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    Good luck being a defendant in the U.S. court system....as a black male

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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 10:32 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    More white Americans are killed by cops. 

    Democrats can only do the "disproportionate" math when it suits their agenda. 


    I agree with this.

    Statistically, however, the punishment for killing a black man is less than their white counterparts. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    More white Americans are killed by cops. 

    Democrats can only do the "disproportionate" math when it suits their agenda. 


    I agree with this.

    Statistically, however, the punishment for killing a black man is less than their white counterparts. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 10:36 PM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I agree with this.

    Statistically, however, the punishment for killing a black man is less than their white counterparts. 

    Punishment for police killing black vs white, or taken as a whole?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I agree with this.

    Statistically, however, the punishment for killing a black man is less than their white counterparts. 

    Punishment for police killing black vs white, or taken as a whole?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 10:51 PM ET #78

    I listed facts to show why I believe that my conclusion is accurate. You lack the ability to generate an articulate argument. Because you can't form an articulate argument, you're sticking with this nonsensical rebuttal. Everyone reading this can see right through it. 

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    I listed facts to show why I believe that my conclusion is accurate. You lack the ability to generate an articulate argument. Because you can't form an articulate argument, you're sticking with this nonsensical rebuttal. Everyone reading this can see right through it. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 10:52 PM ET #79

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gxr5oBG2yM

    Skip to 2:20- 
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gxr5oBG2yM

    Skip to 2:20- 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 10:56 PM ET #80

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I agree with this.

    Statistically, however, the punishment for killing a black man is less than their white counterparts. 

    From 1980 through 2008, 93 percent of black victims were killed by blacks. So what's your point? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I agree with this.

    Statistically, however, the punishment for killing a black man is less than their white counterparts. 

    From 1980 through 2008, 93 percent of black victims were killed by blacks. So what's your point? 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:01 PM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:


    Punishment for police killing black vs white, or taken as a whole?

    Both. 

    I posted the statistics for death penalty cases last week. Here is for "justifiable homicide." 

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/08/14/killings-of-black-men-by-whites-are-far-more-likely-to-be-ruled-justifiable?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=opening-statement&utm_term=newsletter-20170814-821#.lJicfZBvW

    BLM had a point when it started but it was hijacked by, what I believe, is a few who have poisoned some of the good in the movement (and I might add, the movement itself has been slow to distance itself from some of the very anti-police rhetoric). 



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:


    Punishment for police killing black vs white, or taken as a whole?

    Both. 

    I posted the statistics for death penalty cases last week. Here is for "justifiable homicide." 

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/08/14/killings-of-black-men-by-whites-are-far-more-likely-to-be-ruled-justifiable?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=opening-statement&utm_term=newsletter-20170814-821#.lJicfZBvW

    BLM had a point when it started but it was hijacked by, what I believe, is a few who have poisoned some of the good in the movement (and I might add, the movement itself has been slow to distance itself from some of the very anti-police rhetoric). 



     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:03 PM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I listed facts to show why I believe that my conclusion is accurate. You lack the ability to generate an articulate argument. Because you can't form an articulate argument, you're sticking with this nonsensical rebuttal. Everyone reading this can see right through it. 


    More self-proclaimed victories. 

    You cited an op-ed which produced unverifiable facts. You then took those facts and made a conclusion without showing causation. 

    It might work in less educated settings, but you are with the big boys here. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I listed facts to show why I believe that my conclusion is accurate. You lack the ability to generate an articulate argument. Because you can't form an articulate argument, you're sticking with this nonsensical rebuttal. Everyone reading this can see right through it. 


    More self-proclaimed victories. 

    You cited an op-ed which produced unverifiable facts. You then took those facts and made a conclusion without showing causation. 

    It might work in less educated settings, but you are with the big boys here. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:04 PM ET #83

    BLM never had a good point. 

    Name one of their "good points" and I'll demolish it. 

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    BLM never had a good point. 

    Name one of their "good points" and I'll demolish it. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:09 PM ET #84

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    More self-proclaimed victories. 

    You cited an op-ed which produced unverifiable facts. You then took those facts and made a conclusion without showing causation. 

    It might work in less educated settings, but you are with the big boys here. 

    That's false. I listed verifiable facts. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    More self-proclaimed victories. 

    You cited an op-ed which produced unverifiable facts. You then took those facts and made a conclusion without showing causation. 

    It might work in less educated settings, but you are with the big boys here. 

    That's false. I listed verifiable facts. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:15 PM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Both. 

    I posted the statistics for death penalty cases last week. Here is for "justifiable homicide." 

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/08/14/killings-of-black-men-by-whites-are-far-more-likely-to-be-ruled-justifiable?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=opening-statement&utm_term=newsletter-20170814-821#.lJicfZBvW

    BLM had a point when it started but it was hijacked by, what I believe, is a few who have poisoned some of the good in the movement (and I might add, the movement itself has been slow to distance itself from some of the very anti-police rhetoric). 




    I'm curious as to your opinion regarding lack of witness cooperation as it pertains to charges/pleas/value of cases, and as it breaks down by race-
    The video above is an example. Two people agreeing doesn' make it true, but they seem to have a strong opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Both. 

    I posted the statistics for death penalty cases last week. Here is for "justifiable homicide." 

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/08/14/killings-of-black-men-by-whites-are-far-more-likely-to-be-ruled-justifiable?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=opening-statement&utm_term=newsletter-20170814-821#.lJicfZBvW

    BLM had a point when it started but it was hijacked by, what I believe, is a few who have poisoned some of the good in the movement (and I might add, the movement itself has been slow to distance itself from some of the very anti-police rhetoric). 




    I'm curious as to your opinion regarding lack of witness cooperation as it pertains to charges/pleas/value of cases, and as it breaks down by race-
    The video above is an example. Two people agreeing doesn' make it true, but they seem to have a strong opinion.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:30 PM ET #86

    Absolutely there is truth to this. We can assume that the majority of the witnesses were also black, but that is a fact that is not known. 

    I do know that many minorities have a distrust of the legal system and that likely impacts the issue as well. 

    The flip side of this (which was not stated by Gawdy and barely referenced) is the resource dedication. I've seen a lot of cases of witness protection that are sadly disproportionate based on race not to mention the type of investigation conducted by the government. 

    Lack of cooperation has certainly hurt in bringing black on black killers to justice but as stated above, other factors are often at play as well. 




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    Absolutely there is truth to this. We can assume that the majority of the witnesses were also black, but that is a fact that is not known. 

    I do know that many minorities have a distrust of the legal system and that likely impacts the issue as well. 

    The flip side of this (which was not stated by Gawdy and barely referenced) is the resource dedication. I've seen a lot of cases of witness protection that are sadly disproportionate based on race not to mention the type of investigation conducted by the government. 

    Lack of cooperation has certainly hurt in bringing black on black killers to justice but as stated above, other factors are often at play as well. 




     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:35 PM ET #87

    There are more justifiable homicides because black men are so much more likely to be violent criminals. This fact is the reasoning that leads to the "justifiable" verdict. 

    In 2012, 4,631 whites were arrested for homicides and 5,095 blacks were arrested for homicides. 

    There are nearly 200,000,000 white people in this country. There are 46,000,000 black people. 


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    There are more justifiable homicides because black men are so much more likely to be violent criminals. This fact is the reasoning that leads to the "justifiable" verdict. 

    In 2012, 4,631 whites were arrested for homicides and 5,095 blacks were arrested for homicides. 

    There are nearly 200,000,000 white people in this country. There are 46,000,000 black people. 


     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:40 PM ET #88

    Blacks are so much more likely to be doing something that would justify a homicide. 

    They commit a disproportionate amount of murder. A disproportionate amount of theft. A disproportionate amount of trespassing. A disproportionate amount of violent crime. 

    This all has to be taken into account and it never is in articles like the one djbrow posted. 
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    Blacks are so much more likely to be doing something that would justify a homicide. 

    They commit a disproportionate amount of murder. A disproportionate amount of theft. A disproportionate amount of trespassing. A disproportionate amount of violent crime. 

    This all has to be taken into account and it never is in articles like the one djbrow posted. 
     
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    Actually, crime is more associated with socio-economic status than race. 

    With that said, the article I cited showed statistics based on percentage. So, statistically, when a black man is killed by a white police officer, the officer is more likely to avoid a homicide charge than when a white police officer kills a white man.

    It is not based on sheer numbers (because more whites are killed by police each year than blacks). 

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    Actually, crime is more associated with socio-economic status than race. 

    With that said, the article I cited showed statistics based on percentage. So, statistically, when a black man is killed by a white police officer, the officer is more likely to avoid a homicide charge than when a white police officer kills a white man.

    It is not based on sheer numbers (because more whites are killed by police each year than blacks). 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:48 PM ET #90

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Blacks are so much more likely to be doing something that would justify a homicide. 


    You mean like whistling at a white woman?

    I'm sure you miss those good old days. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Blacks are so much more likely to be doing something that would justify a homicide. 


    You mean like whistling at a white woman?

    I'm sure you miss those good old days. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:49 PM ET #91

    It is because blacks are more likely to be doing something that would justify the homicides. 

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    It is because blacks are more likely to be doing something that would justify the homicides. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2017 - 11:55 PM ET #92

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Actually, crime is more associated with socio-economic status than race. 


    Right on. SJW's tend to forget that. It's sad that black and poor have become synonymous with one another. 

    28% of blacks live in poverty compared to 10% of whites. 

    A disproportionate amount of blacks live in poverty. A disproportionate amount of blacks commit violent crimes. A disproportionate amount of blacks are in prison. A disproportionate amount of blacks are killed by police. 

    So the question becomes, why are black people disproportionately poor? 

    Raising kids in broken homes and the welfare state. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Actually, crime is more associated with socio-economic status than race. 


    Right on. SJW's tend to forget that. It's sad that black and poor have become synonymous with one another. 

    28% of blacks live in poverty compared to 10% of whites. 

    A disproportionate amount of blacks live in poverty. A disproportionate amount of blacks commit violent crimes. A disproportionate amount of blacks are in prison. A disproportionate amount of blacks are killed by police. 

    So the question becomes, why are black people disproportionately poor? 

    Raising kids in broken homes and the welfare state. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2017 - 12:02 AM ET #93

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Absolutely there is truth to this. We can assume that the majority of the witnesses were also black, but that is a fact that is not known. 

    I do know that many minorities have a distrust of the legal system and that likely impacts the issue as well. 

    The flip side of this (which was not stated by Gawdy and barely referenced) is the resource dedication. I've seen a lot of cases of witness protection that are sadly disproportionate based on race not to mention the type of investigation conducted by the government. 

    Lack of cooperation has certainly hurt in bringing black on black killers to justice but as stated above, other factors are often at play as well. 





    Interesting-
    Any data to back up the idea of fewer resources and lesser investigations based on race?


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    Absolutely there is truth to this. We can assume that the majority of the witnesses were also black, but that is a fact that is not known. 

    I do know that many minorities have a distrust of the legal system and that likely impacts the issue as well. 

    The flip side of this (which was not stated by Gawdy and barely referenced) is the resource dedication. I've seen a lot of cases of witness protection that are sadly disproportionate based on race not to mention the type of investigation conducted by the government. 

    Lack of cooperation has certainly hurt in bringing black on black killers to justice but as stated above, other factors are often at play as well. 





    Interesting-
    Any data to back up the idea of fewer resources and lesser investigations based on race?


     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2017 - 12:04 AM ET #94

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    You mean like whistling at a white woman?

    I'm sure you miss those good old days. 

    You're better than this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    You mean like whistling at a white woman?

    I'm sure you miss those good old days. 

    You're better than this...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2017 - 12:28 AM ET #95

    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:


    You're better than this...

    If the shoe fits....

    I'm sure you're just holding back on commenting to him 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:


    You're better than this...

    If the shoe fits....

    I'm sure you're just holding back on commenting to him 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:


    Interesting-
    Any data to back up the idea of fewer resources and lesser investigations based on race?



    Absolutely. All one has to do is look at the resources prosecutors receive in urban vs. suburban areas. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:


    Interesting-
    Any data to back up the idea of fewer resources and lesser investigations based on race?



    Absolutely. All one has to do is look at the resources prosecutors receive in urban vs. suburban areas. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Absolutely. All one has to do is look at the resources prosecutors receive in urban vs. suburban areas. 

    That's kind of a broad brush don't you think?
    You'd think that a city/county could account for resources expended per case- that would make it easy-


    I'm not saying I doubt it, but numbers make sense to me-
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Absolutely. All one has to do is look at the resources prosecutors receive in urban vs. suburban areas. 

    That's kind of a broad brush don't you think?
    You'd think that a city/county could account for resources expended per case- that would make it easy-


    I'm not saying I doubt it, but numbers make sense to me-
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:


    That's kind of a broad brush don't you think?
    You'd think that a city/county could account for resources expended per case- that would make it easy-


    I'm not saying I doubt it, but numbers make sense to me-

    Not hard if you use certain comparisons.

    A state subsidized hospital in the city has far more patients with similar resources as a suburban one. 

    Same with prosecutorial offices. 

    Plenty of studies out there on this. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:


    That's kind of a broad brush don't you think?
    You'd think that a city/county could account for resources expended per case- that would make it easy-


    I'm not saying I doubt it, but numbers make sense to me-

    Not hard if you use certain comparisons.

    A state subsidized hospital in the city has far more patients with similar resources as a suburban one. 

    Same with prosecutorial offices. 

    Plenty of studies out there on this. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    If the shoe fits....

    I'm sure you're just holding back on commenting to him 

    Nah- Detox is a good guy-
    I don't see him as a racist-
    He definitely points out the shortcomings as it pertains to government policies and blacks-
    But, he's not a racist- actually, to the contrary-

    Why won't anyone address the points he makes?
    They are valid points, but no-one wants to take them on, citing technicalities..

    Kind of like the murders in Chicago- we go apeshyte over one police shooting a month, but in Chicago, there's a shooting a f*cking hour-
    Where are the marches and protests?

    Always one reason or another to not address the elephant shyting in the fireplace...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ZRj_a_2qM








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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    If the shoe fits....

    I'm sure you're just holding back on commenting to him 

    Nah- Detox is a good guy-
    I don't see him as a racist-
    He definitely points out the shortcomings as it pertains to government policies and blacks-
    But, he's not a racist- actually, to the contrary-

    Why won't anyone address the points he makes?
    They are valid points, but no-one wants to take them on, citing technicalities..

    Kind of like the murders in Chicago- we go apeshyte over one police shooting a month, but in Chicago, there's a shooting a f*cking hour-
    Where are the marches and protests?

    Always one reason or another to not address the elephant shyting in the fireplace...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ZRj_a_2qM








     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Not hard if you use certain comparisons.

    A state subsidized hospital in the city has far more patients with similar resources as a suburban one. 

    Same with prosecutorial offices. 

    Plenty of studies out there on this. 

    The hospital analogy makes sense to me-
    As I say, I don't doubt it, but then to make change, you have to be able to prove (you know better than me)-


    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Not hard if you use certain comparisons.

    A state subsidized hospital in the city has far more patients with similar resources as a suburban one. 

    Same with prosecutorial offices. 

    Plenty of studies out there on this. 

    The hospital analogy makes sense to me-
    As I say, I don't doubt it, but then to make change, you have to be able to prove (you know better than me)-


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