Ho him just another labor day weekend Source Chicago Tribune CNS evening news Chicago run by the Democrats for decades jas the toughest gun laws of any other city. Toughest gun laws + highest victim counts equals the Democratic controlled cities.
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Ho him just another labor day weekend Source Chicago Tribune CNS evening news Chicago run by the Democrats for decades jas the toughest gun laws of any other city. Toughest gun laws + highest victim counts equals the Democratic controlled cities.
Good point Nature, lots of good people in need of organs from the gangbangers getting whacked daily... This is a national disgrace but the media largely ignores it because of the OP's main point. Run by dems for decades, it would only get some attention if it was a Repub city in Texas...
Good point Nature, lots of good people in need of organs from the gangbangers getting whacked daily... This is a national disgrace but the media largely ignores it because of the OP's main point. Run by dems for decades, it would only get some attention if it was a Repub city in Texas...
It's like he and the democrats pulled the trigger themselves.
the issue with gang violence is not about gun laws or partisan issues. It is a combination of poverty and culture. These inner city environments are often war zones with children growing up in violence and resulting in ptsd like mentality. This poverty culture lacks education, good early childhood care and development, role models for success, connection with the criminal justice and other systems from an early age, this list goes on.
Putting more guns won't solve the fundamental problems of the inner cities nor would a change in partisan politics. It's time to get real folks. Politics, and politicians can't fix this. It starts with the parents, the family, culture and environment. It's not something that more handouts or less handouts will fix. I also believe that the effect of gun laws vary from environment to environment. So to make such blanket broad strokes statements about guns making things less or more safe seems unrealistic. More guns in an already violent environment will probably make it worse while more guns on certain specific situations might make a positive difference.
Obama's fault
It's like he and the democrats pulled the trigger themselves.
the issue with gang violence is not about gun laws or partisan issues. It is a combination of poverty and culture. These inner city environments are often war zones with children growing up in violence and resulting in ptsd like mentality. This poverty culture lacks education, good early childhood care and development, role models for success, connection with the criminal justice and other systems from an early age, this list goes on.
Putting more guns won't solve the fundamental problems of the inner cities nor would a change in partisan politics. It's time to get real folks. Politics, and politicians can't fix this. It starts with the parents, the family, culture and environment. It's not something that more handouts or less handouts will fix. I also believe that the effect of gun laws vary from environment to environment. So to make such blanket broad strokes statements about guns making things less or more safe seems unrealistic. More guns in an already violent environment will probably make it worse while more guns on certain specific situations might make a positive difference.
Taking guns from law abiding citizens doesn't seem to be working in Chicago. Law abiding citizens are becoming victims due to police overwhelmed body count say it takes a sharp detectiveteam to solve a homicide with enough evidence to hold up in court. 50 teams just working homicide. But the layers of crime drug dealing robberies assaults rapes arson thefts all rest of the crimes police presence would be at a level of 500000 PD. But it is known the main gangs linked to 86% of all crime. And known it is allowed?... Well who profits Hospitals....
Taking guns from law abiding citizens doesn't seem to be working in Chicago. Law abiding citizens are becoming victims due to police overwhelmed body count say it takes a sharp detectiveteam to solve a homicide with enough evidence to hold up in court. 50 teams just working homicide. But the layers of crime drug dealing robberies assaults rapes arson thefts all rest of the crimes police presence would be at a level of 500000 PD. But it is known the main gangs linked to 86% of all crime. And known it is allowed?... Well who profits Hospitals....
Taking guns is not going to fix the gang problem. Flooding the already violent environment is not a fox either and might actually make it worse.
These inner city environments are like being in a totally different conditions. To think that more guns would mean less deaths of innocent people would apply the same way as another context doesn't work. But to address the real problem would be to address the poverty and cultural issue. There is a racial component to it but to me the blm movement has it wrong in that the result of black people and police isn't just racism of black people being targeted but it is a more complex problem with no easy solution like putting more guns into the community or shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic with partisan change.
I am also not sure how hospitals profit. Especially in areas where people may not be insured. If anything they lose money and resources eating costs of these trauma patients. Maybe I'm wrong but can you explain the logic of your statement?
Taking guns is not going to fix the gang problem. Flooding the already violent environment is not a fox either and might actually make it worse.
These inner city environments are like being in a totally different conditions. To think that more guns would mean less deaths of innocent people would apply the same way as another context doesn't work. But to address the real problem would be to address the poverty and cultural issue. There is a racial component to it but to me the blm movement has it wrong in that the result of black people and police isn't just racism of black people being targeted but it is a more complex problem with no easy solution like putting more guns into the community or shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic with partisan change.
I am also not sure how hospitals profit. Especially in areas where people may not be insured. If anything they lose money and resources eating costs of these trauma patients. Maybe I'm wrong but can you explain the logic of your statement?
It's like he and the democrats pulled the trigger themselves.
the issue with gang violence is not about gun laws or partisan issues. It is a combination of poverty and culture. These inner city environments are often war zones with children growing up in violence and resulting in ptsd like mentality. This poverty culture lacks education, good early childhood care and development, role models for success, connection with the criminal justice and other systems from an early age, this list goes on.
Putting more guns won't solve the fundamental problems of the inner cities nor would a change in partisan politics. It's time to get real folks. Politics, and politicians can't fix this. It starts with the parents, the family, culture and environment. It's not something that more handouts or less handouts will fix. I also believe that the effect of gun laws vary from environment to environment. So to make such blanket broad strokes statements about guns making things less or more safe seems unrealistic. More guns in an already violent environment will probably make it worse while more guns on certain specific situations might make a positive difference.
Nature1970 wasn’t saying more guns would solve the problem. He was
saying the toughest gun laws in America don’t work at stopping gun
violence.
Wow, liberals are so childlike. Gangs, poverty, culture, lack of education all a problem under democrat control. And it’s someone else’s fault. It must be nice for democrats to be in charge and never be responsible. No matter what happens - it is someone else’s fault.
Republicans want to combat gangs and thug behavior. That’s racist. Republicans say blacks and Hispanics have a culture problem. That’s racist. The US spends 600 billion a year on education. Republicans believe it’s not a money problem - It’s a culture problem. But that’s racist.
Democrats enable bad parenting. Raise children in unhealthy environments. Enable and defend thug culture. Enable and defend single parent households. Promote reliance on government programs - instead of self reliance and strong work ethic. Promote anti-police rhetoric. Perpetuate the victim mentality. Republicans speak out about these issues. But that’s racist.
How do democrats expect teachers to teach when the kids of democrats are taught at home that’s it’s cool to be a thug, OK to have kids out of wedlock, disrespect authority, break the law, collect government checks, speak Ebonics, and scream fukk the police. I know - that’s racist.
The US spends more money on education than any other country in the world. No amount of money will fix the problem until democrats wake up and realize they are the cause of the problems. But that’s racist to say, right. Nothing will change until the truth stops being called racist by democrats.
Quote Originally Posted by dl36:
Obama's fault
It's like he and the democrats pulled the trigger themselves.
the issue with gang violence is not about gun laws or partisan issues. It is a combination of poverty and culture. These inner city environments are often war zones with children growing up in violence and resulting in ptsd like mentality. This poverty culture lacks education, good early childhood care and development, role models for success, connection with the criminal justice and other systems from an early age, this list goes on.
Putting more guns won't solve the fundamental problems of the inner cities nor would a change in partisan politics. It's time to get real folks. Politics, and politicians can't fix this. It starts with the parents, the family, culture and environment. It's not something that more handouts or less handouts will fix. I also believe that the effect of gun laws vary from environment to environment. So to make such blanket broad strokes statements about guns making things less or more safe seems unrealistic. More guns in an already violent environment will probably make it worse while more guns on certain specific situations might make a positive difference.
Nature1970 wasn’t saying more guns would solve the problem. He was
saying the toughest gun laws in America don’t work at stopping gun
violence.
Wow, liberals are so childlike. Gangs, poverty, culture, lack of education all a problem under democrat control. And it’s someone else’s fault. It must be nice for democrats to be in charge and never be responsible. No matter what happens - it is someone else’s fault.
Republicans want to combat gangs and thug behavior. That’s racist. Republicans say blacks and Hispanics have a culture problem. That’s racist. The US spends 600 billion a year on education. Republicans believe it’s not a money problem - It’s a culture problem. But that’s racist.
Democrats enable bad parenting. Raise children in unhealthy environments. Enable and defend thug culture. Enable and defend single parent households. Promote reliance on government programs - instead of self reliance and strong work ethic. Promote anti-police rhetoric. Perpetuate the victim mentality. Republicans speak out about these issues. But that’s racist.
How do democrats expect teachers to teach when the kids of democrats are taught at home that’s it’s cool to be a thug, OK to have kids out of wedlock, disrespect authority, break the law, collect government checks, speak Ebonics, and scream fukk the police. I know - that’s racist.
The US spends more money on education than any other country in the world. No amount of money will fix the problem until democrats wake up and realize they are the cause of the problems. But that’s racist to say, right. Nothing will change until the truth stops being called racist by democrats.
GOP historically have been known for creating the conditions that create these environments. This can rage from increases criminalization, like with crack vs cocaine to cutting programs to help with the community like school lunch and the famous Nancy Reagan calling ketchup a vegetable.
But as I said before, this is a complex problem that neither democrats or republicans can solve and solve alone with government. This is a key problem with those that are caught in a polarized view point of one party being the problem and the other being the solution.
In my experince in working with inner city individuals and families, I honestly believe that government and partisan parties alone are not the solution. In fact I would argue that those obsessed with saying one party is the problem and their party is the solution is a part of the problem.
It is such a complex issue as it is cultural, economic, environmental, political, racial, historical and so much goes into it But solutions do not always seem logical or make sense to those not in it. It is easy to stand on the outside and judge and pronosticating me problems and solutions.
One example would be housing for the homeless population that is dual diagnosis in that they have both a mental illness and drug problem. I always assumed that if you get them to manage their mental illness and get off the drugs than they will be able to be housed. If not they are not ready for stable housing and it will fall apart. But what reality shows us is quite the opposite.
The best outcomes happen when you offer housing first and the right supports that the individuals are then able to address their drug and mental illness issues more sucessfully in a safe and stable environment. That treatment works better once the person is housed and that creating safety and stability is key. This is a key piece of what is missing in the inner cities in their families, in their neighborhoods and in their culture, safety and stability. And neither party is going to just make that happen. So to argue about which party is better is missing the point entirely.
GOP historically have been known for creating the conditions that create these environments. This can rage from increases criminalization, like with crack vs cocaine to cutting programs to help with the community like school lunch and the famous Nancy Reagan calling ketchup a vegetable.
But as I said before, this is a complex problem that neither democrats or republicans can solve and solve alone with government. This is a key problem with those that are caught in a polarized view point of one party being the problem and the other being the solution.
In my experince in working with inner city individuals and families, I honestly believe that government and partisan parties alone are not the solution. In fact I would argue that those obsessed with saying one party is the problem and their party is the solution is a part of the problem.
It is such a complex issue as it is cultural, economic, environmental, political, racial, historical and so much goes into it But solutions do not always seem logical or make sense to those not in it. It is easy to stand on the outside and judge and pronosticating me problems and solutions.
One example would be housing for the homeless population that is dual diagnosis in that they have both a mental illness and drug problem. I always assumed that if you get them to manage their mental illness and get off the drugs than they will be able to be housed. If not they are not ready for stable housing and it will fall apart. But what reality shows us is quite the opposite.
The best outcomes happen when you offer housing first and the right supports that the individuals are then able to address their drug and mental illness issues more sucessfully in a safe and stable environment. That treatment works better once the person is housed and that creating safety and stability is key. This is a key piece of what is missing in the inner cities in their families, in their neighborhoods and in their culture, safety and stability. And neither party is going to just make that happen. So to argue about which party is better is missing the point entirely.
You liberals like to overcomplicate things. There is a right side and a wrong side. There is a right answer and a wrong answer. There is no grey area or middle ground. When one side promotes speaking English, two parent households, marriage, manners, moral values, family values, self reliance, personal responsibility, safety and security, and law and order. And the other doesn’t believe in personal responsibility and promotes the victim mentality, profanity, Ebonics, single parenting, free range parenting, polygamy, incivility, and believes safety and security, and law and order are racist - there’s one said that’s right and one side that’s wrong.
To deny reality is the major problem. Until the truth and reality becomes - not PC - the problem will never be fixed. Denial will never get anything changed. That theory has been proven time and time again to be a failure. You can’t expect to give a mentally unstable druggie a handout and expect a positive result. The leftist idea that the trophy must come first before the hard work is ludicrous. The war on poverty has cost over 30 trillion. No amount of freebies or handouts is going to change anything. There will never be safety or stability in democrat neighborhoods. No amount of money will fix it.
The American dream comes with a mentality. It’s a way of life. Democrats need a dramatic shift in attitude in order for things to improve. No amount of money is going to fix anything as long as democrats continue promoting victimization, lawlessness, and government assistance etc. The democrat platform must go through a complete overhaul. Things like obey the law, respect law enforcement, patriotism, proper conduct, professional conduct, family, civility, morality, ethics, self reliance, enhancing personal responsibility etc. must be taught to democrats. Until these changes are implemented into the democratic platform - things will remain the same. It’s not a complex issue at all. It’s quite simple. It’s amazing what a change in attitude and beliefs can do.
You liberals like to overcomplicate things. There is a right side and a wrong side. There is a right answer and a wrong answer. There is no grey area or middle ground. When one side promotes speaking English, two parent households, marriage, manners, moral values, family values, self reliance, personal responsibility, safety and security, and law and order. And the other doesn’t believe in personal responsibility and promotes the victim mentality, profanity, Ebonics, single parenting, free range parenting, polygamy, incivility, and believes safety and security, and law and order are racist - there’s one said that’s right and one side that’s wrong.
To deny reality is the major problem. Until the truth and reality becomes - not PC - the problem will never be fixed. Denial will never get anything changed. That theory has been proven time and time again to be a failure. You can’t expect to give a mentally unstable druggie a handout and expect a positive result. The leftist idea that the trophy must come first before the hard work is ludicrous. The war on poverty has cost over 30 trillion. No amount of freebies or handouts is going to change anything. There will never be safety or stability in democrat neighborhoods. No amount of money will fix it.
The American dream comes with a mentality. It’s a way of life. Democrats need a dramatic shift in attitude in order for things to improve. No amount of money is going to fix anything as long as democrats continue promoting victimization, lawlessness, and government assistance etc. The democrat platform must go through a complete overhaul. Things like obey the law, respect law enforcement, patriotism, proper conduct, professional conduct, family, civility, morality, ethics, self reliance, enhancing personal responsibility etc. must be taught to democrats. Until these changes are implemented into the democratic platform - things will remain the same. It’s not a complex issue at all. It’s quite simple. It’s amazing what a change in attitude and beliefs can do.
The thing about homeless dual diagnosis treatment is based on facts and numbers and not from a view point of extreme polarization.
The reality is that safety and stability is not about handouts or no hand outs. Over simplification based on partisan rhetoric is a part of the problem. The inability to see the solution comes from an inability to understand the problem.
And government, no matter dem or GOP is neither the problem nor the solution. No being able to see that is why this country is stuck. But the effects of poverty and culture is not just an American thing, you see it in other countries around the world. So in the absence of the American dem/GOP antics the same problems exist
The thing about homeless dual diagnosis treatment is based on facts and numbers and not from a view point of extreme polarization.
The reality is that safety and stability is not about handouts or no hand outs. Over simplification based on partisan rhetoric is a part of the problem. The inability to see the solution comes from an inability to understand the problem.
And government, no matter dem or GOP is neither the problem nor the solution. No being able to see that is why this country is stuck. But the effects of poverty and culture is not just an American thing, you see it in other countries around the world. So in the absence of the American dem/GOP antics the same problems exist
I found this perspective fascinating on the poor white trash trump supporters both from a current situation and a historical dynamic perspective. Trump fits the historical role of the archetype of the elite in the appeal he has with this large subset of the population.
I found this perspective fascinating on the poor white trash trump supporters both from a current situation and a historical dynamic perspective. Trump fits the historical role of the archetype of the elite in the appeal he has with this large subset of the population.
Show me these facts and numbers that show giving someone something for nothing equals that person becoming civilized, productive, and successful.
Of course, the problem exists in other countries around the world. There are liberals in many different forms with the same failed ideology. Also many dictatorships exist in the world today. If every country followed republicanism, the problem would be nonexistent or minimal at the least.
Republicans clearly understand the problem. Getting democrats to accept the truth and subscribe to the solutions is the problem.
Oh look - the author put a nice pretty bow on socialism, communism, and marxism.
The reason poor white trash support Trump is because they know Trump gives them a chance to thrive and prosper through hard work and determination - a chance to climb up the ladder.
That’s what liberals just don’t understand. Liberals think success is achieved by forcing successful people to open doors - when in actuality - success comes to those who work hard until you achieve a resume that opens doors.
Show me these facts and numbers that show giving someone something for nothing equals that person becoming civilized, productive, and successful.
Of course, the problem exists in other countries around the world. There are liberals in many different forms with the same failed ideology. Also many dictatorships exist in the world today. If every country followed republicanism, the problem would be nonexistent or minimal at the least.
Republicans clearly understand the problem. Getting democrats to accept the truth and subscribe to the solutions is the problem.
Oh look - the author put a nice pretty bow on socialism, communism, and marxism.
The reason poor white trash support Trump is because they know Trump gives them a chance to thrive and prosper through hard work and determination - a chance to climb up the ladder.
That’s what liberals just don’t understand. Liberals think success is achieved by forcing successful people to open doors - when in actuality - success comes to those who work hard until you achieve a resume that opens doors.
BBC reported 12 hours ago that 500 fatalities in the last 9 months from gang land violence. Putting this year on pace as the deadliest in Chicago history... While Chicago sun running a story of hobo's gang on trial for 9 murders. If these types of numbers were attributed to whites serial killer labels would be passed around. Bit Mexican hangs like Spanish cobras guess its they are just misunderstood.
BBC reported 12 hours ago that 500 fatalities in the last 9 months from gang land violence. Putting this year on pace as the deadliest in Chicago history... While Chicago sun running a story of hobo's gang on trial for 9 murders. If these types of numbers were attributed to whites serial killer labels would be passed around. Bit Mexican hangs like Spanish cobras guess its they are just misunderstood.
It's gotten to a point that if wish to learn the 13top gang's in Chicago south side. Wikipedia offers in depth analyst of the names. Organizations hierarchy structure and maps of area under control by which war lord.
These assessments are the same contexts as nation of Iraq about the size of Wisconsin and which warring faction in secular violence is in control of what territory. So this concludes how widely available this information is understood. Hence it is Known. Thus known and present for over two decades it is then assessed that it is tolerated and allowed. With on context of whom has profited from this ongoing violence it concludes Hospitals at nearly 250,000 per transplant procedure. Prisons as the gangs rule prisons and simply take the fight inside.
Ongoing war in most major cities pushes security dialogue as most streets and business as well as traffic cams video the violence on a daily basis.
By impoverished citizens can then turn to social welfare systems the ones providing this are the ones allowing the violence it returns citizens to the re elect the ones responsible.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a definition of insanity.
It's gotten to a point that if wish to learn the 13top gang's in Chicago south side. Wikipedia offers in depth analyst of the names. Organizations hierarchy structure and maps of area under control by which war lord.
These assessments are the same contexts as nation of Iraq about the size of Wisconsin and which warring faction in secular violence is in control of what territory. So this concludes how widely available this information is understood. Hence it is Known. Thus known and present for over two decades it is then assessed that it is tolerated and allowed. With on context of whom has profited from this ongoing violence it concludes Hospitals at nearly 250,000 per transplant procedure. Prisons as the gangs rule prisons and simply take the fight inside.
Ongoing war in most major cities pushes security dialogue as most streets and business as well as traffic cams video the violence on a daily basis.
By impoverished citizens can then turn to social welfare systems the ones providing this are the ones allowing the violence it returns citizens to the re elect the ones responsible.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a definition of insanity.
DL Money just buried u with common sense. The mentality of left and right are polar opposites. Black used food stamps ip 58% under Obama. Is that a solution?
DL Money just buried u with common sense. The mentality of left and right are polar opposites. Black used food stamps ip 58% under Obama. Is that a solution?
Taking guns from law abiding citizens doesn't seem to be working in Chicago. Law abiding citizens are becoming victims due to police overwhelmed body count say it takes a sharp detectiveteam to solve a homicide with enough evidence to hold up in court. 50 teams just working homicide. But the layers of crime drug dealing robberies assaults rapes arson thefts all rest of the crimes police presence would be at a level of 500000 PD. But it is known the main gangs linked to 86% of all crime. And known it is allowed?... Well who profits Hospitals....
the funeral homes. caskets galore
its likely the CIA is pushing/giving cash to two or more gang leaders to kill each other. then the CIA kills the gangleaders one by one. this has been their playbook for decades with plenty of criminal organizations.
Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:
Taking guns from law abiding citizens doesn't seem to be working in Chicago. Law abiding citizens are becoming victims due to police overwhelmed body count say it takes a sharp detectiveteam to solve a homicide with enough evidence to hold up in court. 50 teams just working homicide. But the layers of crime drug dealing robberies assaults rapes arson thefts all rest of the crimes police presence would be at a level of 500000 PD. But it is known the main gangs linked to 86% of all crime. And known it is allowed?... Well who profits Hospitals....
the funeral homes. caskets galore
its likely the CIA is pushing/giving cash to two or more gang leaders to kill each other. then the CIA kills the gangleaders one by one. this has been their playbook for decades with plenty of criminal organizations.
Obama's fault 
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