Malace Madness in Minneapolis

So what is the partisan narrative for ICE killing Alex Pretti? From what I have read the guy did nothing at all deserving of multiple shots taken and killing him. What bothers me quite a bit is that the FEDS are not allowing local investigation of the scene, nobody is allowed to process or take evidence to bring justice for yet another dead civilian at the hands of these agents who have no place being there and their presence is actually creating the environment that legally trained law enforcement agents are there to diffuse and to protect citizens not to kill them.

Pretty sweeping and uneducated nonsense right there Mugg, but given your aggressive and blind partisan view it is not shocking.

I trust PBS and NPR much more than I trust Fox News and I am not sure why even if we ride with your extremist narrative that it is awful to look at a DIFFERENT perspective than the one you are singularly allowing yourself to be involved with. Are you afraid to view an alternative perspective and actually use balanced and critical thinking to see what you can gain from a different view? 

 It's because I've watched a lot of different broadcasts & I've seen a lot of different viewpoints. It's very narrow of you to suggest that, because you disagree with someone else's POV, they don't see a broad picture of how news is presented/misrepresented/slanted/spun. Even our local affiliates toe the leftist line of their respective partners.

Fox news stated it themselves that they are not a news station 

Their digital version is a little better for actually reporting news not just partisan opinion like their cable crap but it's still all far right maga cheering partisan crap there too

I hope the information inside the link below makes sense to all of the very partisan Lefties inside this thread! Here you go!

Make sense yet? — The Donald

They will spin it of course but we know it as FASCISM

@THEMUGG

 Your PBS/NPR comment was the cat there, how could anyone post that about those two organizations? There are more liberal outs than those two so given you seriously think that is a bit sketch to me and shows you are very closed minded. I follow all perspectives including probably the most ultra conservative place out there which is Zerohedge. I find some value with their content but for sure I am not against viewing other perspectives and you for sure broadcast you are not.

It all falls on the democrat leaders telling their people go out and stand up to ICE, and those same leaders stay inside they don't go out and get up in the face of ICE agents.

What it looks like happened is that while the agents had him on the ground they saw the weapon and the agent panicked and pulled out his weapon and shot him...he essentially thought he was neutralizing the situation by eliminating any possibile way for the guy to use that weapon against him and the other agents..wrestling situations are chaotic..Does seem to be an overreaction to the situation, but he was involved in an officer situation and put himself in that scene with a weapon on him...doing so is the problem..doesnt justify being shot but we are not the officers on scene and being put in that situation in a hostile environment...anyone of us could panick as well and do the same thing that agent did...it's stressful and these agents are being followed around, recorded and interfered with and whether you or disagree with ICE and its operations it is not wise to be intersecting yourself into that..

if it were my family I would be telling them to stay far away from these agents and not putting yourself in a situation just so you can capture phone footage.. protest all you want, but do so away from active officer scenes....when is this message going to resonate with people...its only happening because peopl are thinking by interfering they are making a difference and they simply are not...its a shame people are being shot and killed but if you weren't there on scene at all this would not be happening...these people are not news reporters and you are putting yourself around officers that are already in a sketchy situation...bad choice in my opinion even if it's legal to do so...make better choices and not leave your life in the hands of some officer who may just shoot because the situation is developing at a rate which can be difficult to process...or, keep doing what you're doing and expect more deaths...life's about choices...

[Quote: Originally Posted by THEMUGG]Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: All the national news organizations ( ABC, NBC, ABC) operate like state run organizations, even if there is no direct support from the Democrat Party.   The Democrat party and the media are indistinguishable.. Fox news is recognized as main propaganda arm of MAGA republican party.  Trump appoints Fox news personnel to his cabinet in government.  There is no single equivalent among left news sources.   However polls show Americans rank trustworthiness of Fox news in bottom 14 out of 53 news sources.  Some of the most trusted sources include weather channel, Reuters, BBC, Associated press, Wall street journal, PBS, NPR and New York times.

Trusted vs. accurate........big difference. Anyone that trusts PBS or NPR (even the NYT's these days) simply doesn't know any different. They are sheep.[/Quote]

Exactly right !! 

[Quote: Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers]So what is the partisan narrative for ICE killing Alex Pretti? From what I have read the guy did nothing at all deserving of multiple shots taken and killing him. What bothers me quite a bit is that the FEDS are not allowing local investigation of the scene, nobody is allowed to process or take evidence to bring justice for yet another dead civilian at the hands of these agents who have no place being there and their presence is actually creating the environment that legally trained law enforcement agents are there to diffuse and to protect citizens not to kill them.[/Quote]

Why do things always have to be so partisan w you ? 

I can simply point out the facts and understand why a 2nd shooting like this occurs.  A local police force that is unsupportive of ICE efforts, combined with a hostile public that inserts itself into ICE efforts, combined with an unwise decision by what should be an educated person (  a nurse)  to bring a gun to a volatile environment.   A CCW permit or not, combine all these factors and you get what we got yesterday. 

And guess what ? More is to come until state/ local officials back down and begin to support the lawful efforts by ICE to extract illegal aliens from our population 

Your post is pure bs like usual, just another maga trying to defend trump. Yes we should all just drop our pants and let these piece of crap untrained right wing goons destroy our country. Maybe thats what silver spoons do in life, but our country wasnt built because our people stood silent, like your telling people what they should do.

I called you from the beginning that you are a trump supporter and it stands today, no matter how much you say your not.

Lmfaooo telling people not to get involved, instead let these goons become even more lawless. If you like living under a dictatorship, theres lots of countries you can think about moving to

What

I feel really bad for you if thats what you think....

Can't believe you come on this site and act you don't like trump and maga but secretly side with them off this site...just shows who you really are..

The problem with you is you are a label maker that no one wants as a gift...it gets regifted and regifted until its thrown away...you're a lost cause with your deranged daily rants while secretly supporting Trump and magas...you cant fool me..

When you make posts like this, it shows exactly the person you are.  So tell all of us dummies which media that we should listen to and get our info of whats happening in the country?  The media you watch, is that what we should all be watching because its the best and most truthful. Should we be watching jesse watters, hannity, little clown gujttifield,and all the other far right trump nut case news? 

I get my info from actually letting your dumb ass idol trump talk and post. Thats all people really need to look at.

When i read posts like this, it reminds me of being a little kid arguing with your buddy over whos got the better bike. Thats what you are doing now as an adult by saying my news media is better then yours Might be time to become an actual adult and realize other people can be right about things. I know thats hard to grasp, cause magas believe they are the only ones that are right and the country should be run how they want it to be run.  Pretty selfish thinking

@ABooksNightmare

 Exactly.......people make choices every day......some good, some bad........& they have varying degrees of consequences. Some people let their emotions get the best of them & cease to think of the consequences of their actions. Just because some elected clown is encouraging you to aggravate LE doesn't mean you have to........& it sure isn't smart.

Fox news is not registered as a news organization. They are registered as an entertainment organization, thats why they get away with the bullshit they get away. Maga morons are dont have the brain power to understand the difference between the 2 organizations. This is why magas love and eat up THE WWE. They cant get enough of that fake wrestling entertainment and the same way they think wrestling is real, they believe what fox news says is real. Its a real shame magas didnt pay attention in school.

Your wording is 100% the problem. ICE should be SUPPORTING local efforts, not local efforts supporting ICE. Trump made absolutely zero effort to collaborate and respect local authorities and then you wonder why local citizens and officials are concerned. You cannot SUPPORT someone when they do not work with you and especially when they are supposed to be the ones supporting. Isnt the entire mantra of your TNC/GOP platform that states control, states rights and states making decisions? Or is that just when it serves your agenda and when Trump tramples on states rights that it is justified and appropriate?

Again complete misunderstanding of protocol and training and procedure. Citizens are to be supported, guarded and protected by LE not that if a citizen has a gun in their pocket and is directing traffic that means they get shot or that an unarmed female who reacts makes a move that she gets shot. These guys are not doing what they are supposed to be doing. This is not Russia this not Saudi Arabia where the LE rules with an iron fist and if you make any move LE feels as incorrect that you might die. The onus and full responsibility is on the LE to do every single possible thing in their power to NOT take aggressive actions against the public, to do all in their training and power to take any other action possible. That is NOT happening here and that means these ICE doods have no place being there.

If a LE rep is not trained not following protocol and does not have the required respect for the citizens they are meant to protect then they should NOT be there. Priority ONE should be to support and protect the public, ICE missed that memo they are completely failing at making a situation better, they are making it worse and much much worse.

What's  my news source

I asked you to tell me where i could find fox news on spectrum in my local area...and crickets..

I asked you to find me supporting Trump or maga posts from me where it was not based on actual policy and not because teump said so...and crickets

You intentionally misread my posts so you can be antagonistic because you think you're cool...its hilarious..I am one of the few independents in this site but keep up with your narrative so you can tell all your buddies that you really took it to this guy on the internet by telling him he is trump supporter and maga lover even though he repeatedly says he's not...I really told him and your support group starts singing..

You look like a fool ppst after post by trying to act like you know how to use your label maker when I think its jammed up on you...

Good luck Kool aid man...a fitting tar for you

But if that is the metric used they are doing an awful job - Obama administration send way more illegal immigrants out of your country (and according to you 20 million extra have come in after Obama) - Btw if the videos shown over here are correct where ICE deliberately try to create a situation and escalate it - where they deliberately tries for you to ramp their car etc. you are way worse of than what you see in Russia - they don’t escalate things - they just have strict rules where if you don’t follow them you get in trouble - so there a “hide” and out of sight out of mind attitudes actually works