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bunny651

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 6:13 PM ET #51

Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

be careful with that, Libertarian is what the Republicans who are embarrassed to call themselves Republicans are calling themselves now, you know, because of the nutjob factor.

Is that a one step up or down from RINO?

bunny651

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 6:32 PM ET #52

I believe there are at least two groups of illegals, one is well-established in here already and the other isn't. People need to realize the difference and find a workable/practical solution instead of just hanging on their ideology. I am tired of paying their bills.

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 7:04 PM ET #53

Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

I believe there are at least two groups of illegals, one is well-established in here already and the other isn't. People need to realize the difference and find a workable/practical solution instead of just hanging on their ideology. I am tired of paying their bills.

refreshing to see some common sense in here once in awhile

I_Need_A_Detox

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 7:29 PM ET #54

Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:

refreshing to see some common sense in here once in awhile

Yes, let's locate, investigate and interview 11,000,000 people. It will be black and white who should stay and who shouldn't.

Problem solved.

bunny651

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 7:36 PM ET #55

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Yes, let's locate, investigate and interview 11,000,000 people. It will be black and white who should stay and who shouldn't.

Problem solved.

I like it how you always use extremism to illustrate you point. How about no question asked, just hand the green card out as long as a person wants it.

Problem solved

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 7:50 PM ET #56

Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

GWB $64B commitment to AIDS in Africa. Like this is my problem...

The billions of foreign aid distributed to Pakistan, the Palestinians, Egypt & Israel every year - forever... Cut it all off.

Rebuilding Afghanistan after annihilating the Taliban. No rebuild, just kill the bad guys and leave it at that. Why make it an incentive to go to war with the U.S.?

Currently, the Ebola issue. Not our problem, keep it in Africa. If private interests feel the need to go to Africa and help, good for them. Not $1 of tax money.

A pack of matches taken to Rolling Stone (do I have to draw you a picture?) It's a liberal rag of a publication...

Why mention Bush regarding the debt? Obama doubled the debt in 6 years. I disagree with both, and both are liberal problems - not being financially responsible is not a conservative value. STOP SPENDING MONEY WE DON'T HAVE. I give Bush a little bit of leeway, he was dealt 911 & Katrina. Would you agree with that?

There's a lot of misguided thoughts in this post.

Bush was dealt 9/11 and Katrina? Obama was dealt the worst economy since the Great Depression, a quagmire in the Middle East and a war in Afghanistan.

Bush doubled the national debt to accomplish that.

You think what's going on in Afghanistan is an incentive to go to war with the US? You obviously don't know much.

Any respected medical professional says the best way to protect americans against Ebola is to treat Ebola at ground zero. What part of that do you not understand?

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 7:52 PM ET #57

Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

I like it how you always use extremism to illustrate you point. How about no question asked, just hand the green card out as long as a person wants it.

Problem solved

Yes.. Hand out the green cards and secure the border.

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 7:58 PM ET #58

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Yes.. Hand out the green cards and secure the border.

For starter, I don't like to give a green card to a hardcore criminal no matter how small the number you think it is. No, you can't help securing the border by giving them out like candies.

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 8:01 PM ET #59

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Yes, let's locate, investigate and interview 11,000,000 people. It will be black and white who should stay and who shouldn't.

Problem solved.

Statements like the above illustrate just how limited your grasp and understanding of the situation really is.

If only the world were as black and white as you eagerly paint it, I get why you do that, it makes being a nutjob extremist so much easier to justify...unfortunately for you, it is also the penultimate sign of limited intellect and reasoning abilities...

You are a rightwinger's long lost twin. Two peas in a pod. Way more in common than you would ever admit...

I_Need_A_Detox

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 8:03 PM ET #60

Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:

Statements like the above illustrate just how limited your grasp and understanding of the situation really is.

You are a rightwinger's long lost twin. Two peas in a pod. Way more in common than you would ever admit...

I_Need_A_Detox

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 8:07 PM ET #61

Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

For starter, I don't like to give a green card to a hardcore criminal no matter how small the number you think it is. No, you can't help securing the border by giving them out like candies.

I didn't say the border will be secure if we make everyone legal. I said we should make everyone legal AND secure the border.

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 8:10 PM ET #62

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

I didn't say the border will be secure if we make everyone legal. I said we should make everyone legal AND secure the border.

That still didn't answer my other concern.

I_Need_A_Detox

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 8:15 PM ET #63

Quote Originally Posted by bunny651:

That still didn't answer my other concern.

Get the hardcore criminal on the books so we can begin to track them. If they have two or more tattoos on their face .. Deport them.

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 8:22 PM ET #64

Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

Well that's probably the best answer I'll get from you on one of my questions. Now try and answer the rest. Since you have all the answers you should have no problem answering the rest. I'll try to make it simple for you. You appear to be in favor of deportation so how much would it cost? And what guarantee is there that some would not return.

Hes trying... lets give him credit... omitted answering all your questions... but it was better than the usual incoherent insecure garbage...

I think when you talk costs you're gonna have problems with people that are used to blank checks... plus when you talk "return" it gets into an investment mentality... another weak point for him...

maybe you could give him some easier questions rather than asking him things that are above his level resulting in him having to take his anger out on another thread

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 8:24 PM ET #65

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Get the hardcore criminal on the books so we can begin to track them. If they have two or more tattoos on their face .. Deport them.

Some of them are and that's why we need a screening process. Btw, the border doesn't close by itself for us to secure it so it has to be a cut-off point. Lets take care the ones that have been here forever and been staying out of troubles.

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 10:03 PM ET #66

"maybe you could give him some easier questions rather than asking him things that are above his level resulting in him having to take his anger out on another thread".

This has been tried with you and it doesn't work.

dl36

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 10:15 PM ET #67

huh?

What does this have to do with you?

I was praising espalande in that post for his effort and I dont think he would say he needs your help with a "bail out"

please access your un-psycho-stalker side... like just try it... just humor us...

SarasotaSlim

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2014 - 10:29 PM ET #68

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Yes, let's locate, investigate and interview 11,000,000 people. It will be black and white who should stay and who shouldn't.

Problem solved.

That's not who we are ...That's not who we are as Americans.

Raiders22

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Posted: Dec. 9, 2014 - 8:50 AM ET #69

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

I know plenty on the right that claim it.

Name them, with that exact quote. I have never heard a single one say that. Not one at any time at all.

Raiders22

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Posted: Dec. 9, 2014 - 8:56 AM ET #70

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Well that's silly. Who cares about that heat?

I agree with you. Not exactly the kind I would worry about.

Raiders22

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Posted: Dec. 9, 2014 - 8:59 AM ET #71

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

What have republican politicians done about the border besides whine? Republicans had everyone in place not too long ago.

The current ones---nothing. Talking about before them. And again the folks have to have the fortitude. Try to stay caught up on this issue. Makes it easier.

bunny651

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Posted: Dec. 9, 2014 - 9:03 AM ET #72

Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

I know plenty on the right that claim it.

You are correct but lets just stick to the issue on hand.

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Posted: Dec. 9, 2014 - 9:05 AM ET #73

Nearly all economists agree that immigration (legal or not) benefits overall economy. Contrary to fears among Americans, immigration reforms by Republican and Democrat Presidents are good for the economy.

So improving innovation and global exports would do more to fix U.S. economy than disrupting industries by deporting millions of illegal immigrants at tremendous cost.

Raiders22

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Posted: Dec. 9, 2014 - 9:12 AM ET #74

Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

I lean left. I've said before that I feel I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative . Sort of makes me a libertarian I guess?

Don't know your stances as much as his. But there is more to it than 'socially liberal and fiscally conservative'. This is used as a copout to me. It is mostly a catchphrase. Just to be fiscally conservative doesn't make you anything more than someone with common sense. Libertarians actually have stances on lots of issues. They tend to be more to the right. Independents almost always lean left, and very hard.

What are your stances on other issues besides fiscal issues? And besides just saying socially liberal? That just is more of--- if it doesn't hurt anyone else, we could care less what you do, etc.

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Posted: Dec. 9, 2014 - 9:22 AM ET #75

Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

Bring back "Operation Aquaback".....

In six weeks over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states (California and Arizona). Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

In Texas 80,000 were taken into custody and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left voluntarily.

Illegal aliens caught in the roundup were not simply released at the border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, aliens were taken deep within Mexico before being set free.

" I LIKE IKE "..................

Exactly as I have said in here many times. Also, it was not an easy plane ride deep in Mexico. It was arduous train or boat trip.

Couple that with more secure border and huge fines and jail time for knowingly hiring them. And of course threaten prosecution for illegals that are caught.

As far as price----who cares?? We can put people to work---returning military. We can quit spending on things that have no concern to our citizens. Not sure it will cost nearly as much as people think---once a lot self-deport. Apparently cost is not a factor to either party on anything anyway.

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