Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: I am not in favor of fighter jets. Too many things could go wrong like straying into Russian or Bellarussian air space which would give Putin the excuse he needs for large scale city bombing and using tactical nuclear weapons. I am in favor of missle defenses though! The more the better! Have to agree there on the planes. Increasing missile defenses though should be a priority in the battle of the skies. biden announces more financial aid to counter international terrorists
An excellent job, opposing international terrorism!
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Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: I am not in favor of fighter jets. Too many things could go wrong like straying into Russian or Bellarussian air space which would give Putin the excuse he needs for large scale city bombing and using tactical nuclear weapons. I am in favor of missle defenses though! The more the better! Have to agree there on the planes. Increasing missile defenses though should be a priority in the battle of the skies. biden announces more financial aid to counter international terrorists
An excellent job, opposing international terrorism!
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: "Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia"--Pres. Joe BidenActually, it very well could be.......but over the USA, not Ukraine. Biden is playing right into Putin's hands.
How so? Would like to hear your take on this.
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Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: "Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia"--Pres. Joe BidenActually, it very well could be.......but over the USA, not Ukraine. Biden is playing right into Putin's hands.
141 countries of United nations vote in favor of Russia leaving Ukraine. 32 countries abstain including China and India. Just Russia and 6 countries vote against resolution.
Historically, most wars end in negotiations. War could end tomorrow if Russia simply stops attacking Ukraine and withdraws its forces. NATO and Ukraine aren't attacking Russia. This is a war chosen by Putin.
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141 countries of United nations vote in favor of Russia leaving Ukraine. 32 countries abstain including China and India. Just Russia and 6 countries vote against resolution.
Historically, most wars end in negotiations. War could end tomorrow if Russia simply stops attacking Ukraine and withdraws its forces. NATO and Ukraine aren't attacking Russia. This is a war chosen by Putin.
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Quote Originally Posted by Europa: "Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia"--Pres. Joe BidenActually, it very well could be.......but over the USA, not Ukraine. Biden is playing right into Putin's hands. How so? Would like to hear your take on this.
We, the USA, just got out of a long stint in Afghanistan where billions were spent & very little accomplished. Putin, with a new regime in place in the US, now decides he wants Ukraine back. The US, predictably, gets involved.......a little at a time. We're now involved to the tune of over $100,000,000,000, after we've had very little time to recover & the current admin. has quashed moral in our military. Putin, who doesn't give a shit about his people or the Ukrainians, would love nothing more than to bleed us dry with another long stint in an unwinnable situation, all the while destroying much of the country.
Think about it. Even if Ukraine prevails in god knows how much time, who do you think is gonna help them rebuild their infrastructure at an incredible cost? If Putin prevails, do you think he's gonna rush in & rebuild that country? With what? Not to mention the ongoing tension that would go on forever between the Ukrainian people & Russians that try to occupy it. Poland is already getting crushed by the weight of over a million refugees that have streamed into the country. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone.......except Putin.
I don't disagree with us supporting Ukraine. They're seeing their country getting destroyed & thousands are getting killed. The the only humane thing to do is help them. But how far can we go?
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Quote Originally Posted by Europa: "Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia"--Pres. Joe BidenActually, it very well could be.......but over the USA, not Ukraine. Biden is playing right into Putin's hands. How so? Would like to hear your take on this.
We, the USA, just got out of a long stint in Afghanistan where billions were spent & very little accomplished. Putin, with a new regime in place in the US, now decides he wants Ukraine back. The US, predictably, gets involved.......a little at a time. We're now involved to the tune of over $100,000,000,000, after we've had very little time to recover & the current admin. has quashed moral in our military. Putin, who doesn't give a shit about his people or the Ukrainians, would love nothing more than to bleed us dry with another long stint in an unwinnable situation, all the while destroying much of the country.
Think about it. Even if Ukraine prevails in god knows how much time, who do you think is gonna help them rebuild their infrastructure at an incredible cost? If Putin prevails, do you think he's gonna rush in & rebuild that country? With what? Not to mention the ongoing tension that would go on forever between the Ukrainian people & Russians that try to occupy it. Poland is already getting crushed by the weight of over a million refugees that have streamed into the country. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone.......except Putin.
I don't disagree with us supporting Ukraine. They're seeing their country getting destroyed & thousands are getting killed. The the only humane thing to do is help them. But how far can we go?
"Putin, with a new regime in place in the US, now decides he wants Ukraine back."
I kinda disagree Mugg.
The Ukraine has had fighting on their eastern side for years. Pro-Russian citizens going at it with Pro-Ukraines. No doubt Putin helped fan the flames, (the US does the same shit throughout the world.) Ukraine backed and supplied the Nazi-fied Azov group. So both sides going at it in "regional skirmishes".
The Ukraine has been and is a corrupt country. Even NATO said they had to clean up the corruption before even being considered. (No wonder Hunter landed there.)
So if your Putin and your neighbor is battling your people living there and then you find out they're going to join NATO and have WMD's pointed at you and at that point anything you (Putin) do to help Russians in Ukraine is now considered attacking a NATO member. That would be unexceptable.
So Biden gets elected, calls Zelensky and the next day all Russian speaking television stations are shutdown. This is before any Russian buildup at the border.
So Putin masses troops in the spring and wants this resolved, he wants Ukraine not to join NATO. He basically gets an FU what'a you going to do about it. Then he invades.
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"Putin, with a new regime in place in the US, now decides he wants Ukraine back."
I kinda disagree Mugg.
The Ukraine has had fighting on their eastern side for years. Pro-Russian citizens going at it with Pro-Ukraines. No doubt Putin helped fan the flames, (the US does the same shit throughout the world.) Ukraine backed and supplied the Nazi-fied Azov group. So both sides going at it in "regional skirmishes".
The Ukraine has been and is a corrupt country. Even NATO said they had to clean up the corruption before even being considered. (No wonder Hunter landed there.)
So if your Putin and your neighbor is battling your people living there and then you find out they're going to join NATO and have WMD's pointed at you and at that point anything you (Putin) do to help Russians in Ukraine is now considered attacking a NATO member. That would be unexceptable.
So Biden gets elected, calls Zelensky and the next day all Russian speaking television stations are shutdown. This is before any Russian buildup at the border.
So Putin masses troops in the spring and wants this resolved, he wants Ukraine not to join NATO. He basically gets an FU what'a you going to do about it. Then he invades.
Find it interesting when Goggling "Biden called Zelensky and the next day Russian speaking television was shut down" and ALL I get is one article from foreign media. Note that Zelensky's popularity was falling fast at the time with a less than 40% approval rating.
Funny how the media points out Russian propaganda and censorship yet reading Wikipeda and most media is like reading Tass.
Find it interesting when Goggling "Biden called Zelensky and the next day Russian speaking television was shut down" and ALL I get is one article from foreign media. Note that Zelensky's popularity was falling fast at the time with a less than 40% approval rating.
Funny how the media points out Russian propaganda and censorship yet reading Wikipeda and most media is like reading Tass.
I admit that I'm ignorant as to most of the history of the border fighting between the two. Supposedly, the corrupt element of Ukraine has been getting rooted out, but to what extent I don't know. Maybe the timing is a coincidence, but it seems like it was perfect for a dictator like Putin to start a battle that he knew we would inevitably get involved in. I just wonder what the actual acceptable end game is for all involved.
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@UNIMAN
I admit that I'm ignorant as to most of the history of the border fighting between the two. Supposedly, the corrupt element of Ukraine has been getting rooted out, but to what extent I don't know. Maybe the timing is a coincidence, but it seems like it was perfect for a dictator like Putin to start a battle that he knew we would inevitably get involved in. I just wonder what the actual acceptable end game is for all involved.
--A once democracy with a two party system is no more, one party dictates the country.
--Thanks to the United States freedom of religon in Ukraine is no more.
--Thanks to the United States freedom of speech in the Ukraine is no more.
--The actions of 2016 have led to 8,000,000 Ukrainian refugees. The United States said they would take a mere 100,000. How many govt paid plane loads of UKRAINIAN refugees to the US have you seen? How many are set up in +$300 a night New York hotels?????
The madness continues.............
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After eight years in Ukraine;
--The United States backed and cheered on a successful insurrection of a duly elected democratic government in 2016.
--A once democracy with a two party system is no more, one party dictates the country.
--Thanks to the United States freedom of religon in Ukraine is no more.
--Thanks to the United States freedom of speech in the Ukraine is no more.
--The actions of 2016 have led to 8,000,000 Ukrainian refugees. The United States said they would take a mere 100,000. How many govt paid plane loads of UKRAINIAN refugees to the US have you seen? How many are set up in +$300 a night New York hotels?????
Zelensky warns the US what will happen if Ukraine loses:
“The US will have to send their sons and daughters exactly the same way as we are sending our sons and daughters to war... because it's NATO that we're talking about, and they will be dying."
So now this POS is threatening American lives.... get FK'D buddy. You'd think this scumbag would be happy with his $100 billion he's sucked off the teet of the US tax payer already but guess not....
You will not survive here. You are not a wolf, and this is the land of wolves now...
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Zelensky warns the US what will happen if Ukraine loses:
“The US will have to send their sons and daughters exactly the same way as we are sending our sons and daughters to war... because it's NATO that we're talking about, and they will be dying."
So now this POS is threatening American lives.... get FK'D buddy. You'd think this scumbag would be happy with his $100 billion he's sucked off the teet of the US tax payer already but guess not....
Putin states to russia that the motherland is at stake. The west will carve up russia and exploit the natural resources.
That this war must be waged as the final stand against the empirical designs of western nations .
China has agreed to send weopoins and personal to support russia. North korea and iran both are now engaged within the wagner group with boots on the ground and drones in the sky...,
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Putin states to russia that the motherland is at stake. The west will carve up russia and exploit the natural resources.
That this war must be waged as the final stand against the empirical designs of western nations .
China has agreed to send weopoins and personal to support russia. North korea and iran both are now engaged within the wagner group with boots on the ground and drones in the sky...,
Zelensky warns the US what will happen if Ukraine loses: “The US will have to send their sons and daughters exactly the same way as we are sending our sons and daughters to war... because it's NATO that we're talking about, and they will be dying." https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1630706019340005376 So now this POS is threatening American lives.... get FK'D buddy. You'd think this scumbag would be happy with his $100 billion he's sucked off the teet of the US tax payer already but guess not....
Reminds me of ww2. History has a habit of repeating itself.
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Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:
Zelensky warns the US what will happen if Ukraine loses: “The US will have to send their sons and daughters exactly the same way as we are sending our sons and daughters to war... because it's NATO that we're talking about, and they will be dying." https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1630706019340005376 So now this POS is threatening American lives.... get FK'D buddy. You'd think this scumbag would be happy with his $100 billion he's sucked off the teet of the US tax payer already but guess not....
Reminds me of ww2. History has a habit of repeating itself.
your personal feelings get in the way of you seeing the light of the real world....you name call many people who you don't agree with, I get it, that is the radical liberal way when you can't intelligently explain your thoughts and feelings in a manner than may contradict something you read or heard..... I don't know who Charlie Kirk is nor do I care but I did see the entire video.
Your buddy Zelensky is saying that if Ukraine falls then NATO will be next which will lead to the US having to defend NATO and then the US having to put troops on the ground which will lead to the death of young Americans.
Yes, I saw all of that. You could have stated the same if you saw the video but you chose not too.....
Get outside and enjoy some of that Florida sunshine. Spend some time with your grandkids, bring some joy into that life of negativity....
You will not survive here. You are not a wolf, and this is the land of wolves now...
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@Midnight1
your personal feelings get in the way of you seeing the light of the real world....you name call many people who you don't agree with, I get it, that is the radical liberal way when you can't intelligently explain your thoughts and feelings in a manner than may contradict something you read or heard..... I don't know who Charlie Kirk is nor do I care but I did see the entire video.
Your buddy Zelensky is saying that if Ukraine falls then NATO will be next which will lead to the US having to defend NATO and then the US having to put troops on the ground which will lead to the death of young Americans.
Yes, I saw all of that. You could have stated the same if you saw the video but you chose not too.....
Get outside and enjoy some of that Florida sunshine. Spend some time with your grandkids, bring some joy into that life of negativity....
Well, now you know Charlie Kirk is a fucktard & you realize he shouldn't be used as a quality source. I was rather polite & set you straight so to speak.
Fishing has been fantastic & so have the MLB exhibition games. Love the new pitch clock rules. Grandkids love getting autographs even from players with uniform #'s like 88 & 92.
We've had some of the best weather in the country.
Life is very good.
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@kcblitzkrieg
Well, now you know Charlie Kirk is a fucktard & you realize he shouldn't be used as a quality source. I was rather polite & set you straight so to speak.
Fishing has been fantastic & so have the MLB exhibition games. Love the new pitch clock rules. Grandkids love getting autographs even from players with uniform #'s like 88 & 92.
We've had some of the best weather in the country.
completely missing my point.... I don't care or have personal feelings for media people on left, right middle or upside down. That video can be seen by literally dozens of different sources. I'll take your word on Chuck being a "fucktard" again, don't care.....I source information from all directions; using logic, critical thinking and intelligence to filter through all the BS and make my owned informed decisions. All walks of media are bought and paid for....it helps knowing "who" owns them in filtering through the cesspool.
Fishing....you've got my attention.....in shore or off ???
You will not survive here. You are not a wolf, and this is the land of wolves now...
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@Midnight1
you set me straight alright
completely missing my point.... I don't care or have personal feelings for media people on left, right middle or upside down. That video can be seen by literally dozens of different sources. I'll take your word on Chuck being a "fucktard" again, don't care.....I source information from all directions; using logic, critical thinking and intelligence to filter through all the BS and make my owned informed decisions. All walks of media are bought and paid for....it helps knowing "who" owns them in filtering through the cesspool.
Fishing....you've got my attention.....in shore or off ???
Yea, I've lost faith in the media as well. However, if we didn't have them who would expose the corrupt scumbags influencing our lives. Lost faith in the FBI, Justice Dept. & the Supreme court too.
This war has gone on way too long & I caught some shit in here calling for a comrade to punch Putin's ticket. I still believe that would bring an abrupt end to this craziness.
Offshore fishing....the ocean has been calm & either you fish the reefs or you look for floating debris & birds hanging around weed lines. We normally fish during the week because there are too many yahoos on the water during the weekend who make it dangerous at times. Went for sailfish Monday & came up empty. Got some excitement when a barracuda attacked our live goggle eye about 50 feet behind the boat but he got off. Funny thing is my wife & I don't eat fish. When we catch something of quality like mahi or swordfish, we give it to neighbors. Otherwise, it's catch/release for us.
Staying off the water nest week because we'll be inundated with Spring Break kids & the NCCA BB tournaments will be in full swing.
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@kcblitzkrieg
Yea, I've lost faith in the media as well. However, if we didn't have them who would expose the corrupt scumbags influencing our lives. Lost faith in the FBI, Justice Dept. & the Supreme court too.
This war has gone on way too long & I caught some shit in here calling for a comrade to punch Putin's ticket. I still believe that would bring an abrupt end to this craziness.
Offshore fishing....the ocean has been calm & either you fish the reefs or you look for floating debris & birds hanging around weed lines. We normally fish during the week because there are too many yahoos on the water during the weekend who make it dangerous at times. Went for sailfish Monday & came up empty. Got some excitement when a barracuda attacked our live goggle eye about 50 feet behind the boat but he got off. Funny thing is my wife & I don't eat fish. When we catch something of quality like mahi or swordfish, we give it to neighbors. Otherwise, it's catch/release for us.
Staying off the water nest week because we'll be inundated with Spring Break kids & the NCCA BB tournaments will be in full swing.
Yeah I hear you, we need more journalists, investigative reporters, human beings concerned with the truth and getting the facts out there. Those people are a dying breed and the financial reality of the current main stream media is a big part of the problem. The recent rise of independent journalists is no coincidence.
The beauty of the East coast is that you can get offshore in a hurry and hit those reefs.....the opposite of my side where it takes at least an hour out in the Gulf to get to the good spots. Not much offshore for me but inshore is always a treat....Monday is usually my offseason day, no weekends....and catch & release myself...a bad day fishing beats any day working
You will not survive here. You are not a wolf, and this is the land of wolves now...
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@Midnight1
Yeah I hear you, we need more journalists, investigative reporters, human beings concerned with the truth and getting the facts out there. Those people are a dying breed and the financial reality of the current main stream media is a big part of the problem. The recent rise of independent journalists is no coincidence.
The beauty of the East coast is that you can get offshore in a hurry and hit those reefs.....the opposite of my side where it takes at least an hour out in the Gulf to get to the good spots. Not much offshore for me but inshore is always a treat....Monday is usually my offseason day, no weekends....and catch & release myself...a bad day fishing beats any day working
Good news for Ukraine, Estonian Prime Mister Kaja Kallas' the Reform Party has won the majority in Sunday's parliamentary election. Under Prime Minster Kallas, Estonia is one of the most staunchly governments to support Kyiv.*
"Russia must not win this war."--Estonian Prime Mister Kaja Kallas
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Good news for Ukraine, Estonian Prime Mister Kaja Kallas' the Reform Party has won the majority in Sunday's parliamentary election. Under Prime Minster Kallas, Estonia is one of the most staunchly governments to support Kyiv.*
I know our commie sympathizer right wing party is all about defending russia these days...with their fearless leader The traitor being pals with putin and all...
However german manufacturer is now discussing plans to open leopard tank manufacturing plant in ukraine...
Source. From CNN's Stephanie Halasz and Inke Kappeler
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I know our commie sympathizer right wing party is all about defending russia these days...with their fearless leader The traitor being pals with putin and all...
However german manufacturer is now discussing plans to open leopard tank manufacturing plant in ukraine...
Source. From CNN's Stephanie Halasz and Inke Kappeler
This is before any Russian buildup at the border.
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