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    Posted: May. 14, 2011 - 4:55 PM ET #476

    119. When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9


    120. God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17


    121. The ground swallow Korah and his companions and a fire consumes 250 men. 26:10


    122. "And Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord." When you go camping avoid making any unusual fires. 26:61


    123. In these chapters, God provides ridiculously detailed instructions for the ritualistic sacrifice of animals. The burning of their dead bodies smells great to God. 



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    119. When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9


    120. God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17


    121. The ground swallow Korah and his companions and a fire consumes 250 men. 26:10


    122. "And Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord." When you go camping avoid making any unusual fires. 26:61


    123. In these chapters, God provides ridiculously detailed instructions for the ritualistic sacrifice of animals. The burning of their dead bodies smells great to God. 



     
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    Great messages...


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    Posted: May. 14, 2011 - 5:00 PM ET #478

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence"

    Tell me, when you sky dive, is there material evidence that the chute is gonna open? No matter how many times you have dived before or how many times you checked the chute before you jumped. Can you guarantee that the chute is gonna open for a FACT?

    Is there material evidence that it is gonna open? Of course NOT.  Every humans instinct is to survive....So why does the diver still dive if there is NO MATERIAL EVIDENCE that it is gonna open?

    The diver has 100% faith that the chute is gonna open otherwise he wouldnt jump.....

    Hey, you guys are the ones that brought this definition up and it is the one that is making you look like fools.




    You're confusing faith with HOPE...  The skydiver assesses the risk and determines that he will ignore the risk and perform the activity.  He has 0 faith that the chute will open, but he HOPES that it does.  He understands that it may not because he has already assessed the risk.

    Faith is not the same as hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence"

    Tell me, when you sky dive, is there material evidence that the chute is gonna open? No matter how many times you have dived before or how many times you checked the chute before you jumped. Can you guarantee that the chute is gonna open for a FACT?

    Is there material evidence that it is gonna open? Of course NOT.  Every humans instinct is to survive....So why does the diver still dive if there is NO MATERIAL EVIDENCE that it is gonna open?

    The diver has 100% faith that the chute is gonna open otherwise he wouldnt jump.....

    Hey, you guys are the ones that brought this definition up and it is the one that is making you look like fools.




    You're confusing faith with HOPE...  The skydiver assesses the risk and determines that he will ignore the risk and perform the activity.  He has 0 faith that the chute will open, but he HOPES that it does.  He understands that it may not because he has already assessed the risk.

    Faith is not the same as hope.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    if u bothered to read u will see it is a transcript from a uk newspaper "the observer"..

    Rostos its the same, it was made by one editor of the observer. its the opinion of 1 person, besides it was probably the lamest article ever in there. just look at the length.

    You said that we where the only ones in the planet that didnt got it.. based on an article written in an UK based newspaper..

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    if u bothered to read u will see it is a transcript from a uk newspaper "the observer"..

    Rostos its the same, it was made by one editor of the observer. its the opinion of 1 person, besides it was probably the lamest article ever in there. just look at the length.

    You said that we where the only ones in the planet that didnt got it.. based on an article written in an UK based newspaper..

     

     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2011 - 2:20 AM ET #480

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinion. ---Proverbs 18:2

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


    Truer words never spoken. In case you haven't noticed, throughout this entire thread, all you have done is air your own opin- oh wait - you don't have an opinion, and don't care what anyone else has to say. Just continue to quote the bible verses that conveniently support you, while you completely disregard the ones that Vanzack and System repeatedly post that don't coincide with your system of beliefs. It is the narrow-minded one that is the fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinion. ---Proverbs 18:2

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


    Truer words never spoken. In case you haven't noticed, throughout this entire thread, all you have done is air your own opin- oh wait - you don't have an opinion, and don't care what anyone else has to say. Just continue to quote the bible verses that conveniently support you, while you completely disregard the ones that Vanzack and System repeatedly post that don't coincide with your system of beliefs. It is the narrow-minded one that is the fool.
     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2011 - 6:15 AM ET #481

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:




    You're confusing faith with HOPE...  The skydiver assesses the risk and determines that he will ignore the risk and perform the activity.  He has 0 faith that the chute will open, but he HOPES that it does.  He understands that it may not because he has already assessed the risk.

    Faith is not the same as hope.

    Are you serious? Its the other way around.

    Have a think about these statements....

    Question to a sky diver...

    Why do you sky dive. Do you understand that if the chute doesnt open you will die.

    Answer 1. yes, i understand, i have dived before, i get my chute checked 3 times, while there is a chance it may not open, i have strong faith that it does, otherwise i wouldnt risk my life and jump.

    Answer 2. yes, i understand, i have dived before, i get my chute checked 3 times, while there is a chance it may not open, i hope it does........

    Based on these 2 responses, u can see the difference. Faith is a much stronger conviction.....

    For example, i have faith the bulls will come back from a defecit in the 4th qtr.....or I hope the bulls come back in the 4th qtr...

    There is a much stronger sense of belief under faith than hope.

    If you are risking your life on an event (sky diving), then i am sure you want to have the stronger conviction and stronger sense of belief under faith than just a hope.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:




    You're confusing faith with HOPE...  The skydiver assesses the risk and determines that he will ignore the risk and perform the activity.  He has 0 faith that the chute will open, but he HOPES that it does.  He understands that it may not because he has already assessed the risk.

    Faith is not the same as hope.

    Are you serious? Its the other way around.

    Have a think about these statements....

    Question to a sky diver...

    Why do you sky dive. Do you understand that if the chute doesnt open you will die.

    Answer 1. yes, i understand, i have dived before, i get my chute checked 3 times, while there is a chance it may not open, i have strong faith that it does, otherwise i wouldnt risk my life and jump.

    Answer 2. yes, i understand, i have dived before, i get my chute checked 3 times, while there is a chance it may not open, i hope it does........

    Based on these 2 responses, u can see the difference. Faith is a much stronger conviction.....

    For example, i have faith the bulls will come back from a defecit in the 4th qtr.....or I hope the bulls come back in the 4th qtr...

    There is a much stronger sense of belief under faith than hope.

    If you are risking your life on an event (sky diving), then i am sure you want to have the stronger conviction and stronger sense of belief under faith than just a hope.....

     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2011 - 11:47 AM ET #482

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Are you serious? Its the other way around.

    Have a think about these statements....

    Question to a sky diver...

    Why do you sky dive. Do you understand that if the chute doesnt open you will die.

    Answer 1. yes, i understand, i have dived before, i get my chute checked 3 times, while there is a chance it may not open, i have strong faith that it does, otherwise i wouldnt risk my life and jump.

    Answer 2. yes, i understand, i have dived before, i get my chute checked 3 times, while there is a chance it may not open, i hope it does........

    Based on these 2 responses, u can see the difference. Faith is a much stronger conviction.....

    For example, i have faith the bulls will come back from a defecit in the 4th qtr.....or I hope the bulls come back in the 4th qtr...

    There is a much stronger sense of belief under faith than hope.

    If you are risking your life on an event (sky diving), then i am sure you want to have the stronger conviction and stronger sense of belief under faith than just a hope.....


    But what do you have faith in? You have faith that the mechanisms of your chute will open. You have faith that Derrick Rose will go nuts. You aren't relying on something that can't be quantified. Your "faith" as you wanna call it is in the probability of things going your way. Regarding the skydiving, your faith is justified because the odds of your chute opening are very, very high. Regarding the Bulls, your faith is questionable, because the odds of a Bulls comeback is naturally gonna be much lower.

    So, rather than simply stating faith is different from probability, consider the two together. When you have faith in something, your faith must be BASED ON SOMETHING. Everything I would classify myself having "faith" in, can be substantiated with math and probability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Are you serious? Its the other way around.

    Have a think about these statements....

    Question to a sky diver...

    Why do you sky dive. Do you understand that if the chute doesnt open you will die.

    Answer 1. yes, i understand, i have dived before, i get my chute checked 3 times, while there is a chance it may not open, i have strong faith that it does, otherwise i wouldnt risk my life and jump.

    Answer 2. yes, i understand, i have dived before, i get my chute checked 3 times, while there is a chance it may not open, i hope it does........

    Based on these 2 responses, u can see the difference. Faith is a much stronger conviction.....

    For example, i have faith the bulls will come back from a defecit in the 4th qtr.....or I hope the bulls come back in the 4th qtr...

    There is a much stronger sense of belief under faith than hope.

    If you are risking your life on an event (sky diving), then i am sure you want to have the stronger conviction and stronger sense of belief under faith than just a hope.....


    But what do you have faith in? You have faith that the mechanisms of your chute will open. You have faith that Derrick Rose will go nuts. You aren't relying on something that can't be quantified. Your "faith" as you wanna call it is in the probability of things going your way. Regarding the skydiving, your faith is justified because the odds of your chute opening are very, very high. Regarding the Bulls, your faith is questionable, because the odds of a Bulls comeback is naturally gonna be much lower.

    So, rather than simply stating faith is different from probability, consider the two together. When you have faith in something, your faith must be BASED ON SOMETHING. Everything I would classify myself having "faith" in, can be substantiated with math and probability.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    Truer words never spoken. In case you haven't noticed, throughout this entire thread, all you have done is air your own opin- oh wait - you don't have an opinion, and don't care what anyone else has to say. Just continue to quote the bible verses that conveniently support you, while you completely disregard the ones that Vanzack and System repeatedly post that don't coincide with your system of beliefs. It is the narrow-minded one that is the fool.

    Have you really looked at vanzack's and system's posts?...probably not close enough but if you did you will observe all they do is mock the Lord Almighty, they are not eager to understand, their hearts are filled with rejection and so it's no sense for me to discuss anything with them. Perhaps if they read the Bible on their own they might understand and start to believe in the Lord Almighty.

    The lips of the godly speak helpful words, but the mouth of the wicked speaks perverse words. ---Proverbs 10:32

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

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    Truer words never spoken. In case you haven't noticed, throughout this entire thread, all you have done is air your own opin- oh wait - you don't have an opinion, and don't care what anyone else has to say. Just continue to quote the bible verses that conveniently support you, while you completely disregard the ones that Vanzack and System repeatedly post that don't coincide with your system of beliefs. It is the narrow-minded one that is the fool.

    Have you really looked at vanzack's and system's posts?...probably not close enough but if you did you will observe all they do is mock the Lord Almighty, they are not eager to understand, their hearts are filled with rejection and so it's no sense for me to discuss anything with them. Perhaps if they read the Bible on their own they might understand and start to believe in the Lord Almighty.

    The lips of the godly speak helpful words, but the mouth of the wicked speaks perverse words. ---Proverbs 10:32

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    The Book of Deuteronomy

    The author was Moses written 1407-1406 B.C.

    Deuteronomy is a repeating of the law to the new generation that had come out of the wilderness, ready to make their conquest of Canaan. The name Deuteronomy means "second law." It is perhaps better rendered, "This is the copy (or repetition) of the law." It is not a presentation of a "second law" different and apart from the Sinaitic legislation, but it is a partial restating and explaining of the previous laws of Israel to this new generation. The emphasis of Moses in this book is to "observe to do" what God has commanded.

    Deuteronomy, however is more than just a simple restatement of the law. The compassion of God for His chosen people is dealt with, together with their covenant responsibilities. A call from God for strict obedience is presented. Finally , Moses appointed his successor Joshua, and went off to a mountain by himself to view the Promised Land from a distance before he died.

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    The Book of Deuteronomy

    The author was Moses written 1407-1406 B.C.

    Deuteronomy is a repeating of the law to the new generation that had come out of the wilderness, ready to make their conquest of Canaan. The name Deuteronomy means "second law." It is perhaps better rendered, "This is the copy (or repetition) of the law." It is not a presentation of a "second law" different and apart from the Sinaitic legislation, but it is a partial restating and explaining of the previous laws of Israel to this new generation. The emphasis of Moses in this book is to "observe to do" what God has commanded.

    Deuteronomy, however is more than just a simple restatement of the law. The compassion of God for His chosen people is dealt with, together with their covenant responsibilities. A call from God for strict obedience is presented. Finally , Moses appointed his successor Joshua, and went off to a mountain by himself to view the Promised Land from a distance before he died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    So, rather than simply stating faith is different from probability, consider the two together. When you have faith in something, your faith must be BASED ON SOMETHING. Everything I would classify myself having "faith" in, can be substantiated with math and probability.

    I agree with you that your faith must be BASED ON SOMETHING.

    The Christian faith of believing in the Lord Almighty is based on believing the Holy Bible and especially the life of Jesus Christ our Lord Savior.

    Jesus had disciples who followed him and knew him personally and saw the miracles he performed and the holiness of his character. They were the witnesses of his resurrection from the dead. They knew he was the Son of God. Some of them wrote their Gospels and can be read in the New Testament of the Holy Bible.

    The Lord Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never die." ----John 11:25

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    So, rather than simply stating faith is different from probability, consider the two together. When you have faith in something, your faith must be BASED ON SOMETHING. Everything I would classify myself having "faith" in, can be substantiated with math and probability.

    I agree with you that your faith must be BASED ON SOMETHING.

    The Christian faith of believing in the Lord Almighty is based on believing the Holy Bible and especially the life of Jesus Christ our Lord Savior.

    Jesus had disciples who followed him and knew him personally and saw the miracles he performed and the holiness of his character. They were the witnesses of his resurrection from the dead. They knew he was the Son of God. Some of them wrote their Gospels and can be read in the New Testament of the Holy Bible.

    The Lord Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never die." ----John 11:25

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The Book of Deuteronomy

    The author was Moses written 1407-1406 B.C.

    Deuteronomy is a repeating of the law to the new generation that had come out of the wilderness, ready to make their conquest of Canaan. The name Deuteronomy means "second law." It is perhaps better rendered, "This is the copy (or repetition) of the law." It is not a presentation of a "second law" different and apart from the Sinaitic legislation, but it is a partial restating and explaining of the previous laws of Israel to this new generation. The emphasis of Moses in this book is to "observe to do" what God has commanded.

    Deuteronomy, however is more than just a simple restatement of the law. The compassion of God for His chosen people is dealt with, together with their covenant responsibilities. A call from God for strict obedience is presented. Finally , Moses appointed his successor Joshua, and went off to a mountain by himself to view the Promised Land from a distance before he died.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


    3) More Murder Rape and Pillage   (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

     

         As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

     

    What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

     

    4) Laws of Rape   (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

     

        If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

     

    What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker?  Answer: God.

     

    5) Death to the Rape Victim   (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

     

        If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

     

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    The Book of Deuteronomy

    The author was Moses written 1407-1406 B.C.

    Deuteronomy is a repeating of the law to the new generation that had come out of the wilderness, ready to make their conquest of Canaan. The name Deuteronomy means "second law." It is perhaps better rendered, "This is the copy (or repetition) of the law." It is not a presentation of a "second law" different and apart from the Sinaitic legislation, but it is a partial restating and explaining of the previous laws of Israel to this new generation. The emphasis of Moses in this book is to "observe to do" what God has commanded.

    Deuteronomy, however is more than just a simple restatement of the law. The compassion of God for His chosen people is dealt with, together with their covenant responsibilities. A call from God for strict obedience is presented. Finally , Moses appointed his successor Joshua, and went off to a mountain by himself to view the Promised Land from a distance before he died.

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!


    3) More Murder Rape and Pillage   (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

     

         As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

     

    What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

     

    4) Laws of Rape   (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

     

        If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

     

    What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker?  Answer: God.

     

    5) Death to the Rape Victim   (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

     

        If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

     

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Have you really looked at vanzack's and system's posts?...probably not close enough but if you did you will observe all they do is mock the Lord Almighty, they are not eager to understand, their hearts are filled with rejection and so it's no sense for me to discuss anything with them. Perhaps if they read the Bible on their own they might understand and start to believe in the Lord Almighty.

    The lips of the godly speak helpful words, but the mouth of the wicked speaks perverse words. ---Proverbs 10:32

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Have you really looked at vanzack's and system's posts?...probably not close enough but if you did you will observe all they do is mock the Lord Almighty, they are not eager to understand, their hearts are filled with rejection and so it's no sense for me to discuss anything with them. Perhaps if they read the Bible on their own they might understand and start to believe in the Lord Almighty.

    The lips of the godly speak helpful words, but the mouth of the wicked speaks perverse words. ---Proverbs 10:32

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    Answer the questions
     
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    But that SOMETHING which faith must be based on, which we all agree there must be a basis for faith, must be factual. If you base "faith" on math and probability, that's acceptable because math and probability are certain. We know for a fact they are real. You cannot base faith on the bible because the bible is uncertain, and, in all likelihood, false. However, even if we accept that the bible isn't necessarily false, it's still not certain, not even close. Now that isn't to say you can't base your faith off of it, but you can't compare faith to probability when one is based purely on fact and the other can be based on conjecture.
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    But that SOMETHING which faith must be based on, which we all agree there must be a basis for faith, must be factual. If you base "faith" on math and probability, that's acceptable because math and probability are certain. We know for a fact they are real. You cannot base faith on the bible because the bible is uncertain, and, in all likelihood, false. However, even if we accept that the bible isn't necessarily false, it's still not certain, not even close. Now that isn't to say you can't base your faith off of it, but you can't compare faith to probability when one is based purely on fact and the other can be based on conjecture.
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by KittyKatz286] But that SOMETHING which faith must be based on, which we all agree there must be a basis for faith, must be factual. If you base "faith" on math and probability, that's acceptable because math and probability are certain. We know for a fact they are real. You cannot base faith on the bible because the bible is uncertain, and, in all likelihood, false. However, even if we accept that the bible isn't necessarily false, it's still not certain, not even close. Now that isn't to say you can't base your faith off of it, but you can't compare faith to probability when one is based purely on fact and the other can be based on conjecture.

    Faith is defined as: 1. unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence. 2. unquestioning belief in God. 3. a religion or a system of religious beliefs. 4. anything believed. 5. complete trust, confidence, or reliance. 6. allegiance to some person or thing; loyalty.

    Have you forgotten the definition of faith? I believe you have because one of the definitions of faith is number one above which states: 1. unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence.

    I can't prove to you that Jesus disciples knew he was the Son of God and they were his witnesses. How can I prove it to you?... they lived over 2,000 years ago, it is impossible to prove and so I can only say to you that I believe what they said really happened. My faith of unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence allows me to say I believe Jesus Christ is our Lord Savior the Son of God as written in the Holy Bible witnessed by his disciples.

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by KittyKatz286] But that SOMETHING which faith must be based on, which we all agree there must be a basis for faith, must be factual. If you base "faith" on math and probability, that's acceptable because math and probability are certain. We know for a fact they are real. You cannot base faith on the bible because the bible is uncertain, and, in all likelihood, false. However, even if we accept that the bible isn't necessarily false, it's still not certain, not even close. Now that isn't to say you can't base your faith off of it, but you can't compare faith to probability when one is based purely on fact and the other can be based on conjecture.

    Faith is defined as: 1. unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence. 2. unquestioning belief in God. 3. a religion or a system of religious beliefs. 4. anything believed. 5. complete trust, confidence, or reliance. 6. allegiance to some person or thing; loyalty.

    Have you forgotten the definition of faith? I believe you have because one of the definitions of faith is number one above which states: 1. unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence.

    I can't prove to you that Jesus disciples knew he was the Son of God and they were his witnesses. How can I prove it to you?... they lived over 2,000 years ago, it is impossible to prove and so I can only say to you that I believe what they said really happened. My faith of unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence allows me to say I believe Jesus Christ is our Lord Savior the Son of God as written in the Holy Bible witnessed by his disciples.

    Joyful is the person who finds wisdom, the one who gains understanding. ---Proverbs 3:13

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     
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    You are absolutely correct. That is why faith can NEVER be equivalent to probability.
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    You are absolutely correct. That is why faith can NEVER be equivalent to probability.
     
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    this thread is . you can NEVER WIN with religion. guys give it a rest
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    You are absolutely correct. That is why faith can NEVER be equivalent to probability.

    Do you have a dictionary? Probably not, for again you are incorrect.

    Probability is defined as the state of being probable.

    Probable is defined as to which appears resonable on basis of evidence or logic but is neither certain nor proved and so I see strong equivalence between faith & probability.

    So on the basis of logic, I could say: Everything had to come from a creator because it just couldn't appear on its own and so the probability the creator God exists is not illogical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    You are absolutely correct. That is why faith can NEVER be equivalent to probability.

    Do you have a dictionary? Probably not, for again you are incorrect.

    Probability is defined as the state of being probable.

    Probable is defined as to which appears resonable on basis of evidence or logic but is neither certain nor proved and so I see strong equivalence between faith & probability.

    So on the basis of logic, I could say: Everything had to come from a creator because it just couldn't appear on its own and so the probability the creator God exists is not illogical.

    Wisdom will multiply your days and add years to you life. ---Proverbs 9:11

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    The Book of Joshua

    The author is Joshua written in 1380 B.C.

    Joshua is the first book of the second part of the Old Testament, which includes the historical books through Esther. This follows the first five books called the Pentateuch. The name of this book comes from the man Joshua who was a great religious and military leader. Joshua is a book of conflict and conquest. The anticipated entrance into the Promised Land, as found in the book of Deuteronomy, becomes a reality in Joshua.

    A Moral Problem: Some people question the command of God to annihilate the Canaanites. God was patient and waited to bring judgment on the unrighteous nations. The Canaanites were not innocent, but rather evil and wicked (Gen. 9:25; Lev. 18:25; Deut. 12:29-31). God gave Abraham and his descendants the land and used them as an instrument of judgment on the wicked. The complete removal of some perverted and wicked groups was necessary to insure that Israel would not be affected or influenced by their gross sin and immorality.

    The Man Joshua: Joshua was of the tribe of Ephraim (Num. 13:8). (The name Joshua in the Greek form is Jesus.) Joshua led the Israelites into the Promised Land, an example of Jesus leading His people into the promises of God. Joshua personally attended to Moses throughout the wanderings in the wilderness for forty years. He was with Moses on the Mount (Ex. 24:13) and was one of the twelve spies (Num. 13:8, 16). At age eighty-five, he succeeded Moses and ruled over Israel for about twenty-five years. He was instrumental in the settling of the twelve tribes in the Promised Land and of governing them until he died at age 110. He was a great warrior, but also a man of prayer and trust in God.

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    The Book of Joshua

    The author is Joshua written in 1380 B.C.

    Joshua is the first book of the second part of the Old Testament, which includes the historical books through Esther. This follows the first five books called the Pentateuch. The name of this book comes from the man Joshua who was a great religious and military leader. Joshua is a book of conflict and conquest. The anticipated entrance into the Promised Land, as found in the book of Deuteronomy, becomes a reality in Joshua.

    A Moral Problem: Some people question the command of God to annihilate the Canaanites. God was patient and waited to bring judgment on the unrighteous nations. The Canaanites were not innocent, but rather evil and wicked (Gen. 9:25; Lev. 18:25; Deut. 12:29-31). God gave Abraham and his descendants the land and used them as an instrument of judgment on the wicked. The complete removal of some perverted and wicked groups was necessary to insure that Israel would not be affected or influenced by their gross sin and immorality.

    The Man Joshua: Joshua was of the tribe of Ephraim (Num. 13:8). (The name Joshua in the Greek form is Jesus.) Joshua led the Israelites into the Promised Land, an example of Jesus leading His people into the promises of God. Joshua personally attended to Moses throughout the wanderings in the wilderness for forty years. He was with Moses on the Mount (Ex. 24:13) and was one of the twelve spies (Num. 13:8, 16). At age eighty-five, he succeeded Moses and ruled over Israel for about twenty-five years. He was instrumental in the settling of the twelve tribes in the Promised Land and of governing them until he died at age 110. He was a great warrior, but also a man of prayer and trust in God.

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    Posted: May. 17, 2011 - 1:22 AM ET #495

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to equate faith and probability. There is no argument. It is an undeniable fact. 2+2 = 4. Faith does not equal probability. They are just as certain.
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    people ask the questions and then are not even reading the answers, stop wasting your time, if someone wants to know someone,they can take a walk with them
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    people ask the questions and then are not even reading the answers, stop wasting your time, if someone wants to know someone,they can take a walk with them
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to equate faith and probability. There is no argument. It is an undeniable fact. 2+2 = 4. Faith does not equal probability. They are just as certain.

    Unless you are entering some quantum philosophical discussion, what's you got there is arithmetic not probability

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to equate faith and probability. There is no argument. It is an undeniable fact. 2+2 = 4. Faith does not equal probability. They are just as certain.

    Unless you are entering some quantum philosophical discussion, what's you got there is arithmetic not probability

     
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    The Book of Judges

    The author was Samuel written around 1000 B.C.

    Often the greatest heroes appear in the midst of the worst chaos and confusion. This is true in the book of Judges, where true heroes and heroines repeatedly are called upon to save the day after the people have fallen into sin. After Joshua's armies conquered Canaan, the twelve tribes of Israel settled their alloted portions of the land. They had no earthly king, because God was to serve as their king. But this required that the people follow and obey God---a situation that rarely existed during this period. The people soon became unfaithful to God and practiced the ways of their pagan neighbors. To punish their disobedience, God allowed the Israelites' neighbors to oppress them. The Israelites then repented and asked God to rescue them, and so he raised up various leaders among them to drive out the enemy. These leaders were known as judges. They not only defeated their enemies and drove them from the land but they turned the Israelites' hearts back to God. But time after time, soon after the people were delivered from their oppressive neighbors, they lost their zeal for God, and the whole cycle begain again.

    Message. The central message of Judges is found in the interpretation of Israel's history within its pages. The author sees the hand of God in all that happens. Israel's failure to consolidate the land and keep their religion and cultural life strong was the cause of tragedy which followed. Idolatry crept in, vicious oppressors rose up to torment them, hunger and famine were their constant companions.

    Yet, God always raised up a "man of the hour." This is the theme of the book. Whenever the suffering was worst, and the people cried out in despair, God called forth a "judge" or deliverer to throw off the yoke of the oppressor. Sometimes these were good and noble men like Gideion, or Samuel; but, sometimes they were erratic and unstable men, like Samson.

    The message of Judges also stresses the theme that God raises up the weak to confound the strong. Gideon was the youngest Manassite in his father's house, and his father's family was "least in Manasseh." The people were weak and unarmed, as in the case of Gideon's army. They used earthen pitchers, and torches, the bloodcurdling blase of trumpets---and their faith in God! With these they routed the enemy, and, seizing the weapons of the foe, they drove the Midianites back into the desert. Another great lesson: no weapons can destroy a people that puts its faith in God---and all the weapons of war are useless unless God gives the victory. Faith in God is stronger than a thousand armies.

    The final lesson is that chaos reigns whenever man is free to "do what is right in his own eyes." Civilized life is impossible when every man has "his own way." It is an expression of the original sin which goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden. Only by obedience to the Law and love of God can man ever find the happiness for which God made him!

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    The Book of Judges

    The author was Samuel written around 1000 B.C.

    Often the greatest heroes appear in the midst of the worst chaos and confusion. This is true in the book of Judges, where true heroes and heroines repeatedly are called upon to save the day after the people have fallen into sin. After Joshua's armies conquered Canaan, the twelve tribes of Israel settled their alloted portions of the land. They had no earthly king, because God was to serve as their king. But this required that the people follow and obey God---a situation that rarely existed during this period. The people soon became unfaithful to God and practiced the ways of their pagan neighbors. To punish their disobedience, God allowed the Israelites' neighbors to oppress them. The Israelites then repented and asked God to rescue them, and so he raised up various leaders among them to drive out the enemy. These leaders were known as judges. They not only defeated their enemies and drove them from the land but they turned the Israelites' hearts back to God. But time after time, soon after the people were delivered from their oppressive neighbors, they lost their zeal for God, and the whole cycle begain again.

    Message. The central message of Judges is found in the interpretation of Israel's history within its pages. The author sees the hand of God in all that happens. Israel's failure to consolidate the land and keep their religion and cultural life strong was the cause of tragedy which followed. Idolatry crept in, vicious oppressors rose up to torment them, hunger and famine were their constant companions.

    Yet, God always raised up a "man of the hour." This is the theme of the book. Whenever the suffering was worst, and the people cried out in despair, God called forth a "judge" or deliverer to throw off the yoke of the oppressor. Sometimes these were good and noble men like Gideion, or Samuel; but, sometimes they were erratic and unstable men, like Samson.

    The message of Judges also stresses the theme that God raises up the weak to confound the strong. Gideon was the youngest Manassite in his father's house, and his father's family was "least in Manasseh." The people were weak and unarmed, as in the case of Gideon's army. They used earthen pitchers, and torches, the bloodcurdling blase of trumpets---and their faith in God! With these they routed the enemy, and, seizing the weapons of the foe, they drove the Midianites back into the desert. Another great lesson: no weapons can destroy a people that puts its faith in God---and all the weapons of war are useless unless God gives the victory. Faith in God is stronger than a thousand armies.

    The final lesson is that chaos reigns whenever man is free to "do what is right in his own eyes." Civilized life is impossible when every man has "his own way." It is an expression of the original sin which goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden. Only by obedience to the Law and love of God can man ever find the happiness for which God made him!

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2011 - 2:42 PM ET #499

    Correction: They used earthen pitchers, and torches, the bloodcurdling blast of trumpets

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    That is a great question, and something I just don't get? Why (If their was such a thing) would it even care? Doesn't that sound more like something man would care about?

    Yup....and that is pretty much the case if you ask me.

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    That is a great question, and something I just don't get? Why (If their was such a thing) would it even care? Doesn't that sound more like something man would care about?

    Yup....and that is pretty much the case if you ask me.

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