Posted:
#26
obama ball washers outdoing themselves here. Nothing but a traitor.
Obama prisoner exchange for Bergdahl
Posted:
#27
Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
Money may be wrong about some things, but I would not at all be shocked if he is close to correct on this one. It does make sense objectively.
Money may be wrong about some things, but I would not at all be shocked if he is close to correct on this one. It does make sense objectively.
I hope so. But I am sure they know where lotta training compounds and high-ranking guys are already. What are they gonna do...just watch them? I still think we give these guys too much credit for thinking ahead and planning at this level; they have proven many times over that they are not.
Posted:
#28
Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
Money may be wrong about some things, but I would not at all be shocked if he is close to correct on this one. It does make sense objectively.
An associate of mine was a member of a law enforcement Strike Force team. He told me about how the government authorized the release of a few small time punk drug dealers so they could follow them to find the kingpin and bring down the network. He told me that his team brought down the entire organization. It was a three year long investigation. Law enforcement has been doing this since the 80s. Money may be wrong about some things, but I would not at all be shocked if he is close to correct on this one. It does make sense objectively.
Posted:
#30
Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
Yeah, everyone knows that game. It has been going on a lot longer than the 80's lol. It is absolutely not what is happening here.
The OCDETF didn’t exist until 1982.Yeah, everyone knows that game. It has been going on a lot longer than the 80's lol. It is absolutely not what is happening here.
OK, tell me what’s happening here?
Obama cut a secret back door deal, LOL!
Obama pretends to be a Christin but is secretly a Muslim, LOL!
Obama did this as a symbolic gesture to his Muslim friends and the Muslim world, LOL!
Obama is declaring surrender, LOL!
Obama is bowing to his Muslim bosses, LOL!
Obama is secretly a Muslim sympathizer, LOL!
Obama did this because no solider is left behind, LOL!
Obama naively let five terrorists go because he thought they were fit to return to normal life and would no longer participate in terrorist acts, LOL!
Posted:
#31
Well, to begin with the act of letting small criminals go to catch larger criminals, or "flipping an asset" is about as old as organized nations, "trade-craft" and probably pre-dates written history.
I honestly do not know what is going on here, but the fact that the intelligence committees and services had no prior knowledge to this trade makes me believe that this is a rogue operation by the admin. It is not so overtly illegal that he should be impeached, but it is kind of a foolhardy thing to do.
I believe that there are a few things behind this.
None of which is secret muslim BS, I never put any stock into that ridiculousness.
-VA scandal, Benghazi, F+F etc. I think that this adminstration foolishly saw this as a slam dunk win, to tout at the rose garden about "never leaving a troop behind". Trotting out the "hired liars" to call him a hero, someone who "served with distinction" makes this look like it was almost a failed PR campaign, and I think there is a lot of that in this.
-Getting rid of the worst people in Gitmo, will make it easy to shut the place down. I think this administration thought that they could sneak this one by the country at large, because of the desperate need for a "win" not only by liberals, but a war weary country who love to be reminded of the heroism of their soldiers etc. Obama wants to shut down GITMO for his legacy, offloading the worst prisoners in vaguely legitimate trades makes it easier.
-Believing that Qatar is going to be an honest partner in tracking these guys is a joke, the Qatari government has already made that clear. It is also funny how the media blackout of Bergdhal is blowing up in this admin's face as well. Having the G-Damn Taliban release video of the exchange would be hillarious if it wasn't so sad. Our govt refuses to comment, and keeps a lot of the "evidence" that he was sick and of the particulars of his service/ desertion sealed. They are very tight lipped, and where there is secrecy there is lies in cases like this.
I wish I could believe that this was part of some high speed operation, but logic tells me that it is not. It is just a sad excuse for Public Relations and Political Theater. It was a serious misjudgement on the administration's part, and they completely misred how the public would view this.
I honestly do not know what is going on here, but the fact that the intelligence committees and services had no prior knowledge to this trade makes me believe that this is a rogue operation by the admin. It is not so overtly illegal that he should be impeached, but it is kind of a foolhardy thing to do.
I believe that there are a few things behind this.
None of which is secret muslim BS, I never put any stock into that ridiculousness.
-VA scandal, Benghazi, F+F etc. I think that this adminstration foolishly saw this as a slam dunk win, to tout at the rose garden about "never leaving a troop behind". Trotting out the "hired liars" to call him a hero, someone who "served with distinction" makes this look like it was almost a failed PR campaign, and I think there is a lot of that in this.
-Getting rid of the worst people in Gitmo, will make it easy to shut the place down. I think this administration thought that they could sneak this one by the country at large, because of the desperate need for a "win" not only by liberals, but a war weary country who love to be reminded of the heroism of their soldiers etc. Obama wants to shut down GITMO for his legacy, offloading the worst prisoners in vaguely legitimate trades makes it easier.
-Believing that Qatar is going to be an honest partner in tracking these guys is a joke, the Qatari government has already made that clear. It is also funny how the media blackout of Bergdhal is blowing up in this admin's face as well. Having the G-Damn Taliban release video of the exchange would be hillarious if it wasn't so sad. Our govt refuses to comment, and keeps a lot of the "evidence" that he was sick and of the particulars of his service/ desertion sealed. They are very tight lipped, and where there is secrecy there is lies in cases like this.
I wish I could believe that this was part of some high speed operation, but logic tells me that it is not. It is just a sad excuse for Public Relations and Political Theater. It was a serious misjudgement on the administration's part, and they completely misred how the public would view this.
Posted:
#32
Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
Well, to begin with the act of letting small criminals go to catch larger criminals, or "flipping an asset" is about as old as organized nations, "trade-craft" and probably pre-dates written history.
I honestly do not know what is going on here, but the fact that the intelligence committees and services had no prior knowledge to this trade makes me believe that this is a rogue operation by the admin. It is not so overtly illegal that he should be impeached, but it is kind of a foolhardy thing to do.
I believe that there are a few things behind this.
None of which is secret muslim BS, I never put any stock into that ridiculousness.
-VA scandal, Benghazi, F+F etc. I think that this adminstration foolishly saw this as a slam dunk win, to tout at the rose garden about "never leaving a troop behind". Trotting out the "hired liars" to call him a hero, someone who "served with distinction" makes this look like it was almost a failed PR campaign, and I think there is a lot of that in this.
-Getting rid of the worst people in Gitmo, will make it easy to shut the place down. I think this administration thought that they could sneak this one by the country at large, because of the desperate need for a "win" not only by liberals, but a war weary country who love to be reminded of the heroism of their soldiers etc. Obama wants to shut down GITMO for his legacy, offloading the worst prisoners in vaguely legitimate trades makes it easier.
-Believing that Qatar is going to be an honest partner in tracking these guys is a joke, the Qatari government has already made that clear. It is also funny how the media blackout of Bergdhal is blowing up in this admin's face as well. Having the G-Damn Taliban release video of the exchange would be hillarious if it wasn't so sad. Our govt refuses to comment, and keeps a lot of the "evidence" that he was sick and of the particulars of his service/ desertion sealed. They are very tight lipped, and where there is secrecy there is lies in cases like this.
I wish I could believe that this was part of some high speed operation, but logic tells me that it is not. It is just a sad excuse for Public Relations and Political Theater. It was a serious misjudgement on the administration's part, and they completely misred how the public would view this.
Your theory is that Obama and his administration executed an illegal rouge operation for PR purposes and naively let five dangerous terrorists walk free with no consideration of the consequences so they could close GITMO for Obama’s legacy. Well, to begin with the act of letting small criminals go to catch larger criminals, or "flipping an asset" is about as old as organized nations, "trade-craft" and probably pre-dates written history.
I honestly do not know what is going on here, but the fact that the intelligence committees and services had no prior knowledge to this trade makes me believe that this is a rogue operation by the admin. It is not so overtly illegal that he should be impeached, but it is kind of a foolhardy thing to do.
I believe that there are a few things behind this.
None of which is secret muslim BS, I never put any stock into that ridiculousness.
-VA scandal, Benghazi, F+F etc. I think that this adminstration foolishly saw this as a slam dunk win, to tout at the rose garden about "never leaving a troop behind". Trotting out the "hired liars" to call him a hero, someone who "served with distinction" makes this look like it was almost a failed PR campaign, and I think there is a lot of that in this.
-Getting rid of the worst people in Gitmo, will make it easy to shut the place down. I think this administration thought that they could sneak this one by the country at large, because of the desperate need for a "win" not only by liberals, but a war weary country who love to be reminded of the heroism of their soldiers etc. Obama wants to shut down GITMO for his legacy, offloading the worst prisoners in vaguely legitimate trades makes it easier.
-Believing that Qatar is going to be an honest partner in tracking these guys is a joke, the Qatari government has already made that clear. It is also funny how the media blackout of Bergdhal is blowing up in this admin's face as well. Having the G-Damn Taliban release video of the exchange would be hillarious if it wasn't so sad. Our govt refuses to comment, and keeps a lot of the "evidence" that he was sick and of the particulars of his service/ desertion sealed. They are very tight lipped, and where there is secrecy there is lies in cases like this.
I wish I could believe that this was part of some high speed operation, but logic tells me that it is not. It is just a sad excuse for Public Relations and Political Theater. It was a serious misjudgement on the administration's part, and they completely misred how the public would view this.
Posted:
#34
I never said it was illegal.
I think there were rules broken with the notification of congress (not a big deal really, dickish, but not illegal), but the laws regarding GITMO prisoners are purposefully vague, not 100% sure on legality.
It is a known fact that the admin circumnavigated the proper channels for this, that is why I am calling it a rogue operation.
I think there were rules broken with the notification of congress (not a big deal really, dickish, but not illegal), but the laws regarding GITMO prisoners are purposefully vague, not 100% sure on legality.
It is a known fact that the admin circumnavigated the proper channels for this, that is why I am calling it a rogue operation.
Posted:
#36
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
Your theory is that Obama and his administration executed an illegal rouge operation for PR purposes and naively let five dangerous terrorists walk free with no consideration of the consequences so they could close GITMO for Obama’s legacy.
Your theory is that Obama and his administration executed an illegal rouge operation for PR purposes and naively let five dangerous terrorists walk free with no consideration of the consequences so they could close GITMO for Obama’s legacy.
This about sums it up. I kind of hope this is correct. Because the alternative is worse. This is about as far as the 'deep' thinkers surrounding Obama could think ahead. The alternative is they are just complete imbeciles that didn't think this through at all.
Posted:
#37
Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
I never said it was illegal.
I think there were rules broken with the notification of congress (not a big deal really, dickish, but not illegal), but the laws regarding GITMO prisoners are purposefully vague, not 100% sure on legality.
It is a known fact that the admin circumnavigated the proper channels for this, that is why I am calling it a rogue operation.
I never said it was illegal.
I think there were rules broken with the notification of congress (not a big deal really, dickish, but not illegal), but the laws regarding GITMO prisoners are purposefully vague, not 100% sure on legality.
It is a known fact that the admin circumnavigated the proper channels for this, that is why I am calling it a rogue operation.
Actually, I just looked it up, because I didn't know much about it.
Notifying congress is absolutely a law, so I guess it was illegal.
Posted:
#38
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
I believe the JCS, the UCC, the HSC, the NSC, the CIA, the SecDef and the president’s advisers are intelligent. The republicans who think rick's naive theory is plausible are the imbeciles.This about sums it up. I kind of hope this is correct. Because the alternative is worse. This is about as far as the 'deep' thinkers surrounding Obama could think ahead. The alternative is they are just complete imbeciles that didn't think this through at all.
Posted:
#41
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
An associate of mine was a member of a law enforcement Strike Force team. He told me about how the government authorized the release of a few small time punk drug dealers so they could follow them to find the kingpin and bring down the network. He told me that his team brought down the entire organization. It was a three year long investigation. Law enforcement has been doing this since the 80s.
An associate of mine was a member of a law enforcement Strike Force team. He told me about how the government authorized the release of a few small time punk drug dealers so they could follow them to find the kingpin and bring down the network. He told me that his team brought down the entire organization. It was a three year long investigation. Law enforcement has been doing this since the 80s.
Hopefully this wasn't the same cop advisor friend of yours that gave you your George Zimmerman is guilty advice.
Posted:
#42
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
I believe the JCS, the UCC, the HSC, the NSC, the CIA, the SecDef and the president’s advisers are intelligent. The republicans who think rick's naive theory is plausible are the imbeciles.
I believe the JCS, the UCC, the HSC, the NSC, the CIA, the SecDef and the president’s advisers are intelligent. The republicans who think rick's naive theory is plausible are the imbeciles.
Well here is some evidence to prove my theory. Maybe you could find some to prove yours.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/04/intelligence-community-largely-ignored-in-taliban-bergdahl-trade-officials-say/
Posted:
#43
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
I believe the JCS, the UCC, the HSC, the NSC, the CIA, the SecDef and the president’s advisers are intelligent. The republicans who think rick's naive theory is plausible are the imbeciles.
I believe the JCS, the UCC, the HSC, the NSC, the CIA, the SecDef and the president’s advisers are intelligent. The republicans who think rick's naive theory is plausible are the imbeciles.
Oh? I haven't heard much from some of them for this? I don't think his close guys are known as deep-thinkers, otherwise they wouldn't be making some of these mistakes that they make. I mean they try to think spin through and cause-effect, results, etc. But when you think you are brighter than all the average guys you get over confident is all. Sad because BHO should have unloaded some of them long ago. Because he didn't it will be a detriment to his legacy I think.
Posted:
#44
Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
Whoa, it's been a while Bowlslit. All we need is an appearance from CD kool-aid man numbers, Disco D, K-train and Dl36. I think I saw the kool-aid man days ago. Haven't seen disco d or k-train in a long time. Dl36 just disappeared. Hopefully this wasn't the same cop advisor friend of yours that gave you your George Zimmerman is guilty advice.
No, this was a different guy. The cop didn’t give me my theory. I haven’t seen him in years. I thought of this all on my own.
Oh, just because a person is found innocent… doesn’t actually mean that they’re really innocent. It just means the jury was incompetent or the jury wasn’t allowed to convict the person of another crime or there wasn’t enough evidence for a conviction.
Posted:
#45
Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
Well here is some evidence to prove my theory. Maybe you could find some to prove yours.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/04/intelligence-community-largely-ignored-in-taliban-bergdahl-trade-officials-say/
3 things I thought from reading that...Well here is some evidence to prove my theory. Maybe you could find some to prove yours.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/04/intelligence-community-largely-ignored-in-taliban-bergdahl-trade-officials-say/
1. Who is the military intelligence source? Anonymous sources tend to create bogus stories.
2. I don't care what a bunch of batsh!t crazy R's believe.
3. According to Time magazine, the decision to proceed with the transfer was ultimately made among top officials on Obama's national security team.
If number three is correct... that would mean the NSA and the president devised a plan of action, which would dispel all the asinine claims made by you and other republicans.
Posted:
#48
Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
Which claims are.asinine?
You have lost me.
All of it is asinine… Who in their right mind would illegally let five terrorists walk free to kill thousands of innocent people for PR points and legacy? I could see the POTUS doing it for imperialist reasons or billions of dollars but not for PR points and legacy building. It all sounds absolutely absurd. Which claims are.asinine?
You have lost me.
I could be wrong. I seriously doubt it, though. Presidents usually have two motives… military or monetary. I don’t see the president doing this for money. That means it has to be military.
Posted:
#49
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
I could be wrong. I seriously doubt it, though. Presidents usually have two motives… military or monetary. I don’t see the president doing this for money. That means it has to be military.
There could be a third motive....and the one I support ....President Obama did the swap at this point in time,in an attempt to gain back the support of Military men/women and their family's after the latest development in the mounting scandal surrounding the Department for Veterans Affairs..
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