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@wallstreetcappers  So tell me what there is to celebrate and why the title is about Trump? By the very definition of ending the “human rights atrocities and the deaths of thousands” that you mentioned above. Is Trump as the focal point of the thread not a partisan take? Yes, you can say that because it is giving him credit and he is the Republican in charge that is helping broker this; or, you can say that it is just fact that he is the one doing it. Absolutely, if Biden had done it there would have been a thread to give him credit.  Does either have to be partisan. They can certainly be taken that way. But when someone questions this or comes into it to simply downplay it -- that part can only be seen as partisan.
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@ABooksNightmare  You did not answer my question and you just fall back on the sad mod card because I ask someone a question? If you feel a member is breaking the rules and especially member to member in a rule breaking way, please report it and there are many people who view and decide on those reports. This is the answer to your question and non-answer of mine.

 

 

Oh it was reported and you responded, a manager of the site...if this were a member of your group here your reply would have been much more counteractive and threats to immediately stop....you've done it countless times to me and others, but when I tell you that I find what is being said as offensive, antagonizing, insulting and provoking, you reply with some weak response to shapeshift it over to reporting it elsewhere....you are a mod and it was reported and you responded....double standards I say

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 I do not define peace as a stop of a one sided invasion and destruction, that is not peace that is a one sided cease fire. It would be like having two neighbors who hated each other for centuries, one decides to destroy the other because they felt they had cause even though there was no cause if you look at the situation from a long term NON PARTISAN perspective. Israel had no right to unilaterally invade, they did this without discussion from their alleged allies and community of nations and they did not consider other alternatives to a full out invasion. Then they lied with the reasoning and extended the invasion to other areas and to extremes which are completely unnecessary. Then they decide on their terms that they are ok to stop (allegedly but no question this is not over it never is) and then you folk call it peace.

I call it a thug invasion an atrocity an intentional human rights crime and a destruction of your enemy. That is not peace it is not serving any other side than that of Israel.

Does Palestine have their own independent country with full access and rights, freedoms the same way Israel does? This is not peace.

This thread was created to partisan divide per the title and the content, you cannot say "SURE" because of truth then try and divert from words I actually used to form a silly narrative. I said the thread was partisan which it is I said this is not peace which it is not. THIS is all I said...nothing else.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @ABooksNightmare  You did not answer my question and you just fall back on the sad mod card because I ask someone a question? If you feel a member is breaking the rules and especially member to member in a rule breaking way, please report it and there are many people who view and decide on those reports. This is the answer to your question and non-answer of mine.     Oh it was reported and you responded, a manager of the site...if this were a member of your group here your reply would have been much more counteractive and threats to immediately stop....you've done it countless times to me and others, but when I tell you that I find what is being said as offensive, antagonizing, insulting and provoking, you reply with some weak response to shapeshift it over to reporting it elsewhere....you are a mod and it was reported and you responded....double standards I say

Did you send in a member report for a site rules violation? I have no idea I am one of many who participate in that function, me saying the same thing over and over kinda tells you that either I have not seen your reports or that the reports you send in are sniffed out and erased. Does this not make sense to you? It should.

 
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 Back slapping someone you agree with and interjecting is not reporting a rules violation btw. Read post 16 then read post 19. When someone takes liberties and lies about content then they should be willing to prove their lie or retract it. If simple things are complex to you then that MIGHT be due to your biases in one direction and your blind support in another. If you want to try and come at me then do a better job or how about just not piling on and stick to the topic instead of targeting me.

 
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 I do not define peace as a stop of a one sided invasion and destruction, that is not peace that is a one sided cease fire.

I acknowledged that above.

Thankfully, you are not the one that determines the definition of 'peace' or 'ceasefire'.

If you were on the one brokering team that would be the side of the table you would sit on.  That is why in a 'peace' deal someone needs to sit in the middle of the table as well to broker these things.

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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare: Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @ABooksNightmare  You did not answer my question and you just fall back on the sad mod card because I ask someone a question? If you feel a member is breaking the rules and especially member to member in a rule breaking way, please report it and there are many people who view and decide on those reports. This is the answer to your question and non-answer of mine.     Oh it was reported and you responded, a manager of the site...if this were a member of your group here your reply would have been much more counteractive and threats to immediately stop....you've done it countless times to me and others, but when I tell you that I find what is being said as offensive, antagonizing, insulting and provoking, you reply with some weak response to shapeshift it over to reporting it elsewhere....you are a mod and it was reported and you responded....double standards I say Did you send in a member report for a site rules violation? I have no idea I am one of many who participate in that function, me saying the same thing over and over kinda tells you that either I have not seen your reports or that the reports you send in are sniffed out and erased. Does this not make sense to you? It should.
I notified you wally...and you read my question and above was your reply...you interact and interject with many posters in this forum when questions are asked and nowe all the sudden you want to act like there is only one official route to report...that is a joke

So I guess if I started calling posters pedophiles and rapists on this site that will be ok, right, even if they have repeatedly told me they are not? Hey, if I believe they are then there is nothing wrong, correct? That is essentially what you are stating....it's ok to call someone one thing if it is your group, but not ok if you think it is the group opposite of you....

 

And here you are demanding a poster retract a statement made about you because you claim it is false...oh the irony....what kind of make believe land do you operate in... 

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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

@ABooksNightmare  Back slapping someone you agree with and interjecting is not reporting a rules violation btw. Read post 16 then read post 19. When someone takes liberties and lies about content then they should be willing to prove their lie or retract it. If simple things are complex to you then that MIGHT be due to your biases in one direction and your blind support in another. If you want to try and come at me then do a better job or how about just not piling on and stick to the topic instead of targeting me.
You just proved the point. Lies were being spread about me and no supporting evidence was provided...I even asked for the receipts of one post I have made supporting Trump...just one...and it was crickets....what's that tell you? Your side likes to make false accusations about others that are directly insulting, antagonizing and provoking and you will do nothing about it...you make no sense whatsoever...I asked for their lie to be proven, just like you are...how is that different? It's not. 

 

My bias in one direction?....there you go again...accusing posters who have completely refuted any such claim, but you won't believe it...a continued battle here with you and most...the main person with that problem is you, let's get that straight....you are a hypocrite on this site.

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Posted: #34

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

@wallstreetcappers  I do not define peace as a stop of a one sided invasion and destruction, that is not peace that is a one sided cease fire. I acknowledged that above. Thankfully, you are not the one that determines the definition of 'peace' or 'ceasefire'. If you were on the one brokering team that would be the side of the table you would sit on.  That is why in a 'peace' deal someone needs to sit in the middle of the table as well to broker these things.

This is your retort that I am not at the table?

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This thread was created to partisan divide per the title and the content, you cannot say "SURE" because of truth then try and divert from words I actually used to form a silly narrative.

That is your perspective, of course.  Is it any different than the threads you guys create that are partisan?  So what?  People should not be so sensitive.  If you want to create discussion in sport or politics it will not happen from non-divisive topics.  What would be the point.

You can see that by the way you came in and made sure it was partisan by posting:

 Yeah hurrah for Trump, what the crap is this something to celebrate?

So, it worked.  Now there is discussion on both sides.

The only Left posters in this thread so far stared out by outright denying that Trump should deserve any credit and would certainly not win the Nobel for this because the voting was already done.  Then the next one questioned if it was even a 'peace deal' by definition.

No reasonable news pundit questions whether it is a 'peace deal'; no political or historian does either. 

They may question if it goes through or how long it will last; but none question if this is what it really is.

It is weird to not see this as something to be happy about ending.

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 Ok second time saying this...if a member breaks the rules the please send in a member report and allow COVERS to decide the course of action. Do I need to say this again? I can if you need me to. Outside of that there is no other action you should take. 

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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @wallstreetcappers  I do not define peace as a stop of a one sided invasion and destruction, that is not peace that is a one sided cease fire. I acknowledged that above. Thankfully, you are not the one that determines the definition of 'peace' or 'ceasefire'. If you were on the one brokering team that would be the side of the table you would sit on.  That is why in a 'peace' deal someone needs to sit in the middle of the table as well to broker these things. This is your retort that I am not at the table?

No.  It is my retort on which side of the negotiating table you would be seated at is all.

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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

@wallstreetcappers  I do not define peace as a stop of a one sided invasion and destruction, that is not peace that is a one sided cease fire. I acknowledged that above. Thankfully, you are not the one that determines the definition of 'peace' or 'ceasefire'. If you were on the one brokering team that would be the side of the table you would sit on.  That is why in a 'peace' deal someone needs to sit in the middle of the table as well to broker these things.
he is full of the middle...peace_5

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 Many things to say but I think me saying things is a waste of time because you are partisan and not able to look at the situation on its own, you seem to try and take all opportunities to congratulate and elevate Trump versus analyzing the reality and facts on their own. Trump did nothing here and especially so given his own words that he would end this the first day, well that did not happen and this is not final or lasting. Biden did not exclaim as Trump did that he could end it in a day, that was Trump. Biden did allow the invasion to proceed and I have my opinions as to why but that happened and Biden NOR congress NOR the UN NOR NATO did anything to stop the invasion so nobody stood up and tried to stop this. More importantly this is not finished this is not final it is not the end so claiming a victory lap on day 1 when this is a 3000 year situation is just a wee bit obtuse in my view especially since the concept of peace is not the stopping of one sided destruction, peace in my view is meant to be an outcome mutually and equally beneficial. Is Israel going to rebuild Gaza and stop being their gate keeper? Is Israel going to split the general land and work with the UN to mutually exist with Palestine having equal land and resources? 

This isnt about Trump and especially the disgusting title about Gaza associated with his resort (especially since the awful comments about real estate development of that area for profit), this is about Palestine and Israel not Trump and not back patting DAY ONE of an inevitable failure and the death of thousands of innocent people and the destruction of the homes and city where these people unfairly have to exist.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

@ABooksNightmare  Ok second time saying this...if a member breaks the rules the please send in a member report and allow COVERS to decide the course of action. Do I need to say this again? I can if you need me to. Outside of that there is no other action you should take.
But you are the judge jury and execution in here...why can't you take a stance on such erroneous acts taking place...I am demanding that you go in that thread where the questions were posed and ask that a full retraction be made at once...the acts were false and erroneous and were intentionally done to ruin my name, image and likeness...does any of this sound familiar because this is essentially what you are trying to preach to Raiders.....convenient for you huh, but when you are called out about it, you all the sudden have you cookie cutter replies knowing full well that you do have the power and control to do something about it, you just don't want to ....you wanna clean up the forum, try taking a gander into a mirror and try being a lot less of a hypocrite...let's try that for a week or a month and see how things changepeace_5

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 That is the point I am partisan, you are partisan -- that is how you at least try to discuss things.

Otherwise, you are just a cheerleader.  You have to have disagreement and the ability to critically-think with information and not just cheer a talking point, as it were.

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 So, to be clear:

If you were at the negotiating table you would have never agreed to this deal?

You would have never agreed to release the hostages?

 

 
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 There is no two sides here, there is one side and another which has no say, no rights, no utilities, no resources, no freedoms and have been degraded into dust. A negotiation is not one side saying they are done kicking the crap out of you so this thing is done and give me what I want or I will continue. This is a shake down with a gun pointing at the head of an innocent saying agree to my terms or I will continue to beat you into submission and destruction.

Do you have an understanding of the OT at all? Israel does not negotiate and make peace, this is not peace this is not negotiation. What side of the table I am on? There is no table there is no side there is a bully who is dictating terms to someone in a coma.

 
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This isn't about Trump

 

an_roll_laughNo, it certainly is not, but Raiders is correct that if this were Biden you and your side would be gloating about it in huge red font, but not giving credit where credit is due about at least an attempt at finding peace and brokering something is far better than sitting idly by and doing nothing....Raiders was on point about that...I could care less who or how it got going. Just the fact that there is something happening is something to celebrate and Raiders hit it spot on...enjoy the win no matter what, even if it was two giraffes and a monkey that got it going...but because so many have hate for the guy they can't see the light from the clutter they created....this is why most in here are a joke as it relates to politics and their slanted viewpoints....most things are bigger than your stupid party lines.

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 If a member is breaking the rules the action you take is to send in a member report, this is the way the site works. Or you can make a stomp thread in the penalty box and have fun belittling other people for your amusement.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

@wallstreetcappers  So, to be clear: If you were at the negotiating table you would have never agreed to this deal? You would have never agreed to release the hostages?

There is no table this is no deal there was no negotiation. Do I need to state this further? 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

@wallstreetcappers  That is the point I am partisan, you are partisan -- that is how you at least try to discuss things. Otherwise, you are just a cheerleader.  You have to have disagreement and the ability to critically-think with information and not just cheer a talking point, as it were.
Raiders is dropping truth serum today...I want to hire you for my next business event an_worship

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 Actually prove your post 44 please, prove I have done what you suggested. Go ahead and prove that with my words and then we can entertain your premise. Can you do that or are you just making a generalized partisan statement about me again?

 
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 So if someone is not partisan then they are a cheerleader? This is your conclusion?

Nice...

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

@ABooksNightmare  If a member is breaking the rules the action you take is to send in a member report, this is the way the site works. Or you can make a stomp thread in the penalty box and have fun belittling other people for your amusement.
But belittling in the Politics forum under your watchful eye and information proposed to you is also obviously ok....gotcha...will this also be a public service announcement? Maybe we can pin this at the top of this forum so everyone can see your words of encouragement. The man from Arizona yields his time back....

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