Obama prisoner exchange for Bergdahl

Oh, brother, Wow… that’s stupid. Let me see… the president thought… Hey, guys I’ve got a plan. Let’s throw logic out the damn window and let five terrorists go free to commit terrorist acts so I can get the military to love me.

SMH, my eyes are burning... unbelievable

A little more logical than your 007/ jack Bauer Bull$hit.


But you know some beat cop, so I am sure you know more than we do. Lol

Red Eyes ...listen and learn.

The Swap was only the latest in a series of PR events staged by Obama and the Obama administration since it was reviled that Vets were dying because of a Veterans waiting list and that records were falsified to hide the facts.

Try to follow the sequence of events ..

1.) Obama's chief of staff went on TV say the president was "madder than hell" about the scandal and would get to the bottom of it.

2.) Five days later, on the Friday before the Memorial Day weekend, and attention on veterans saturating the news media, Obama held a news conference and VOWED  "Anybody found to have manipulated or falsified records at VA facilities has to be held accountable."

3.)The next day, a Saturday, in an apparent effort to shift attention to something more positive with regard to veterans, Obama stepped into the Rose Garden to announce  that the U.S. combat role in Afghanistan would end this year. Such announcements are rarely made on Saturdays, signaling White House worry about the VA scandal.

4.) On Sunday, Obama made a surprise visit to Afghanistan where he was photographed surrounded by cheering American troops.

Oh-Bama Oh-bama

5.)The next day, Memorial Day, the president used his traditional speech at Arlington Cemetery to reiterate  that the war in Afghanistan is coming to an end. More photos in the midst of veterans and their families.

6) A day later, he was off to West Point . And again, surrounded by uniformed military, Obama delivered a commencement speechthat outlined his revised foreign policy. It was widely panned for being rambling and incoherent.

7.) He followed that up last Saturday with what the PR gurus must have thought was a stroke of genius. Obama announced , again in the Rose Garden, that he secured the freedom of the only U.S. soldier held by the Taliban in exchange for five high-level Taliban terrorists held at Guantanamo.

With the soldier's parents beside him, it made good first-day headlines and pictures....sourcing from USA Today..

Now even you Money... are smart enough to see how the Swap was just another PR move to put Obama in good light with the Americans in general and the Military men /women and their families in particular...and skipping Congress to do this.. to give all the credit for securing the release to Barack Obama hmmmmm hmmm hmmm.

Slim---you sure seeing some conspiracy there I think.   I feel you giving this administration heap of deep-thinking and planning.  You seen a lot of that thus far on other issues or just now they getting their act together on how to do this?

John Kerry just talked to CNN's Elise Labott…

LABOTT:  I mean, tell me about that. And on a scale of one to 10, 10 being the most confident, how confident are you that the Qataris are going to be able to keep a close eye on these guys?

KERRY: Well, they're not the only ones keeping an eye on them.

LABOTT: The U.S. is going to be monitoring them?

KERRY: I'm just telling you they aren't the only ones keeping an eye on them. And we have confidence in those requirements. And if they're violated, then we have ability to be able to do things. I'm not...

LABOTT: What kind of things?

KERRY: I'm not - Elise, I'm not telling you that they don't have some ability at some point to go back and get involved. But they also have an ability to get killed doing that. And I don't think anybody should doubt the capacity of the United States of America to protect Americans, nobody.

LABOTT: Meaning you would kill them?

KERRY: No one should doubt the capacity of America to protect Americans.

And the president has always said he will do whatever is necessary in order to protect the United States of America. So, these guys pick a fight with us in the future or now or at any time at enormous risk. And we have proven what we're capable of doing with al Qaeda - let me just finish - with al Qaeda, the core al Qaeda in West Pakistan, Afghanistan.


... Only a naive idiot would believe that the NSA and the president of the freaking United States would risk thousands of innocent lives for a stupid PR stunt. The US military command center is watching those five terrorists...

In an interview recorded in France and aired on CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday, Secretary of State John Kerry said
in regards to questions relating to Bergdahl's disappearance"there is plenty of time to sort through what happened now that Bergdahl is safe from enemy hands."

When asked questions relating to Bergdahl's disappearance – Kerry said there is plenty of time to sort through what happened now that Bergdahl is safe from enemy hands.

It would have been, he said, "offensive and incomprehensible to consciously leave an American behind … in the hands of people who would torture him, cut off his head." cut off his ears, tape wires from portable telephones to his genitals and turn up the power, cut off limbs, in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan....

Well... which is it?

#1. Obama did an honorable thing for an American soldier and his family?

Or

#2. The NSA and the president executed an illegal rouge operation for PR purposes and naively let five dangerous terrorists walk free with no consideration of the consequences to close GITMO for Obama’s legacy?


... I believe the NSA and the president of the United States devised a plan of action. Bring the soldier home to own up to his actions and keep a REALLY close eye on him. Let the five terrorists go and gather intelligence on them… kill’em when the time comes...

None of the above ..it's the last paragraph #53..

Wait awhile and it will come out that millions of $$$$ were given to the Haqqani Network to take these washed up fmr.commanders ...they were offered these same 5 ..a year and a half ago for Bergdahl and they didn't take the trade..they don't need or want them ..what they do need and want is money ...and I believe they got it this time..

I think that the U.S. trust the Qataris too much.

I think that we would drone them if the re-enter the fight, I never said we wouldn't, that is plausible.

I do not however, believe that they were let go to get higher ups.

I love the fact that you lefties actually believe a government that can't even keep it's vets in good health with reasonable medical appointments is shrewd enough to let 5 Taliban leaders to go a country that is more or less sympathetic and likely supportive of their ideology and we have some upper hand in this situation.

SS, Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? That would be number 2. LOL!

First you say it was a PR stunt. Then, you go and post Kerry’s position on Bergdahl on post #56 to try and show that the president naively accepted the trade for honorable reasons with no consideration of the possible consequences. Now, you say, again, that it was a PR stunt but answer none of the above. LOL!

Rick, the president is either naive or he's not. Stop waffling on your position. The president did this to get higher ups or to just to kill as many terrorists as possible. I don't see how it makes a difference.

All I know is this was a devised plan. I’m not an Obama supporter, but I respect the president enough to know it wasn’t a stupid PR stunt.

Killer_B, who are the lefties on covers? The only one that I’m aware of is Don Juan.

Anyone that defends this administration on its countless acts of b.s. is a lefty. They know who they are, they support every move he's made. This trade is indefensible if the facts are what they appear to be. His teammates seem a million more times honorable than Susan Rice & the gang behind her. 

"The future is too good to waste on lies," Bowe wrote. "And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting."

The e-mail went on to list a series of complaints: Three good sergeants, Bowe said, had been forced to move to another company, and "one of the biggest garbage bags is being put in charge of the team." His battalion commander was a "conceited old fool." The military system itself was broken: "In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing garbage bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong. I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools." The soldiers he actually admired were planning on leaving: "The US army is the biggest joke the world has to laugh at. It is the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies. The few good SGTs are getting out as soon as they can, and they are telling us privates to do the same."

In the second-to-last paragraph of the e-mail, Bowe wrote about his broader disgust with America's approach to the war--an effort, on the ground, that seemed to represent the exact opposite of the kind of concerted campaign to win the "hearts and minds" of average Afghans envisioned by counterinsurgency strategists. "I am sorry for everything here," Bowe told his parents. "These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live." He then referred to what his parents believe may have been a formative, possibly traumatic event: seeing an Afghan child run over by an MRAP. "We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them."

Bowe concluded his e-mail with what, in another context, might read as a suicide note. "I am sorry for everything," he wrote. "The horror that is america is disgusting."

It's beyond me Killer_B... how the lefties in this forum like SHR can portray this lop-sided swap....five dangerous Taliban commanders for one deserter and apparent Taliban sympathizer as a Obama foreign-affairs triumph.....lol

With all these Obama nut suckers ..he's assured that his approval rating will never fall below 40%...no matter what he does ..

................... ROLF

SS, PR stunt and scandal diversion are the same sh!t, SMH. You’re saying Obama naively put the way people view him and his administration ahead of the safety and security of others for a stupid PR stunt.

You’re right, I did say that. My temper isn’t what it used to be. My tolerance for bullsh!t is at ZERO. I see bullsh!t… and I call it, as soon as I see it, now… with no restraint. I used to believe in civil discourse.

I don’t really believe in civil discourse anymore. My admiration of Thaddeus Stevens has overcome me. I have become more of a high-handed and forthright person since then.

I’m not in a pinch. I feel very… very comfortable with my position.

I’m not a liberal. Liberals are timid, soft spoken and want civil discourse because yelling scares them. I’m angry, assertive, forthright, and heavy-handed like a radical republican.

Where's DJbrow, Dirt & DJ? All in the hate Fox News thread I suppose. Still waiting for some comments to the challenge I laid out. It's Susan Rice vs. the deserters squad. The truth has a certain ring to it and I'll be damn if his teammates aren't telling the truth here... If we didn't have a hyphenated president, he'd be up for impeachment for several acts during this circus of a presidency...

As it turns out everyone was wrong. Chuck Hagel made the call.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653672/Now-White-House-says-Hagel-final-call-Bergdahl-criticism-Obama-prisoner-swap-mounts.html

In totally unrelated news, Bo, the White House Dog, is taking the blame for "Cash for Clunkers"

It wasn't me .... President Hagel made the call ..

    Chuckie did it !

Some poster above made a comment stating 'as the facts appear to be' meaning that poster, nor I, know the facts of this case.

If the facts come out that Bowe was a terrorist and the administration knew this, of course I would not support it.

If the facts come out that he was a deserter, that is a much different scenario. I am not a fan of leaving behind any American to die if we have the ability to prevent it.

So I guess it is too early for me to conclude one way or another. In fact the only factual comment I made upon this is it illustrates the hypocrisy of politics.

If a Republican was President, he would be supported by the same posters/people attacking Obama and attacked by the same people/posters defending Obama.

The funny thing is when I made this comment, the right wingers in this thread (as you will do) all fell into the same trap and (gasp) attacked Obama and defended Republicans.

Hook, line, sinker my friend.

Obama first learned about the swap deal from the media...

Looks like the Obama administration is at odds about who made the final call....

Hagel himself said on Meet the Press on June 1. "I signed off on the decision," Hagel said. "The president made the ultimate decision."

Breaking !!!

CNN) -- A memorandum of understanding between the United States and Qatar on the deal that freed Bowe Bergdahl offered "no guarantee" that the five Taliban commanders exchanged for the captured Army sergeant would be tracked, a Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee told CNN.

Rep. Adam Schiff ( D-CA )reviewed the agreement and said, based on his reading, that it is possible the former U.S. detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, "might disappear even during the first year in Qatar.

Two days ago SoS Johm Kerry told CNN the men were also being closed monitored by the US, which had "the ability to do things" if the terms of the arrangement with Qatar were violated. Although he did not overtly refer to drone strikes, he said the five men would be liable to be killed by the US if they returned to the ranks of the Taliban....

 Baloney,,John

$$ saw you mentioned Dave Chapelle somewhere in your posts, want to give you heads up he'll be on Tonight show with Jimmy Fallon Friday night........and I hope your premise is right..track these no good MFers