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    For Fun - Anything but favorite win by 1 run chase

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    neilsy25
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 1:22 PM ET #1

    So..inspired by Supereagles martingale chase, and looking for a little fun .. I have set aside $500 for my own all or nothing chase..  but a little different. I am sure you have all heard of  betting both sides of a game, on the Dog  and the Favorite -1.5 at plus money so that the only losing outcome is a fave win by exactly one run.. over the season its a losing bet.. but i am gonna chase this hoping that for the rest of the season i can avoid 2 losses in a row ( that is avoid picking 2 games in a row where the fave wins by exactly one run).. the plan is to divide the roll by 10  ..and that equals the total amount of my 1st bet  (i.e 5% per side) ..if the 1st bet loses.. double down the rest of the roll on the 2nd..  so its simple..avoid 1 run games !!!

    If i can make it to the end of the year.. increasing my roll on avg 2% per day ..my $500 will be almost 10k ..  so basically i am betting $500 at 20-1 that i can do this ..suckerbet ? ..we'll see

    so ...lets get it on

    starting roll $500

    7pm bet     Pirates  +113     $25 to win $53.25

                    Brewers -1.5   +123     $25 to win  $55.75

     

    If this game is done in time my 2nd bet will be the  Yanks/Oakland game..

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    So..inspired by Supereagles martingale chase, and looking for a little fun .. I have set aside $500 for my own all or nothing chase..  but a little different. I am sure you have all heard of  betting both sides of a game, on the Dog  and the Favorite -1.5 at plus money so that the only losing outcome is a fave win by exactly one run.. over the season its a losing bet.. but i am gonna chase this hoping that for the rest of the season i can avoid 2 losses in a row ( that is avoid picking 2 games in a row where the fave wins by exactly one run).. the plan is to divide the roll by 10  ..and that equals the total amount of my 1st bet  (i.e 5% per side) ..if the 1st bet loses.. double down the rest of the roll on the 2nd..  so its simple..avoid 1 run games !!!

    If i can make it to the end of the year.. increasing my roll on avg 2% per day ..my $500 will be almost 10k ..  so basically i am betting $500 at 20-1 that i can do this ..suckerbet ? ..we'll see

    so ...lets get it on

    starting roll $500

    7pm bet     Pirates  +113     $25 to win $53.25

                    Brewers -1.5   +123     $25 to win  $55.75

     

    If this game is done in time my 2nd bet will be the  Yanks/Oakland game..

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 1:40 PM ET #2

    So just a two day chase huh?  2 losses in a row and it's done?
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    So just a two day chase huh?  2 losses in a row and it's done?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 1:49 PM ET #3

    you got it ..somedays 3 ..if there are afternoon games..2 straight losses and its $500        .... more for fun than anything..
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    you got it ..somedays 3 ..if there are afternoon games..2 straight losses and its $500        .... more for fun than anything..
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 5:14 PM ET #4

    4/21/2010 7:05 PM MLB Baseball 905 Milwaukee Brewers* -1½ +125 vs Pittsburgh Pirates
    Y Gallardo - R Listed   Z Duke - L Listed
    Risking $25.00 To Win $31.25

    4/21/2010 7:05 PM MLB Baseball 906 Pittsburgh Pirates* +118 vs Milwaukee Brewers
    Y Gallardo - R Listed   Z Duke - L Listed
    Risking $25.00 To Win $29.50

     

    not being a smart ass, but how do you get $25 wins $55 + ???

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    4/21/2010 7:05 PM MLB Baseball 905 Milwaukee Brewers* -1½ +125 vs Pittsburgh Pirates
    Y Gallardo - R Listed   Z Duke - L Listed
    Risking $25.00 To Win $31.25

    4/21/2010 7:05 PM MLB Baseball 906 Pittsburgh Pirates* +118 vs Milwaukee Brewers
    Y Gallardo - R Listed   Z Duke - L Listed
    Risking $25.00 To Win $29.50

     

    not being a smart ass, but how do you get $25 wins $55 + ???

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 5:22 PM ET #5

    the $55 includes the original bet..jus tthe way my book show sit ...same as $25 to win $30.75 ....
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    the $55 includes the original bet..jus tthe way my book show sit ...same as $25 to win $30.75 ....
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 8:52 PM ET #7

    neilsy, what % of games end with a 1 run difference?
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    neilsy, what % of games end with a 1 run difference?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 9:45 PM ET #8

    rizz..about 15% of the time the fave wins by 1 run ..

    assuming milwuakee doesnt score 6 in the last 2 innings..looks like 1-0

    next play tonite gonna be

    Baltimore +170   25.28 to win 40.26

    Seattle - 1.5  +110  25.28 to win 28.09

     

     

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    rizz..about 15% of the time the fave wins by 1 run ..

    assuming milwuakee doesnt score 6 in the last 2 innings..looks like 1-0

    next play tonite gonna be

    Baltimore +170   25.28 to win 40.26

    Seattle - 1.5  +110  25.28 to win 28.09

     

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 10:19 PM ET #9

    So you have about a 98% chance of winning one of the two.... That is pretty good.  I think you meant PIT scoring 6.  Unfortunately I was on the wrong side on that one.  98% is hella good odds for a two game chase.
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    So you have about a 98% chance of winning one of the two.... That is pretty good.  I think you meant PIT scoring 6.  Unfortunately I was on the wrong side on that one.  98% is hella good odds for a two game chase.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 10:25 PM ET #10

    I think I may try to roll with you on this.  I am going to check the number of 1 run games last year.  Be back in a few minutes.
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    I think I may try to roll with you on this.  I am going to check the number of 1 run games last year.  Be back in a few minutes.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 10:36 PM ET #11

    Theres already been a few series where all 3 games were 1 run games this year.
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    Theres already been a few series where all 3 games were 1 run games this year.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 11:00 PM ET #12

    ya i meant Pitt .. rizz .. simple query on sportsdatabase  ..done it all the way back to 2004.. always in the 85% range

    Hectar  . not playing full series.. just tryin to pick my spots..

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    ya i meant Pitt .. rizz .. simple query on sportsdatabase  ..done it all the way back to 2004.. always in the 85% range

    Hectar  . not playing full series.. just tryin to pick my spots..

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 11:15 PM ET #13

    not sure how you got 98% rizz.. but this i far from solid.. it is a 2 game chase where losing the 2nd game costs u 100 units  ..so even if you win 98% of the time.. and lose 2%.. u lose..iam rollin the dice here...gambooooooool
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    not sure how you got 98% rizz.. but this i far from solid.. it is a 2 game chase where losing the 2nd game costs u 100 units  ..so even if you win 98% of the time.. and lose 2%.. u lose..iam rollin the dice here...gambooooooool
     
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    not sure how you got 98% rizz.. but this i far from solid.. it is a 2 game chase where losing the 2nd game costs u 100 units  ..so even if you win 98% of the time.. and lose 2%.. u lose..iam rollin the dice here...gambooooooool
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    not sure how you got 98% rizz.. but this i far from solid.. it is a 2 game chase where losing the 2nd game costs u 100 units  ..so even if you win 98% of the time.. and lose 2%.. u lose..iam rollin the dice here...gambooooooool
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 11:20 PM ET #15

    Okay,

    Ran the numbers for 2009.  330 games the favored team won by 1 run out of around 2350 games = 14%.  The odds of picking two games in a row is 1.97%

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    Okay,

    Ran the numbers for 2009.  330 games the favored team won by 1 run out of around 2350 games = 14%.  The odds of picking two games in a row is 1.97%

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    Okay,

    Ran the numbers for 2009.  330 games the favored team won by 1 run out of around 2350 games = 14%.  The odds of picking two games in a row is 1.97%

    sounds good to me !  ..

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    Okay,

    Ran the numbers for 2009.  330 games the favored team won by 1 run out of around 2350 games = 14%.  The odds of picking two games in a row is 1.97%

    sounds good to me !  ..

     
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    I have an opening game favorite chase where we chase based on opening odds > -145.  Here are the numbers for 2009.

    ML = 178-75,   RL = 140-113, so in 38 of these games the favorite would win by 1 run.  30/253 games lose = 11.9 %.  Odds of losing two in a row = 1.4%.  You may want to stick to these kinds of plays.

    I get that percentage by taking the chance to lose one game 11.9% and multiplying it by the chance to lose another game.

    .119 x .119 = .014.

     

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    I have an opening game favorite chase where we chase based on opening odds > -145.  Here are the numbers for 2009.

    ML = 178-75,   RL = 140-113, so in 38 of these games the favorite would win by 1 run.  30/253 games lose = 11.9 %.  Odds of losing two in a row = 1.4%.  You may want to stick to these kinds of plays.

    I get that percentage by taking the chance to lose one game 11.9% and multiplying it by the chance to lose another game.

    .119 x .119 = .014.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2010 - 11:46 PM ET #18

    So you have about 49:1 to not hit the landmine!  This should be interesting...  You are going to make two plays per day??

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    So you have about 49:1 to not hit the landmine!  This should be interesting...  You are going to make two plays per day??

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    So you have about 49:1 to not hit the landmine!  This should be interesting...  You are going to make two plays per day??

    most days..somedays 3 ...there may be no plays somedays.. depending on the lines,, has to be + money on both sides...generally my strategy is to try and pick home dogs as much as possible.. (should narrow down the 1 run games).and otherwise look at the teams recent form .and get lucky !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    So you have about 49:1 to not hit the landmine!  This should be interesting...  You are going to make two plays per day??

    most days..somedays 3 ...there may be no plays somedays.. depending on the lines,, has to be + money on both sides...generally my strategy is to try and pick home dogs as much as possible.. (should narrow down the 1 run games).and otherwise look at the teams recent form .and get lucky !!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2010 - 12:22 AM ET #20

    2-0 tonite..1 day down..149 to go..lol

     

    starting roll = $500

    current roll = $508.56

    Game 1 record : 2-0

    Game 2 record  0-0

     

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    2-0 tonite..1 day down..149 to go..lol

     

    starting roll = $500

    current roll = $508.56

    Game 1 record : 2-0

    Game 2 record  0-0

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2010 - 9:56 AM ET #21

    looks like it will just be one game today

    Cubs +137   $25.43 to win  $34.84

    Mets  - 1.5  +136   $25.43 to win  $34.51

     

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    looks like it will just be one game today

    Cubs +137   $25.43 to win  $34.84

    Mets  - 1.5  +136   $25.43 to win  $34.51

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2010 - 10:11 AM ET #22

    That might be fun...I wont play it, but I will definately watch and
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    That might be fun...I wont play it, but I will definately watch and
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2010 - 10:27 AM ET #23

    Here is an idea Neilsy.  Start with higher bet amounts to make it worth while and do a 3 game Martingale just randomly picking 1 game like this each day.  Or if there are games with staggered time slots you could get multiple games.  What would be the odds of losing taking this approach rizz?

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    Here is an idea Neilsy.  Start with higher bet amounts to make it worth while and do a 3 game Martingale just randomly picking 1 game like this each day.  Or if there are games with staggered time slots you could get multiple games.  What would be the odds of losing taking this approach rizz?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2010 - 10:30 AM ET #24

    Cab you figure what a starting role $500 would turn into doing it the way I suggested?  Im not a math wiz.  I might give this a try if it looks worthwhile on a 3 gamer.
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    Cab you figure what a starting role $500 would turn into doing it the way I suggested?  Im not a math wiz.  I might give this a try if it looks worthwhile on a 3 gamer.
     
     
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    i looked at a 3 gamer  ..but if I truly want to martingale..and using an average getting +120 on each side ..roughly you need to 10X the bet for each next level .. i.e .. to chase 3 games with $500 ..first bet total is  $5 ..2nd $50 ..and 3rd $500 .. would take a while to build a roll like this,..

    also i am definetely playing multiple games per day..if the odds are there..unfortunately today both early games do not have plus odds on the ML...nor does the late one..

     

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    i looked at a 3 gamer  ..but if I truly want to martingale..and using an average getting +120 on each side ..roughly you need to 10X the bet for each next level .. i.e .. to chase 3 games with $500 ..first bet total is  $5 ..2nd $50 ..and 3rd $500 .. would take a while to build a roll like this,..

    also i am definetely playing multiple games per day..if the odds are there..unfortunately today both early games do not have plus odds on the ML...nor does the late one..

     

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