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Quote Originally Posted by Derrrty19:



You failed to make a single point in your favor. I'm not trying to convince anybody thats were you got me wrong. And I wasn't comparing losses. I was comparing scheduling strength, and Alabama's is a joke. Compared to who Okla State ? If your rebuttle is 95% emoticons,is that better and your picture is an Alabama picture, what you don't like Saban calling you a box you have the credibility of a 3rd grader. I'm only in the 2nd grade Congrats my man. Thank you When Oklahoma State unjustly gets passed over for the championship, I'll be laughing when LSU wins by over 2 TDs. Wake up you're sleep walking

You still don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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Posted: #177

I am not an SEC fan and being from Texas follow Big12 football closely.

Clearly LSU or Alabama defense would neutralize OSU offense. Past years OU teams that went to NC game against USC and Fla just could not compete.

That being said I would still rather have anyone other than LSU/Bama playing again - we already saw that

Lsu vs OSU or Stanford  

 
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Posted: #178
there's no reason for Bama to play them again..

they already did, at home, and lost... so what's going to change?

comparing Bama and Okie St based on total season resume easily favors OSU.. + Bama already had their shot and blew it.. y do they get another chance?

just seems silly.. Bama may be the 2nd best team, but it's hard to know considering they only played 2 top 30 teams.. Okie State would have played 8.. and beaten 7.. 

again, if you compare resumes.. OSU > Bama and its not close..

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:

there's no reason for Bama to play them again..

they already did, at home, and lost... so what's going to change? - Did you watch that game... If you did then you already know the answer to that question. A game in OT that could have gone either way, now with National Championship implications could also go either way. Kind of a dumb question...

comparing Bama and Okie St based on total season resume easily favors OSU.. + Bama already had their shot and blew it.. y do they get another chance? - I completely disagree... Bama plays in the SEC ,and Ok st plays teams out of the SEC. The lost to an unranked team, struggled against Texas AM, and had 30+ points scored on them by Tulsa, and La Laf. They are a complete joke when compared to Bama. 

just seems silly.. Bama may be the 2nd best team, but it's hard to know considering they only played 2 top 30 teams.. Okie State would have played 8.. and beaten 7.. 

again, if you compare resumes.. OSU > Bama and its not close..


Wrong... Bama plays in the SEC, Ok st doesn't... Bama would destroy all the teams Ok st struggled against. 
 
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Posted: #180

It don't matter if you think they deserve to play again...

Let that sink in, are even better make you a sign and go protest it somewhere were you think somebodys gives a fuck.

 
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Now need Tappy he is damn sure an Alabama hater and always has been.
 
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OK so just so I can confirm..

Bamas main argument for being the #2 team in the nation is that it lost a close game at home in OT to the #1 team in the country.,.

so I ask, if that close loss is more important than an entire seasons work?

If you think it is, fine.. that's your opinion..

but you cannot dispute the facts that in basically every h2h category between Okie St and Bama, OSU's resume is far more impressive..

more top 25 wins
more top 50 wins
better SOS
won its conference
beat more teams with winning records

I mean, the only thing Bama fans have going for them is the close loss to Bama (a game in which Bama should have won).. if you take that as your only case.. than fine..

I like to look at an entire body of work when comparing teams with the same record, which is y OSU stands out to me way more than Bama and its one night home game loss to LSU in which they scored 2 Fgs..

 
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I take it, you"re not from the South...Right???...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:




well... before the BCS system, we had a system in place that relied completely upon human judgment... that was seen to be grossly ineffective and unfair, so it was replaced by the BCS system to neutralize (but not eliminate) the human factor...

what i hear you saying is that we should go back to the old system... which is really the subject of a different debate...

but under the system we have in place... it simply does not matter who we "KNOW" is the best or 2nd best... the system is intended to MEASURE that on a quantitative basis, with computers that use advanced algorithms... i.e., they create a formula that gives you a value to correlate with the OVERALL performance of a team throughout the season... i.e., taking into account every game and every point scored... etc...

we can't just choose to throw out the system when it suits us... not in the middle of the season, anyway...

i would definitely support throwing it out... but right now, that's obviously not an option...
that system was bad too,i support a playoff,my argument is based on what i think what would happen if there was a playoff,and im also of the opinion that Bama would beat A& M,and Iowa st really bad 2 teams that ok st struggled against this is why i think Alabama is 2nd best team in nation,and i have seen overhyped big 12 teams get in bcs title games before and get there asses kicked,i dont ever need to see another overhyped big 12 team in the bcs title game,and i do think Oklahoma St fits that description.and also if theres no playoff,i would rather just do away with bcs all together and have pac-big 10 rose,fiesta,orange,cotton,sugar all played on Jan 1,i dont need college football played into 2nd week of january.
 
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Let me sum this whole thing up.... SEC fans say that the SEC is the hardest... they are right.... most other fans say that their conf. is the hardest... they are wrong...

everyone has their own opinion... some people's opinions are flawed.. this is the case with anyone who thinks the SEC is not the best conf. in NCAAF.

 

Simple!

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:

OK so just so I can confirm..

Bamas main argument for being the #2 team in the nation is that it lost a close game at home in OT to the #1 team in the country.,.

so I ask, if that close loss is more important than an entire seasons work?

If you think it is, fine.. that's your opinion..

but you cannot dispute the facts that in basically every h2h category between Okie St and Bama, OSU's resume is far more impressive..

more top 25 wins
more top 50 wins
better SOS
won its conference
beat more teams with winning records

I mean, the only thing Bama fans have going for them is the close loss to Bama (a game in which Bama should have won).. if you take that as your only case.. than fine..

I like to look at an entire body of work when comparing teams with the same record, which is y OSU stands out to me way more than Bama and its one night home game loss to LSU in which they scored 2 Fgs..

See you don't get it yet...

Alabama is not making a main argument.

Nick Saban is not making a main argument.

Saban said on espn yesterday for the whole world to hear.

Pick the 2 best teams and i can live with that.

Alabama haters are making it an argument....and its a waste of you time really...pointless...

Saban never said pick us damn it, are i'm going to get pissed.

Saban never said Please pick Alabama.

So you're point is again pointless...........<

 
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Correction:

See you don't get it yet...

Alabama is not making a main argument.

Nick Saban is not making a main argument.

Saban said on espn yesterday for the whole world to hear.

Pick the 2 best teams and i can live with that.

Alabama haters are making it an argument....and its a waste of you're time really...pointless...

Saban never said pick us damn it, are i'm going to get pissed.

Saban never said Please pick Alabama.

So you're point is again pointless...........<

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:

OK so just so I can confirm..

Bamas main argument for being the #2 team in the nation is that it lost a close game at home in OT to the #1 team in the country.,.

so I ask, if that close loss is more important than an entire seasons work?

If you think it is, fine.. that's your opinion..

but you cannot dispute the facts that in basically every h2h category between Okie St and Bama, OSU's resume is far more impressive..

more top 25 wins - SO? Those aren't SEC teams... 
more top 50 wins - Still not SEC teams... 
better SOS - They play in the Big 12
won its conference - Big 12  
beat more teams with winning records - Pretty easy to do that in the Big 12 against pathetic teams. 

I mean, the only thing Bama fans have going for them is the close loss to Bama (a game in which Bama should have won).. if you take that as your only case.. than fine.. - No, they have the fact that they DESTROYED every single team they played all season long, have the best defense in the nation, and BARELY lost in OT to the #1 team in the Nation. There is NO other resume like that one. 

I like to look at an entire body of work when comparing teams with the same record, which is y OSU stands out to me way more than Bama and its one night home game loss to LSU in which they scored 2 Fgs..


That is your opinion... 
 
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Posted: #189
Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:


That is your opinion... 


does it not occur to you the SEC is WAY down this yr?  Not to mention Bama only faced 2 ranked SEC teams?

UGA lost to Boise at home
SC is without Lattimore and a borderline top 25 team

and that's it.. the rest of the SEC is absolute piss...

so who cares if they are not SEC teams?  the SEC blows this year outside of 5 teams, 2 of which Bama didn't even play..

c'mon..
 
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Posted: #190

the bottom half of the sec this year is really down..that said , OK ST would have 2 OR 3  losses amongest LSU , ALA , GA , ARK and USC...

they just don't see the team speed that the top sec teams have on defense...

 

 
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Guys, I don't know why this argument is still going on. Ice has never been wrong since he first appeared in this forum (under his current name) in December 2008. If he says OSU should play LSU for the NC, then it must be so. He has told us OSU has the best collegiate offense in the land. Although it has nothing to do with his being a homer, his assertion that the Big 12 is the best conference in the land must be accepted, and their champion MUST be included in the National Championship. All this discussion of football is beside the point. 

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

my point has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt to anybody with a remotely open-mind and a few working brain cells...


shit... most of the people arguing AGAINST my point have made a rock-solid case for me, simply by avoiding all real arguments...


see ya!


Because you have clearly shown that you have an open mind in this thread.

LSU would crush Oklahoma St. in a Championship game and I hope that is way it plays out to shut up dipshits like yourself. The SEC has bigger, faster and stronger athletes top to bottom than any other conference. Oregon has a very good and speedy offense and can put up points but their D is awful and that's been proven when they have played the SEC recently. Oklahoma St. is the same. They have a great offense but their D sucks. The SEC plays better defense than any other conference. AND you can count last years NC game because Oregon is playing with most of the same players.

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



does it not occur to you the SEC is WAY down this yr?  Not to mention Bama only faced 2 ranked SEC teams? - No, the SEC is not down this year... They only seem that way because LSU and Bama are so far ahead of them. Against the rest of the nation, they are still the elite for the most part. And of course these teams aren't ranked when the rest of the nation is getting all these style points against pathetic defenses, while the SEC is beating up on each other in close defensive games. 

UGA lost to Boise at home
SC is without Lattimore and a borderline top 25 team - UGA is no where near Bama and LSU, however if they played Boise right now I think they would beat them. In the same respect, Arkansas beat Texas AM, SC beat Clemson, Ga beat Ga tech, LSU beat Oregon, and WV. 

and that's it.. the rest of the SEC is absolute piss... Not really at all... Top to bottom, they are still better than any other conference out there. 

so who cares if they are not SEC teams?  the SEC blows this year outside of 5 teams, 2 of which Bama didn't even play..

c'mon..

Not really at all, sorry... 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Atlanta:

Guys, I don't know why this argument is still going on. Ice has never been wrong since he first appeared in this forum (under his current name) in December 2008. If he says OSU should play LSU for the NC, then it must be so. He has told us OSU has the best collegiate offense in the land. Although it has nothing to do with his being a homer, his assertion that the Big 12 is the best conference in the land must be accepted, and their champion MUST be included in the National Championship. All this discussion of football is beside the point. 

 


Thank you for this! HAHAHA!   
 
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Oklahoma St is the Arkansas of the Big 12 and nothing more. 
 
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SatNIghtFever-

It's useless to argue with those two Alabama homers. They refuse to believe that LSU beat them fair and square. Last time i looked, special teams and coaching was part of being a "team". Yet they still cry and complain in a bunch of threads about how Alabama should have won that game. They also spout non-sense about how the SEC is so superior. That is such bullshit and i am a SEC supporter. The conference is way down this year, yet they refuse to believe it. For years i bashed they Pac-10 and their style of football but with Oregon, USC, and Stanford, they have three very strong teams, Same with the Big 12. Ultimately i think LSU and Alabama could beat most of those teams, but as a conference the SEC is down this year. They also refuse to believe that Alabama's defense played a bunch of sorry offensive teams this year and that helped pad those statistics. They just rant and rave about how good their team and the SEC is and when they can't have it their way they will just start calling you names and cussing you out like a couple of 12 year old kids. I really want to see the rematch and see LSU kick Alabama's ass so these two can STFU!!! But they will probably still make excuses about how the Superdome is a home game for LSU even though they know that it is not. Until then i woudn't even waste my time trying to discuss the game with those two homers.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:


Wrong... Bama plays in the SEC, Ok st doesn't... Bama would destroy all the teams Ok st struggled against. 



how the fuck do you survive in the world when the reality inside your head is so far gone from the objective reality existing outside of your brain?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by blowoutgm:

SatNIghtFever-

It's useless to argue with those two Alabama homers. They refuse to believe that LSU beat them fair and square. Last time i looked, special teams and coaching was part of being a "team". Yet they still cry and complain in a bunch of threads about how Alabama should have won that game. They also spout non-sense about how the SEC is so superior. That is such bullshit and i am a SEC supporter. The conference is way down this year, yet they refuse to believe it. For years i bashed they Pac-10 and their style of football but with Oregon, USC, and Stanford, they have three very strong teams, Same with the Big 12. Ultimately i think LSU and Alabama could beat most of those teams, but as a conference the SEC is down this year. They also refuse to believe that Alabama's defense played a bunch of sorry offensive teams this year and that helped pad those statistics. They just rant and rave about how good their team and the SEC is and when they can't have it their way they will just start calling you names and cussing you out like a couple of 12 year old kids. I really want to see the rematch and see LSU kick Alabama's ass so these two can STFU!!! But they will probably still make excuses about how the Superdome is a home game for LSU even though they know that it is not. Until then i woudn't even waste my time trying to discuss the game with those two homers.


Not that I care what you think, but I want to clarify a few things. I made an entire thread on the game about our loss to LSU, and congratulated them on their win. Regarding that game, I have clearly stated that they are the best team in the nation right now, and they beat us in that game. Do I think the better team won in that game
? No, and I am with the majority of the nation on that one. A few calls go the other way, and we win that game. It was an evenly matched game, and a rematch would be another all out war. Why? Because these are the two best teams in the nation, and everyone else is a complete step down, and that includes any team in the Big 12. 

Secondly, the perception of the SEC this season by all of you people is quite laughable. Everyone thinks that because LSU and Bama beat the crap out of everyone in the SEC that they are a step down this season. Nothing could be farther from the truth... The SEC is still the most dominant conference in all of CF, and top to bottom better than any other conference out there. They are ranked they way they are because they are all evenly
matched, physical teams. You can deny that all you want, but it's the truth, and you don't need me to tell it to you. The SEC has proved that for the past 5  seasons, and until another conference can come in and prove them differently, the fact remains. 
 
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"SEC is SOOOOO overrated!" statements like this is just, what Carlos Mencia would say... "reeetarrrrded!"

I didn't even have to read you're posts to know that this thread was REEETARRRDED!

how can something that's good, be overrated? REEETARRRRED!

I guess Brady, Rodgers & Brees are overrated too?... let's look at their so call "bye weeks"... let's not, and say we did cause if we did it'll just be... REEETARRRRDED!

maybe you just like riding okla st $#!@ too much, and you're clueless?.







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SNF... i appreciate seeing you in here picking up this debate...


it is funny to me, that there will always only be 4 or 5 people agreeing with me, and 20 or 30 disagreeing... but look at the people on either side?

they are the people who have been here, doing this, establishing a solid reputation for having a very high-level knowledge base in this game... like me, you, BookieAssassin, JimmydaFreak, JWheels... and the guys on the other side are all 15 posts, joined in Nov 2011, or they have fucking Alabama logos on their page...

do they not even realize at some level that they have a bias?

i will take the 4 that know their shit and have proven that over many seasons, over the 20 idiots who will be gone next month, ANY DAY... and as if i needed it, this just lends even more weight to the argument...

look at who is on either side of this argument... objectively and intelligently... when your allies are all idiots... does it not occur to you that you might be fighting the wrong battle?

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