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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2009 - 3:04 PM ET #1251

    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay81:

    Hey Action, How Do You Know Or How Can You Predict Whether Or Not A Play Is A No Play From The System?  And How Can I Improve My System To Comb That Out?  For Example, With Spreads Being -13 or Some High Number Like That, Or Should My Numbers Sum Up That To Know To Pick The Underdog.  Oh Yeah, Maybe I Could Help You With Your Projected Numbers Cuz Mines Damn Near Come Out To What The Actual Score Becomes.  Hit Me Back And Let's Improve These Systems.


    It's all about how far you're willing to take your data. I keep an archive of past weeks predicted scores and compare them to the actual outcomes of the games, and then filter those results to find out which situations the YPPT formula projects accurately, and which the statistics are severely skewed.

    Just an example using yesterdays Saints-Redskins game. The formula predicted a 42-15 Saints win. The books set the line @ -9.5n and it actually dropped to -9. The Saints are a very popular betting team, the Redskins are a very popular bet against team. In a game like this, the books won't be wrong on setting the line, and if that line is dropping, then there are "wise guys" on the Redskins. So when you combine just those factors, they are enough to determine the data is statistically skewed and don't completely represent the true outcome of the game. (Remember, these stats are for the year, and the Saints were very dominant early on, whereas the Redskins were getting dominated early on)

    The best way to improve the system is actually getting the "Last 3 Weeks" statistics for each team. I've yet to include this in the formula, as I've been working mostly on building other spreadsheets to easily find the type of trends the formula outputs right and wrong.

    For instance, tonight's game, Green Bay -3.5. Our formula projects Green Bay 27-21, a 2.5 point difference in favor of GB against the spread. Dating only back to Week 8 this year, when a favorite has a 0 - 2.5 point advantage using the formula against the spread, it has been 8-2, 80%. This would give us a play on Green Bay tonight.

    Likewise with the heavy favorites I was talking about earlier. Again, dating back to Week 8, when the formula projects a favorite to have an advantage of 10+ points against the actual spread, it's a staggering 2-13, 13%. This is why I said for this week to not play either "System Favorite", and in fact, it's clearly very profitable to fade those plays.

    So like I said, I'm working every day to continue to add more and more statistics to what I already have, in order to be able to filter the good from the bad, and see where exactly the money is being made using the YPPT & HFA formula.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay81:

    Hey Action, How Do You Know Or How Can You Predict Whether Or Not A Play Is A No Play From The System?  And How Can I Improve My System To Comb That Out?  For Example, With Spreads Being -13 or Some High Number Like That, Or Should My Numbers Sum Up That To Know To Pick The Underdog.  Oh Yeah, Maybe I Could Help You With Your Projected Numbers Cuz Mines Damn Near Come Out To What The Actual Score Becomes.  Hit Me Back And Let's Improve These Systems.


    It's all about how far you're willing to take your data. I keep an archive of past weeks predicted scores and compare them to the actual outcomes of the games, and then filter those results to find out which situations the YPPT formula projects accurately, and which the statistics are severely skewed.

    Just an example using yesterdays Saints-Redskins game. The formula predicted a 42-15 Saints win. The books set the line @ -9.5n and it actually dropped to -9. The Saints are a very popular betting team, the Redskins are a very popular bet against team. In a game like this, the books won't be wrong on setting the line, and if that line is dropping, then there are "wise guys" on the Redskins. So when you combine just those factors, they are enough to determine the data is statistically skewed and don't completely represent the true outcome of the game. (Remember, these stats are for the year, and the Saints were very dominant early on, whereas the Redskins were getting dominated early on)

    The best way to improve the system is actually getting the "Last 3 Weeks" statistics for each team. I've yet to include this in the formula, as I've been working mostly on building other spreadsheets to easily find the type of trends the formula outputs right and wrong.

    For instance, tonight's game, Green Bay -3.5. Our formula projects Green Bay 27-21, a 2.5 point difference in favor of GB against the spread. Dating only back to Week 8 this year, when a favorite has a 0 - 2.5 point advantage using the formula against the spread, it has been 8-2, 80%. This would give us a play on Green Bay tonight.

    Likewise with the heavy favorites I was talking about earlier. Again, dating back to Week 8, when the formula projects a favorite to have an advantage of 10+ points against the actual spread, it's a staggering 2-13, 13%. This is why I said for this week to not play either "System Favorite", and in fact, it's clearly very profitable to fade those plays.

    So like I said, I'm working every day to continue to add more and more statistics to what I already have, in order to be able to filter the good from the bad, and see where exactly the money is being made using the YPPT & HFA formula.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2009 - 7:11 PM ET #1252

    Hey Action, that is great info, but i just wanna check on tonites games...i got Balt at 27-21...i am using the original formula that was posted on mega upload and it matched your sheet before your tweaks.  i just want to see if or what stuff you tweaked.

    Jayjay i also would like to know what you did or tweaked in your sheets...i think we can put our heads together it will work out great...i also want to know if any of you guys think we can put something together like this for basketball...i am willing to work on that...thanks in advanced...
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    Hey Action, that is great info, but i just wanna check on tonites games...i got Balt at 27-21...i am using the original formula that was posted on mega upload and it matched your sheet before your tweaks.  i just want to see if or what stuff you tweaked.

    Jayjay i also would like to know what you did or tweaked in your sheets...i think we can put our heads together it will work out great...i also want to know if any of you guys think we can put something together like this for basketball...i am willing to work on that...thanks in advanced...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2009 - 7:01 PM ET #1253

    I've continued this system here...... https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=100612555

    RINO808, I have scrapped the StatFox extended matchup statistics everyone was using and now use statistics from Pro Football Reference as well as ESPN in my spreadsheets. I can't tell you exactly how I "tweaked" the formula, since I rebuilt it from the ground up, but it is based still using YPPT & HFA, just using a different set of statistics, and taking the average of two sets of scores. One score having no weight on statistics, the other score weighing statistics based on strength of schedule.
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    I've continued this system here...... https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=100612555

    RINO808, I have scrapped the StatFox extended matchup statistics everyone was using and now use statistics from Pro Football Reference as well as ESPN in my spreadsheets. I can't tell you exactly how I "tweaked" the formula, since I rebuilt it from the ground up, but it is based still using YPPT & HFA, just using a different set of statistics, and taking the average of two sets of scores. One score having no weight on statistics, the other score weighing statistics based on strength of schedule.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2009 - 10:30 PM ET #1254

    Awesome Action, do you think we can make something like this for hoops?  i am very interested in trying to make something like this for hoops, i just need to be pointed in the right direction and maybe some help would be greatly appreciated...also it could be added to...say a web site...ahhhumm...lol
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    Awesome Action, do you think we can make something like this for hoops?  i am very interested in trying to make something like this for hoops, i just need to be pointed in the right direction and maybe some help would be greatly appreciated...also it could be added to...say a web site...ahhhumm...lol
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2009 - 10:30 PM ET #1255

    Yeah RINO808, I Use Statfox Extended Matchup Stats As Well To Get The Closest Outcome Of The Scores.  I'm Also Looking For A System In NBA One Too.  Well, I Have Thurs. NFL Game Projected:  Steelers 26  Browns 16
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    Yeah RINO808, I Use Statfox Extended Matchup Stats As Well To Get The Closest Outcome Of The Scores.  I'm Also Looking For A System In NBA One Too.  Well, I Have Thurs. NFL Game Projected:  Steelers 26  Browns 16
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionReverse:



    It's all about how far you're willing to take your data. I keep an archive of past weeks predicted scores and compare them to the actual outcomes of the games, and then filter those results to find out which situations the YPPT formula projects accurately, and which the statistics are severely skewed.

    Just an example using yesterdays Saints-Redskins game. The formula predicted a 42-15 Saints win. The books set the line @ -9.5n and it actually dropped to -9. The Saints are a very popular betting team, the Redskins are a very popular bet against team. In a game like this, the books won't be wrong on setting the line, and if that line is dropping, then there are "wise guys" on the Redskins. So when you combine just those factors, they are enough to determine the data is statistically skewed and don't completely represent the true outcome of the game. (Remember, these stats are for the year, and the Saints were very dominant early on, whereas the Redskins were getting dominated early on)

    The best way to improve the system is actually getting the "Last 3 Weeks" statistics for each team. I've yet to include this in the formula, as I've been working mostly on building other spreadsheets to easily find the type of trends the formula outputs right and wrong.

    For instance, tonight's game, Green Bay -3.5. Our formula projects Green Bay 27-21, a 2.5 point difference in favor of GB against the spread. Dating only back to Week 8 this year, when a favorite has a 0 - 2.5 point advantage using the formula against the spread, it has been 8-2, 80%. This would give us a play on Green Bay tonight.

    Likewise with the heavy favorites I was talking about earlier. Again, dating back to Week 8, when the formula projects a favorite to have an advantage of 10+ points against the actual spread, it's a staggering 2-13, 13%. This is why I said for this week to not play either "System Favorite", and in fact, it's clearly very profitable to fade those plays.

    So like I said, I'm working every day to continue to add more and more statistics to what I already have, in order to be able to filter the good from the bad, and see where exactly the money is being made using the YPPT & HFA formula.

    Man, I Wish I Would've Known That Before Hand.  I Actually Calculated The Ravens Blowing Them Out!  Now That I Look Back On It, My SOS Favored The Ravens Side.  So, I Think I'm Just Going To Lay Off The High Pointspreads Whenever I Place A Bet, Cuz Those Are Tricky To Spot Whether Or Not They Will Cover.  Just Like For This Sun. Games, A Couple Of Games Have High Pointspreads.

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    It's all about how far you're willing to take your data. I keep an archive of past weeks predicted scores and compare them to the actual outcomes of the games, and then filter those results to find out which situations the YPPT formula projects accurately, and which the statistics are severely skewed.

    Just an example using yesterdays Saints-Redskins game. The formula predicted a 42-15 Saints win. The books set the line @ -9.5n and it actually dropped to -9. The Saints are a very popular betting team, the Redskins are a very popular bet against team. In a game like this, the books won't be wrong on setting the line, and if that line is dropping, then there are "wise guys" on the Redskins. So when you combine just those factors, they are enough to determine the data is statistically skewed and don't completely represent the true outcome of the game. (Remember, these stats are for the year, and the Saints were very dominant early on, whereas the Redskins were getting dominated early on)

    The best way to improve the system is actually getting the "Last 3 Weeks" statistics for each team. I've yet to include this in the formula, as I've been working mostly on building other spreadsheets to easily find the type of trends the formula outputs right and wrong.

    For instance, tonight's game, Green Bay -3.5. Our formula projects Green Bay 27-21, a 2.5 point difference in favor of GB against the spread. Dating only back to Week 8 this year, when a favorite has a 0 - 2.5 point advantage using the formula against the spread, it has been 8-2, 80%. This would give us a play on Green Bay tonight.

    Likewise with the heavy favorites I was talking about earlier. Again, dating back to Week 8, when the formula projects a favorite to have an advantage of 10+ points against the actual spread, it's a staggering 2-13, 13%. This is why I said for this week to not play either "System Favorite", and in fact, it's clearly very profitable to fade those plays.

    So like I said, I'm working every day to continue to add more and more statistics to what I already have, in order to be able to filter the good from the bad, and see where exactly the money is being made using the YPPT & HFA formula.

    Man, I Wish I Would've Known That Before Hand.  I Actually Calculated The Ravens Blowing Them Out!  Now That I Look Back On It, My SOS Favored The Ravens Side.  So, I Think I'm Just Going To Lay Off The High Pointspreads Whenever I Place A Bet, Cuz Those Are Tricky To Spot Whether Or Not They Will Cover.  Just Like For This Sun. Games, A Couple Of Games Have High Pointspreads.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by RINO808:

    Awesome Action, do you think we can make something like this for hoops?  i am very interested in trying to make something like this for hoops, i just need to be pointed in the right direction and maybe some help would be greatly appreciated...also it could be added to...say a web site...ahhhumm...lol


    I'm not exactly sure how this would work with NBA and NCAAB, however, I will spend some time tonight looking into how the ratings and s.o.s. can be applied. It will most likely work with compiling the season statistics and multiplying them by their rating and s.o.s. factor like we've done in football. I built a basic NHL sheet that I posted on the newly linked thread, so I'm sure I can do this for basketball. I'll keep you posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RINO808:

    Awesome Action, do you think we can make something like this for hoops?  i am very interested in trying to make something like this for hoops, i just need to be pointed in the right direction and maybe some help would be greatly appreciated...also it could be added to...say a web site...ahhhumm...lol


    I'm not exactly sure how this would work with NBA and NCAAB, however, I will spend some time tonight looking into how the ratings and s.o.s. can be applied. It will most likely work with compiling the season statistics and multiplying them by their rating and s.o.s. factor like we've done in football. I built a basic NHL sheet that I posted on the newly linked thread, so I'm sure I can do this for basketball. I'll keep you posted.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2009 - 8:10 AM ET #1258

    thanks jayjay and action for the quick replies, well i am also looking on how to make a spread sheet like this for hoops, well right now i have a ppg system from sergio going on in hoops and i also have the TAR system on a spread sheet...i am looking to see what stats we need to input to calculate a predictive score like the yppt system.  if you have any ideas please share...thanks again...
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    thanks jayjay and action for the quick replies, well i am also looking on how to make a spread sheet like this for hoops, well right now i have a ppg system from sergio going on in hoops and i also have the TAR system on a spread sheet...i am looking to see what stats we need to input to calculate a predictive score like the yppt system.  if you have any ideas please share...thanks again...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by RINO808:

    thanks jayjay and action for the quick replies, well i am also looking on how to make a spread sheet like this for hoops, well right now i have a ppg system from sergio going on in hoops and i also have the TAR system on a spread sheet...i am looking to see what stats we need to input to calculate a predictive score like the yppt system.  if you have any ideas please share...thanks again...

     

    No Problem, Well, Since You Know How To Work Sergio's Hoops System, Do You Mind Breaking It Down For Tomorrow's Games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RINO808:

    thanks jayjay and action for the quick replies, well i am also looking on how to make a spread sheet like this for hoops, well right now i have a ppg system from sergio going on in hoops and i also have the TAR system on a spread sheet...i am looking to see what stats we need to input to calculate a predictive score like the yppt system.  if you have any ideas please share...thanks again...

     

    No Problem, Well, Since You Know How To Work Sergio's Hoops System, Do You Mind Breaking It Down For Tomorrow's Games?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2009 - 5:40 PM ET #1260

    For Friday NCAA hoops on Sergios system...

    Idaho St +11'
    MDTSU/TENN 141/vegas has 147.5 (6.5 difference) = play UNDER 147.5.

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    For Friday NCAA hoops on Sergios system...

    Idaho St +11'
    MDTSU/TENN 141/vegas has 147.5 (6.5 difference) = play UNDER 147.5.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 11:08 AM ET #1261

    RINO, I've started a thread using an NBA workbook I created that you requested. Not sure if you've checked it out yet, but I'm sure it will be a help to you. Sheet up for download has all the formulas for just plug and play. GL.

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=100613766
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    RINO, I've started a thread using an NBA workbook I created that you requested. Not sure if you've checked it out yet, but I'm sure it will be a help to you. Sheet up for download has all the formulas for just plug and play. GL.

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=100613766
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2009 - 2:42 PM ET #1262

    Awesome Action, i have been busy with perfecting the ppg system and the TAR system in hoops, i can send you the excel sheets over if you want...just more tools for our arsenal...thanks for your hard work,..checking the link out now...
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    Awesome Action, i have been busy with perfecting the ppg system and the TAR system in hoops, i can send you the excel sheets over if you want...just more tools for our arsenal...thanks for your hard work,..checking the link out now...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 13, 2009 - 1:58 AM ET #1263

    Here Is Week 14 Projected Scores:

    Broncos 15  Colts 25

    Bengals 16  Vikings 30

    Jets 30  Buccs 13

    Bills 25  Chiefs 15

    Packers 38  Bears 18

    Saints 41  Falcons 13

    Lions 8  Ravens 47

    Dolphins 20  Jags 21

    Panthers 7  Pats 55

    Seahawks 14  Texans 38

    Rams 9  Titans 23

    Redskins 13  Raiders 11

    Chargers 21  Cowboys 20

    Eagles 25  Giants 20

    WARNING: Due To Changes In Weather, Injuries,etc., Predictions Are Subject To Change.  Bet Responsibly!!!

    GL

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    Here Is Week 14 Projected Scores:

    Broncos 15  Colts 25

    Bengals 16  Vikings 30

    Jets 30  Buccs 13

    Bills 25  Chiefs 15

    Packers 38  Bears 18

    Saints 41  Falcons 13

    Lions 8  Ravens 47

    Dolphins 20  Jags 21

    Panthers 7  Pats 55

    Seahawks 14  Texans 38

    Rams 9  Titans 23

    Redskins 13  Raiders 11

    Chargers 21  Cowboys 20

    Eagles 25  Giants 20

    WARNING: Due To Changes In Weather, Injuries,etc., Predictions Are Subject To Change.  Bet Responsibly!!!

    GL

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2009 - 10:41 PM ET #1264

    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay81:

    Here Is Week 14 Projected Scores:

    Broncos 15  Colts 25

    Bengals 16  Vikings 30

    Jets 30  Buccs 13

    Bills 25  Chiefs 15

    Packers 38  Bears 18

    Saints 41  Falcons 13

    Lions 8  Ravens 47

    Dolphins 20  Jags 21

    Panthers 7  Pats 55

    Seahawks 14  Texans 38

    Rams 9  Titans 23

    Redskins 13  Raiders 11

    Chargers 21  Cowboys 20

    Eagles 25  Giants 20

    WARNING: Due To Changes In Weather, Injuries,etc., Predictions Are Subject To Change.  Bet Responsibly!!!

    GL

    wow just looking at this it looks like 12-2 ATS

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay81:

    Here Is Week 14 Projected Scores:

    Broncos 15  Colts 25

    Bengals 16  Vikings 30

    Jets 30  Buccs 13

    Bills 25  Chiefs 15

    Packers 38  Bears 18

    Saints 41  Falcons 13

    Lions 8  Ravens 47

    Dolphins 20  Jags 21

    Panthers 7  Pats 55

    Seahawks 14  Texans 38

    Rams 9  Titans 23

    Redskins 13  Raiders 11

    Chargers 21  Cowboys 20

    Eagles 25  Giants 20

    WARNING: Due To Changes In Weather, Injuries,etc., Predictions Are Subject To Change.  Bet Responsibly!!!

    GL

    wow just looking at this it looks like 12-2 ATS

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2009 - 10:41 PM ET #1265

    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay81:

    Here Is Week 14 Projected Scores:

    Broncos 15  Colts 25

    Bengals 16  Vikings 30

    Jets 30  Buccs 13

    Bills 25  Chiefs 15

    Packers 38  Bears 18

    Saints 41  Falcons 13

    Lions 8  Ravens 47

    Dolphins 20  Jags 21

    Panthers 7  Pats 55

    Seahawks 14  Texans 38

    Rams 9  Titans 23

    Redskins 13  Raiders 11

    Chargers 21  Cowboys 20

    Eagles 25  Giants 20

    WARNING: Due To Changes In Weather, Injuries,etc., Predictions Are Subject To Change.  Bet Responsibly!!!

    GL

    wow just looking at this it looks like 12-2 ATS

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay81:

    Here Is Week 14 Projected Scores:

    Broncos 15  Colts 25

    Bengals 16  Vikings 30

    Jets 30  Buccs 13

    Bills 25  Chiefs 15

    Packers 38  Bears 18

    Saints 41  Falcons 13

    Lions 8  Ravens 47

    Dolphins 20  Jags 21

    Panthers 7  Pats 55

    Seahawks 14  Texans 38

    Rams 9  Titans 23

    Redskins 13  Raiders 11

    Chargers 21  Cowboys 20

    Eagles 25  Giants 20

    WARNING: Due To Changes In Weather, Injuries,etc., Predictions Are Subject To Change.  Bet Responsibly!!!

    GL

    wow just looking at this it looks like 12-2 ATS

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay81:

    Here Is Week 14 Projected Scores:

    Broncos 15  Colts 25

    Bengals 16  Vikings 30

    Jets 30  Buccs 13

    Bills 25  Chiefs 15

    Packers 38  Bears 18

    Saints 41  Falcons 13

    Lions 8  Ravens 47

    Dolphins 20  Jags 21

    Panthers 7  Pats 55

    Seahawks 14  Texans 38

    Rams 9  Titans 23

    Redskins 13  Raiders 11

    Chargers 21  Cowboys 20

    Eagles 25  Giants 20

    WARNING: Due To Changes In Weather, Injuries,etc., Predictions Are Subject To Change.  Bet Responsibly!!!

    GL

       Any bowl predictions
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay81:

    Here Is Week 14 Projected Scores:

    Broncos 15  Colts 25

    Bengals 16  Vikings 30

    Jets 30  Buccs 13

    Bills 25  Chiefs 15

    Packers 38  Bears 18

    Saints 41  Falcons 13

    Lions 8  Ravens 47

    Dolphins 20  Jags 21

    Panthers 7  Pats 55

    Seahawks 14  Texans 38

    Rams 9  Titans 23

    Redskins 13  Raiders 11

    Chargers 21  Cowboys 20

    Eagles 25  Giants 20

    WARNING: Due To Changes In Weather, Injuries,etc., Predictions Are Subject To Change.  Bet Responsibly!!!

    GL

       Any bowl predictions
     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2009 - 12:02 PM ET #1267

    Quote Originally Posted by topperchris:

       Any bowl predictions

    Yes, As Soon As The First Game Kicks Off.  Keep On Checking Back.  Thank You.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topperchris:

       Any bowl predictions

    Yes, As Soon As The First Game Kicks Off.  Keep On Checking Back.  Thank You.

     
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    Thanks jayjay
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2009 - 8:49 PM ET #1269

    Jay Jay are you using the original Roughshod 31 formula or what? 

    Keep up the good work.

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    Jay Jay are you using the original Roughshod 31 formula or what? 

    Keep up the good work.

    Famous

     
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    Jay Jay are you using the original Roughshod 31 formula or what? 

    Keep up the good work.

    Famous

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    Jay Jay are you using the original Roughshod 31 formula or what? 

    Keep up the good work.

    Famous

     
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    Jay Jay are you using the original Roughshod 31 formula or what? 

    Keep up the good work.

    Famous

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    Jay Jay are you using the original Roughshod 31 formula or what? 

    Keep up the good work.

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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2009 - 8:50 PM ET #1272

    sorry for the duplicates.  It didn't look like covers was taking the message.
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    sorry for the duplicates.  It didn't look like covers was taking the message.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by famousskater:

    Jay Jay are you using the original Roughshod 31 formula or what? 

    Keep up the good work.

    Famous

     

    No Sir, According To What I Seen On Here, His Was Missing Some Details That Were Not Explained Clear Enough. 

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    Jay Jay are you using the original Roughshod 31 formula or what? 

    Keep up the good work.

    Famous

     

    No Sir, According To What I Seen On Here, His Was Missing Some Details That Were Not Explained Clear Enough. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay81:

     

    No Sir, According To What I Seen On Here, His Was Missing Some Details That Were Not Explained Clear Enough. 

      Keep up the good work..You and action are kicking books ass..Cant wait for bowl picks
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    No Sir, According To What I Seen On Here, His Was Missing Some Details That Were Not Explained Clear Enough. 

      Keep up the good work..You and action are kicking books ass..Cant wait for bowl picks
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2009 - 3:23 PM ET #1275

    Later On I'll Be Posting The 2 Sat. Bowl Games.  Then, I'll Try To Get The Rest Of Them Out To Ya'll In Good Timing, So Don't Worry.  Thank You
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