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    my bookie wont pay!!! up 34K

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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 7:03 PM ET #1

    hey guys I have a question, I am up 34k on a local bookie.  We used to actually be good friends until the last two weeks.  I went up 20k, they would pay me 5k every week, then it went down to 2500 one week and now they haven't paid me in the last two weeks. 

     They told me one of the guys got arrested and all his accounts got frozen but that is bs because I know a guy who plays with them and transfers his funds directly into the account of the guy who they say the accounts are frozen.

    I know many many people that would give a beat down for 3-5k, but we used to be friends  and I dont know if thats the way I want to go, I have a friend that works in the jail, so I know he hasnt been arrested in 6 years.  I was down 18k at one point to these guys and have since made it back plus the 34 plus about 10 more they have paid me.  What would you guys do in this situation?  

    Oh, on a side note, I know he is paying out other people and he lost his ass off in louisiana last week bc he went with a friend of mine.
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    hey guys I have a question, I am up 34k on a local bookie.  We used to actually be good friends until the last two weeks.  I went up 20k, they would pay me 5k every week, then it went down to 2500 one week and now they haven't paid me in the last two weeks. 

     They told me one of the guys got arrested and all his accounts got frozen but that is bs because I know a guy who plays with them and transfers his funds directly into the account of the guy who they say the accounts are frozen.

    I know many many people that would give a beat down for 3-5k, but we used to be friends  and I dont know if thats the way I want to go, I have a friend that works in the jail, so I know he hasnt been arrested in 6 years.  I was down 18k at one point to these guys and have since made it back plus the 34 plus about 10 more they have paid me.  What would you guys do in this situation?  

    Oh, on a side note, I know he is paying out other people and he lost his ass off in louisiana last week bc he went with a friend of mine.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 7:09 PM ET #2

    Knock him out
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 7:19 PM ET #3

    he must like blowing dudes
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 7:23 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocafella:

    he must like blowing dudes

    lol what??

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    he must like blowing dudes

    lol what??

     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 7:26 PM ET #5

    Not a lot you can do, you never should have let them get in this deep. Might have to chalk it up as a loss.
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    Not a lot you can do, you never should have let them get in this deep. Might have to chalk it up as a loss.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 7:34 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Not a lot you can do, you never should have let them get in this deep. Might have to chalk it up as a loss.

     

    well, there is alot I can do actually, just dont know the best route, but chalking it up as just a loss will never be the route I will take, not with this amount of money.  If the situation was reversed, they would not just chalk it up as a loss so neither will i

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Not a lot you can do, you never should have let them get in this deep. Might have to chalk it up as a loss.

     

    well, there is alot I can do actually, just dont know the best route, but chalking it up as just a loss will never be the route I will take, not with this amount of money.  If the situation was reversed, they would not just chalk it up as a loss so neither will i

     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 7:45 PM ET #7

    If you punch yourself in the balls every time that you think about getting stiffed, eventually you'll stop thinking about getting stiffed...

    There was a small time local here in my town who disappeared after the Steelers beat the Seahawks in the Superbowl a few years ago.. Rumor has it that he owed out between 3 and 4 hundred grand..

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    If you punch yourself in the balls every time that you think about getting stiffed, eventually you'll stop thinking about getting stiffed...

    There was a small time local here in my town who disappeared after the Steelers beat the Seahawks in the Superbowl a few years ago.. Rumor has it that he owed out between 3 and 4 hundred grand..

     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 7:50 PM ET #8

    well the thing is he can't fade away because I know where he lives, his wife is good friends with my gf, so we will be hanging out my gf knows about the money he owes us but I am assuming his wife does not know about the money.  There is no way to avoid hanging out with him.  I am surprised to see that people would just let it go. 
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    well the thing is he can't fade away because I know where he lives, his wife is good friends with my gf, so we will be hanging out my gf knows about the money he owes us but I am assuming his wife does not know about the money.  There is no way to avoid hanging out with him.  I am surprised to see that people would just let it go. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 8:02 PM ET #9

    beat ...something.
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 8:13 PM ET #10


    He's small time and you busted him.  Shit happens. 

    Have a little sit down.  Tell him business is business.  You're OK for now, but can't be ignored forever.  Otherwise Business will become Personal.  When Business becomes Personal, things get ugly and nobody wins.

    Now go out to dinner, the four of you.  Have a great night out.  Don't talk business.  Give the dude a few weeks and see what happens.

    That's the best advice you're going to see here.
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    He's small time and you busted him.  Shit happens. 

    Have a little sit down.  Tell him business is business.  You're OK for now, but can't be ignored forever.  Otherwise Business will become Personal.  When Business becomes Personal, things get ugly and nobody wins.

    Now go out to dinner, the four of you.  Have a great night out.  Don't talk business.  Give the dude a few weeks and see what happens.

    That's the best advice you're going to see here.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 8:35 PM ET #11

    I agree goose thats good advice, and that is what I will do, but what about when a month goes by?  I have told him that I don't expect it all up front, but he isnt communicating anything at all, i mean 1k aweek or something would be fine, but he just wont respond my texts or anything and the fact he lost his ass off playing black jack in lousina really pisses me off
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    I agree goose thats good advice, and that is what I will do, but what about when a month goes by?  I have told him that I don't expect it all up front, but he isnt communicating anything at all, i mean 1k aweek or something would be fine, but he just wont respond my texts or anything and the fact he lost his ass off playing black jack in lousina really pisses me off
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 8:59 PM ET #12


    You're probably not the only guy looking to get paid.  The fact that he isn't communicating implies he's scared, embarrassed, and a thousand other emotions.

    Desperate people do desperate things... like losing their ass off playing blackjack.

    Send him another text, non-threatening, saying you're OK and you know he needs some time.  Tell him you'll have the GF's set up a dinner, you'll pay.  Let the guy relax a little bit.  Tell him you don't want business to become personal.

    He's hit the bottom and needs time to bounce back.  If he's been booking for a while, he'll know how to rebound, he'll know how to get back up on his feet.  He just needs some time.




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    You're probably not the only guy looking to get paid.  The fact that he isn't communicating implies he's scared, embarrassed, and a thousand other emotions.

    Desperate people do desperate things... like losing their ass off playing blackjack.

    Send him another text, non-threatening, saying you're OK and you know he needs some time.  Tell him you'll have the GF's set up a dinner, you'll pay.  Let the guy relax a little bit.  Tell him you don't want business to become personal.

    He's hit the bottom and needs time to bounce back.  If he's been booking for a while, he'll know how to rebound, he'll know how to get back up on his feet.  He just needs some time.




     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 9:06 PM ET #13

    very good advice goose, thanks!
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 9:14 PM ET #14

    its a illegal and shady world (book making) I am in agreement with others, and hindsight is 20-20 but never would have let it get this deep myself ---GL
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    its a illegal and shady world (book making) I am in agreement with others, and hindsight is 20-20 but never would have let it get this deep myself ---GL
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 9:28 PM ET #15

    he's ducking you cause he doesn't have the money to pay. usually it's not the book that's playing this game. you reach out to him and say you need to have a chat. you paid when he won and now you expect to get paid. i agree that you shouldn't have let it get to this point. depending on the relationship you should try to settle when it goes no more than $5k either way. that way he don't pay, you learn a valuable lesson. but $35k is real money. you and he try to come up with a payment plan. tell him to pawn his girl's jewelry if he has to. but you want your money. remember, if the shoe was on the other foot he'd be making the same demands of you. good luck
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    he's ducking you cause he doesn't have the money to pay. usually it's not the book that's playing this game. you reach out to him and say you need to have a chat. you paid when he won and now you expect to get paid. i agree that you shouldn't have let it get to this point. depending on the relationship you should try to settle when it goes no more than $5k either way. that way he don't pay, you learn a valuable lesson. but $35k is real money. you and he try to come up with a payment plan. tell him to pawn his girl's jewelry if he has to. but you want your money. remember, if the shoe was on the other foot he'd be making the same demands of you. good luck
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 9:43 PM ET #16

    go to the cops
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 10:04 PM ET #17

    call the fbi and ax em how to deal with it, or u could make house visits to his wife 35 thousand times, thats just me......
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    call the fbi and ax em how to deal with it, or u could make house visits to his wife 35 thousand times, thats just me......
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 10:04 PM ET #18

    sorry, 34k times
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 10:37 PM ET #19

    Contact the Better Business Bureau.
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 10:48 PM ET #20

    Never Trust Local Bookies 
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 11:08 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by noiqatall:

    very good advice goose, thanks!


    Never kick a man when he is down.  Give him a chance and he will remember you forever.

    GL
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    very good advice goose, thanks!


    Never kick a man when he is down.  Give him a chance and he will remember you forever.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 11:28 PM ET #22

    thank you all for your advice, I didnt mean to let it get this deep but I did keep asking him if he wanted me to quit betting, he said no they were going to put me on a window where they pay me 5k a week because my swings were so big, one week I just happened to win alot, ill put that week
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    thank you all for your advice, I didnt mean to let it get this deep but I did keep asking him if he wanted me to quit betting, he said no they were going to put me on a window where they pay me 5k a week because my swings were so big, one week I just happened to win alot, ill put that week
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 11:36 PM ET #23

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    [703] TOR RAPTORS +9-110
    1,100/1,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -1,100
    Jan 31 11:30 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11780565
    NBA

    Jan 31 08:11 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [707] TOTAL o196-110 
    (ORL MAGIC vrs MEM GRIZZLIES)
    1,100/1,000
    WIN
    WIN

    1,000
    Jan 31 09:45 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11794761
    NBA

    Jan 31 09:56 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [2709] 2H WAS WIZARDS +6½-115
    1,150/1,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -1,150
    Jan 31 09:39 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11794556
    NBA

    Jan 31 10:41 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [713] TOTAL o191-110 
    (MIL BUCKS vrs LA CLIPPERS)
    1,100/1,000
    WIN
    WIN

    1,000
    Jan 31 11:42 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11797356
    NBA

    Jan 31 11:53 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [2713] TOTAL o94-110 
    (2H MIL BUCKS vrs 2H LA CLIPPERS)
    1,100/1,000
    WIN
    WIN

    1,000
    Jan 31 11:42 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11797357
    NBA

    Jan 31 11:53 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [2714] 2H LA CLIPPERS -1-110
    1,100/1,000
    WIN
    WIN
    1,000
    Feb 01 02:31 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11798247
    SOC

    Feb 01 02:45 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8102] TOTAL u2½-111 
    (LAZIO vrs AC MILAN)
    1,110/1,000

    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    Jan 31 10:32 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11780261
    NBA
    NBA

    NBA
    NBA

    Jan 31 07:11 PM
    Jan 31 08:11 PM

    Jan 31 09:10 PM
    Jan 31 10:41 PM
    PARLAY (4 TEAMS)
    [703] TOR RAPTORS +9-110
    [707] TOTAL o198-110 
    (ORL MAGIC vrs MEM GRIZZLIES)
    [711] CHA BOBCATS +3-110
    [713] MIL BUCKS +4-110
    500/5,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    PEND

    PEND
    PEND
    -500
    Jan 31 10:32 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11780262
    NBA

    Jan 31 07:11 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [703] TOR RAPTORS +9-110
    1,100/1,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -1,100
    Jan 31 11:30 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11780565
    NBA

    Jan 31 08:11 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [707] TOTAL o196-110 
    (ORL MAGIC vrs MEM GRIZZLIES)
    1,100/1,000
    WIN
    WIN

    1,000
    Jan 31 09:45 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11794761
    NBA

    Jan 31 09:56 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [2709] 2H WAS WIZARDS +6½-115
    1,150/1,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -1,150
    Jan 31 09:39 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11794556
    NBA

    Jan 31 10:41 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [713] TOTAL o191-110 
    (MIL BUCKS vrs LA CLIPPERS)
    1,100/1,000
    WIN
    WIN

    1,000
    Jan 31 11:42 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11797356
    NBA

    Jan 31 11:53 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [2713] TOTAL o94-110 
    (2H MIL BUCKS vrs 2H LA CLIPPERS)
    1,100/1,000
    WIN
    WIN

    1,000
    Jan 31 11:42 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11797357
    NBA

    Jan 31 11:53 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [2714] 2H LA CLIPPERS -1-110
    1,100/1,000
    WIN
    WIN
    1,000
    Feb 01 02:31 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11798247
    SOC

    Feb 01 02:45 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8102] TOTAL u2½-111 
    (LAZIO vrs AC MILAN)
    1,110/1,000

     
    noiqatall
    noiqatall
    Prospect
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Oct, 2009
    Posts: 58
    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 11:38 PM ET #24

    Feb 03 12:15 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11853954
    SOC

    Feb 03 02:45 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8137] TOTAL o2½-115 
    (INTER MILAN vrs BARI)
    1,150/1,000
    WIN
    WIN

    1,000
    Feb 03 04:46 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11857523
    NBA

    Feb 03 08:03 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [501] MIA HEAT -105
    1,050/1,000
    WIN
    WIN
    1,000
    Feb 03 04:46 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11857524
    NBA

    Feb 03 10:47 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [505] SA SPURS +145
    1,000/1,450
    WIN
    WIN
    1,450
    Feb 04 08:22 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11893653
    NBA

    Feb 04 08:26 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [2805] 2H MIA HEAT -1½-105
    1,050/1,000
    WIN
    WIN
    1,000
    Feb 05 07:26 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11902079
    SOC

    Feb 05 10:00 AM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8006] ASTON VILLA +101
    1,000/1,010
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -1,000
    Feb 05 07:27 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11902087
    SOC

    Feb 05 10:00 AM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8006] ASTON VILLA -½+101
    1,000/1,010
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -1,000
    Feb 05 11:59 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11908959
    SOC

    Feb 05 12:30 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8029] MAN UNITED -213
    2,130/1,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -2,130
    Feb 05 11:59 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11908960
    SOC

    Feb 05 12:30 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8029] TOTAL o2½-110 
    (MAN UNITED vrs WOLVERHAMPTON)
    1,100/1,000
    WIN
    WIN

    1,000
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    Feb 03 12:15 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11853954
    SOC

    Feb 03 02:45 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8137] TOTAL o2½-115 
    (INTER MILAN vrs BARI)
    1,150/1,000
    WIN
    WIN

    1,000
    Feb 03 04:46 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11857523
    NBA

    Feb 03 08:03 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [501] MIA HEAT -105
    1,050/1,000
    WIN
    WIN
    1,000
    Feb 03 04:46 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11857524
    NBA

    Feb 03 10:47 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [505] SA SPURS +145
    1,000/1,450
    WIN
    WIN
    1,450
    Feb 04 08:22 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11893653
    NBA

    Feb 04 08:26 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [2805] 2H MIA HEAT -1½-105
    1,050/1,000
    WIN
    WIN
    1,000
    Feb 05 07:26 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11902079
    SOC

    Feb 05 10:00 AM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8006] ASTON VILLA +101
    1,000/1,010
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -1,000
    Feb 05 07:27 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11902087
    SOC

    Feb 05 10:00 AM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8006] ASTON VILLA -½+101
    1,000/1,010
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -1,000
    Feb 05 11:59 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11908959
    SOC

    Feb 05 12:30 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8029] MAN UNITED -213
    2,130/1,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -2,130
    Feb 05 11:59 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11908960
    SOC

    Feb 05 12:30 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8029] TOTAL o2½-110 
    (MAN UNITED vrs WOLVERHAMPTON)
    1,100/1,000
    WIN
    WIN

    1,000
     
     
    noiqatall
    noiqatall
    Prospect
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Oct, 2009
    Posts: 58
    Posted: Feb. 23, 2011 - 11:39 PM ET #25

    by: INTERNET 11908961
    SOC

    Feb 05 12:30 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8029] MAN UNITED -1-120
    1,200/1,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -1,200
    Feb 05 12:01 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11909264
    NHL

    Feb 05 01:08 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [51] SJO SHARKS +110
    2,000/2,200
    WIN
    WIN
    2,200
    Feb 05 12:01 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11909265
    NHL

    Feb 05 01:08 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [52] TOTAL u5½-130 
    (SJO SHARKS vrs BOS BRUINS)
    2,600/2,000
    WIN
    WIN

    2,000
    Feb 05 04:29 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11923044
    NHL

    Feb 05 07:10 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [58] PHI FLYERS -1½+165
    2,000/3,300
    WIN
    WIN
    3,300
    Feb 05 04:29 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11923045
    NHL

    Feb 05 07:10 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [62] NY ISLANDERS -1½+250
    2,000/5,000
    WIN
    WIN
    5,000
    Feb 06 09:47 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11949720
    NFL

    Feb 06 06:34 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [101] PIT STEELERS +3-120
    2,400/2,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -2,400
    Feb 06 09:47 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11949721
    NFL

    Feb 06 06:34 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [101] TOTAL o44½-110 
    (PIT STEELERS vrs GB PACKERS)
    2,200/2,000
    WIN
    WIN

    2,000
    Reply
    Quote Post
    0
    Report User
    by: INTERNET 11908961
    SOC

    Feb 05 12:30 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [8029] MAN UNITED -1-120
    1,200/1,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -1,200
    Feb 05 12:01 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11909264
    NHL

    Feb 05 01:08 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [51] SJO SHARKS +110
    2,000/2,200
    WIN
    WIN
    2,200
    Feb 05 12:01 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11909265
    NHL

    Feb 05 01:08 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [52] TOTAL u5½-130 
    (SJO SHARKS vrs BOS BRUINS)
    2,600/2,000
    WIN
    WIN

    2,000
    Feb 05 04:29 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11923044
    NHL

    Feb 05 07:10 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [58] PHI FLYERS -1½+165
    2,000/3,300
    WIN
    WIN
    3,300
    Feb 05 04:29 PM 
    by: INTERNET
    11923045
    NHL

    Feb 05 07:10 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [62] NY ISLANDERS -1½+250
    2,000/5,000
    WIN
    WIN
    5,000
    Feb 06 09:47 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11949720
    NFL

    Feb 06 06:34 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [101] PIT STEELERS +3-120
    2,400/2,000
    LOSE
    LOSE
    -2,400
    Feb 06 09:47 AM 
    by: INTERNET
    11949721
    NFL

    Feb 06 06:34 PM
    STRAIGHT BET
    [101] TOTAL o44½-110 
    (PIT STEELERS vrs GB PACKERS)
    2,200/2,000
    WIN
    WIN

    2,000
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