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Best post in the entire thread.




i disagree... i think this is the best (funniest at least)... because you just applauded a guy who (a) clearly does not realize that 5 out of 7 computer polls had Okla St rated higher than Alabama... and (b) said the computers "pick" which team is better, as if there is anything other than an analysis of data compiled by objective (at least attempted) measures...

you're a joke!  people will get that soon...


anybody who says, early in November... "this is the first time i've ever lost this late in the year... this is uncharted territory"... is somebody who is either (a) completely full of shit, or (b) has not been doing this for more than a couple of seasons...
 
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Besides Obama only NCAA could come up with a more illogical national championship based on the best of TWO games

This is completely ignorant and I will personally be boycotting this game and most other bowl games, until the NCAA comes up with a reasonable method to determine a national championship or just quit naming a national champion.  If all would boycott this idiotic system, maybe we could get some reasonable changes and this is from an Alabama fan.


All I hear is  and you are NO Alabama fan... You may like Alabama and cheer for them, but you aren't a true fan. Where I live, there hasn't been a single person that I know as a friend, or is in my family that wasn't begging for this rematch, and that doesn't think Bama deserves it. None of them would miss a snap, much less boycott an entire game. So please rephrase your claim to being a "Bama fan"...


 
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Besides Obama only NCAA could come up with a more illogical national championship based on the best of TWO games

This is completely ignorant and I will personally be boycotting this game and most other bowl games, until the NCAA comes up with a reasonable method to determine a national championship or just quit naming a national champion.  If all would boycott this idiotic system, maybe we could get some reasonable changes and this is from an Alabama fan.

The NCAA has never, ever named a national champion, and probably never will.  Throughout history various polls have established the national champion, and because there was more than one poll, there were often more than one national champion for a given year.  Then came the BCS which was designed to consolidate the polls and eliminate many of the vagaries.  The BCS, however, is not affiliated with the NCAA in any way shape or form.

I hear soccer is looking for some new fans. 

 

 
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Posted: #104
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Apples and Oranges...

Really? Your whole argument why OSU shouldn't be playing in the NC is bc who they lost to right?
 
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Really? Your whole argument why OSU shouldn't be playing in the NC is bc who they lost to right?

That was a part of it, but my main argument was that they play in the Big 12. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

LSU's offense took possession of the ball in field goal range for their second and third field goals.  The second field goal drive was 3 plays for -1 yard, and the third field goal was 4 plays for 17 yards.

I agree that Alabama's offense will have the same challenge.  The biigest difference in the first game was that Alabama's offense was balanced.  They had some success both running and passing, where LSU was rendered completely one-dimensional.  That's why I have repeatedly said that LSU will have to be able to make some plays downfield in the passing game to keep Alabama's defense somewhat honest.  If they can't, they won't win.  It's as simple as that.

Because both defenses are so dominant, this game will go way UNDER the total again.

 

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That wasn't the first game they were out gained this year, but they still won.

 How can a team that was rendered one dimensional beat Alabama? What makes you think they can't do it again? Aside from the fact that Saban make crucial coaching errors, what makes yu think that bama would have scored anymore had he punted and played field position? 

I never mentioned that LSU was outgained.  I was responding to "blowouts" question as to why I said that Alabama's defense only surrendered 3 points in the game.  I pointed out that the reason I said that is because LSU took possession of the ball in FG range for their second and third FGs, therefore we cannot fairly assign blame to Alabama's defense for giving up those points.

The remainder of your post exceeds the topic that was being discussed.  Nevertheless, I'll respond.

How can a team that was rendered one dimensional beat Alabama?

I'm not really sure what you're asking me here.  If you watched the game you know how they won the game.  If you're disputing whether LSU's offense was rendered one-dimensional or not, then please explain why you feel they weren't.  Personally I think it was pretty clear they were.

What makes you think they can't do it again?

Nothing.  LSU is very capable of doing it again.

Aside from the fact that Saban make crucial coaching errors, what makes yu think that bama would have scored anymore had he punted and played field position?

I'll address this question in two parts.

Alabama has 2 FG kickers - one is a short-range kicker (Jeremy Shelley), and one a long-range kicker Cade Foster).  There would be no reason to have a long-range FG kicker if you're not going to attempt long field goals, so I don't entirely agree with your opinion that Saban made "crucial coaching errors."  It's always easy to say a coach made an error when whatever decision he made didn't play out in his favor.  How would your opinion change if Cade Foster had made the 3 FGs he missed?

Where I agree with you is when after Cade Foster missed his first 2 FGs, Saban sent Jeremy Shelley (the short-range kicker) out to attempt a 49-yard FG.  To me sending out a kicker to attempt a FG that is well outside of his range early in the second quarter of a 0-0 game was more than a "crucial coaching error," it was outright stupidity.

You may recall that FG attempt was blocked because Shelley kicked the ball so low that he almost hit his lineman in the back.  Needless to say, it was an easy block for LSU.

As far as what I think would have happened had Saban elected to punt rather than attempt FGs, that is a purely hypothetical question so I really have no opinion one way or the other, and I have never have offered one.  Therefore, if I had to answer the question, I would be compelled to answer "nothing."

 

 
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Posted: #107
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That was a part of it, but my main argument was that they play in the Big 12. 

You should have stuck with your original argument. What if OSU lost to A&M by 1 and then won out? They would be in the NC in my opinion. They lost their spot In the NC bc of who they lost to, period.
 
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You should have stuck with your original argument. What if OSU lost to A&M by 1 and then won out? They would be in the NC in my opinion. They lost their spot In the NC bc of who they lost to, period.

Not really... I could still say that Bama got in because they play in the SEC. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

I never mentioned that LSU was outgained.  I was responding to "blowouts" question as to why I said that Alabama's defense only surrendered 3 points in the game.  I pointed out that the reason I said that is because LSU took possession of the ball in FG range for their second and third FGs, therefore we cannot fairly assign blame to Alabama's defense for giving up those points.

The remainder of your post exceeds the topic that was being discussed.  Nevertheless, I'll respond.

How can a team that was rendered one dimensional beat Alabama?

I'm not really sure what you're asking me here.  If you watched the game you know how they won the game.  If you're disputing whether LSU's offense was rendered one-dimensional or not, then please explain why you feel they weren't.  Personally I think it was pretty clear they were.

What makes you think they can't do it again?

Nothing.  LSU is very capable of doing it again.

Aside from the fact that Saban make crucial coaching errors, what makes yu think that bama would have scored anymore had he punted and played field position?

I'll address this question in two parts.

Alabama has 2 FG kickers - one is a short-range kicker (Jeremy Shelley), and one a long-range kicker Cade Foster).  There would be no reason to have a long-range FG kicker if you're not going to attempt long field goals, so I don't entirely agree with your opinion that Saban made "crucial coaching errors."  It's always easy to say a coach made an error when whatever decision he made didn't play out in his favor.  How would your opinion change if Cade Foster had made the 3 FGs he missed?

Where I agree with you is when after Cade Foster missed his first 2 FGs, Saban sent Jeremy Shelley (the short-range kicker) out to attempt a 49-yard FG.  To me sending out a kicker to attempt a FG that is well outside of his range early in the second quarter of a 0-0 game was more than a "crucial coaching error," it was outright stupidity.

You may recall that FG attempt was blocked because Shelley kicked the ball so low that he almost hit his lineman in the back.  Needless to say, it was an easy block for LSU.

As far as what I think would have happened had Saban elected to punt rather than attempt FGs, that is a purely hypothetical question so I really have no opinion one way or the other, and I have never have offered one.  Therefore, if I had to answer the question, I would be compelled to answer "nothing."

 


Your long fg kicker has 2 made fgs on the season. His long is 46 yards. Why would you need another kicker to kick 45 yards. Can he not make short ones?
 
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 The powers-that-be quit caring about the fans a long time ago in ALL the major sports.  At one time, it was cool and fun to watch college teams build up their programs with local kids.  But due to all the corruption and money floating around these days, I find it baffling and amusing that any sensible grown up actually gives a shit about ANY team.  Rah, rah, rah, go team go.  LMFAO!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by lsufasteddie:


Your long fg kicker has 2 made fgs on the season. His long is 46 yards. Why would you need another kicker to kick 45 yards. Can he not make short ones?

Cade Foster does not kick short field goals.  He only kicks the long ones.  If my memory serves me correctly, I think he's 2 for 9 on the season.  He doesn't kick the short ones because Jeremy Shelley is much more accurate.  Shelley is hitting close to 80% of his kicks.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

Alabama has 2 FG kickers - one is a short-range kicker (Jeremy Shelley), and one a long-range kicker Cade Foster).  There would be no reason to have a long-range FG kicker if you're not going to attempt long field goals, so I don't entirely agree with your opinion that Saban made "crucial coaching errors."  It's always easy to say a coach made an error when whatever decision he made didn't play out in his favor.  How would your opinion change if Cade Foster had made the 3 FGs he missed?

Where I agree with you is when after Cade Foster missed his first 2 FGs, Saban sent Jeremy Shelley (the short-range kicker) out to attempt a 49-yard FG.  To me sending out a kicker to attempt a FG that is well outside of his range early in the second quarter of a 0-0 game was more than a "crucial coaching error," it was outright stupidity.

You may recall that FG attempt was blocked because Shelley kicked the ball so low that he almost hit his lineman in the back.  Needless to say, it was an easy block for LSU.

As far as what I think would have happened had Saban elected to punt rather than attempt FGs, that is a purely hypothetical question so I really have no opinion one way or the other, and I have never have offered one.  Therefore, if I had to answer the question, I would be compelled to answer "nothing."

 


punting / kick-offs piss poor.....among nation's worst

kick-offs?.....last in SEC...#101 nation....(touchback wise)
punting?...#10 SEC...#87 nation
FGs?....#91 nation...#9 SEC

*kick coverage very good tho

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The BCS is a f***ing sham.

Did Okla St get screwed? Yes. 

But after thinking about it, if Bama was odd man out, I actually think they would've gotten screwed, too.  Let's face it - it's really impossible to distinguish the 2 teams based on "body of work."

(For the record, yes, I think Bama is a better team than Okla St. But I'd think that if Bama had 2 or 3 losses, too.)

Most of the voters are clueless, or have conflicted interests.  And not all coaches get to vote. Gundy doesn't have a vote while Saban does. WTF? 

And in the "Harris" Poll, you have some moronic 80 y.o. voting in the Harris Poll that admits he doesn't even follow the sport that carefully.

If I were T-Boone Pickens (big Okla St supporter), why not bribe every Harris poll voter a million dollars to switch their vote to Okla State #2 and Alabama #4?   They're not government officials. They're just random people. 

Again, the BCS just stinks.

 

 

 
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Posted: #114
Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:




so let's recap!
  • i posted an incredible amount of data and argument to support my point
  • you reiterated what every know-nothing SEC-lover on the planet keeps saying, as your "rebuttal"
  • you needed to make a new ID to do it, because you are too much of a Nick Saban to post it on your real ID
  • i will stick my fucking neck out and put my football knowledge against ANYBODY (no exceptions!)... ANY TIME!... without having to hide like a Nick Saban behind some alias

but i'm the one who knows little about football...




but hey!  maybe you'd care to elaborate, or demonstrate to us YOUR expansive knowledge of football... beyond the fact that "Oklahoma St lost to Iowa St"... and maybe this time without hiding behind an alias...

what say you?
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, especially this close to Christmas... but you have pretty much pissed away any respect that anyone had for you, by your recent schoolgirl rants. Not sure what sent you over the deep end... maybe because you are a cowboy fan, or maybe because you lost your ass this season, or maybe like alot of others here, the SEC fatigue has got a hold of you.... either way.. your rants have been pretty pathetic...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:


punting / kick-offs piss poor.....among nation's worst

kick-offs?.....last in SEC...#101 nation....(touchback wise)
punting?...#10 SEC...#87 nation
FGs?....#91 nation...#9 SEC

*kick coverage very good tho

Cade Foster, the long FG kicker, is also the kickoff man and his kickoffs are as erratic as his FG kicking.  I can't reacll exactly which game it was (might have been Tennessee), but when Foster kicked the ball in the end zone for a touchback, the student section erupted with a standing ovation.  That should give you some idea of had bad he's been.

The funny thing is coming out of high school Cade Foster was one of the top kicking prospects in the nation (if not the top).  He was rated a 3* prospect, and a 3* ranking for a kicker is almost unheard of.  His kickoffs went so far out of the end zone that I don't think he had but about 2 or 3 of his kickoffs returned all season.  Saban burned a scholly on the guy.

Since he's been at Alabama he seems to regress by the day.  I have no explanation for it.  His kickoffs are all over the map, and the coverage team is having a hard time with getting the kicks covered, especially when he drops them at the 20 yard line.  He is consistently inconsistent, and it is most definitely a concern.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by lsufasteddie:


Your long fg kicker has 2 made fgs on the season. His long is 46 yards. Why would you need another kicker to kick 45 yards. Can he not make short ones?

 

I wondered the same thing.

 
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Ok so in all reality Nick Saban whined...and we all know why he whined...

the general decision making should be heavy divisional conference winners this year leaning toward the sec (alabama, lsu, arkansas and an Ok georgia and south carolina - yet most of the softer teams divisonal success was overshadowed by lackluster depth in the sec, with your mississippi, miss st, vandy, ten and kentucky all shitty the boat) vs a heavy stacked big 12 (texas am, kansas st, baylor, oklahoma and oklahoma st) ... 

NOW

if oklahoma st doesn't get that field goal call turned against them...they make the national championship game.

I don't seem to recall if Alabama had that much control over the lsu game.

Now a gamebreaker...let's see what ok st has against oklahoma in what was virtually not that big a home advantage.

They blow them out. 

Where is the sense behind 

a. a rematch
b. destroying brandon weedens chance at a big national tv spot
--> also probably the best qb in the game

Like there's not much else to say but $$.

LSU ALABAMA brings in a lot more, and that's that.

You can't really argue otherwise. I think OK st had a much harder set of games, and you are entitled to disagree.

strength of schedule was misportrayed from day 1...with emphasis on the sec, but not realizing that auburn, 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by clifeord1:

Ok so in all reality Nick Saban whined...and we all know why he whined...

the general decision making should be heavy divisional conference winners this year leaning toward the sec (alabama, lsu, arkansas and an Ok georgia and south carolina - yet most of the softer teams divisonal success was overshadowed by lackluster depth in the sec, with your mississippi, miss st, vandy, ten and kentucky all shitty the boat) vs a heavy stacked big 12 (texas am, kansas st, baylor, oklahoma and oklahoma st) ...  - You just mentioned 5 teams that would get their asses whipped by those 5 SEC teams. The bottom half of the Big 12 would get the same...

NOW

if oklahoma st doesn't get that field goal call turned against them...they make the national championship game.

I don't seem to recall if Alabama had that much control over the lsu game. - Really? What about the interception on the 1 yard line, or the missed FG's after driving down the field. LSU never had the lead at any point during that game, until the end. 

Now a gamebreaker...let's see what ok st has against oklahoma in what was virtually not that big a home advantage.

They blow them out. 

Where is the sense behind 

a. a rematch
b. destroying brandon weedens chance at a big national tv spot
--> also probably the best qb in the game

Like there's not much else to say but $$.

LSU ALABAMA brings in a lot more, and that's that.

You can't really argue otherwise. I think OK st had a much harder set of games, and you are entitled to disagree.

strength of schedule was misportrayed from day 1...with emphasis on the sec, but not realizing that auburn, 
 
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I dont know why this is even a debate about ALABAMA OR OKL ST being no.2, IMO it is clear cut that ALABAMA is no.2 and my reason is that OKL ST lost to IOWA ST as a 28 pt favorite and ALABAMA S  only loss is to no.1 LSU in which ALABAMA could have easily won
 
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OK St lost to Iowa State - as much as I am not a big SEC fan, the BCS got it right. 

'Bama only loss was to the best team in the nation LSU. 

Iowa State is not even in the top 50 teams in the nation. 

They (ISU) had to beat an FCS team to get their 6th win to become bowl eligible.

Bama deserves it, whether you think it or not.  There is no argument to be made.

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Wow, ice4blood must be off his meds?  No sane human being could possible get that worked up over such an insignificant issue.  He must  go to a parochial shool and live in a home with a very strict "no profanity" rule.  Otherwise, this forum would not be the only place he could go and safely vent his fairly redundent vocab of dirt.  Grow up ice, get a life, worry about serious stuff and for God's sake, learn some new, more socially acceptable ways of expressing yourself.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by IcallBSonU:

Wow, ice4blood must be off his meds?  No sane human being could possible get that worked up over such an insignificant issue.  He must  go to a parochial shool and live in a home with a very strict "no profanity" rule.  Otherwise, this forum would not be the only place he could go and safely vent his fairly redundent vocab of dirt.  Grow up ice, get a life, worry about serious stuff and for God's sake, learn some new, more socially acceptable ways of expressing yourself.

I fell out of my chair laughing.... This was great! My thoughts exactly LOL! HAHAHAH! 
 
 
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It has been said for years and it is accurate - take the 'C' out of BCS and what you have left is exactly what it is.  It does not matter what system is in place, it will be flawed in some way.  I personally would like to see Ok St play LSU because we've seen LSU and Alabama already - sometimes think the way it was years ago with the conference tie-ins to bowls and no BCS was better.  Enjoy the bowl season by making $$$.
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