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    The Book of Exodus

    The author of Exodus was Moses written 1450-1410 B.C.

    Every country has its own national history----a record of the events leading to the nation's independence. The book of Exodus records Israel's national history, recounting the earliest years of the nation and of God's covenant with them. Exodus takes its name from the main event of the book: the Israelites' deliverance from slavery in Egypt. The book begins with a short account of how the Israelites became slaves in Egypt. The focus then shifts to the birth and life of Moses, God's chosen leader for Israel. From a burning bush in the Sinai Desert, God called Moses to return to his homeland of Egypt and lead the Israelites to freedom. But Pharaoh refused to free the Israelites and set in motion God's ten devastating plagues upon Egypt. The final plague not only changed Pharaoh's mind but became a memorial of God's deliverance, celebrated in the observance of Passover. Once set free, the Israelites traveled to the wilderness of Sinai to worship God. But Pharaoh chased the Israelites to the Red Sea, where God displayed his power by parting the sea for the Israelites to cross and then closing it over the pursuing Egyptians. The Israelites were then free to travel to Mount Sinai. There God established his covenant with them, giving them the Ten Commandments and plans for the Tabernacle. After the Israelites constructed the Tabernacle, God filled it with his glory, signifying his presence with them.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

    Some of my favorite parts of Exodus:

    Slavery Allowed

    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

    Death for Hitting Dad

    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

    Sex Slaves

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    HEY SJD AND ROSTOS - HOW ABOUT ACTUALLY READ THE ABOVE AND TRY TO COMMENT.  You post your favorite parts of Exodus and ignore the above.  Not sure why.  Care to explain?

     
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    Just read the 3 passages I quoted above.  I mean really read them, dont check the box next to the software download.

    THEY ARE LAUGHABLE.

    And christians believe this is the inspired word from an allknowing all loving timeless God?  Who wants to worship that god?  Jeesh.  It is so silly.

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    Just read the 3 passages I quoted above.  I mean really read them, dont check the box next to the software download.

    THEY ARE LAUGHABLE.

    And christians believe this is the inspired word from an allknowing all loving timeless God?  Who wants to worship that god?  Jeesh.  It is so silly.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Some of my favorite parts of Exodus:

    Slavery Allowed

    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

    Death for Hitting Dad

    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

    Sex Slaves

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    HEY SJD AND ROSTOS - HOW ABOUT ACTUALLY READ THE ABOVE AND TRY TO COMMENT.  You post your favorite parts of Exodus and ignore the above.  Not sure why.  Care to explain?


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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Some of my favorite parts of Exodus:

    Slavery Allowed

    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

    Death for Hitting Dad

    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

    Sex Slaves

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    HEY SJD AND ROSTOS - HOW ABOUT ACTUALLY READ THE ABOVE AND TRY TO COMMENT.  You post your favorite parts of Exodus and ignore the above.  Not sure why.  Care to explain?


    How to beat your slave. 

    Still waiting for some answers
     
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    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Just read the 3 passages I quoted above.  I mean really read them, dont check the box next to the software download.

    THEY ARE LAUGHABLE.

    And christians believe this is the inspired word from an allknowing all loving timeless God?  Who wants to worship that god?  Jeesh.  It is so silly.


    This is how it all starts...

    This is very sad and explains a lot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Just read the 3 passages I quoted above.  I mean really read them, dont check the box next to the software download.

    THEY ARE LAUGHABLE.

    And christians believe this is the inspired word from an allknowing all loving timeless God?  Who wants to worship that god?  Jeesh.  It is so silly.


    This is how it all starts...

    This is very sad and explains a lot...
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