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    Good luck being a defendant in the U.S. court system....as a black male

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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2017 - 8:06 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

     70% of black kids are raised in broken homes because of the welfare state pushed by democrats. 

    Just plain dumb. You are far smarter than this. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

     70% of black kids are raised in broken homes because of the welfare state pushed by democrats. 

    Just plain dumb. You are far smarter than this. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2017 - 9:28 PM ET #27

    There's a clear correlation between the rise of the welfare state and the rise in percentage of broken homes in the black community.

    If you don't think welfare has made the family unit weaker, you're insane.
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    There's a clear correlation between the rise of the welfare state and the rise in percentage of broken homes in the black community.

    If you don't think welfare has made the family unit weaker, you're insane.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2017 - 11:30 PM ET #28

    Also, 9/10, when a black is the victim, the perp is black. So if the sentences are weaker when a black is the victim, it's benefiting black criminals. 
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    Also, 9/10, when a black is the victim, the perp is black. So if the sentences are weaker when a black is the victim, it's benefiting black criminals. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2017 - 11:28 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    I think he's saying that if you rob a white man your sentence will be more harsh than if you rob a black man. 

    I remember watching Trey Gowdy question a prosecutor.  They agreed that there was a discrepancy in punishment.  The reason was thought to be due to lesser charges/weaker cases in the case of African Americans due to less cooperation by witnesses.  I have no idea if facts bear this out, but Gowdy (a former prosecutor) usually has a pretty good command of facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    I think he's saying that if you rob a white man your sentence will be more harsh than if you rob a black man. 

    I remember watching Trey Gowdy question a prosecutor.  They agreed that there was a discrepancy in punishment.  The reason was thought to be due to lesser charges/weaker cases in the case of African Americans due to less cooperation by witnesses.  I have no idea if facts bear this out, but Gowdy (a former prosecutor) usually has a pretty good command of facts.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2017 - 3:54 PM ET #30

    Funny when someone says "that's just dumb" but is incable of providing a rebuttal. 
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    Funny when someone says "that's just dumb" but is incable of providing a rebuttal. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 11:55 AM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Funny when someone says "that's just dumb" but is incable of providing a rebuttal. 

    I'm plenty capable. There is no correlation between the two, period. There is a cause and effect (single parent homes=one earner=more likely to receive assistance). 

    Maybe you don't understand the difference between causation (your premise) and cause and effect (reality). 


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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Funny when someone says "that's just dumb" but is incable of providing a rebuttal. 

    I'm plenty capable. There is no correlation between the two, period. There is a cause and effect (single parent homes=one earner=more likely to receive assistance). 

    Maybe you don't understand the difference between causation (your premise) and cause and effect (reality). 


     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 1:45 PM ET #32

    70 percent of all black children today are born to an unmarried mom, a three-fold increase in that rate since the 1960s. 

    Why? 

    Because of welfare. 
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    70 percent of all black children today are born to an unmarried mom, a three-fold increase in that rate since the 1960s. 

    Why? 

    Because of welfare. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 1:50 PM ET #33

    Let me hear your reasons for the three-fold increase. 

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    Let me hear your reasons for the three-fold increase. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 5:42 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    70 percent of all black children today are born to an unmarried mom, a three-fold increase in that rate since the 1960s. 

    Why? 

    Because of welfare. 

    Umm, its not because of welfare. It is because of sex. 

    You cannot possibly prove causation. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    70 percent of all black children today are born to an unmarried mom, a three-fold increase in that rate since the 1960s. 

    Why? 

    Because of welfare. 

    Umm, its not because of welfare. It is because of sex. 

    You cannot possibly prove causation. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 5:45 PM ET #35

    It's because  of absentee fathers.........
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    It's because  of absentee fathers.........
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 6:06 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Umm, its not because of welfare. It is because of sex. 

    You cannot possibly prove causation. 

    Why has it gone up three-fold at the same time welfare went wild? 

    Your response is that it's because of sex? As if there was not sex prior to 1960s. 

    I don't expect a reasonable response, it would require a thought process that leads to an answer that you're not comfortable with, I understand. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Umm, its not because of welfare. It is because of sex. 

    You cannot possibly prove causation. 

    Why has it gone up three-fold at the same time welfare went wild? 

    Your response is that it's because of sex? As if there was not sex prior to 1960s. 

    I don't expect a reasonable response, it would require a thought process that leads to an answer that you're not comfortable with, I understand. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 6:10 PM ET #37

    You'll never see a Democrat provide a reasonable answer to this question. WallStreet can't provide a reasonable answer. Scalabrine can't provide a reasonable answer. djbrow can't provide a reasonable answer. 

    Why? 

    Because the only answer goes against everything they believe in. 

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    You'll never see a Democrat provide a reasonable answer to this question. WallStreet can't provide a reasonable answer. Scalabrine can't provide a reasonable answer. djbrow can't provide a reasonable answer. 

    Why? 

    Because the only answer goes against everything they believe in. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 6:16 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Why has it gone up three-fold at the same time welfare went wild? 

    Your response is that it's because of sex? As if there was not sex prior to 1960s. 

    I don't expect a reasonable response, it would require a thought process that leads to an answer that you're not comfortable with, I understand. 


    I could argue that the reason is increased access to prenatal health care for minorities which has also increased. 

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK214476/

    I'm not suggesting this is the reason, but it is more plausible than your "hypothesis."

    You see, those that are intellectual and educated understand that you cannot simply create your own hypothesis and argue its truth without factual support. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Why has it gone up three-fold at the same time welfare went wild? 

    Your response is that it's because of sex? As if there was not sex prior to 1960s. 

    I don't expect a reasonable response, it would require a thought process that leads to an answer that you're not comfortable with, I understand. 


    I could argue that the reason is increased access to prenatal health care for minorities which has also increased. 

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK214476/

    I'm not suggesting this is the reason, but it is more plausible than your "hypothesis."

    You see, those that are intellectual and educated understand that you cannot simply create your own hypothesis and argue its truth without factual support. 


     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 6:18 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You'll never see a Democrat provide a reasonable answer to this question. WallStreet can't provide a reasonable answer. Scalabrine can't provide a reasonable answer. djbrow can't provide a reasonable answer. 

    Why? 

    Because the only answer goes against everything they believe in. 


    No, its just that I don't see the world in black and white and unlike you and your white agenda, I don't blame the minorities and immigrants for everything wrong in my life. 

    Hang in there buddy. Things will turn around for you. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You'll never see a Democrat provide a reasonable answer to this question. WallStreet can't provide a reasonable answer. Scalabrine can't provide a reasonable answer. djbrow can't provide a reasonable answer. 

    Why? 

    Because the only answer goes against everything they believe in. 


    No, its just that I don't see the world in black and white and unlike you and your white agenda, I don't blame the minorities and immigrants for everything wrong in my life. 

    Hang in there buddy. Things will turn around for you. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 6:28 PM ET #40

    Speaking of intellectual and intelligent, have you ever heard of Thomas Sowell? 

    He is currently Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He received a bachelor's degree, graduating magna juice laude from Harvard University in 1958 and a master's degree from Columbia University in 1959. In 1968, he earned his Doctorate in Economics from the University of Chicago.

    Oh, and he's black. 

    Here's an article from 2015 

    Blame the welfare state, not racism, for poor blacks' problems: Thomas Sowell

    https://www.pennlive.com/articles/15919992/poor_blacks_looking_for_someon.amp


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    Speaking of intellectual and intelligent, have you ever heard of Thomas Sowell? 

    He is currently Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He received a bachelor's degree, graduating magna juice laude from Harvard University in 1958 and a master's degree from Columbia University in 1959. In 1968, he earned his Doctorate in Economics from the University of Chicago.

    Oh, and he's black. 

    Here's an article from 2015 

    Blame the welfare state, not racism, for poor blacks' problems: Thomas Sowell

    https://www.pennlive.com/articles/15919992/poor_blacks_looking_for_someon.amp


     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 6:29 PM ET #41

    When you can't win a debate, what do Democrats do? 

    Personal attacks. 

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    When you can't win a debate, what do Democrats do? 

    Personal attacks. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 6:43 PM ET #42

    When a right wing zealot cannot win a debate or when it is pointed out that they cannot produce facts to support their agenda, they simply cry a phony personal attack when there is none. 

    Until you can post a factual basis for your 'hypothesis,' I'm done with this discussion. 

    It is a waste of my time to debate something that isn't supported by facts. 
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    When a right wing zealot cannot win a debate or when it is pointed out that they cannot produce facts to support their agenda, they simply cry a phony personal attack when there is none. 

    Until you can post a factual basis for your 'hypothesis,' I'm done with this discussion. 

    It is a waste of my time to debate something that isn't supported by facts. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 6:49 PM ET #43

    When you pay people for failing and then take that money away when they start succeeding, there is a problem. 


    I will provide you with facts and data when I have some more time. 

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    When you pay people for failing and then take that money away when they start succeeding, there is a problem. 


    I will provide you with facts and data when I have some more time. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 8:57 PM ET #44

    / Welfare reduces the financial need for marriage. Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, less-educated mothers have increasingly become married to the welfare state and to the U.S. taxpayer rather than to the fathers of their children.

    / As means-tested benefits expanded, welfare began to serve as a substitute for a husband in the home, and low-income marriage began to disappear. As husbands left the home, the need for more welfare to support single mothers increased. The War on Poverty created a destructive feedback loop: Welfare promoted the decline of marriage, which generated a need for more welfare.

    / A second major problem is that the means-tested welfare system actively penalizes low-income parents who do marry. All means-tested welfare programs are designed so that a family’s benefits are reduced as earnings rise. In practice, this means that, if a low-income single mother marries an employed father, her welfare benefits will generally be substantially reduced. The mother can maximize welfare by remaining unmarried and keeping the father’s income “off the books.”

    For example, a single mother with two children who earns $15,000 per year would generally receive around $5,200 per year of food stamp benefits. However, if she marries a father with the same earnings level, her food stamps would be cut to zero.

    / Overall, the federal government operates over 80 means-tested welfare programs that provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to poor and low-income individuals. Each program contains marriage penalties. 

    / Low-income families generally receive benefits from several programs at the same time. The marriage penalties from multiple programs when added together can provide substantial financial disincentives to marriage.

    / The anti-marriage penalty is the most severe among married couples where both parents are employed.

    / It has been over 60 years since Lyndon Johnson announced the so-called war on poverty, and $22 trillion dollars later, the overall poverty levels have not budged.

    / Before liberal policies took hold in the black community, 80% of black children were raised in two parent families with a married mother and father. Now 72% of black children are born out of wedlock and 66% are raised in single parent female headed households.

    / The anti-marriage incentives built into the welfare state are indefensible. Policymakers should reduce welfare’s anti-marriage penalties.

    / Democrats have destroyed the black community through welfare. 

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    / Welfare reduces the financial need for marriage. Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, less-educated mothers have increasingly become married to the welfare state and to the U.S. taxpayer rather than to the fathers of their children.

    / As means-tested benefits expanded, welfare began to serve as a substitute for a husband in the home, and low-income marriage began to disappear. As husbands left the home, the need for more welfare to support single mothers increased. The War on Poverty created a destructive feedback loop: Welfare promoted the decline of marriage, which generated a need for more welfare.

    / A second major problem is that the means-tested welfare system actively penalizes low-income parents who do marry. All means-tested welfare programs are designed so that a family’s benefits are reduced as earnings rise. In practice, this means that, if a low-income single mother marries an employed father, her welfare benefits will generally be substantially reduced. The mother can maximize welfare by remaining unmarried and keeping the father’s income “off the books.”

    For example, a single mother with two children who earns $15,000 per year would generally receive around $5,200 per year of food stamp benefits. However, if she marries a father with the same earnings level, her food stamps would be cut to zero.

    / Overall, the federal government operates over 80 means-tested welfare programs that provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to poor and low-income individuals. Each program contains marriage penalties. 

    / Low-income families generally receive benefits from several programs at the same time. The marriage penalties from multiple programs when added together can provide substantial financial disincentives to marriage.

    / The anti-marriage penalty is the most severe among married couples where both parents are employed.

    / It has been over 60 years since Lyndon Johnson announced the so-called war on poverty, and $22 trillion dollars later, the overall poverty levels have not budged.

    / Before liberal policies took hold in the black community, 80% of black children were raised in two parent families with a married mother and father. Now 72% of black children are born out of wedlock and 66% are raised in single parent female headed households.

    / The anti-marriage incentives built into the welfare state are indefensible. Policymakers should reduce welfare’s anti-marriage penalties.

    / Democrats have destroyed the black community through welfare. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 9:20 PM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    No, its just that I don't see the world in black and white 


    OP / BLM / SJW's and today's Democrats do. They would tell you that's your privilege talking. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    No, its just that I don't see the world in black and white 


    OP / BLM / SJW's and today's Democrats do. They would tell you that's your privilege talking. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 9:45 PM ET #46

    Interestingly, the earned income tax credit is also reduced if an individual marries.   One would think that the govt would be trying to promote marriage rather than discouraging it.
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    Interestingly, the earned income tax credit is also reduced if an individual marries.   One would think that the govt would be trying to promote marriage rather than discouraging it.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2017 - 10:11 PM ET #47

    How does the Black Lives Matter movement see the world in black & white when half the supporters are white? That's what never get's brought up by all of you "black lives matters is a hate group, same as the clan.." shouters. Go to any speech, any rally, any riot and you'll see black and white together.
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    How does the Black Lives Matter movement see the world in black & white when half the supporters are white? That's what never get's brought up by all of you "black lives matters is a hate group, same as the clan.." shouters. Go to any speech, any rally, any riot and you'll see black and white together.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    How does the Black Lives Matter movement see the world in black & white when half the supporters are white? That's what never get's brought up by all of you "black lives matters is a hate group, same as the clan.." shouters. Go to any speech, any rally, any riot and you'll see black and white together.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Yqv8mnywU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYkvZodBRuY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZJOmtEH5Y0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-Cqkq6zWc

    Kind of a mixed bag...
    Not impressed...



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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    How does the Black Lives Matter movement see the world in black & white when half the supporters are white? That's what never get's brought up by all of you "black lives matters is a hate group, same as the clan.." shouters. Go to any speech, any rally, any riot and you'll see black and white together.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Yqv8mnywU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYkvZodBRuY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZJOmtEH5Y0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-Cqkq6zWc

    Kind of a mixed bag...
    Not impressed...



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    How does the Black Lives Matter movement see the world in black & white when half the supporters are white? That's what never get's brought up by all of you "black lives matters is a hate group, same as the clan.." shouters. Go to any speech, any rally, any riot and you'll see black and white together.


    i need to come up with my charitable contributions for the year.  usually, for two of them (of the three), the requirement is that they are good, strong conservative organizations.  of course, planned parenthood would be one.  and the other this year is going to be some black lives matter offshoot organization i heard about.  it's a nonprofit that focuses on monitoring police misconduct and holding them accountable for their actions.  i just need to find it again. 

    if i can't, i guess i can donate directly to black lives matters.  one of the all time great conservative organizations.  some might say they are spreading themselves too thin, but there are so many important causes to oppose the government.  here's a recent one they were involved in.  

    https://blacklivesmatter.com/solidarity-with-standing-rock/
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    How does the Black Lives Matter movement see the world in black & white when half the supporters are white? That's what never get's brought up by all of you "black lives matters is a hate group, same as the clan.." shouters. Go to any speech, any rally, any riot and you'll see black and white together.


    i need to come up with my charitable contributions for the year.  usually, for two of them (of the three), the requirement is that they are good, strong conservative organizations.  of course, planned parenthood would be one.  and the other this year is going to be some black lives matter offshoot organization i heard about.  it's a nonprofit that focuses on monitoring police misconduct and holding them accountable for their actions.  i just need to find it again. 

    if i can't, i guess i can donate directly to black lives matters.  one of the all time great conservative organizations.  some might say they are spreading themselves too thin, but there are so many important causes to oppose the government.  here's a recent one they were involved in.  

    https://blacklivesmatter.com/solidarity-with-standing-rock/
     
     
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    I'll send them $100 for helping to get TRUMP elected 
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    I'll send them $100 for helping to get TRUMP elected 
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