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    Is there an actual law that black people aren't allowed

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    ClubDirt
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2013 - 3:44 PM ET #1

    to travel with white people in texas or is it more of an unwritten rule?


    https://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/12/03/3012671/police-handcuff-white-girl-traveling-black-male-dance-instructors/
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    to travel with white people in texas or is it more of an unwritten rule?


    https://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/12/03/3012671/police-handcuff-white-girl-traveling-black-male-dance-instructors/
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2013 - 4:08 PM ET #2

    More proof that the South will never rise again
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2013 - 4:37 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    More proof that the South will never rise again

    certainly an indictment of the entire South...good point

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    More proof that the South will never rise again

    certainly an indictment of the entire South...good point

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2013 - 4:40 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    More proof that the South will never rise again

    This was a little girl in the car with two grown men, sleeping at a gas station in the middle of the night. I think the police had a valid cause for concern. Yes, the reasonable thing to do would have been to call the mother to confirm the notarized letter, but to make this a race issue is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    More proof that the South will never rise again

    This was a little girl in the car with two grown men, sleeping at a gas station in the middle of the night. I think the police had a valid cause for concern. Yes, the reasonable thing to do would have been to call the mother to confirm the notarized letter, but to make this a race issue is ridiculous.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2013 - 8:08 PM ET #5



    Knew it wouldn't take long here for some jackazz to defend the police.
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    Knew it wouldn't take long here for some jackazz to defend the police.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2013 - 11:12 PM ET #6

    I do believe that was a Texas law at one time.
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    I do believe that was a Texas law at one time.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 11:32 AM ET #7

    They probably already garbaged her.
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    They probably already garbaged her.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 11:54 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by jk1985:


    This was a little girl in the car with two grown men, sleeping at a gas station in the middle of the night. I think the police had a valid cause for concern. Yes, the reasonable thing to do would have been to call the mother to confirm the notarized letter, but to make this a race issue is ridiculous.

    This was an idiot move by the police no matter what the race of the guardians were.  They took every precaution (notarized letter) and the police just completely ignored it.  What a joke.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by jk1985:


    This was a little girl in the car with two grown men, sleeping at a gas station in the middle of the night. I think the police had a valid cause for concern. Yes, the reasonable thing to do would have been to call the mother to confirm the notarized letter, but to make this a race issue is ridiculous.

    This was an idiot move by the police no matter what the race of the guardians were.  They took every precaution (notarized letter) and the police just completely ignored it.  What a joke.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 12:03 PM ET #9

    Unfortunately, it's called 'probable cause'.  And if she was found in a ditch a day later the police would be on the hot seat.
    Notarized letters can be forged.  And some criminals are very smart.  
    Just ask Jeffrey Dahmer when he took the little kid from the cops and ended up killing him.  
    Nobody once to err on the side of caution but love to point fingers when things go wrong.
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    Unfortunately, it's called 'probable cause'.  And if she was found in a ditch a day later the police would be on the hot seat.
    Notarized letters can be forged.  And some criminals are very smart.  
    Just ask Jeffrey Dahmer when he took the little kid from the cops and ended up killing him.  
    Nobody once to err on the side of caution but love to point fingers when things go wrong.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 1:48 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:


    This was an idiot move by the police no matter what the race of the guardians were.  They took every precaution (notarized letter) and the police just completely ignored it.  What a joke.  

    I'm sure the letter was for the approval of dance competition and not specifically for the cops.
     The silly letter doesn't prove nothing to the cops.  The cops were correct in looking into this further.  
       I think by rule cops usually look into cars on side of freeways or people sleeping in their cars.  It just so happened that this incident looked suspicious to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:


    This was an idiot move by the police no matter what the race of the guardians were.  They took every precaution (notarized letter) and the police just completely ignored it.  What a joke.  

    I'm sure the letter was for the approval of dance competition and not specifically for the cops.
     The silly letter doesn't prove nothing to the cops.  The cops were correct in looking into this further.  
       I think by rule cops usually look into cars on side of freeways or people sleeping in their cars.  It just so happened that this incident looked suspicious to them.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 2:20 PM ET #11

    probable cause to handcuff a black guy who is breaking no law but who is just with a white kid?  jesus, i'd hate to live in your police state. 
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    probable cause to handcuff a black guy who is breaking no law but who is just with a white kid?  jesus, i'd hate to live in your police state. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 3:46 PM ET #12

    Handcuffing can be a form of detention

    That is not an arrest 
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    Handcuffing can be a form of detention

    That is not an arrest 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 3:51 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    probable cause to handcuff a black guy who is breaking no law but who is just with a white kid?  jesus, i'd hate to live in your police state. 

    Handcuff for officer safety.  Once he gets put in the holding cell he will be uncuffed.

    The child could have been sold to them by mommy, kidnapped, a runaway, etc etc. 

    If it was your child I'm sure you would expect the same.

    It's a crappy incident but sometimes they gotta be thorough and follow police procedure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    probable cause to handcuff a black guy who is breaking no law but who is just with a white kid?  jesus, i'd hate to live in your police state. 

    Handcuff for officer safety.  Once he gets put in the holding cell he will be uncuffed.

    The child could have been sold to them by mommy, kidnapped, a runaway, etc etc. 

    If it was your child I'm sure you would expect the same.

    It's a crappy incident but sometimes they gotta be thorough and follow police procedure.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 3:54 PM ET #14

    Lets get fukng real people. STOP AND LOOK. Houston is in the top 5 in the USA for children/human trafficking. IT IS A KNOWN. Seeing 2 mid-20's black men with a 13 YEAR OLD WHITE GIRL all sleeping in a car at 3 am SHOULD RAISE SOME FUKING RED FLAGS. What would any 13 year old be doing sleeping a car at 3am UNLESS it was with HER PARENTS. You guys are morons. The cops had NO CHOICE but to DETAIN THEM ALL to get the story straight. IF THEY WERE OR HAD KIDNAPPED THAT 13 year old how else would the cops have sorted this out unless they were all DETAINED ? 

    THAT SCENE JUST LOOKED WRONG AND THAT COP SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR HIS ACTIONS. 

    WHAT IF ? PEOPLE ? THEN WHAT ? 


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    Lets get fukng real people. STOP AND LOOK. Houston is in the top 5 in the USA for children/human trafficking. IT IS A KNOWN. Seeing 2 mid-20's black men with a 13 YEAR OLD WHITE GIRL all sleeping in a car at 3 am SHOULD RAISE SOME FUKING RED FLAGS. What would any 13 year old be doing sleeping a car at 3am UNLESS it was with HER PARENTS. You guys are morons. The cops had NO CHOICE but to DETAIN THEM ALL to get the story straight. IF THEY WERE OR HAD KIDNAPPED THAT 13 year old how else would the cops have sorted this out unless they were all DETAINED ? 

    THAT SCENE JUST LOOKED WRONG AND THAT COP SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR HIS ACTIONS. 

    WHAT IF ? PEOPLE ? THEN WHAT ? 


     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 3:56 PM ET #15

    I BET THE ANYONE OF YOU WHO ARE IGNORANT AND RESPONDING FOOLISHLY WOULD FEEL SO MUCH BETTER TO KNOW THE COP WHO DETAINED THEM WAS BLACK.

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    I BET THE ANYONE OF YOU WHO ARE IGNORANT AND RESPONDING FOOLISHLY WOULD FEEL SO MUCH BETTER TO KNOW THE COP WHO DETAINED THEM WAS BLACK.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DickyR:

    I BET THE ANYONE OF YOU WHO ARE IGNORANT AND RESPONDING FOOLISHLY WOULD FEEL SO MUCH BETTER TO KNOW THE COP WHO DETAINED THEM WAS BLACK.


    Is he dark skinned black or light skinned black?   That's makes a big difference here. 
        Is he black as in American-Black or is he Nigerian black?  That makes a difference also.
      
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    Quote Originally Posted by DickyR:

    I BET THE ANYONE OF YOU WHO ARE IGNORANT AND RESPONDING FOOLISHLY WOULD FEEL SO MUCH BETTER TO KNOW THE COP WHO DETAINED THEM WAS BLACK.


    Is he dark skinned black or light skinned black?   That's makes a big difference here. 
        Is he black as in American-Black or is he Nigerian black?  That makes a difference also.
      
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villemure30:

    Handcuffing can be a form of detention

    That is not an arrest 

    For purposes of Miranda, handcuffing will always be considered 'in custody' to the degree of formal arrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Villemure30:

    Handcuffing can be a form of detention

    That is not an arrest 

    For purposes of Miranda, handcuffing will always be considered 'in custody' to the degree of formal arrest.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 4:20 PM ET #18

    When is the race warfare going to end so we can get to the real issues of class warfare. MERICA!!!!
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    When is the race warfare going to end so we can get to the real issues of class warfare. MERICA!!!!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DickyR:

    I BET THE ANYONE OF YOU WHO ARE IGNORANT AND RESPONDING FOOLISHLY WOULD FEEL SO MUCH BETTER TO KNOW THE COP WHO DETAINED THEM WAS BLACK.



    makes no difference what color the cop was.  there are plenty of minority cops out there.  they profile just like white cops. 

    you guys can justify this if you want, it's ok as long as it happens to other people, but it's pretty scary when black people can get arrested for being with a white person and the justification is, well, this or that could have happened.  if that's a legitimate justification for handcuffing someone and taking them away, when couldn't the cops do it? 

    but it's all fun and games as long as it happens to those other people. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by DickyR:

    I BET THE ANYONE OF YOU WHO ARE IGNORANT AND RESPONDING FOOLISHLY WOULD FEEL SO MUCH BETTER TO KNOW THE COP WHO DETAINED THEM WAS BLACK.



    makes no difference what color the cop was.  there are plenty of minority cops out there.  they profile just like white cops. 

    you guys can justify this if you want, it's ok as long as it happens to other people, but it's pretty scary when black people can get arrested for being with a white person and the justification is, well, this or that could have happened.  if that's a legitimate justification for handcuffing someone and taking them away, when couldn't the cops do it? 

    but it's all fun and games as long as it happens to those other people. 
     
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    I'm sure the letter was for the approval of dance competition and not specifically for the cops.
     The silly letter doesn't prove nothing to the cops.  The cops were correct in looking into this further.  
    _________________________________

    You make no sense.  It says the mom gave those 2 guardianship.  Has nothing to do with cops.  And "looking into this further" could have easily been just a phone call to the mom.  

    "Established guardianship for the trip."  What part of that don't you understand?  

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    I'm sure the letter was for the approval of dance competition and not specifically for the cops.
     The silly letter doesn't prove nothing to the cops.  The cops were correct in looking into this further.  
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    You make no sense.  It says the mom gave those 2 guardianship.  Has nothing to do with cops.  And "looking into this further" could have easily been just a phone call to the mom.  

    "Established guardianship for the trip."  What part of that don't you understand?  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 4:28 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    For purposes of Miranda, handcuffing will always be considered 'in custody' to the degree of formal arrest.


    Yea but not necessarily applies in this case.
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    For purposes of Miranda, handcuffing will always be considered 'in custody' to the degree of formal arrest.


    Yea but not necessarily applies in this case.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    I'm sure the letter was for the approval of dance competition and not specifically for the cops.
     The silly letter doesn't prove nothing to the cops.  The cops were correct in looking into this further.  
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    You make no sense.  It says the mom gave those 2 guardianship.  Has nothing to do with cops.  And "looking into this further" could have easily been just a phone call to the mom.  

    "Established guardianship for the trip."  What part of that don't you understand?  


    Yes, most likely to give the administrator/organizer of the dance competition permission that her daughter can dance and those guys are her guardian.
    What cop do you know will accept a letter of guardianship without further investigation?   

    And how do suppose they are able to get a valid phone number?  Yea, dumb cop is gonna get a random number from these guys to clear them.  Yea that's real smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    I'm sure the letter was for the approval of dance competition and not specifically for the cops.
     The silly letter doesn't prove nothing to the cops.  The cops were correct in looking into this further.  
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    You make no sense.  It says the mom gave those 2 guardianship.  Has nothing to do with cops.  And "looking into this further" could have easily been just a phone call to the mom.  

    "Established guardianship for the trip."  What part of that don't you understand?  


    Yes, most likely to give the administrator/organizer of the dance competition permission that her daughter can dance and those guys are her guardian.
    What cop do you know will accept a letter of guardianship without further investigation?   

    And how do suppose they are able to get a valid phone number?  Yea, dumb cop is gonna get a random number from these guys to clear them.  Yea that's real smart.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2013 - 4:32 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    I'm sure the letter was for the approval of dance competition and not specifically for the cops.
     The silly letter doesn't prove nothing to the cops.  The cops were correct in looking into this further.  
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    You make no sense.  It says the mom gave those 2 guardianship.  Has nothing to do with cops.  And "looking into this further" could have easily been just a phone call to the mom.  

    "Established guardianship for the trip."  What part of that don't you understand?  


    That's what happens when articles are written in a misleading way to confuse people like you with no common sense.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    I'm sure the letter was for the approval of dance competition and not specifically for the cops.
     The silly letter doesn't prove nothing to the cops.  The cops were correct in looking into this further.  
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    You make no sense.  It says the mom gave those 2 guardianship.  Has nothing to do with cops.  And "looking into this further" could have easily been just a phone call to the mom.  

    "Established guardianship for the trip."  What part of that don't you understand?  


    That's what happens when articles are written in a misleading way to confuse people like you with no common sense.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    makes no difference what color the cop was.  there are plenty of minority cops out there.  they profile just like white cops. 

    you guys can justify this if you want, it's ok as long as it happens to other people, but it's pretty scary when black people can get arrested for being with a white person and the justification is, well, this or that could have happened.  if that's a legitimate justification for handcuffing someone and taking them away, when couldn't the cops do it? 

    but it's all fun and games as long as it happens to those other people. 

    I guess you rather have 'reactive policing' rather than 'proactive policing'

    Reactive policing is still alive and well.  Go move yourself into a high crime slum and you will get that type of policing.  
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    makes no difference what color the cop was.  there are plenty of minority cops out there.  they profile just like white cops. 

    you guys can justify this if you want, it's ok as long as it happens to other people, but it's pretty scary when black people can get arrested for being with a white person and the justification is, well, this or that could have happened.  if that's a legitimate justification for handcuffing someone and taking them away, when couldn't the cops do it? 

    but it's all fun and games as long as it happens to those other people. 

    I guess you rather have 'reactive policing' rather than 'proactive policing'

    Reactive policing is still alive and well.  Go move yourself into a high crime slum and you will get that type of policing.  
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    makes no difference what color the cop was.  there are plenty of minority cops out there.  they profile just like white cops. 

    you guys can justify this if you want, it's ok as long as it happens to other people, but it's pretty scary when black people can get arrested for being with a white person and the justification is, well, this or that could have happened.  if that's a legitimate justification for handcuffing someone and taking them away, when couldn't the cops do it? 

    but it's all fun and games as long as it happens to those other people. 

    I guess you rather have 'reactive policing' rather than 'proactive policing'

    Reactive policing is still alive and well.  Go move yourself into a high crime slum and you will get that type of policing.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    makes no difference what color the cop was.  there are plenty of minority cops out there.  they profile just like white cops. 

    you guys can justify this if you want, it's ok as long as it happens to other people, but it's pretty scary when black people can get arrested for being with a white person and the justification is, well, this or that could have happened.  if that's a legitimate justification for handcuffing someone and taking them away, when couldn't the cops do it? 

    but it's all fun and games as long as it happens to those other people. 

    I guess you rather have 'reactive policing' rather than 'proactive policing'

    Reactive policing is still alive and well.  Go move yourself into a high crime slum and you will get that type of policing.  
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