Malace Madness in Minneapolis

@THEMUGG

Has the TNC and ICE ever made an effort to support local officials and LE agents? Nope...they stormed in and took over even when time after time they are told their presence is not necessary.

This approach is NOT ridding the country of the bad guys, not in the slightest. The bad guys are like gophers they are deep borrowed and smarter than the good guys so going down to the Home Depot or the court house or to the fast food places and rounding up all the brown guys is NOT removing the criminal element. Even if Trump fake claims that DC is a safe place to take your lover that does not make it so...your group has no clue what the crap they are doing and criminals will never be caught with the TNC approach.

More nonsense from the maga who doesnt want people to know hes a maga. Probably has something to do with not wanting to upset your business clients. Your maga and we both know it, so save your time trying to make me believe your not.

@ABooksNightmare

 Lmfaooooooooooooooo dont protest where the officers are? Thats some great sissy advice, maybe people that wear their underwear backwards this would be good advice. Maybe the protesters should just meet in one of their homes and protest there, away from where the goons are. People should do that if, they want to make these goons become more powerful and lawless, with our country heading towards a dictatorship. I dont want to live under a dictatorship. Maybe silver spoon folks who sit behind a desk all day want to live in a dictatorship, where they think they are safer. I will take my chances and go out in the sun. Our country has been free for a long time, trump is trying to put that genie back in the bottle and guys like you, even with silly words is helping him. Like i said to you, lots of countries with dictators running them, maybe you are better suited for life in one of these countries. You can wear your maga hat there all day long as you share your family business money with the countries dictator.

Go maga

Are you Russian or simply hate America?

He hates America and uses silly tactics acting like he is better than everyone while making stuff up...you could tell this guy that the sky is blue and he'd argue with you up and down and create false narratives that the sky is black...guy is delusional and an instigator just to do so much like those that call themselves protesters but choose to interfere with police activity

born with silver spoon...what an agitator....so sorry  you and your family decided not to take a risk and live there American dream but you'd rather come on a message board and try to insult someone's who's business is helping others by hiring them...what a clown you are...you should change your tar from Kool aid to a band aid because you are bleeding nephew..

Yeah. we all knew it ( violence disguised as peaceful protests) was coming again just a matter of when. 

ICE during Obama admin entered homes without warrants but you wouldn't think so reading MSM. 

Not too mention that a law was placed some time ago that warrants are not required for ICE to enter a home to remove an immigrant if there has already been issued a final order for said individual to be removed...

Its a law not an individual ICE agent doing this on there own...

[Quote: Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers]Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: So what is the partisan narrative for ICE killing Alex Pretti? From what I have read the guy did nothing at all deserving of multiple shots taken and killing him. What bothers me quite a bit is that the FEDS are not allowing local investigation of the scene, nobody is allowed to process or take evidence to bring justice for yet another dead civilian at the hands of these agents who have no place being there and their presence is actually creating the environment that legally trained law enforcement agents are there to diffuse and to protect citizens not to kill them.     Why do things always have to be so partisan w you ?  I can simply point out the facts and understand why a 2nd shooting like this occurs.  A local police force that is unsupportive of ICE efforts, combined with a hostile public that inserts itself into ICE efforts, combined with an unwise decision by what should be an educated person (  a nurse)  to bring a gun to a volatile environment.   A CCW permit or not, combine all these factors and you get what we got yesterday.  And guess what ? More is to come until state/ local officials back down and begin to support the lawful efforts by ICE to extract illegal aliens from our population Your wording is 100% the problem. ICE should be SUPPORTING local efforts, not local efforts supporting ICE. Trump made absolutely zero effort to collaborate and respect local authorities and then you wonder why local citizens and officials are concerned. You cannot SUPPORT someone when they do not work with you and especially when they are supposed to be the ones supporting. Isnt the entire mantra of your TNC/GOP platform that states control, states rights and states making decisions? Or is that just when it serves your agenda and when Trump tramples on states rights that it is justified and appropriate?[/Quote]

Removing illegal aliens is a federal operation led by ICE , with what "should" be  the support of local law enforcement.   That should be well understood by everyone.  

@Rush51
 ICE should be SUPPORTING local efforts, not local efforts supporting ICE.

It is actually more than just that.  
How do you do your job when local law enforcement will not help and are actually told not to, so, therefore, are complicit in harboring the illegals.  

TEXAS

The most high-profile operations are street raids, where ICE agents, often accompanied by state troopers and local police, target a particular area or business and arrest groups of undocumented immigrants.

Some of the biggest raids have taken place in and around Houston: In May, ICE said it deported more than 500 people and arrested more than 400 suspected undocumented immigrants in and around the city in roughly one week. In October, ICE carried out another massive operation in Houston over the course of 10 days, in which they said they arrested more than 1,500 undocumented immigrants.

ICE has focused mainly on the state’s large urban areas, but earlier this year, according to Border Report, the head of the South Texas Builders Association said agents have been raiding construction sites along the border.

But the most common way ICE agents track down undocumented immigrants is through the local criminal justice system. Immigration agents can request that jails hold an undocumented person who has been jailed, then turn them over to ICE for deportation. The Harris County Jail leads the country for such immigration holds, also known as ICE detainers, according to a Tribune analysis.

See how easy it is. Unless you're members of a group that aided and abetted illegal immigration in the first place. Guess those folks would be pissed.

@UNIMAN

 That is the absolute difference. 

@Raiders22

 If ICE does not collaborate with and allow the state and local reps to do their job then how do you expect them to work together?

State and local said they do not need or want ICE in their areas, ICE came anyway. ICE did not work to support the state and local LE agencies and citizens so what part of support and work with is not understood here?

Do you and the others who espouse state and local rights now say they are not important because the agenda does not fit the necessary framework to justify the ICE agents being where they are not wanted and in fact asked to NOT come?

You cannot force your way into an environment then cry foul when others there who are more capable better trained and understand the local scene better are not "supporting" you. If ICE wanted to support the local authorities and work WITH them they have completely failed, but I do not even think they gave a crap about collab with the state and local officials because they KNEW and it was shown that they were not wanted or required at all. 

So repeated question, is state and local rights just some concept you turn on when you want it and it looks good to your agenda then you turn it off when it does not fit the needs for the partisan agenda?

Trump is an absolute failure with regard to collab, it is either his and the project 2025 way or you get the fascist iron grip, Trump is acting like Stalin but for sure not as intelligent.

@UNIMAN

 Your quote about targeted small scale COLLABORATED street raids is not what is taking place, why even make the comparison when the exact opposite is the case? ICE did not start out working WITH local and state reps, that has never been the case and in fact the opposite is the truth. ICE was asked to stay away so how can you collab with someone that says BUTT OUT?

[Quote: Originally Posted by Raiders22]@Rush51 ICE should be SUPPORTING local efforts, not local efforts supporting ICE. It is actually more than just that.  How do you do your job when local law enforcement will not help and are actually told not to, so, therefore, are complicit in harboring the illegals.[/Quote]

I would elevate it higher , and say the Mayor and Governor are complicit in harboring illegal aliens,  and thus arrested.   It is the leadership  (or lack therof) that is the source of the problem.

As UNIMAN alludes to, this nonsense doesn't happen in most operations,  particularly ones in Republican-led areas. 

@wallstreetcappers

 If ICE does not collaborate with and allow the state and local reps to do their job

Ok.  What EXACT job is ICE not allowing the state to do?

Be specific and concise please.  

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, theres 2 choices here. Either you are like 10 years old or you are just trying to troll people. Am gonna go with option number 2, you just love trolling.  Maybe your not seeing the real facts on what they arent allowing local and state officers to do, because right wing media wont cover that.  So really stop playing dumb, your an adult.

Honestly after all these years i still dont know why covers dont cut ties with known trolls

Local and state cops are gonna remember this shit, watch these ICE AGENTS will get paid back. Sure hope none of them are never out there drinking and driving, lollll. Trump wants to drive a stake in between local and state vs feds, that way he can create his own federal police force for everything. Signs are right in front of all of us. Whats funny is if this does happen the maga morons will think because they are a maga, they will get some special perks from that federal police force, couldnt be farther from reality

Lmfaooooooooooooo my parents owned a very large restaurant which i said many times, but keep trying. I helped in that restaurant, but i dint need to ride my parents hard work, in order to get ahead in life.  Guess the truth hurts for some.

You telling protestors that they should stay away from where the ICE agents are could be one of the all time funniest posts on this forum. Yes protesting away from where the action is, will really change how these ICE agents operate against how our country was founded, Comrade nightmare.

Look i get it some folks arent cut out for going into the thick of things and would rather just sit back taking their paper cuts at their desks, while others save our democracy. Its people like me who love this country more then guys like you, who only care about if trump will give you more tax breaks. You should look into setting up shop in russia, china, north korea all business friendly places.

go maga

p.s. your response about helping people by giving them jobs is a typical maga response.  People like you will never realize that the people you hire to help you make money are doing you a favor also.  Its a 2 way street, cause without the workers, you wouldnt be sitting behind a desk all day surfing covers like you have said you do because of all the free time you got working. So just remember that when you go to sleep at night, those workers are making Your American dream come true. Magas never grasp that, i gave a person a job, now they need to kiss my ass. My parents always said it was the workers that made their business a success.

please I understand that this presence of federal agents is alarming. and these people are human beings as well. following orders directed by the administration.

do not provide them with reasons to use violent behavior against civilians. protest peacefully.

resist yes petition courts federal congrress people, the governor your local police. but we don't need to morn any more Martyrs.

they have killed 9 people this month across the nation please don't allow the. to take anymore from their families....

be safe.

@ABooksNightmare

 and in the 80's when they ran the business, they didnt pay the workers the allowed tip wage salary in new york state, which was 60 percent lower then the minimum wage and in fact they paid the workers above the minimum wage, when they didnt have to and thats because they knew the workers were important pieces of the business overall and they never made any worker feel like bow to them because they helped them by providing a job to them. So really take your maga non sense about us hating America and put it where you know where.

Go maga

@cd329

So, what are they?  I am not trolling.  I am truly asking.  I never get an answer. 

Turn your tv to another other channel other then right wing media, which is the media arm for the white house and you will see exactly what they are doing. But you know this, you just like to stir the kettle.

p.s. i cant even imagine how many editors fox news has to use right now to edit all those protest videos. The white house told fema not to use the word ICE in any public communications about the ICE storms that were happening all across the country, instead told to use the words freezing rains.

Wonder why that is?    Go check fox news for the answer

This is why America is failing because of individuals like this..they are out there and we have one of our very own on Cover.com...

Spreading hate everywhere he goes and just speaking nonsense...

Acts like he knows everything about people on the internet when he doesnt know anything...

keep making things up and spreading your daily hate on this site...do you even look at your posts...

We all know who the one is that is struggling herekeep spreading your hate over and over and over and over and over again but find a new target...

@cd329

 I don’t have a TV. 

So, what are your answers?

If you can’t think of anything that is fine because no one else has been able to answer it either.  
They just repeat the Leftist’s talking points.  But when pressed by exactly what they are referring to, they can only reply with gibberish like the above.