Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: Ukraini didn't "start the war".....that was the US State Department..... they enabled it, might as well sent Vlad a nice invitation card in the process Russian propaganda cannot be trusted. Ukraine parliament legally removed corrupt president in no confidence vote after shooting of protesters. Not coup by CIA or protesters. Aggressor Russia has long meddled in Ukraine politics with history of invading neighbors. Problem is Russians believe Ukraine is part of Russia. Former soviet countries join NATO because of fear of Russia.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg: Ukraini didn't "start the war".....that was the US State Department..... they enabled it, might as well sent Vlad a nice invitation card in the process Russian propaganda cannot be trusted. Ukraine parliament legally removed corrupt president in no confidence vote after shooting of protesters. Not coup by CIA or protesters. Aggressor Russia has long meddled in Ukraine politics with history of invading neighbors. Problem is Russians believe Ukraine is part of Russia. Former soviet countries join NATO because of fear of Russia.
Ukraine is your “ally” - you are the reason Ukraine doesn’t have nuclear weapons - because you told them you would protect them in case of a conflict if they destroyed their weapons - so yes it is your responsibility - yes it is your fault - and Europe ends up paying the bill -
If Ukraine kept nuclear weapons, Russian invasion would be less probable. Putin favors attacking weak countries. Not members of NATO. History shows NATO expansion helped to curb Russia imperial ambitions. Russia has not invaded former soviet countries that joined NATO. Historically, NATO is the most successful defensive alliance in maintaining peace. This is opposite of Putin lies misrepresenting NATO as a threat. Perhaps, no war if Ukraine had been allowed to join NATO years ago?
Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:
Ukraine is your “ally” - you are the reason Ukraine doesn’t have nuclear weapons - because you told them you would protect them in case of a conflict if they destroyed their weapons - so yes it is your responsibility - yes it is your fault - and Europe ends up paying the bill -
If Ukraine kept nuclear weapons, Russian invasion would be less probable. Putin favors attacking weak countries. Not members of NATO. History shows NATO expansion helped to curb Russia imperial ambitions. Russia has not invaded former soviet countries that joined NATO. Historically, NATO is the most successful defensive alliance in maintaining peace. This is opposite of Putin lies misrepresenting NATO as a threat. Perhaps, no war if Ukraine had been allowed to join NATO years ago?
Russian propaganda cannot be trusted. Ukraine parliament legally removed corrupt president in no confidence vote after shooting of protesters. Not coup by CIA or protesters. Aggressor Russia has long meddled in Ukraine politics with history of invading neighbors. Problem is Russians believe Ukraine is part of Russia. Former soviet countries join NATO because of fear of Russia.
I'm glad you brought this up Third, good job
I was of course referring to Biden's State Department......NOT Obamas. But since you brought it up..... yes, the Vassal state of Ukraine was established post 2014. Glad we agree on this
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Russian propaganda cannot be trusted. Ukraine parliament legally removed corrupt president in no confidence vote after shooting of protesters. Not coup by CIA or protesters. Aggressor Russia has long meddled in Ukraine politics with history of invading neighbors. Problem is Russians believe Ukraine is part of Russia. Former soviet countries join NATO because of fear of Russia.
I'm glad you brought this up Third, good job
I was of course referring to Biden's State Department......NOT Obamas. But since you brought it up..... yes, the Vassal state of Ukraine was established post 2014. Glad we agree on this