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    HECTAR
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 5:14 PM ET #51

     Anxiety?  He knew he would be in this situation after just 1 loss.  Sure the odds of a 1 run game are low, but just think how low the odds of a 1 run game in every game of a series are?  And it already happened in 3 series already this season.  This is not smart gambling.
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     Anxiety?  He knew he would be in this situation after just 1 loss.  Sure the odds of a 1 run game are low, but just think how low the odds of a 1 run game in every game of a series are?  And it already happened in 3 series already this season.  This is not smart gambling.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 5:32 PM ET #52

    Hectar do you ever contribute anyhting worthwhile ?..read the title ...FOR FUN ...
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    Hectar do you ever contribute anyhting worthwhile ?..read the title ...FOR FUN ...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 5:59 PM ET #53

    come on CLE
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 6:23 PM ET #54

    Guys, I'm looking at this from a bigger viewpoint. I'm not sure we're on the same page. Placing 2 bets on each game that fits (+ odds for RL fav. and underdog) yields a win 43% of the time. This is according to rizz's work on 2009. If you start labby lines at 1-1-1-1 and you bet 2 to win 2 (actually win a little more because of the + odds) and you lose, the next bet is 3 not 10. You're not trying to clear out the whole thing with one bet. Maybe this is where the confusion is. Neilsy's saying to clear the whole line would take 10 in the next bet. This is where he's at now.

    At a 43% win rate you can clear a line that started with 4 places on average every 14 bets as long as you follow the rules of the labby line. This isn't going to produce the return that Neilsy was shooting for when he started this endeavour, but it got me to thinking how to use his idea to provide a consistent return. Clearing a line every 14 bets nets you a 4% return on your bankroll. Just seems a little smarter way to do it in the long run. I like the idea of having the two bets on every game with just a small window of failure. Using labby consistently will eliminate the risk of failure almost completely. The return takes longer but if you're running 14 lines and betting 14 games a day in baseball you'll be clearing a line every day on average.

    your next bet after a loss (whether it comes from the RL or underdog or both) on the line is going to be

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    Guys, I'm looking at this from a bigger viewpoint. I'm not sure we're on the same page. Placing 2 bets on each game that fits (+ odds for RL fav. and underdog) yields a win 43% of the time. This is according to rizz's work on 2009. If you start labby lines at 1-1-1-1 and you bet 2 to win 2 (actually win a little more because of the + odds) and you lose, the next bet is 3 not 10. You're not trying to clear out the whole thing with one bet. Maybe this is where the confusion is. Neilsy's saying to clear the whole line would take 10 in the next bet. This is where he's at now.

    At a 43% win rate you can clear a line that started with 4 places on average every 14 bets as long as you follow the rules of the labby line. This isn't going to produce the return that Neilsy was shooting for when he started this endeavour, but it got me to thinking how to use his idea to provide a consistent return. Clearing a line every 14 bets nets you a 4% return on your bankroll. Just seems a little smarter way to do it in the long run. I like the idea of having the two bets on every game with just a small window of failure. Using labby consistently will eliminate the risk of failure almost completely. The return takes longer but if you're running 14 lines and betting 14 games a day in baseball you'll be clearing a line every day on average.

    your next bet after a loss (whether it comes from the RL or underdog or both) on the line is going to be

     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 6:24 PM ET #55

    BTW, come on CLE pour it on!!!!!!!
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 6:24 PM ET #56

    Your the one that put I could care less....
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 6:29 PM ET #57

    kirby,

    The issue is with the bankroll.  If you had a huge roll you could do this.  Since he is betting on both sides of the line he is winning a small amount proportional to what he is putting on the line.  He has 460 on the line today to win 80 bucks or so.  If he lost the bet and had to add it to his labby line he would need to bet almost 3,000 to try to recoup that loss.  So yes it could work over the long term but you would need a ridulously large bankroll to cover these kinds of bets.

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    kirby,

    The issue is with the bankroll.  If you had a huge roll you could do this.  Since he is betting on both sides of the line he is winning a small amount proportional to what he is putting on the line.  He has 460 on the line today to win 80 bucks or so.  If he lost the bet and had to add it to his labby line he would need to bet almost 3,000 to try to recoup that loss.  So yes it could work over the long term but you would need a ridulously large bankroll to cover these kinds of bets.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 6:46 PM ET #58

    rizz, I disagree. He started this particular series with PIT/HOU to win a total of $12 if HOU won on the RL or $15 if PIT won. A labby line of 5-5-5-5 would accomplish the same thing and also fit well with a bankroll of $500. You wouldn't get a 2% a day return but you could get a 4% a week return by running 2 labby lines of

    5-5-5-5  The bankroll could get to 10K with discipline. It can be done because I did it this last NCAA football season using a method very similar to this principle.

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    rizz, I disagree. He started this particular series with PIT/HOU to win a total of $12 if HOU won on the RL or $15 if PIT won. A labby line of 5-5-5-5 would accomplish the same thing and also fit well with a bankroll of $500. You wouldn't get a 2% a day return but you could get a 4% a week return by running 2 labby lines of

    5-5-5-5  The bankroll could get to 10K with discipline. It can be done because I did it this last NCAA football season using a method very similar to this principle.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 6:46 PM ET #59

    YESS!  CLE, everybody wins....
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 6:47 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by HECTAR:

    Your the one that put I could care less....

    How much less could you care???

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    Quote Originally Posted by HECTAR:

    Your the one that put I could care less....

    How much less could you care???

     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 6:51 PM ET #61

    can someone explain what the labby system is?  sorry but just wanna learn.  thanx.
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    can someone explain what the labby system is?  sorry but just wanna learn.  thanx.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 6:53 PM ET #62

    There is a thread by call82 in the systems and strategy section.  Check the last three pages.  There is an explanation by myself and kirby there.
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    There is a thread by call82 in the systems and strategy section.  Check the last three pages.  There is an explanation by myself and kirby there.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 6:55 PM ET #63

    page 13, posts start at #301
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 8:18 PM ET #64

    much appreciated!
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    much appreciated!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 8:40 PM ET #65

    Also concentrating on hitter's parks like CIN, PHI, COL, HOU, ATL might be helpful on your run lines. Of course that's probably already reflected in the higher total games.
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    Also concentrating on hitter's parks like CIN, PHI, COL, HOU, ATL might be helpful on your run lines. Of course that's probably already reflected in the higher total games.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 10:35 PM ET #66

    starting roll = $500

    current roll = $549.12

    Game 1 record : 3-1

    Game 2 record  1-0

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    starting roll = $500

    current roll = $549.12

    Game 1 record : 3-1

    Game 2 record  1-0

     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 10:41 PM ET #67

    Kirby..the problem is your not getting anyhting close to even or plus money..  if betting a unit on each side.. your lucky if your getting .10  to .20  of a unit in return ...

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    Kirby..the problem is your not getting anyhting close to even or plus money..  if betting a unit on each side.. your lucky if your getting .10  to .20  of a unit in return ...

     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 11:35 PM ET #68

    Neilsy, you are getting a plus return betting with the lab lines. I'm going to start a thread starting with 2000 roll to show how it's going to work I'll run 4 lab lines and we can see how the lab lines keep you from exposing yourself to a complete wipeout while still generating a good return. I just can't see risking your entire roll on the outcome of 1 game after only one loss. I know it's for fun but if we're going to put time into this concept I want to make money.
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    Neilsy, you are getting a plus return betting with the lab lines. I'm going to start a thread starting with 2000 roll to show how it's going to work I'll run 4 lab lines and we can see how the lab lines keep you from exposing yourself to a complete wipeout while still generating a good return. I just can't see risking your entire roll on the outcome of 1 game after only one loss. I know it's for fun but if we're going to put time into this concept I want to make money.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 24, 2010 - 11:36 PM ET #69

    I'll be keepin' an eye on you.
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 1:04 AM ET #70

    wait..so if you happen to pick two straight one run favorite victorys this whole thing is over?.. this chase will bankrupt in less then 2 weeks. its just not a good idea to begin with.
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    wait..so if you happen to pick two straight one run favorite victorys this whole thing is over?.. this chase will bankrupt in less then 2 weeks. its just not a good idea to begin with.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 10:26 AM ET #71

    i can't explain it any clearer.. i have never said this is going to make money.. its GAMBLING .. i set aside $500 for fun ..to see how long i can run this.. so please nobody else come in here and tell me its a a bad idea .. I KNOW ,,,its for fun .. kkirby.. i am not sure i understand your concept..

    lab line ,,    

    10 10 10 10

    so if you are betting to win the outside numbers i.e 20 ..you are going to need to  to bet at least 100 units on each side of the game... unless you are just betting the amount on each outside... i,e..your betting 10  units on each side.. if thats the case after game 1 win your line will  be

    9 10 10 9..

    this line would never clear in 14 days...prob npt even all season ..

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    i can't explain it any clearer.. i have never said this is going to make money.. its GAMBLING .. i set aside $500 for fun ..to see how long i can run this.. so please nobody else come in here and tell me its a a bad idea .. I KNOW ,,,its for fun .. kkirby.. i am not sure i understand your concept..

    lab line ,,    

    10 10 10 10

    so if you are betting to win the outside numbers i.e 20 ..you are going to need to  to bet at least 100 units on each side of the game... unless you are just betting the amount on each outside... i,e..your betting 10  units on each side.. if thats the case after game 1 win your line will  be

    9 10 10 9..

    this line would never clear in 14 days...prob npt even all season ..

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 10:54 AM ET #72

    I think he will be betting to win the 20 bucks not 20 units.  So he would likely have like 100 bucks on each side.  I am not sure whether he will keep his losses on the same line or split them and drop half down...
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    I think he will be betting to win the 20 bucks not 20 units.  So he would likely have like 100 bucks on each side.  I am not sure whether he will keep his losses on the same line or split them and drop half down...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 11:18 AM ET #73

    april 25

    Royals +117   $27.46 to win  $32.13

    Twins - 1.5   +119   $27.46 to win $32.68

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    april 25

    Royals +117   $27.46 to win  $32.13

    Twins - 1.5   +119   $27.46 to win $32.68

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 1:29 PM ET #74

    I'm going to start each line by betting $10 = 1 unit. Clearing each line will net a profit of 2 units. Actually it's going to net more than 2 units because I'm never laying juice. All bets are going to be at + odds. Each line will take an average of 17 bets to clear if rizz's numbers are correct on the % of times that the favorite wins by only 1 run. How many games you play a day will determine what that means in days to clear the lines. I'll add a filter or two to try and improve on rizz's number but the strategy is still the same as what you're doing. Betting the underdog and the RL favorite in the same game. The bets will be split up through 4 different Lab lines however. 
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    I'm going to start each line by betting $10 = 1 unit. Clearing each line will net a profit of 2 units. Actually it's going to net more than 2 units because I'm never laying juice. All bets are going to be at + odds. Each line will take an average of 17 bets to clear if rizz's numbers are correct on the % of times that the favorite wins by only 1 run. How many games you play a day will determine what that means in days to clear the lines. I'll add a filter or two to try and improve on rizz's number but the strategy is still the same as what you're doing. Betting the underdog and the RL favorite in the same game. The bets will be split up through 4 different Lab lines however. 
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2010 - 5:32 PM ET #75

    starting roll = $500

    current roll = $553.79

    Game 1 record : 4-1

    Game 2 record  1-0

    6 days down...144 to go  !

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    starting roll = $500

    current roll = $553.79

    Game 1 record : 4-1

    Game 2 record  1-0

    6 days down...144 to go  !

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