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    smdio
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 4:21 PM ET #176

    Actually way more than 7% considering the juice was in our favor
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 6:50 PM ET #177

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Actually way more than 7% considering the juice was in our favor


    Let me explain a few things:

    Juice is NEVER in our favour. Whether a play is -215 or +215, there is still the same amount of juice on both sides! Pinnacle has 5 cent lines therefore each side has 5 cents of juice.

    Secondly, to determine how much you won as a percentage of your BR, you simply divide how much you profited by how much you have (which comes to 6.27%). The 7% you mentioned is how much of our BR we wagered; had we profited 7%, we would have a 100% ROI (which is extremely difficult to do).

    Basically, your bankroll has nothing to do with how well you profited over a given time period. For example, I could have a 50k bankroll and bet the same wager amounts as I did today and the 6.27% would suddenly become .627% -- pretty bad. Therefore this is not a good indicator.

    The proper indicator is ROI which for today's soccer plays was 91.86%  -- We spent $561.33 to win $1076.99. No matter how much your bankroll is or how big your plays are, your ROI is always how much you returned comparative to how much you spent which is the best measure for gambling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Actually way more than 7% considering the juice was in our favor


    Let me explain a few things:

    Juice is NEVER in our favour. Whether a play is -215 or +215, there is still the same amount of juice on both sides! Pinnacle has 5 cent lines therefore each side has 5 cents of juice.

    Secondly, to determine how much you won as a percentage of your BR, you simply divide how much you profited by how much you have (which comes to 6.27%). The 7% you mentioned is how much of our BR we wagered; had we profited 7%, we would have a 100% ROI (which is extremely difficult to do).

    Basically, your bankroll has nothing to do with how well you profited over a given time period. For example, I could have a 50k bankroll and bet the same wager amounts as I did today and the 6.27% would suddenly become .627% -- pretty bad. Therefore this is not a good indicator.

    The proper indicator is ROI which for today's soccer plays was 91.86%  -- We spent $561.33 to win $1076.99. No matter how much your bankroll is or how big your plays are, your ROI is always how much you returned comparative to how much you spent which is the best measure for gambling.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 6:54 PM ET #178

    Yeah I'm not quite there with the terminology of the whole gambling thing.  Like, I know what I'm trying to say in my head, but I'm no where near as well versed as you are, and most other at covers.  Exactly what you described is exactly what I was trying to say, but you explained it much more efficiently and effectively than I could even if I were offered $1M

    Thanks for that lesson btw

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    Yeah I'm not quite there with the terminology of the whole gambling thing.  Like, I know what I'm trying to say in my head, but I'm no where near as well versed as you are, and most other at covers.  Exactly what you described is exactly what I was trying to say, but you explained it much more efficiently and effectively than I could even if I were offered $1M

    Thanks for that lesson btw

     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 7:20 PM ET #179

    Quote Originally Posted by dj_destroyer:

     

    Anyways, I'm done arguing this point, it's mute. If you don't like it (or anything in this thread for that matter), leave. You think I'm going to stop posting because my feelings are hurt that no one is tailing me? Ya right brother... I did the other thread before this one by myself with barely anyone watching and didn't mind at all! 

    "So you just do you, and I'ma do me!" 

    You are missing the point but it looks to be pointless to discuss it 
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    Anyways, I'm done arguing this point, it's mute. If you don't like it (or anything in this thread for that matter), leave. You think I'm going to stop posting because my feelings are hurt that no one is tailing me? Ya right brother... I did the other thread before this one by myself with barely anyone watching and didn't mind at all! 

    "So you just do you, and I'ma do me!" 

    You are missing the point but it looks to be pointless to discuss it 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 7:27 PM ET #180

    Quote Originally Posted by kreatture:

     
    That isn't a goal by DJ, he's here to make his own money. His goal for us isn't about the picks themselves, but to show how to properly manage a bankroll and make money without all this chasing nonsense (something which I've come to agree with him on over the past few months). However, most people always just want you to give them winners and don't care about why it's a pick in the first place. They just want the fish, without actually learning how to fish.. A typical problem in today's society.
     
    Cheers 

    MM is a good point, but since there is reason attached to each bet, you or anybody else will learn anything why a pick is a pick.

    It seems like a lot of people here do not even know the basic rules of soccer or even which league the teams are from, how on earth should they be able to learn how to "fish" 
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    That isn't a goal by DJ, he's here to make his own money. His goal for us isn't about the picks themselves, but to show how to properly manage a bankroll and make money without all this chasing nonsense (something which I've come to agree with him on over the past few months). However, most people always just want you to give them winners and don't care about why it's a pick in the first place. They just want the fish, without actually learning how to fish.. A typical problem in today's society.
     
    Cheers 

    MM is a good point, but since there is reason attached to each bet, you or anybody else will learn anything why a pick is a pick.

    It seems like a lot of people here do not even know the basic rules of soccer or even which league the teams are from, how on earth should they be able to learn how to "fish" 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 7:44 PM ET #181

    I concur that I know -zero- about soccer

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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 8:02 PM ET #182

    Truth is French football has a tendency to be low-scoring and overly tactical. Fertile ground for draws, which is why the draw can sometimes be under +200, where in the Premier League standard draws between two mid-to-low-table sides will be over +210.
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 8:08 PM ET #183

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlsa:


    MM is a good point, but since there is reason attached to each bet, you or anybody else will learn anything why a pick is a pick.

    It seems like a lot of people here do not even know the basic rules of soccer or even which league the teams are from, how on earth should they be able to learn how to "fish" 


    You can't teach someone who is not willing to learn... If they don't know the rules, they could easily find them out. I'm trying to demonstrate some of the things that are "easier said than done" such as good money management and strict betting guides. 

    I'm not missing your point because your point is mute (doesn't matter/has no bearing on me). My point is the point that matters because it affects all of us...

    I'm not trying to sound conceded or cocky because I'm not; it's just the facts. I will do what I want because that is my prerogative, you can equally do what you want but you can't tell me or make me do anything. I can't believe it has gotten to this, shame on you for requesting me to do ANYTHING. Who do you guys think you are? My mother? Get the fuck outta here. Seriously, go tail someone else. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by sahlsa:


    MM is a good point, but since there is reason attached to each bet, you or anybody else will learn anything why a pick is a pick.

    It seems like a lot of people here do not even know the basic rules of soccer or even which league the teams are from, how on earth should they be able to learn how to "fish" 


    You can't teach someone who is not willing to learn... If they don't know the rules, they could easily find them out. I'm trying to demonstrate some of the things that are "easier said than done" such as good money management and strict betting guides. 

    I'm not missing your point because your point is mute (doesn't matter/has no bearing on me). My point is the point that matters because it affects all of us...

    I'm not trying to sound conceded or cocky because I'm not; it's just the facts. I will do what I want because that is my prerogative, you can equally do what you want but you can't tell me or make me do anything. I can't believe it has gotten to this, shame on you for requesting me to do ANYTHING. Who do you guys think you are? My mother? Get the fuck outta here. Seriously, go tail someone else. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 8:20 PM ET #184

    One time I drank soda after eating an apple.

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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 11:28 PM ET #185

    So let's move on. Amen DJ.
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2010 - 11:47 PM ET #186

    Wow!! - Great Day - Congrats 

    Love soccer draws especially

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    Love soccer draws especially

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 12:02 AM ET #187

    Quote Originally Posted by kreatture:

    Very nice, hope you all made some money!

    I passed on the draws but fired away on Novara cuz DJ had it in his other thread, too. Nice easy winner. Thanks for making the last couple days at work less boring for me, HaHa.

    Good Luck on NHL tonight, I'm only on Atlanta. 



    It's weird that you have enough faith in me to tail but you won't respect me enough not to fade me. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by kreatture:

    Very nice, hope you all made some money!

    I passed on the draws but fired away on Novara cuz DJ had it in his other thread, too. Nice easy winner. Thanks for making the last couple days at work less boring for me, HaHa.

    Good Luck on NHL tonight, I'm only on Atlanta. 



    It's weird that you have enough faith in me to tail but you won't respect me enough not to fade me. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 8:21 AM ET #188

    If all days are like that I'll be retiring soon
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 10:43 AM ET #189

    Great day on the hockey picks.  Followed your lead and reaped the rewards.

     

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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 12:00 PM ET #190

    Quote Originally Posted by dj_destroyer:



    It's weird that you have enough faith in me to tail but you won't respect me enough not to fade me. 

    HaHa, nothing to do with it. I was on Atlanta even before I saw your Tampa pick, just like I was on the Rangers the night before when you had the Leafs.

    I do have faith in the soccer picks, I figure it's kinda like the NCAA. There's so many different teams and leagues the linesmakers can't be perfect on all of them, so there's plenty of games to exploit. If you follow the leagues you should be able to pick out some huge edges, which you have been doing.

    Good Work 

    Curious to see who you're backing in the UFC tonight, if you're backing anyone at all. I'm on Brock, and my opinion won't change. Should be fun to watch.

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    It's weird that you have enough faith in me to tail but you won't respect me enough not to fade me. 

    HaHa, nothing to do with it. I was on Atlanta even before I saw your Tampa pick, just like I was on the Rangers the night before when you had the Leafs.

    I do have faith in the soccer picks, I figure it's kinda like the NCAA. There's so many different teams and leagues the linesmakers can't be perfect on all of them, so there's plenty of games to exploit. If you follow the leagues you should be able to pick out some huge edges, which you have been doing.

    Good Work 

    Curious to see who you're backing in the UFC tonight, if you're backing anyone at all. I'm on Brock, and my opinion won't change. Should be fun to watch.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 12:17 PM ET #191

    Quote Originally Posted by dj_destroyer:



    Record: 31-28-0
    Net: +$1237.07
    ROI: +12.84%
    _____________________________ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _

    Blues [-116] 3% -187.11 to win 161.30 
    Flames [+135] 3% -187.11 to win 252.60 
    Lightning [+116] 2% -124.74 to win 144.70 

    Novara [-126] 3% -187.11 to win 148.50 
    Hertha Berlin [-131] 2% -124.74 to win 95.22 
    AC Ajaccio/Tours DRAW [+220] 1% -62.37 to win 137.21 
    Metz/Angers DRAW [+226] 1% -62.37 to win 140.96 
    Reims/Grenoble DRAW [+213] 1% -62.37 to win 132.85 
    Vannes/Boulogne DRAW [+210] 1% -62.37 to win 130.98 
     
     


    Record: 38-30-0
    Bankroll: $7186.58
    Wagered: $10696.45
    Returned: $12883.03
    Net: +$2186.58
    ROI: +20.44%
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    Maryland +4 [-107] 3% -187.50 to win 175.23
    South Carolina -12.5 [-105] 3% -187.50 to win 178.57
    Air Force +18.5 [-107] 3% -187.50 to win 175.23

    Be back later with some more... around 3pm eastern!
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    Record: 31-28-0
    Net: +$1237.07
    ROI: +12.84%
    _____________________________ ______ _____ ____ ___ __ _ _

    Blues [-116] 3% -187.11 to win 161.30 
    Flames [+135] 3% -187.11 to win 252.60 
    Lightning [+116] 2% -124.74 to win 144.70 

    Novara [-126] 3% -187.11 to win 148.50 
    Hertha Berlin [-131] 2% -124.74 to win 95.22 
    AC Ajaccio/Tours DRAW [+220] 1% -62.37 to win 137.21 
    Metz/Angers DRAW [+226] 1% -62.37 to win 140.96 
    Reims/Grenoble DRAW [+213] 1% -62.37 to win 132.85 
    Vannes/Boulogne DRAW [+210] 1% -62.37 to win 130.98 
     
     


    Record: 38-30-0
    Bankroll: $7186.58
    Wagered: $10696.45
    Returned: $12883.03
    Net: +$2186.58
    ROI: +20.44%
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    Maryland +4 [-107] 3% -187.50 to win 175.23
    South Carolina -12.5 [-105] 3% -187.50 to win 178.57
    Air Force +18.5 [-107] 3% -187.50 to win 175.23

    Be back later with some more... around 3pm eastern!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_destroyer:



    Maryland +4 [-107] 3% -187.50 to win 175.23
    South Carolina -12.5 [-105] 3% -187.50 to win 178.57
    Air Force +18.5 [-107] 3% -187.50 to win 175.23

    Be back later with some more... around 3pm eastern!

    I bet all these just on the 1st Half. Maryland +2.5 lookin good! Hope they play as good a 2nd Half for you as well 

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    Maryland +4 [-107] 3% -187.50 to win 175.23
    South Carolina -12.5 [-105] 3% -187.50 to win 178.57
    Air Force +18.5 [-107] 3% -187.50 to win 175.23

    Be back later with some more... around 3pm eastern!

    I bet all these just on the 1st Half. Maryland +2.5 lookin good! Hope they play as good a 2nd Half for you as well 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 2:45 PM ET #193

    Villa Nova [-121] 2% -143.73 to win 118.79
    Valencia -1 [-102] 2% -143.73 to win 140.91

    Penguins [+118] 2% -143.73 to win 169.60
    Predators [+125] 2% -143.73 to win 179.66
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    Villa Nova [-121] 2% -143.73 to win 118.79
    Valencia -1 [-102] 2% -143.73 to win 140.91

    Penguins [+118] 2% -143.73 to win 169.60
    Predators [+125] 2% -143.73 to win 179.66
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 2:48 PM ET #194

    I'm leaning towards Cain by the way... but I'm not making any UFC bets tonight. GL.
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    I'm leaning towards Cain by the way... but I'm not making any UFC bets tonight. GL.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 3:12 PM ET #195

    Lesner pounds his ass
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    Villa Nova [-121] 2% -143.73 to win 118.79

    can't find that anywhere.  can anyone help with the league?

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    Villa Nova [-121] 2% -143.73 to win 118.79

    can't find that anywhere.  can anyone help with the league?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Villa Nova [-121] 2% -143.73 to win 118.79

    can't find that anywhere.  can anyone help with the league?

    Brazil - Serie B

    Starts at 7pm ET.

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    Villa Nova [-121] 2% -143.73 to win 118.79

    can't find that anywhere.  can anyone help with the league?

    Brazil - Serie B

    Starts at 7pm ET.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 3:24 PM ET #198

    Fuck BetUS seriously.
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 5:38 PM ET #199

    Someone brought it up, so, I have to say, I watch a lot of MMA, and I have Cain huge tonite. Also on Roberts and Sanchez (and Kampmann, but I got him at +250, and now he's at +160).
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    Someone brought it up, so, I have to say, I watch a lot of MMA, and I have Cain huge tonite. Also on Roberts and Sanchez (and Kampmann, but I got him at +250, and now he's at +160).
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 6:03 PM ET #200

    Cain is simply not powerful enough to knock out Lesner.  You saw Carwin unable to do it last fight.  Carwin has 5x the power of Cain. Cain will try to take the fight to the ground (that's his only chance of victory), and that's where people underestimate Lesner.  He's incredibly fast on the ground.  He's not some big dumb punk that is immobile.  He has just as much speed as Cain does, and if Cain should happen to slip up and Lesner gets on top?  Game over.

    Lesner in a land slide.

     

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    Cain is simply not powerful enough to knock out Lesner.  You saw Carwin unable to do it last fight.  Carwin has 5x the power of Cain. Cain will try to take the fight to the ground (that's his only chance of victory), and that's where people underestimate Lesner.  He's incredibly fast on the ground.  He's not some big dumb punk that is immobile.  He has just as much speed as Cain does, and if Cain should happen to slip up and Lesner gets on top?  Game over.

    Lesner in a land slide.

     

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