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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2025 - 1:58 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Shersinghjatt: This clown that filed bankruptcy in many of his failed business using daddy's money. Got richer off the backs of both libs and republiCANTS while president, ICE making the u.s the laughing stock of the world, and the list goes on and on and on. He'll go down as the worst president in history. @Shersinghjatt  He already is according to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics! And that's not just the opinion of a few. The only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject have all concluded almost exactly the same!  The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time. (Joe Biden was ranked 14th)  The previous two massive surveys of EXPERTS - which made rankings WITHOUT the knowledge of all the fraud and criminal indictments against him and a jury finding he was guilty of sexual assault (rape) - even without that knowledge, they still placed him in the bottom 4 all-time.     All three surveys of presidential EXPERTS - those who actually study and analyze various aspects of presidential leadership and qualities - found trump WORST of all modern day presidents (ie, since WW2). And that dates back before this highly controversial 2nd term - which would lower his ranking even further if that were even possible!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Shersinghjatt: This clown that filed bankruptcy in many of his failed business using daddy's money. Got richer off the backs of both libs and republiCANTS while president, ICE making the u.s the laughing stock of the world, and the list goes on and on and on. He'll go down as the worst president in history. @Shersinghjatt  He already is according to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics! And that's not just the opinion of a few. The only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject have all concluded almost exactly the same!  The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time. (Joe Biden was ranked 14th)  The previous two massive surveys of EXPERTS - which made rankings WITHOUT the knowledge of all the fraud and criminal indictments against him and a jury finding he was guilty of sexual assault (rape) - even without that knowledge, they still placed him in the bottom 4 all-time.     All three surveys of presidential EXPERTS - those who actually study and analyze various aspects of presidential leadership and qualities - found trump WORST of all modern day presidents (ie, since WW2). And that dates back before this highly controversial 2nd term - which would lower his ranking even further if that were even possible!

     

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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2025 - 3:45 AM ET #27

    @fubah2  "surveys of scholarly experts"

    Two surveys are based on comparing all presidents in attributes, abilities and accomplishments.  But Trump ranks in bottom 6 on too many of them. So far, his second term appears worse.

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    @fubah2  "surveys of scholarly experts"

    Two surveys are based on comparing all presidents in attributes, abilities and accomplishments.  But Trump ranks in bottom 6 on too many of them. So far, his second term appears worse.

    SIENA COLLEGE: Background, Imagination. Integrity. Ability to compromise. Executive ability. Communication. Relation with congress. Court appointments. Handling of economy. Executive appointments. Domestic accomplishments. Foreign policy. Avoiding mistakes. 

    C-SPAN:  Crisis leadership. Moral authority. International relations. Relation with congress. Pursuit of equal justice for all. Performance within context of times.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2025 - 11:21 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Shersinghjatt: He'll go down as the worst president in history.

    @Shersinghjatt

     He already is according to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics!

    And that's not just the opinion of a few. The only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject have all concluded almost exactly the same!  The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time. (Joe Biden was ranked 14th) 

    The previous two massive surveys of EXPERTS - which made rankings WITHOUT the knowledge of all the fraud and criminal indictments against him and a jury finding he was guilty of sexual assault (rape) - even without that knowledge, they still placed him in the bottom 4 all-time. an_speechless

     

    an_blowhorn All three surveys of presidential EXPERTS - those who actually study and analyze various aspects of presidential leadership and qualities - found trump WORST of all modern day presidents (ie, since WW2).

    And that dates back before this highly controversial 2nd term - which would lower his ranking even further if that were even possible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Shersinghjatt: He'll go down as the worst president in history.

    @Shersinghjatt

     He already is according to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics!

    And that's not just the opinion of a few. The only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject have all concluded almost exactly the same!  The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time. (Joe Biden was ranked 14th) 

    The previous two massive surveys of EXPERTS - which made rankings WITHOUT the knowledge of all the fraud and criminal indictments against him and a jury finding he was guilty of sexual assault (rape) - even without that knowledge, they still placed him in the bottom 4 all-time. an_speechless

     

    an_blowhorn All three surveys of presidential EXPERTS - those who actually study and analyze various aspects of presidential leadership and qualities - found trump WORST of all modern day presidents (ie, since WW2).

    And that dates back before this highly controversial 2nd term - which would lower his ranking even further if that were even possible!

    goodpost  an_cheers

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2025 - 3:53 AM ET #29

    I actually for real think your history books will try erase him from your presidential history ! It wouldn’t be out of the ordinary for you guys trying to silence something you did in your past you didn’t like or rewrite your history to fit the narrative they want you to believe etc. and considering how wild these first 10 months have been - I am sure in 3 more years it won’t be something you will remember back on with fond memories 

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    I actually for real think your history books will try erase him from your presidential history ! It wouldn’t be out of the ordinary for you guys trying to silence something you did in your past you didn’t like or rewrite your history to fit the narrative they want you to believe etc. and considering how wild these first 10 months have been - I am sure in 3 more years it won’t be something you will remember back on with fond memories 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2025 - 4:57 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    I actually for real think your history books will try erase him from your presidential history ! It wouldn’t be out of the ordinary for you guys trying to silence something you did in your past you didn’t like or rewrite your history to fit the narrative they want you to believe etc. and considering how wild these first 10 months have been - I am sure in 3 more years it won’t be something you will remember back on with fond memories

    I don't believe that. There have been far worse presidents in this country over the centuries. The democrats just don't like him. Just a personality conflict. This too, shall pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    I actually for real think your history books will try erase him from your presidential history ! It wouldn’t be out of the ordinary for you guys trying to silence something you did in your past you didn’t like or rewrite your history to fit the narrative they want you to believe etc. and considering how wild these first 10 months have been - I am sure in 3 more years it won’t be something you will remember back on with fond memories

    I don't believe that. There have been far worse presidents in this country over the centuries. The democrats just don't like him. Just a personality conflict. This too, shall pass.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2025 - 7:13 AM ET #31

    History will show how a political party tried to destroy a man and failed. And now that old man stomps on them everyday. It's karma at it's best. I don't like Trump's mannerisms but sure do get a kick of watching him slap them around. Vindictive? Oh yeah. I would be too. Professional? No, but neither are the left. 

    It should be a lesson learned, but will it be? 

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    History will show how a political party tried to destroy a man and failed. And now that old man stomps on them everyday. It's karma at it's best. I don't like Trump's mannerisms but sure do get a kick of watching him slap them around. Vindictive? Oh yeah. I would be too. Professional? No, but neither are the left. 

    It should be a lesson learned, but will it be? 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2025 - 7:17 AM ET #32

    Donald Dump? How did the Op know? an_roll_laugh

     

    For you Kenny; Right into the danger zone........

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    Donald Dump? How did the Op know? an_roll_laugh

     

    For you Kenny; Right into the danger zone........

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2025 - 10:29 AM ET #33

     History certainly won't be kind to Dementia Joe, lol. He's already widely considered by top experts, & the American people, to be the worst POTUS ever. History will show this period as the collapse of the dem party as they continue to fold to the far-left, & clearly have no vision for the American citizen.

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     History certainly won't be kind to Dementia Joe, lol. He's already widely considered by top experts, & the American people, to be the worst POTUS ever. History will show this period as the collapse of the dem party as they continue to fold to the far-left, & clearly have no vision for the American citizen.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2025 - 10:55 AM ET #34

    History is likely to be kind to Biden because historians write the history books.  American political science association already ranks Biden 14th and Trump 45th best presidents in US history.  Oddly, the best presidents tend to be woke or concerned about social justice.  For examples, Roosevelt, Washington and Lincoln.

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    History is likely to be kind to Biden because historians write the history books.  American political science association already ranks Biden 14th and Trump 45th best presidents in US history.  Oddly, the best presidents tend to be woke or concerned about social justice.  For examples, Roosevelt, Washington and Lincoln.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2025 - 10:59 AM ET #35

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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2025 - 12:53 PM ET #36

    an_ref According to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics, trump (aka, Der Führer of the MAGA Reich) is the WORST US president since WW2 and among the bottom of the outhouse all-time!

    And that's not just the highly educated opinion of a few! 

    an_lightThe only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject of presidential politics have studied the matter and all concluded almost exactly the same! 

    The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time.thejester

        an_light Joe Biden was ranked 14th!   Obama ranked 7th!!

     

    The previous two massive surveys of Poly-Sci EXPERTS - which made their rankings prior to learning of all the fraud and criminal indictments against him and a jury finding he was guilty of sexual assault (rape) - even without that knowledge - the experts still placed the MAGA-asshole in the bottom 4 all-time. thejester 

    Even the self-identified republicans among those experts ranked trump among the very WORST all-time!

     

    an_blowhorn Most importantly, all three major surveys of presidential EXPERTS - those who actually study/analyze various aspects of presidential leadership and qualities - found trump WORST of all modern day presidents (ie, since WW2)!

     

    And all that predates this highly controversial 2nd term - which CLEARLY would lower his ranking even further if that were even possible!

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    an_ref According to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics, trump (aka, Der Führer of the MAGA Reich) is the WORST US president since WW2 and among the bottom of the outhouse all-time!

    And that's not just the highly educated opinion of a few! 

    an_lightThe only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject of presidential politics have studied the matter and all concluded almost exactly the same! 

    The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time.thejester

        an_light Joe Biden was ranked 14th!   Obama ranked 7th!!

     

    The previous two massive surveys of Poly-Sci EXPERTS - which made their rankings prior to learning of all the fraud and criminal indictments against him and a jury finding he was guilty of sexual assault (rape) - even without that knowledge - the experts still placed the MAGA-asshole in the bottom 4 all-time. thejester 

    Even the self-identified republicans among those experts ranked trump among the very WORST all-time!

     

    an_blowhorn Most importantly, all three major surveys of presidential EXPERTS - those who actually study/analyze various aspects of presidential leadership and qualities - found trump WORST of all modern day presidents (ie, since WW2)!

     

    And all that predates this highly controversial 2nd term - which CLEARLY would lower his ranking even further if that were even possible!

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2025 - 1:00 PM ET #37

     

      The books are already coming out, although a couple seem to be more like autobiographies of failures during the last admin. No legitimate writer, no matter what they call themselves, is going to laud Biden & be humiliated. Anyone ranking Biden "14th" clearly has an agenda & isn't objective at all.

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      The books are already coming out, although a couple seem to be more like autobiographies of failures during the last admin. No legitimate writer, no matter what they call themselves, is going to laud Biden & be humiliated. Anyone ranking Biden "14th" clearly has an agenda & isn't objective at all.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    According to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics, trump (aka, Der Führer of the MAGA Reich) is the WORST US president since WW2 and among the bottom of the outhouse all-time!

    And that's not just the highly educated opinion of a few! 

    an_lightThe only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject of presidential politics have studied the matter and all concluded almost exactly the same! 

    The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time.thejester

     

     an_light Joe Biden was ranked 14th!  an_2drinks Obama ranked 7th!

     

    The previous two massive surveys of Poly-Sci EXPERTS - which made their rankings prior to learning of all the fraud and criminal indictments against him and a jury finding he was guilty of sexual assault (rape) - even without that knowledge - the experts still placed the MAGA-asshole in the bottom 4 all-time. thejester 

    Even the self-identified republicans among those experts ranked trump among the very WORST all-time!

     

    an_blowhorn Most importantly, all three major surveys of presidential EXPERTS - those who actually study/analyze various aspects of presidential leadership and qualities - found trump WORST of all modern day presidents (ie, since WW2)!

     

    And all that predates this highly controversial 2nd term - which CLEARLY would lower his ranking even further if that were even possible!

      Will be interesting to see how the new surveys rank the fascist-MAGA-asshole in the Oval.  I mean he's just damn lucky we don't have more presidents in our past or he would be ranked far lower than he already is! thejester

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    According to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics, trump (aka, Der Führer of the MAGA Reich) is the WORST US president since WW2 and among the bottom of the outhouse all-time!

    And that's not just the highly educated opinion of a few! 

    an_lightThe only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject of presidential politics have studied the matter and all concluded almost exactly the same! 

    The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time.thejester

     

     an_light Joe Biden was ranked 14th!  an_2drinks Obama ranked 7th!

     

    The previous two massive surveys of Poly-Sci EXPERTS - which made their rankings prior to learning of all the fraud and criminal indictments against him and a jury finding he was guilty of sexual assault (rape) - even without that knowledge - the experts still placed the MAGA-asshole in the bottom 4 all-time. thejester 

    Even the self-identified republicans among those experts ranked trump among the very WORST all-time!

     

    an_blowhorn Most importantly, all three major surveys of presidential EXPERTS - those who actually study/analyze various aspects of presidential leadership and qualities - found trump WORST of all modern day presidents (ie, since WW2)!

     

    And all that predates this highly controversial 2nd term - which CLEARLY would lower his ranking even further if that were even possible!

      Will be interesting to see how the new surveys rank the fascist-MAGA-asshole in the Oval.  I mean he's just damn lucky we don't have more presidents in our past or he would be ranked far lower than he already is! thejester

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Even the self-identified republicans among those experts ranked trump among the very WORST all-time!

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    Even the self-identified republicans among those experts ranked trump among the very WORST all-time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:

    @THEMUGG It's almost like they have to use #14 and #7 as means, or support of, detracting from Trump.   If they were that accomplished we'd be reveling in the highlights  When Trump lands top 15 by "some" experts we'll probably just continue to talk about his achievements vs. something else.
    I think it's the most asinine thing to be talking about what historian experts think about someone when it is so recent. It really means nothing because time has to pass for anything to make sense. I guess to each his own, but you couldn't even rate Obama or Biden or Trump's first presidency yet from a historian standpoint because not enough time has passed. Seems silly to me, but some seem to be holding on to this like it makes some difference or proves some point. Most likely Trump will rank low when it's all said and done, but this shit needs to ripen first.   

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    Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:

    @THEMUGG It's almost like they have to use #14 and #7 as means, or support of, detracting from Trump.   If they were that accomplished we'd be reveling in the highlights  When Trump lands top 15 by "some" experts we'll probably just continue to talk about his achievements vs. something else.
    I think it's the most asinine thing to be talking about what historian experts think about someone when it is so recent. It really means nothing because time has to pass for anything to make sense. I guess to each his own, but you couldn't even rate Obama or Biden or Trump's first presidency yet from a historian standpoint because not enough time has passed. Seems silly to me, but some seem to be holding on to this like it makes some difference or proves some point. Most likely Trump will rank low when it's all said and done, but this shit needs to ripen first.   

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    According to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics,

    an_lightThe only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject of presidential politics have studied the matter and all concluded almost exactly the same! 

    The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time.thejester

        peace_5

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    According to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics,

    an_lightThe only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject of presidential politics have studied the matter and all concluded almost exactly the same! 

    The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time.thejester

        peace_5

     

     
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      I agree for the most part. With Obama, his only real legacy so far is the failure of Obamacare & the division of the country. However, if the health care thing gets tweaked enough to work, he could be credited with introducing the concept. For Biden.......?????.....hard to see anything but infamy. For Trump.....we'll know more in about five years or so......none/some/all of his ideas could be successes or failures.

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      I agree for the most part. With Obama, his only real legacy so far is the failure of Obamacare & the division of the country. However, if the health care thing gets tweaked enough to work, he could be credited with introducing the concept. For Biden.......?????.....hard to see anything but infamy. For Trump.....we'll know more in about five years or so......none/some/all of his ideas could be successes or failures.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: According to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics, The only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject of presidential politics have studied the matter and all concluded almost exactly the same! 

    The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time.

     

    peace_5

    Absolutely the WORST we've ever had - and rated BEFORE learning of some of his worst attributes!!!

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: According to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics, The only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject of presidential politics have studied the matter and all concluded almost exactly the same! 

    The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time.

     

    peace_5

    Absolutely the WORST we've ever had - and rated BEFORE learning of some of his worst attributes!!!

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @ABooksNightmare   I agree for the most part. With Obama, his only real legacy so far is the failure of Obamacare & the division of the country. However, if the health care thing gets tweaked enough to work, he could be credited with introducing the concept. For Biden.......?????.....hard to see anything but infamy. For Trump.....we'll know more in about five years or so......none/some/all of his ideas could be successes or failures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @ABooksNightmare   I agree for the most part. With Obama, his only real legacy so far is the failure of Obamacare & the division of the country. However, if the health care thing gets tweaked enough to work, he could be credited with introducing the concept. For Biden.......?????.....hard to see anything but infamy. For Trump.....we'll know more in about five years or so......none/some/all of his ideas could be successes or failures.
    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: According to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics, The only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject of presidential politics have studied the matter and all concluded almost exactly the same!  The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time.   Absolutely the WORST we've ever had - and rated BEFORE learning of some of his worst attributes!!!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: According to the EXPERTS who study presidential politics, The only major surveys (3) of scholarly EXPERTS/analysts on the subject of presidential politics have studied the matter and all concluded almost exactly the same!  The most recent survey of analytical presidential experts - the largest one - was published January 2024 and had trump ranked dead last among *ALL* 45 presidents at the time.   Absolutely the WORST we've ever had - and rated BEFORE learning of some of his worst attributes!!!

     

    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    The books are already coming out, although a couple seem to be more like autobiographies of failures during the last admin. No legitimate writer, no matter what they call themselves, is going to laud Biden & be humiliated. Anyone ranking Biden "14th" clearly has an agenda & isn't objective at all.
    I would think most of this is not really objective, but rather subjective. I mean, what criteria is being used to make these determinations when policies in place often times do not take hold or see dividends are failures for some time down the road. Also, how are these so called experts determining factors of policy tweaks and changes when a new administration comes in and makes these changes? At this point, are they originators policy or do they belong to the one that made the changes? 

    I just wonder how the criteria that is used can even factor all of this into the situation for evaluation purposes. Seems rather misguided as to how it can even be determined with so many unknown and known factors that have played out or may play out. This is why I think ranking any person of the last 1-10 or 20 years is silly. You could certainly rank the last 30 presidents or so based on how they performed from one to the next of those 30 or so presidents because enough time has elapsed and it could possibly be measured. The problem is, as I pointed out above, how are the determining factors derived as it relates to policies. Likeness and approval rating can be judged, but policies almost seems like an incapable measurement if they are changed or done away with from one administration to the next.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    The books are already coming out, although a couple seem to be more like autobiographies of failures during the last admin. No legitimate writer, no matter what they call themselves, is going to laud Biden & be humiliated. Anyone ranking Biden "14th" clearly has an agenda & isn't objective at all.
    I would think most of this is not really objective, but rather subjective. I mean, what criteria is being used to make these determinations when policies in place often times do not take hold or see dividends are failures for some time down the road. Also, how are these so called experts determining factors of policy tweaks and changes when a new administration comes in and makes these changes? At this point, are they originators policy or do they belong to the one that made the changes? 

    I just wonder how the criteria that is used can even factor all of this into the situation for evaluation purposes. Seems rather misguided as to how it can even be determined with so many unknown and known factors that have played out or may play out. This is why I think ranking any person of the last 1-10 or 20 years is silly. You could certainly rank the last 30 presidents or so based on how they performed from one to the next of those 30 or so presidents because enough time has elapsed and it could possibly be measured. The problem is, as I pointed out above, how are the determining factors derived as it relates to policies. Likeness and approval rating can be judged, but policies almost seems like an incapable measurement if they are changed or done away with from one administration to the next.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Even the self-identified republicans among those experts ranked trump among the very WORST all-time!

    an_cheers

     

    @KellyM_1964

    Yes, TRUE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Even the self-identified republicans among those experts ranked trump among the very WORST all-time!

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    Yes, TRUE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: The books are already coming out, although a couple seem to be more like autobiographies of failures during the last admin. No legitimate writer, no matter what they call themselves, is going to laud Biden & be humiliated. Anyone ranking Biden "14th" clearly has an agenda & isn't objective at all.I would think most of this is not really objective, but rather subjective. I mean, what criteria is being used to make these determinations when policies in place often times do not take hold or see dividends are failures for some time down the road. Also, how are these so called experts determining factors of policy tweaks and changes when a new administration comes in and makes these changes? At this point, are they originators policy or do they belong to the one that made the changes?  I just wonder how the criteria that is used can even factor all of this into the situation for evaluation purposes. Seems rather misguided as to how it can even be determined with so many unknown and known factors that have played out or may play out. This is why I think ranking any person of the last 1-10 or 20 years is silly. You could certainly rank the last 30 presidents or so based on how they performed from one to the next of those 30 or so presidents because enough time has elapsed and it could possibly be measured. The problem is, as I pointed out above, how are the determining factors derived as it relates to policies. Likeness and approval rating can be judged, but policies almost seems like an incapable measurement if they are changed or done away with from one administration to the next.

     

    I just read this: The criteria and resulting rankings can change over time as new historical evidence emerges and modern perspectives influence evaluation standards.

     

    This kind of alludes to what you and I are suggesting. These type of rankings need time to ripen. Trump will still most likely be low, but enough with the rankings. I guess this is why you cannot make the sports Hall of Fame until your career has concluded and can been evaluated. One or two good years does not make you a hall of famer, which of course makes complete sense. peace_5 

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: The books are already coming out, although a couple seem to be more like autobiographies of failures during the last admin. No legitimate writer, no matter what they call themselves, is going to laud Biden & be humiliated. Anyone ranking Biden "14th" clearly has an agenda & isn't objective at all.I would think most of this is not really objective, but rather subjective. I mean, what criteria is being used to make these determinations when policies in place often times do not take hold or see dividends are failures for some time down the road. Also, how are these so called experts determining factors of policy tweaks and changes when a new administration comes in and makes these changes? At this point, are they originators policy or do they belong to the one that made the changes?  I just wonder how the criteria that is used can even factor all of this into the situation for evaluation purposes. Seems rather misguided as to how it can even be determined with so many unknown and known factors that have played out or may play out. This is why I think ranking any person of the last 1-10 or 20 years is silly. You could certainly rank the last 30 presidents or so based on how they performed from one to the next of those 30 or so presidents because enough time has elapsed and it could possibly be measured. The problem is, as I pointed out above, how are the determining factors derived as it relates to policies. Likeness and approval rating can be judged, but policies almost seems like an incapable measurement if they are changed or done away with from one administration to the next.

     

    I just read this: The criteria and resulting rankings can change over time as new historical evidence emerges and modern perspectives influence evaluation standards.

     

    This kind of alludes to what you and I are suggesting. These type of rankings need time to ripen. Trump will still most likely be low, but enough with the rankings. I guess this is why you cannot make the sports Hall of Fame until your career has concluded and can been evaluated. One or two good years does not make you a hall of famer, which of course makes complete sense. peace_5 

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