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    Is there an actual law that black people aren't allowed

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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2013 - 4:25 PM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

    I agree with this- and that sounds great- but at 3am in a store parking lot with occupants "passing through"- how on earth could the officer verify or validate the story? He had to make a decision-

    What would your opinion be if the whole story was bullshit but because the officer had no specific evidence of crime- he let them go, against his better judgement- and they raped / murdered the child?

    I mean- do we just say tough garbage- those are the breaks?

     

     

     



    cops separate them and ask questions.  the kid is 13 and should be able to articulate if she's being kidnapped or in danger once she's with police.  but even if she's scared, cops are trained to ask questions to determine if they are full of garbage. simple questions the suspect wouldn't have thought of to see if their stories match.  if there are serious inconsistencies on questions that should be simple, that could be a reason to take the investigation to the next level.

    if you view every question of constitutional protections in hindsight, then it becomes easy.  but obviously you can't do that.  we like our constitutional protections.  we don't like it when criminals commit crimes or when a crime is committed and no one is convicted.  that's the price of the constitutional protections we have.  if the standard was, well the cops should be able to search this or seize that or arrest this person because this guy could be a murderer or rapist without the requirement of having specific facts indicating that is the case, then our constitutional protections are meaningless because a cop can come up with a real ugly what if or maybe in many situations.

    the benefit is we get to live in a mostly free society without worrying about government taking us away or beating down our doors based on suspicion and the cost is that the cops can't take people away or beat down a door based on a suspicion when those suspicions later turn out to be correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

    I agree with this- and that sounds great- but at 3am in a store parking lot with occupants "passing through"- how on earth could the officer verify or validate the story? He had to make a decision-

    What would your opinion be if the whole story was bullshit but because the officer had no specific evidence of crime- he let them go, against his better judgement- and they raped / murdered the child?

    I mean- do we just say tough garbage- those are the breaks?

     

     

     



    cops separate them and ask questions.  the kid is 13 and should be able to articulate if she's being kidnapped or in danger once she's with police.  but even if she's scared, cops are trained to ask questions to determine if they are full of garbage. simple questions the suspect wouldn't have thought of to see if their stories match.  if there are serious inconsistencies on questions that should be simple, that could be a reason to take the investigation to the next level.

    if you view every question of constitutional protections in hindsight, then it becomes easy.  but obviously you can't do that.  we like our constitutional protections.  we don't like it when criminals commit crimes or when a crime is committed and no one is convicted.  that's the price of the constitutional protections we have.  if the standard was, well the cops should be able to search this or seize that or arrest this person because this guy could be a murderer or rapist without the requirement of having specific facts indicating that is the case, then our constitutional protections are meaningless because a cop can come up with a real ugly what if or maybe in many situations.

    the benefit is we get to live in a mostly free society without worrying about government taking us away or beating down our doors based on suspicion and the cost is that the cops can't take people away or beat down a door based on a suspicion when those suspicions later turn out to be correct.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2013 - 4:28 PM ET #127

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:


    If it's unconstitutional then they have a nice case.  Give ACLU or NAACP a call.  That's what they are there for.  

    Was the child handcuffed?   

    Have you seen some of these people that these cops have to take down?   You do realize some cops are not as big and strong as the people they are arresting.  If anything, it's smart to get handcuffed since that prevents anyone from getting hurt.  If the guy tries to go for the gun or something he might accidentally end up dead.  Something handcuffs could have prevented.  


    i thought the article said the child was handcuffed.

    i agree the cops have a dangerous job and sometimes need to handcuff people for safety, but in this case, i'm saying there was no legal basis to get to that point.  cops asked questions, they got legitimate answers, they did not have any evidence of criminal activity, they needed to let them go. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:


    If it's unconstitutional then they have a nice case.  Give ACLU or NAACP a call.  That's what they are there for.  

    Was the child handcuffed?   

    Have you seen some of these people that these cops have to take down?   You do realize some cops are not as big and strong as the people they are arresting.  If anything, it's smart to get handcuffed since that prevents anyone from getting hurt.  If the guy tries to go for the gun or something he might accidentally end up dead.  Something handcuffs could have prevented.  


    i thought the article said the child was handcuffed.

    i agree the cops have a dangerous job and sometimes need to handcuff people for safety, but in this case, i'm saying there was no legal basis to get to that point.  cops asked questions, they got legitimate answers, they did not have any evidence of criminal activity, they needed to let them go. 


     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2013 - 4:38 PM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    i thought the article said the child was handcuffed.

    i agree the cops have a dangerous job and sometimes need to handcuff people for safety, but in this case, i'm saying there was no legal basis to get to that point.  cops asked questions, they got legitimate answers, they did not have any evidence of criminal activity, they needed to let them go. 



    I don't think the article stated that they received any legitimate answers before going back to the station to look into things further.

    If they did, I doubt they would have had to go back to the station. 

    What they did was a pretty big process and I'm sure was a big deal.  
    If I was a lazy cop I would say screw this I'm not gonna even bother knocking on the car window.  I'll just drive by and let things fall wherever they do.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    i thought the article said the child was handcuffed.

    i agree the cops have a dangerous job and sometimes need to handcuff people for safety, but in this case, i'm saying there was no legal basis to get to that point.  cops asked questions, they got legitimate answers, they did not have any evidence of criminal activity, they needed to let them go. 



    I don't think the article stated that they received any legitimate answers before going back to the station to look into things further.

    If they did, I doubt they would have had to go back to the station. 

    What they did was a pretty big process and I'm sure was a big deal.  
    If I was a lazy cop I would say screw this I'm not gonna even bother knocking on the car window.  I'll just drive by and let things fall wherever they do.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2013 - 4:43 PM ET #129

    i'm assuming because the situation was legitimate, the cops asked questions at the scene and the people answered them.  but i don't know.  in any case, there is no indication there was any evidence of a crime. 
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    i'm assuming because the situation was legitimate, the cops asked questions at the scene and the people answered them.  but i don't know.  in any case, there is no indication there was any evidence of a crime. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2013 - 5:20 PM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:


    It's happened to me but I don't think it's as big of a deal like you are making it.  Probably more than one occasion also.

    Have you or anyone you know been arrested and convicted of a crime they didn't commit?

    Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:


    It's happened to me but I don't think it's as big of a deal like you are making it.  Probably more than one occasion also.

    Have you or anyone you know been arrested and convicted of a crime they didn't commit?

    Absolutely.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2013 - 7:14 PM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Absolutely.


    Yea me too.  Haven't we all?

    I'm sure we got away alot more times than we got caught though.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Absolutely.


    Yea me too.  Haven't we all?

    I'm sure we got away alot more times than we got caught though.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2013 - 7:33 PM ET #132

    The prisons are chock full of people who never did anything illegal, immoral, or fattening... Just ask them...
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    The prisons are chock full of people who never did anything illegal, immoral, or fattening... Just ask them...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2013 - 9:29 AM ET #133

    Lot of ignorant responses.  

    Police are 100% correct here for a myriad of reasons.
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    Lot of ignorant responses.  

    Police are 100% correct here for a myriad of reasons.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2013 - 10:30 AM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:


    It was about 3am so they pulled me over saying I was speeding.  I told them I might have drove fast but I wasn't speeding.  There's the excuse for the test.  I was obviously drinking so I said I had about 3 in the past 4 hours.  Did the test and passed it.  They kept asking 'leading questions' like they did to you.
       You know what, they used a stupid excuse for pulling me over but big deal.  How many times have people driven buzzed or even drunk and have not gotten pulled over.  Everyone acts like they are so innocent when they know fully well they keep breaking the law and haven't gotten caught.  

    You're pretty much at their mercy if they want to make life difficult for you.  Whether it be speeding, swerving out of your lane, or whatever.  No judge is going to believe some random citizen over a cop.  

    The cop I ran into in Virginia was actually a pretty nice guy.  Was my fault for not knowing my rights.  He just asked.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:


    It was about 3am so they pulled me over saying I was speeding.  I told them I might have drove fast but I wasn't speeding.  There's the excuse for the test.  I was obviously drinking so I said I had about 3 in the past 4 hours.  Did the test and passed it.  They kept asking 'leading questions' like they did to you.
       You know what, they used a stupid excuse for pulling me over but big deal.  How many times have people driven buzzed or even drunk and have not gotten pulled over.  Everyone acts like they are so innocent when they know fully well they keep breaking the law and haven't gotten caught.  

    You're pretty much at their mercy if they want to make life difficult for you.  Whether it be speeding, swerving out of your lane, or whatever.  No judge is going to believe some random citizen over a cop.  

    The cop I ran into in Virginia was actually a pretty nice guy.  Was my fault for not knowing my rights.  He just asked.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2013 - 3:52 PM ET #135

    what a BS "law" never heard of it until i clicked on this thread
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    what a BS "law" never heard of it until i clicked on this thread
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2013 - 11:13 AM ET #136

    I don't care what side of the fence you're on here, but there has to be some common sense displayed. No reason these people should have had their lives delayed by a minimum of 11 hrs. It took them that long to figure out everything was legit and they still balked at releasing the child, almost forcing her mother to spend the time and money to go pick her up? 
    I know we are only getting the media version here, but it's safe to say the police department screwed the pooch on this one. 
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    I don't care what side of the fence you're on here, but there has to be some common sense displayed. No reason these people should have had their lives delayed by a minimum of 11 hrs. It took them that long to figure out everything was legit and they still balked at releasing the child, almost forcing her mother to spend the time and money to go pick her up? 
    I know we are only getting the media version here, but it's safe to say the police department screwed the pooch on this one. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2013 - 1:32 PM ET #137

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:


    You're pretty much at their mercy if they want to make life difficult for you.  Whether it be speeding, swerving out of your lane, or whatever.  No judge is going to believe some random citizen over a cop.  

    The cop I ran into in Virginia was actually a pretty nice guy.  Was my fault for not knowing my rights.  He just asked.  

    I think we are at alot of people's mercy whether we believe it or not.  Just jumping in your car and driving, you are at a stranger's mercy.  Some people were not as lucky as most of us.

    Same goes for cops.  I think you are blaming all cops for what some bad cops do.  
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    You're pretty much at their mercy if they want to make life difficult for you.  Whether it be speeding, swerving out of your lane, or whatever.  No judge is going to believe some random citizen over a cop.  

    The cop I ran into in Virginia was actually a pretty nice guy.  Was my fault for not knowing my rights.  He just asked.  

    I think we are at alot of people's mercy whether we believe it or not.  Just jumping in your car and driving, you are at a stranger's mercy.  Some people were not as lucky as most of us.

    Same goes for cops.  I think you are blaming all cops for what some bad cops do.  
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2013 - 1:36 PM ET #138

    Quote Originally Posted by bill702:

    I don't care what side of the fence you're on here, but there has to be some common sense displayed. No reason these people should have had their lives delayed by a minimum of 11 hrs. It took them that long to figure out everything was legit and they still balked at releasing the child, almost forcing her mother to spend the time and money to go pick her up? 
    I know we are only getting the media version here, but it's safe to say the police department screwed the pooch on this one. 

    I think you got it backwards (just like most bettors that bet sports do).
    The police screwed up for getting involved.  Once they got involved a can of worms was opened and they would have a long drawn out process that they had to use kiddy gloves with because if they screwed up in any way the media and public would be very unforgiving.  
       The best these cops could have had was rescue a child.  The worse these cops could have expected happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill702:

    I don't care what side of the fence you're on here, but there has to be some common sense displayed. No reason these people should have had their lives delayed by a minimum of 11 hrs. It took them that long to figure out everything was legit and they still balked at releasing the child, almost forcing her mother to spend the time and money to go pick her up? 
    I know we are only getting the media version here, but it's safe to say the police department screwed the pooch on this one. 

    I think you got it backwards (just like most bettors that bet sports do).
    The police screwed up for getting involved.  Once they got involved a can of worms was opened and they would have a long drawn out process that they had to use kiddy gloves with because if they screwed up in any way the media and public would be very unforgiving.  
       The best these cops could have had was rescue a child.  The worse these cops could have expected happened.
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