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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 8:25 PM ET #176

    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    MLB formulated system releases Tuesday 05/12/09 :
     
                                       Pirates+103
                                       Diamondbacks-185
                                       DevilRays-131
                                       Tigers+114
     
                                       Dodgers vs Phillies OVER 9.5
                                       Braves vs Mets UNDER 9
                                       Padres vs Cubs OVER 8.5
                                       Yankees vs BlueJays UNDER 9
     
     
     a positive example....


    How do you calculate for this game when there is potentially 3 players who have never faced the starting pitcher Rich Harden ?

    For Phillies vs Dodgers I have 5.65-7.09 so I'm fine with your over. I have the Cardinals winning at 6-3 though :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    MLB formulated system releases Tuesday 05/12/09 :
     
                                       Pirates+103
                                       Diamondbacks-185
                                       DevilRays-131
                                       Tigers+114
     
                                       Dodgers vs Phillies OVER 9.5
                                       Braves vs Mets UNDER 9
                                       Padres vs Cubs OVER 8.5
                                       Yankees vs BlueJays UNDER 9
     
     
     a positive example....


    How do you calculate for this game when there is potentially 3 players who have never faced the starting pitcher Rich Harden ?

    For Phillies vs Dodgers I have 5.65-7.09 so I'm fine with your over. I have the Cardinals winning at 6-3 though :(
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 8:26 PM ET #177

    I meant the Padres vs Cubs game in my question.
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    I meant the Padres vs Cubs game in my question.
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 8:43 PM ET #178

    Quote Originally Posted by gambool:



    How do you calculate for this game when there is potentially 3 players who have never faced the starting pitcher Rich Harden ?

    For Phillies vs Dodgers I have 5.65-7.09 so I'm fine with your over. I have the Cardinals winning at 6-3 though :(

    This system should be alot more accurate as the season goes on, especially with teams in the same division. This will give us more AB against the pitchers. With the TOR/NYY game I had plenty of data for the Yanks but with Burnett playing for TOR the past few years we have very little AB's against the lineup. 

    If you happen to run the numbers for the mets/atl let me know what you come up with to see if our numbers are somewhat close to each other. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by gambool:



    How do you calculate for this game when there is potentially 3 players who have never faced the starting pitcher Rich Harden ?

    For Phillies vs Dodgers I have 5.65-7.09 so I'm fine with your over. I have the Cardinals winning at 6-3 though :(

    This system should be alot more accurate as the season goes on, especially with teams in the same division. This will give us more AB against the pitchers. With the TOR/NYY game I had plenty of data for the Yanks but with Burnett playing for TOR the past few years we have very little AB's against the lineup. 

    If you happen to run the numbers for the mets/atl let me know what you come up with to see if our numbers are somewhat close to each other. 

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 8:45 PM ET #179

    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    MLB "10/10" formulated Value system:
     
    (rl2o1u1fi2ml1/1twn-rl1twn-ou1twn-fi=10/10=100) described formula

    What exactly is this? I have no idea what this means, I thought it was a link but doesnt lead anywhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    MLB "10/10" formulated Value system:
     
    (rl2o1u1fi2ml1/1twn-rl1twn-ou1twn-fi=10/10=100) described formula

    What exactly is this? I have no idea what this means, I thought it was a link but doesnt lead anywhere
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 9:02 PM ET #180

    Does anyone have a high total for LAA???
    I have it at 12.6......
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    Does anyone have a high total for LAA???
    I have it at 12.6......
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 9:06 PM ET #181

    The Total on the game is  9.5 so your not all that far off...

    In Calinreddogs thread he also has a high total on this
    game..

    Good luck with it..


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    The Total on the game is  9.5 so your not all that far off...

    In Calinreddogs thread he also has a high total on this
    game..

    Good luck with it..


     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 9:16 PM ET #182

    Its going to take smarter posters than me to figure this out
      I'm no where near any of these numbersand my brain is fried already.
        Lineups I looked at for some games batter has never faced the pitcher.
        Well,I'm going  to continue following this thread,reading what I can and observe until I come up with something to offer!
       Never was much of a math guy,but this new formula scares the heck out of meNobody said it was going to be easy!!
      Lots of guys interested in doing this judging by the posts,much appreciated all......good luck.....
     
     
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    Its going to take smarter posters than me to figure this out
      I'm no where near any of these numbersand my brain is fried already.
        Lineups I looked at for some games batter has never faced the pitcher.
        Well,I'm going  to continue following this thread,reading what I can and observe until I come up with something to offer!
       Never was much of a math guy,but this new formula scares the heck out of meNobody said it was going to be easy!!
      Lots of guys interested in doing this judging by the posts,much appreciated all......good luck.....
     
     
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 9:25 PM ET #183

    Welcome headcoach66 
      I'm more of a hockey guy when it comes to stats.so I probably will not be the best of help in calculating the required stats to post plays but as you can see by reading this thread 3 or more posters are getting closer to figuring the system out.
       Hopefully we can learn together by asking questions and reading the suggested info posted by sportsnetwork.
     
     
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    Welcome headcoach66 
      I'm more of a hockey guy when it comes to stats.so I probably will not be the best of help in calculating the required stats to post plays but as you can see by reading this thread 3 or more posters are getting closer to figuring the system out.
       Hopefully we can learn together by asking questions and reading the suggested info posted by sportsnetwork.
     
     
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 9:32 PM ET #184

    Nice work Heavin-cent looks like u are almost there.....
    How about that new formula
     
    Now I know why the say baseball is a thinking mans game
      I guess I'm more of a man.
     
    Thanks for tonights plays  Sportsnetwork
      Jays just won   5-1  your play on the under 9 is a winner sir!!
     
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    Nice work Heavin-cent looks like u are almost there.....
    How about that new formula
     
    Now I know why the say baseball is a thinking mans game
      I guess I'm more of a man.
     
    Thanks for tonights plays  Sportsnetwork
      Jays just won   5-1  your play on the under 9 is a winner sir!!
     
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 11:57 PM ET #185

    Question(probably stupid)but I have to start somewhere
     
    using Base Runs Basic formula above do you calculate for each player in the starting line up vs starting pitcher first of all???or am I way off base(no pund intended)??
     
    I did my first calculation using ELLSBURY vs WEAVER in tonights Bost/LAA game!
     
    using the following stats  AB= 8
                                         H  = 2
                                        TB = 5
                                        HR = 1
                                        BB = 0
     
    Resulting in A = 1    B = 2.856   C = 6   D = 1
     
    Base Runs = A x B / (B + C) + D
     
                       1 X 2.856 / (2.856 + 6) + 1 = 1.322 for Ellsbury
     
    I think I'm way off and probably not doing it rightbut I'm trying......and atleast lets see if my math adds up
     
    going to bed now,got a headache
     
    looking forward to a good laugh after you guys read this....
     
     
     
     
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    Question(probably stupid)but I have to start somewhere
     
    using Base Runs Basic formula above do you calculate for each player in the starting line up vs starting pitcher first of all???or am I way off base(no pund intended)??
     
    I did my first calculation using ELLSBURY vs WEAVER in tonights Bost/LAA game!
     
    using the following stats  AB= 8
                                         H  = 2
                                        TB = 5
                                        HR = 1
                                        BB = 0
     
    Resulting in A = 1    B = 2.856   C = 6   D = 1
     
    Base Runs = A x B / (B + C) + D
     
                       1 X 2.856 / (2.856 + 6) + 1 = 1.322 for Ellsbury
     
    I think I'm way off and probably not doing it rightbut I'm trying......and atleast lets see if my math adds up
     
    going to bed now,got a headache
     
    looking forward to a good laugh after you guys read this....
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2009 - 1:32 AM ET #186

    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:

    Does anyone have a high total for LAA???
    I have it at 12.6......

    I caught it at 8.5. I feel like I was on the right side on this one but when you leave 30 guys on base and 9 in scoring position it is tough to cover. Weaver pitched very well and Masterson kept if down as well, tough loss...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:

    Does anyone have a high total for LAA???
    I have it at 12.6......

    I caught it at 8.5. I feel like I was on the right side on this one but when you leave 30 guys on base and 9 in scoring position it is tough to cover. Weaver pitched very well and Masterson kept if down as well, tough loss...
     
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    Im sure these are not the same numbers that SN gets but I seem to be close enough to make a few of them plays. I am posting this to see if others are coming close with me or if we are polar opposites it may save me some money and make them a no play. My plays and runs expected for WEDNESDAY

    CHW/CLE = 13.85 line - 8.5
    CLE RL is worth a look. 

    STL/PIT = 5 line is 9
    (not as strong as CHW/CLE simply cause they have way more ABs and #'s to use)

    LA/PHI = 6.6 runs line is 10

    Insight is more than welcome

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    Im sure these are not the same numbers that SN gets but I seem to be close enough to make a few of them plays. I am posting this to see if others are coming close with me or if we are polar opposites it may save me some money and make them a no play. My plays and runs expected for WEDNESDAY

    CHW/CLE = 13.85 line - 8.5
    CLE RL is worth a look. 

    STL/PIT = 5 line is 9
    (not as strong as CHW/CLE simply cause they have way more ABs and #'s to use)

    LA/PHI = 6.6 runs line is 10

    Insight is more than welcome

     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2009 - 4:48 AM ET #188

    A POSITIVE EXAMPLE;
     
    based on the concept of "adjustments" and the many PM messages to confirm, I expressed the confirmation on adjustments in the form of an example.....please follow me in understanding.
     
    the 8 teams I have listed above, are those that qualify for system play in yesterdays action, the variable, or adjusment, come in the way of the "cut" (which is explained in detail, earlier in the thread, but obviously over looked) the 3 strongest "reads" based on pure sabermetric calc are Pirates, Atl/NYM- under, NYY/Tor- under...
    TB&ARI would have also been included, with the 3 weaker teams eliminated, based on their low rating of not being conclusive enough to produce a winning advantage..This of course is where the variables are added, still using the sabermetric rating of your strongest forecast, and using it's own equation "gap" to produce the very important final cut, and initiate your wagers, which in this particular example would have been a 3-2 success ratio......
     
    By the way; I just didn't read the formula one day, and publish the experiment the next..reading the commentary of the participants of this thread I COMPLETELY RELATE to what you saying, because I experienced identical conclusions when applying sabermetrics to MLB stats for handicapping purposes.....
     
    Not only did I read everything that TomTango(the innovator) published, and blogged, I also contacted him through tangotiger.com for more in-depth understanding. The next step was to do backround on David Smyth, the inventor of sabermetrics attached to MLB stats( this is an important "key"-understanding how to "attach" the Base_Runs formula to sabermetric projections, and evaluations..by trial, and error, this took 14 days of work before the 70% success ratio was achieved through a documented experiment.....
     
    It must also be noted that "you are not going back into the future, through sabermetric stats" you are adding a successful "tool" to your handicapping skills(one that is proven to be successful, not just discussed)
     
    You gentlemen are definately pointed in the correct direction, and far from being lost in concept..It's their..My only advantage is 20 years experience in handicapping MLB....Your advantage,  being in the right place, at the right time, and having 5 intelligent handicapping brains working together as a "group" to develop successful advantage......Which is a treasure within itself; take advantage of your situation, and never let your esteem depreciate!
    your motivation factor, is simply, "the application of sabermetrics, applied  to MLB stats on 100 plays, is successful 70% ...... understanding, not30, not50, not75, but 100... where "luck" becomes limited in nature"    the best to all
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    A POSITIVE EXAMPLE;
     
    based on the concept of "adjustments" and the many PM messages to confirm, I expressed the confirmation on adjustments in the form of an example.....please follow me in understanding.
     
    the 8 teams I have listed above, are those that qualify for system play in yesterdays action, the variable, or adjusment, come in the way of the "cut" (which is explained in detail, earlier in the thread, but obviously over looked) the 3 strongest "reads" based on pure sabermetric calc are Pirates, Atl/NYM- under, NYY/Tor- under...
    TB&ARI would have also been included, with the 3 weaker teams eliminated, based on their low rating of not being conclusive enough to produce a winning advantage..This of course is where the variables are added, still using the sabermetric rating of your strongest forecast, and using it's own equation "gap" to produce the very important final cut, and initiate your wagers, which in this particular example would have been a 3-2 success ratio......
     
    By the way; I just didn't read the formula one day, and publish the experiment the next..reading the commentary of the participants of this thread I COMPLETELY RELATE to what you saying, because I experienced identical conclusions when applying sabermetrics to MLB stats for handicapping purposes.....
     
    Not only did I read everything that TomTango(the innovator) published, and blogged, I also contacted him through tangotiger.com for more in-depth understanding. The next step was to do backround on David Smyth, the inventor of sabermetrics attached to MLB stats( this is an important "key"-understanding how to "attach" the Base_Runs formula to sabermetric projections, and evaluations..by trial, and error, this took 14 days of work before the 70% success ratio was achieved through a documented experiment.....
     
    It must also be noted that "you are not going back into the future, through sabermetric stats" you are adding a successful "tool" to your handicapping skills(one that is proven to be successful, not just discussed)
     
    You gentlemen are definately pointed in the correct direction, and far from being lost in concept..It's their..My only advantage is 20 years experience in handicapping MLB....Your advantage,  being in the right place, at the right time, and having 5 intelligent handicapping brains working together as a "group" to develop successful advantage......Which is a treasure within itself; take advantage of your situation, and never let your esteem depreciate!
    your motivation factor, is simply, "the application of sabermetrics, applied  to MLB stats on 100 plays, is successful 70% ...... understanding, not30, not50, not75, but 100... where "luck" becomes limited in nature"    the best to all
     
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    How do you calculate for this game when there is potentially 3 players who have never faced the starting pitcher Rich Harden ?

    For Phillies vs Dodgers I have 5.65-7.09 so I'm fine with your over. I have the Cardinals winning at 6-3 though :(

    you do not need(and this is made very clear) the entire line-up to face the pitchers that are designated, only the ones available. However, the "read" and your play gets a stronger lean when more batters are involved; in principal, these games should be by-passed, but still looked at.for value plays(RL,dogs)

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    How do you calculate for this game when there is potentially 3 players who have never faced the starting pitcher Rich Harden ?

    For Phillies vs Dodgers I have 5.65-7.09 so I'm fine with your over. I have the Cardinals winning at 6-3 though :(

    you do not need(and this is made very clear) the entire line-up to face the pitchers that are designated, only the ones available. However, the "read" and your play gets a stronger lean when more batters are involved; in principal, these games should be by-passed, but still looked at.for value plays(RL,dogs)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by diamonddicer:

    So the picks a couple of posts above are the result of this new formula? Forgive me but I'm confused can you please explain? I read the thread twice...thanks for all of you hard work with these formulas and posting!

    NO,,,they are an example only, to assist in explaining variables, and adtustments, based on your commentary..

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamonddicer:

    So the picks a couple of posts above are the result of this new formula? Forgive me but I'm confused can you please explain? I read the thread twice...thanks for all of you hard work with these formulas and posting!

    NO,,,they are an example only, to assist in explaining variables, and adtustments, based on your commentary..

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    MLB formulated system releases Tuesday 05/12/09 :
     
                                       Pirates+103
                                       Diamondbacks-185
                                       DevilRays-131
                                       Tigers+114
     
                                       Dodgers vs Phillies OVER 9.5
                                       Braves vs Mets UNDER 9
                                       Padres vs Cubs OVER 8.5
                                       Yankees vs BlueJays UNDER 9
     
     
     a positive example....

    These are connected to post #188 for info, please read.........

    they are not published plays/picks by any means

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    MLB formulated system releases Tuesday 05/12/09 :
     
                                       Pirates+103
                                       Diamondbacks-185
                                       DevilRays-131
                                       Tigers+114
     
                                       Dodgers vs Phillies OVER 9.5
                                       Braves vs Mets UNDER 9
                                       Padres vs Cubs OVER 8.5
                                       Yankees vs BlueJays UNDER 9
     
     
     a positive example....

    These are connected to post #188 for info, please read.........

    they are not published plays/picks by any means

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    MLB "10/10" formulated Value system:
     
    (rl2o1u1fi2ml1/1twn-rl1twn-ou1twn-fi=10/10=100) described formula

    diamonddicer / to answer your question regarding this formula, it's a new formula I am working on, and getting ready to publish, and document, in experimental form, as was done with Base_Runs.. I was asked to publish the formula in advance for research purposes...excuse the confusion.......

     

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    MLB "10/10" formulated Value system:
     
    (rl2o1u1fi2ml1/1twn-rl1twn-ou1twn-fi=10/10=100) described formula

    diamonddicer / to answer your question regarding this formula, it's a new formula I am working on, and getting ready to publish, and document, in experimental form, as was done with Base_Runs.. I was asked to publish the formula in advance for research purposes...excuse the confusion.......

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuckHog:

    Question(probably stupid)but I have to start somewhere
     
    using Base Runs Basic formula above do you calculate for each player in the starting line up vs starting pitcher first of all???or am I way off base(no pund intended)??
     
    I did my first calculation using ELLSBURY vs WEAVER in tonights Bost/LAA game!
     
    using the following stats  AB= 8
                                         H  = 2
                                        TB = 5
                                        HR = 1
                                        BB = 0
     
    Resulting in A = 1    B = 2.856   C = 6   D = 1
     
    Base Runs = A x B / (B + C) + D
     
                       1 X 2.856 / (2.856 + 6) + 1 = 1.322 for Ellsbury
     
    I think I'm way off and probably not doing it rightbut I'm trying......and atleast lets see if my math adds up
     
    going to bed now,got a headache
     
    looking forward to a good laugh after you guys read this....
     
     
     
     

    Your question is far from "stupid" when it is answered, the door will be opened for your entrance to understanding, and application

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuckHog:

    Question(probably stupid)but I have to start somewhere
     
    using Base Runs Basic formula above do you calculate for each player in the starting line up vs starting pitcher first of all???or am I way off base(no pund intended)??
     
    I did my first calculation using ELLSBURY vs WEAVER in tonights Bost/LAA game!
     
    using the following stats  AB= 8
                                         H  = 2
                                        TB = 5
                                        HR = 1
                                        BB = 0
     
    Resulting in A = 1    B = 2.856   C = 6   D = 1
     
    Base Runs = A x B / (B + C) + D
     
                       1 X 2.856 / (2.856 + 6) + 1 = 1.322 for Ellsbury
     
    I think I'm way off and probably not doing it rightbut I'm trying......and atleast lets see if my math adds up
     
    going to bed now,got a headache
     
    looking forward to a good laugh after you guys read this....
     
     
     
     

    Your question is far from "stupid" when it is answered, the door will be opened for your entrance to understanding, and application

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:

    Im sure these are not the same numbers that SN gets but I seem to be close enough to make a few of them plays. I am posting this to see if others are coming close with me or if we are polar opposites it may save me some money and make them a no play. My plays and runs expected for WEDNESDAY

    CHW/CLE = 13.85 line - 8.5
    CLE RL is worth a look. 

    STL/PIT = 5 line is 9
    (not as strong as CHW/CLE simply cause they have way more ABs and #'s to use)

    LA/PHI = 6.6 runs line is 10

    Insight is more than welcome

    you have connected sabermetrics to MLB stats, and have penetrated the use of Base_Runs formula/Runs_Created...the rest is trial, and error, with added research, as you can see, this is not for a lazy handicapper, or someone that has no ulterior motives for financial gain

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:

    Im sure these are not the same numbers that SN gets but I seem to be close enough to make a few of them plays. I am posting this to see if others are coming close with me or if we are polar opposites it may save me some money and make them a no play. My plays and runs expected for WEDNESDAY

    CHW/CLE = 13.85 line - 8.5
    CLE RL is worth a look. 

    STL/PIT = 5 line is 9
    (not as strong as CHW/CLE simply cause they have way more ABs and #'s to use)

    LA/PHI = 6.6 runs line is 10

    Insight is more than welcome

    you have connected sabermetrics to MLB stats, and have penetrated the use of Base_Runs formula/Runs_Created...the rest is trial, and error, with added research, as you can see, this is not for a lazy handicapper, or someone that has no ulterior motives for financial gain

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    A POSITIVE EXAMPLE;
     
    based on the concept of "adjustments" and the many PM messages to confirm, I expressed the confirmation on adjustments in the form of an example.....please follow me in understanding.
     
    the 8 teams I have listed above, are those that qualify for system play in yesterdays action, the variable, or adjusment, come in the way of the "cut" (which is explained in detail, earlier in the thread, but obviously over looked) the 3 strongest "reads" based on pure sabermetric calc are Pirates, Atl/NYM- under, NYY/Tor- under...
    TB&ARI would have also been included, with the 3 weaker teams eliminated, based on their low rating of not being conclusive enough to produce a winning advantage..This of course is where the variables are added, still using the sabermetric rating of your strongest forecast, and using it's own equation "gap" to produce the very important final cut, and initiate your wagers, which in this particular example would have been a 3-2 success ratio......
     
    By the way; I just didn't read the formula one day, and publish the experiment the next..reading the commentary of the participants of this thread I COMPLETELY RELATE to what you saying, because I experienced identical conclusions when applying sabermetrics to MLB stats for handicapping purposes.....
     
    Not only did I read everything that TomTango(the innovator) published, and blogged, I also contacted him through tangotiger.com for more in-depth understanding. The next step was to do backround on David Smyth, the inventor of sabermetrics attached to MLB stats( this is an important "key"-understanding how to "attach" the Base_Runs formula to sabermetric projections, and evaluations..by trial, and error, this took 14 days of work before the 70% success ratio was achieved through a documented experiment.....
     
    It must also be noted that "you are not going back into the future, through sabermetric stats" you are adding a successful "tool" to your handicapping skills(one that is proven to be successful, not just discussed)
     
    You gentlemen are definately pointed in the correct direction, and far from being lost in concept..It's their..My only advantage is 20 years experience in handicapping MLB....Your advantage,  being in the right place, at the right time, and having 5 intelligent handicapping brains working together as a "group" to develop successful advantage......Which is a treasure within itself; take advantage of your situation, and never let your esteem depreciate!
    your motivation factor, is simply, "the application of sabermetrics, applied  to MLB stats on 100 plays, is successful 70% ...... understanding, not30, not50, not75, but 100... where "luck" becomes limited in nature"    the best to all

    I read the thread three times now, and while I by no means consider myself a genuis, I have an advanced degree and a CPA and I would expect it of myself that I would be able to follow how/what "adjustments" are made through your phases but I just can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    A POSITIVE EXAMPLE;
     
    based on the concept of "adjustments" and the many PM messages to confirm, I expressed the confirmation on adjustments in the form of an example.....please follow me in understanding.
     
    the 8 teams I have listed above, are those that qualify for system play in yesterdays action, the variable, or adjusment, come in the way of the "cut" (which is explained in detail, earlier in the thread, but obviously over looked) the 3 strongest "reads" based on pure sabermetric calc are Pirates, Atl/NYM- under, NYY/Tor- under...
    TB&ARI would have also been included, with the 3 weaker teams eliminated, based on their low rating of not being conclusive enough to produce a winning advantage..This of course is where the variables are added, still using the sabermetric rating of your strongest forecast, and using it's own equation "gap" to produce the very important final cut, and initiate your wagers, which in this particular example would have been a 3-2 success ratio......
     
    By the way; I just didn't read the formula one day, and publish the experiment the next..reading the commentary of the participants of this thread I COMPLETELY RELATE to what you saying, because I experienced identical conclusions when applying sabermetrics to MLB stats for handicapping purposes.....
     
    Not only did I read everything that TomTango(the innovator) published, and blogged, I also contacted him through tangotiger.com for more in-depth understanding. The next step was to do backround on David Smyth, the inventor of sabermetrics attached to MLB stats( this is an important "key"-understanding how to "attach" the Base_Runs formula to sabermetric projections, and evaluations..by trial, and error, this took 14 days of work before the 70% success ratio was achieved through a documented experiment.....
     
    It must also be noted that "you are not going back into the future, through sabermetric stats" you are adding a successful "tool" to your handicapping skills(one that is proven to be successful, not just discussed)
     
    You gentlemen are definately pointed in the correct direction, and far from being lost in concept..It's their..My only advantage is 20 years experience in handicapping MLB....Your advantage,  being in the right place, at the right time, and having 5 intelligent handicapping brains working together as a "group" to develop successful advantage......Which is a treasure within itself; take advantage of your situation, and never let your esteem depreciate!
    your motivation factor, is simply, "the application of sabermetrics, applied  to MLB stats on 100 plays, is successful 70% ...... understanding, not30, not50, not75, but 100... where "luck" becomes limited in nature"    the best to all

    I read the thread three times now, and while I by no means consider myself a genuis, I have an advanced degree and a CPA and I would expect it of myself that I would be able to follow how/what "adjustments" are made through your phases but I just can't.
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2009 - 11:39 AM ET #196

    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:


    CHW/CLE = 13.85 line - 8.5
    CLE RL is worth a look. 

    STL/PIT = 5 line is 9
    (not as strong as CHW/CLE simply cause they have way more ABs and #'s to use)

    LA/PHI = 6.6 runs line is 10

    Insight is more than welcome



    Hi vincent,

    I have :
    CHW/CLE total runs 13
    PIT/STL total runs 6.5
    LAD/PHI total runs 14 !

    So we're pretty close for the first two, but not the last one.

    Also I would like to know from sports_network, since I have 9.92-3.8 for the phillies, am I better betting on the over at 10 or on the winning team ? I would guess on the team since the difference is bigger, but the odds are better on the over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:


    CHW/CLE = 13.85 line - 8.5
    CLE RL is worth a look. 

    STL/PIT = 5 line is 9
    (not as strong as CHW/CLE simply cause they have way more ABs and #'s to use)

    LA/PHI = 6.6 runs line is 10

    Insight is more than welcome



    Hi vincent,

    I have :
    CHW/CLE total runs 13
    PIT/STL total runs 6.5
    LAD/PHI total runs 14 !

    So we're pretty close for the first two, but not the last one.

    Also I would like to know from sports_network, since I have 9.92-3.8 for the phillies, am I better betting on the over at 10 or on the winning team ? I would guess on the team since the difference is bigger, but the odds are better on the over.

     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2009 - 12:25 PM ET #197

    I have a similar number for PHL/LA - 10.70-4.21
    Best 3:
     
    PHL -110
    ATL/NYM O 9.5
    NYY +100
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    I have a similar number for PHL/LA - 10.70-4.21
    Best 3:
     
    PHL -110
    ATL/NYM O 9.5
    NYY +100
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuckHog:

    Question(probably stupid)but I have to start somewhere
     
    using Base Runs Basic formula above do you calculate for each player in the starting line up vs starting pitcher first of all???or am I way off base(no pund intended)??
     
    I did my first calculation using ELLSBURY vs WEAVER in tonights Bost/LAA game!


    Hello, you have to apply the formula to the entire team stats (adding individual stats) and not individual players, read the wikipedia article on base runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuckHog:

    Question(probably stupid)but I have to start somewhere
     
    using Base Runs Basic formula above do you calculate for each player in the starting line up vs starting pitcher first of all???or am I way off base(no pund intended)??
     
    I did my first calculation using ELLSBURY vs WEAVER in tonights Bost/LAA game!


    Hello, you have to apply the formula to the entire team stats (adding individual stats) and not individual players, read the wikipedia article on base runs.

     
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    ca_cris, good !
    I have only made the calc for the 3 games I mentionned, will try to do the yankees and mets games by tonight but I'm busy right now.
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    ca_cris, good !
    I have only made the calc for the 3 games I mentionned, will try to do the yankees and mets games by tonight but I'm busy right now.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gambool:



    Hi vincent,

    I have :
    CHW/CLE total runs 13
    PIT/STL total runs 6.5
    LAD/PHI total runs 14 !

    So we're pretty close for the first two, but not the last one.

    Also I would like to know from sports_network, since I have 9.92-3.8 for the phillies, am I better betting on the over at 10 or on the winning team ? I would guess on the team since the difference is bigger, but the odds are better on the over.

    the answer to your question, directed towards me, are in the final score, which gives the only assessment available to be accurate.. until it approaches your goal of 70% consistentcy. you do the numbers, you get your read, make a decision on your final plays, get your results, compare, correct your mistakes, re-capp your losses to wins, Bammm, I will reinforce this for the final time, your objective is to create the game in advance, by applying a sabermetrician approach to MLB stats, by using Base_Runs / Runs_Created formula... EXPLAINED in complete, and total detail, published for your viewing in the Wikipedia link, that's the best I can do in your behalf, I can't go any farther, because explaining has reached a standstill, the rest lies between your shoulders, and your handicapping skills, with continued research, there's no doubt, you will figure this out, I can recognize this in your commentary..Unfortunately, I cannot, and will not, handicapp the games for you or anyone else..It serves no purpose, and that was not the intention of the thread..But I will educate, to the best of my ability...in conclusion, I can only recommend you read additional material published by Tom Tango the innovator of Base_Runs, or go to his site  tangotiger.com and contact him directly....

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    Hi vincent,

    I have :
    CHW/CLE total runs 13
    PIT/STL total runs 6.5
    LAD/PHI total runs 14 !

    So we're pretty close for the first two, but not the last one.

    Also I would like to know from sports_network, since I have 9.92-3.8 for the phillies, am I better betting on the over at 10 or on the winning team ? I would guess on the team since the difference is bigger, but the odds are better on the over.

    the answer to your question, directed towards me, are in the final score, which gives the only assessment available to be accurate.. until it approaches your goal of 70% consistentcy. you do the numbers, you get your read, make a decision on your final plays, get your results, compare, correct your mistakes, re-capp your losses to wins, Bammm, I will reinforce this for the final time, your objective is to create the game in advance, by applying a sabermetrician approach to MLB stats, by using Base_Runs / Runs_Created formula... EXPLAINED in complete, and total detail, published for your viewing in the Wikipedia link, that's the best I can do in your behalf, I can't go any farther, because explaining has reached a standstill, the rest lies between your shoulders, and your handicapping skills, with continued research, there's no doubt, you will figure this out, I can recognize this in your commentary..Unfortunately, I cannot, and will not, handicapp the games for you or anyone else..It serves no purpose, and that was not the intention of the thread..But I will educate, to the best of my ability...in conclusion, I can only recommend you read additional material published by Tom Tango the innovator of Base_Runs, or go to his site  tangotiger.com and contact him directly....

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