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    UsaSurfer
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 9:34 PM ET #751

    I am sensing a lot of frustration on this page.  I created a spreadsheet where you can simply copy and paste the statfox page and the excel file does everything else fpr you (you also have to input the SOS from USAToday manually but the excel file does those calcs as well).  I do not have the most recent adjustments added in yet, but if you would like the spreadsheet just let me know via private message.
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    I am sensing a lot of frustration on this page.  I created a spreadsheet where you can simply copy and paste the statfox page and the excel file does everything else fpr you (you also have to input the SOS from USAToday manually but the excel file does those calcs as well).  I do not have the most recent adjustments added in yet, but if you would like the spreadsheet just let me know via private message.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 9:58 PM ET #752

    that would be awesome, i have been watching this thread most of the day...waiting on more tips. Anyway, said had to add you as a friend to PM you, thanks a ton, I really appreciate it.
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    that would be awesome, i have been watching this thread most of the day...waiting on more tips. Anyway, said had to add you as a friend to PM you, thanks a ton, I really appreciate it.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 10:19 PM ET #753

    add me in USAsurfer. i will pm you

    Thx

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    add me in USAsurfer. i will pm you

    Thx

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 10:50 PM ET #754

    Jets          95 (R)    175 (P)      270 (YDS)       16.5 (YPPT)   16.4 PTS

    Dolphins   161 (R)  159 (P)    320 (YDS)       18.8 (YPPT)  17.0 PTS

    Isnt This the basic version. Rushing+Passing/YPPT=Score

    Cant we just get those stats and do the calculation that way?or is it that we have to add certain numbers ex HFA,SOS?


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    Jets          95 (R)    175 (P)      270 (YDS)       16.5 (YPPT)   16.4 PTS

    Dolphins   161 (R)  159 (P)    320 (YDS)       18.8 (YPPT)  17.0 PTS

    Isnt This the basic version. Rushing+Passing/YPPT=Score

    Cant we just get those stats and do the calculation that way?or is it that we have to add certain numbers ex HFA,SOS?


     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 11:01 PM ET #755

    Wow I didn't realize how many requests I would get that fast.  I think I just made 15 new friends, I will send out that excel file to all of you guys that PM me, and after that hopefully you can distribute it from there.

    It is on my other computer, so I will get it out tomorrow in the a.m.

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    Wow I didn't realize how many requests I would get that fast.  I think I just made 15 new friends, I will send out that excel file to all of you guys that PM me, and after that hopefully you can distribute it from there.

    It is on my other computer, so I will get it out tomorrow in the a.m.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 11:38 PM ET #756

    There are YPPT numbers on Statfox already, when you click on Expanded Matchup of each game, wich ones you use? "All Games" (Offense/Defence)?

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    There are YPPT numbers on Statfox already, when you click on Expanded Matchup of each game, wich ones you use? "All Games" (Offense/Defence)?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 11:40 PM ET #757

    Jets (Off.)       130.5R (+31.1)   166.7P (-67.9)  16.1YPPT (+0.7)

    Opp. Allow       99.4                 234.6               15.4


    Where do you guys get Opp.allow? is it the same as the defensive stats?

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    Jets (Off.)       130.5R (+31.1)   166.7P (-67.9)  16.1YPPT (+0.7)

    Opp. Allow       99.4                 234.6               15.4


    Where do you guys get Opp.allow? is it the same as the defensive stats?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 11:48 PM ET #758

    Hi Butta,

    I believe this is right, if you go to statfox, then NFL, then Game Matchup, then Expanded Matchup, scroll near the bottom, there are stats there.  The Opp. Allow numbers are the same as the Opp Defensive Avg.  So basically yes.
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    Hi Butta,

    I believe this is right, if you go to statfox, then NFL, then Game Matchup, then Expanded Matchup, scroll near the bottom, there are stats there.  The Opp. Allow numbers are the same as the Opp Defensive Avg.  So basically yes.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 12:22 AM ET #759

    Quote Originally Posted by recon168:

    Hi Butta,

    I believe this is right, if you go to statfox, then NFL, then Game Matchup, then Expanded Matchup, scroll near the bottom, there are stats there.  The Opp. Allow numbers are the same as the Opp Defensive Avg.  So basically yes.


    Thanks for the fast reply man...Appreciate it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by recon168:

    Hi Butta,

    I believe this is right, if you go to statfox, then NFL, then Game Matchup, then Expanded Matchup, scroll near the bottom, there are stats there.  The Opp. Allow numbers are the same as the Opp Defensive Avg.  So basically yes.


    Thanks for the fast reply man...Appreciate it..
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 12:44 AM ET #760

    Okay okay, I think I got it, BUT I need verification.  For the Jets/Dolphins game I have...

    Miami 18 and Jets 10

    So now would you have to round up for Miami 21 and Jets stay at 10?
    Provided that the above numbers are correct.

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    Okay okay, I think I got it, BUT I need verification.  For the Jets/Dolphins game I have...

    Miami 18 and Jets 10

    So now would you have to round up for Miami 21 and Jets stay at 10?
    Provided that the above numbers are correct.

    Regards,
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 1:24 AM ET #761

    UsaSurfer..... would also like to get the spreadsheet! Thanks!
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    UsaSurfer..... would also like to get the spreadsheet! Thanks!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 1:24 AM ET #762

    UsaSurfer..... would also like to get the spreadsheet! Thanks!
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    UsaSurfer..... would also like to get the spreadsheet! Thanks!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 1:39 AM ET #763

     Thanks to all for all the work &info., UsaSurfer .........is it possible to send the spread sheet please?

    Thanks

     

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     Thanks to all for all the work &info., UsaSurfer .........is it possible to send the spread sheet please?

    Thanks

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 2:53 AM ET #764

    Quote Originally Posted by VGPOP:

    NFL Week 8 Predictions

    Denver 23 - Baltimore 15

    Cleveland 13 - Chicago 23

    Houston 22 - Buffalo 16

    Minnesota 23 - Green Bay 25

    San Francisco 14 - Indianapolis 24

    Miami 19 - NY Jets 20

    St Louis 10 - Detroit 25

    Seattle 23 - Dallas 20

    Oakland 10 - San Diego 34

    Jacksonville 23 - Tennessee 22

    Carolina 9 - Arizona 38

    NY Giants 39 - Philadelphia 22
    (Sunday Night)

    Atlanta 27 - New Orleans 31
    (Monday Night)


    Plays: (Difference +/-7 from vegas line at the time of this writing)

    • Denver +3.5
    • Seattle +9.5
    • San Diego -16.5
    • Arizona -10
    • NY Giants +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by VGPOP:

    NFL Week 8 Predictions

    Denver 23 - Baltimore 15

    Cleveland 13 - Chicago 23

    Houston 22 - Buffalo 16

    Minnesota 23 - Green Bay 25

    San Francisco 14 - Indianapolis 24

    Miami 19 - NY Jets 20

    St Louis 10 - Detroit 25

    Seattle 23 - Dallas 20

    Oakland 10 - San Diego 34

    Jacksonville 23 - Tennessee 22

    Carolina 9 - Arizona 38

    NY Giants 39 - Philadelphia 22
    (Sunday Night)

    Atlanta 27 - New Orleans 31
    (Monday Night)


    Plays: (Difference +/-7 from vegas line at the time of this writing)

    • Denver +3.5
    • Seattle +9.5
    • San Diego -16.5
    • Arizona -10
    • NY Giants +1

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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 3:53 AM ET #765

    So then why won't you include Detroit in one of the best plays of the week?

    Am i missing something here.........

    You have Detroit by 15 pts........they may be like a 3 pt favorite

    So Detroit too ?

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    So then why won't you include Detroit in one of the best plays of the week?

    Am i missing something here.........

    You have Detroit by 15 pts........they may be like a 3 pt favorite

    So Detroit too ?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 4:04 AM ET #766

    UsaSurfer...ima add u, anyway i can get that spreadsheet too...thx a bunch!
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    UsaSurfer...ima add u, anyway i can get that spreadsheet too...thx a bunch!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 7:15 AM ET #767

    Quote Originally Posted by roughshod31:

    I truly would like to help those of you who would like help with the spreadsheet. The problem is I don't use Excel, I instead use Open Office.org which I assume is similar. Ihave

    I'll buy you office bro! 
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    Quote Originally Posted by roughshod31:

    I truly would like to help those of you who would like help with the spreadsheet. The problem is I don't use Excel, I instead use Open Office.org which I assume is similar. Ihave

    I'll buy you office bro! 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 7:42 AM ET #768

    Quote Originally Posted by roughshod31:

    This morning I made some minor adjustments to the original YPPT formula from 10/11.

    Whats New

    Adjustment for HFA of 3.5 Pts.  -1.75 Away/+1.75 Home

    Take into account average number of plays both OFF/DEF.

    Take into account average yards per play both OFF/DEF.

    These changes alter the projected outcomes very little from original YPPT formula.

    Tonights Projected Outcome Using these Changes.

    Denver            389 Total Yds.  16.76 YPPT       (23.21 PTS)

    San Diego        288 Total Yds.  26.79 YPPT       (10.75 PTS)

    Adjusted Projected Score

    Denver       23.21 - 1.75 HFA = 21.46                      21

    San Diego  10.75 + 1.75 HFA = 12.50                      13

    GL

    Hello roughshod31

    I am trying to understand your new adjustments so I can set them up in my spreadsheet.  I understand the way the sos is now set up by dividing team rating by team sched.  I also understand the new HFA -1.75/+1.75 and adding a point per difference of 7.

    I don't understand how you implement the plays and yards per play though and was hoping you could spread some light on this for me?

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by roughshod31:

    This morning I made some minor adjustments to the original YPPT formula from 10/11.

    Whats New

    Adjustment for HFA of 3.5 Pts.  -1.75 Away/+1.75 Home

    Take into account average number of plays both OFF/DEF.

    Take into account average yards per play both OFF/DEF.

    These changes alter the projected outcomes very little from original YPPT formula.

    Tonights Projected Outcome Using these Changes.

    Denver            389 Total Yds.  16.76 YPPT       (23.21 PTS)

    San Diego        288 Total Yds.  26.79 YPPT       (10.75 PTS)

    Adjusted Projected Score

    Denver       23.21 - 1.75 HFA = 21.46                      21

    San Diego  10.75 + 1.75 HFA = 12.50                      13

    GL

    Hello roughshod31

    I am trying to understand your new adjustments so I can set them up in my spreadsheet.  I understand the way the sos is now set up by dividing team rating by team sched.  I also understand the new HFA -1.75/+1.75 and adding a point per difference of 7.

    I don't understand how you implement the plays and yards per play though and was hoping you could spread some light on this for me?

    Thank you

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 9:15 AM ET #769

    Okay, I looked at the Jets number and I forgot to use the SOS number and HFA, my final numbers are Mia = 17.71 and Jets = 19.78

    So real numbers, I guess I would look for Mia = 17, Jets = 21

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    Okay, I looked at the Jets number and I forgot to use the SOS number and HFA, my final numbers are Mia = 17.71 and Jets = 19.78

    So real numbers, I guess I would look for Mia = 17, Jets = 21

    Recon

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 9:52 AM ET #770

    Quote Originally Posted by Airmail26:

    Hey VG -

     

    Where are the NBA Picks going to be?  I can't find the thread for it.  Great job on Football!!

    Yea?  I can't find any stats on how many yards Cleveland Cavs or the San Antone Spurs have.  How come it only works for the NFL?  I think the Cavs are the best rushing team in the NBA!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airmail26:

    Hey VG -

     

    Where are the NBA Picks going to be?  I can't find the thread for it.  Great job on Football!!

    Yea?  I can't find any stats on how many yards Cleveland Cavs or the San Antone Spurs have.  How come it only works for the NFL?  I think the Cavs are the best rushing team in the NBA!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB13372:

    theres a post from 2 nights ago where "rough" did the Bo/clv game and it hit both side and total but they werent big discrepancies from the vegas line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB13372:

    theres a post from 2 nights ago where "rough" did the Bo/clv game and it hit both side and total but they werent big discrepancies from the vegas line.

     
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    JB - I think rough said he was working on something similar for points per attempt or something similar for hoops.  I like where you are going though...Lebron will lead the NBA in rushing this year.

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    JB - I think rough said he was working on something similar for points per attempt or something similar for hoops.  I like where you are going though...Lebron will lead the NBA in rushing this year.

     
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    All right guys I just went through about a million PMs and sent my spreadsheet to every individual who included an e-mail address.  I think that is about all the time I can spend today, but I will try to get to more tomorrow.  Maybe some others can share their files in the meantime.

    Good luck.

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    All right guys I just went through about a million PMs and sent my spreadsheet to every individual who included an e-mail address.  I think that is about all the time I can spend today, but I will try to get to more tomorrow.  Maybe some others can share their files in the meantime.

    Good luck.

     
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    lou4062

    I use the Total Plays & Yards Per Play as a means on double checking the accuracy of YPPT calculation. I will show you using Texas @ Oklahoma St. as an example.

              Offense Plays   (Differential)   Offense YPP (Differential) 

    UT              78.6                  ( + 6.7 )           5.6               ( + 0.5 )

    OK St.        68.0                   ( - 3.5 )            6.1               (+ 0.1 )

               Defense Plays   (Differential)  Defense YPP (Differential)

    UT               65.9              ( - 5.6 )           3.6                 ( - 1.7 )

    OK St.          71.7              ( + 0.3 )          4.9                 ( - 0.4 ) 


    Texas SOS (Mult.)     1.030

    OK St.  SOS(Mult.)     0.970


    Texas     78.6 + 0.3 =  78.9   

                   71.7 + 6.7 =  78.4  (78.9 + 78.4 = 157.3/2 = 78.7)

                   78.7 x 1.030 = 81.1 Expected Plays

    Texas     5.6 + -0.4 = 5.2

                   4.9 + +0.5 = 5.4   (5.2 + 5.4 = 10.6/2 = 5.3)

                    5.3 x 1.030 = 5.5  Expected YPP

    Texas     81.1 Plays  x  5.5 YPP =  446.1 Total YDS.

                                                          430.1 Total Yds. YPPT Calc.

    Do the same for Oklahoma St. and you have a good way to double check your YPPT calculation.

    Hope this helps

    GL

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    I use the Total Plays & Yards Per Play as a means on double checking the accuracy of YPPT calculation. I will show you using Texas @ Oklahoma St. as an example.

              Offense Plays   (Differential)   Offense YPP (Differential) 

    UT              78.6                  ( + 6.7 )           5.6               ( + 0.5 )

    OK St.        68.0                   ( - 3.5 )            6.1               (+ 0.1 )

               Defense Plays   (Differential)  Defense YPP (Differential)

    UT               65.9              ( - 5.6 )           3.6                 ( - 1.7 )

    OK St.          71.7              ( + 0.3 )          4.9                 ( - 0.4 ) 


    Texas SOS (Mult.)     1.030

    OK St.  SOS(Mult.)     0.970


    Texas     78.6 + 0.3 =  78.9   

                   71.7 + 6.7 =  78.4  (78.9 + 78.4 = 157.3/2 = 78.7)

                   78.7 x 1.030 = 81.1 Expected Plays

    Texas     5.6 + -0.4 = 5.2

                   4.9 + +0.5 = 5.4   (5.2 + 5.4 = 10.6/2 = 5.3)

                    5.3 x 1.030 = 5.5  Expected YPP

    Texas     81.1 Plays  x  5.5 YPP =  446.1 Total YDS.

                                                          430.1 Total Yds. YPPT Calc.

    Do the same for Oklahoma St. and you have a good way to double check your YPPT calculation.

    Hope this helps

    GL

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    spreadsheet would be appreciated when you have time. TY

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